Look. For all those telling Karl Robinson to "stick to the football" it is him that said he wanted to meet with fans to learn about the protests. The Trust are our biggest representative group. That is surely a logical coming together.
Don't let this just be another case if talking the talk. KR will earn the respect of many Charlton fans if he does what he says and understands clearly the reasons for the protests. If he then decides, ok I'm not convinced and we are all making a lot of fuss about not very much, so be it. At least it will be an informed opinion.
Davo55 I have the utmost respect for you And what you have done over the last few weeks. But. If Robinson gets involved in the fucked up politics that is Charlton he cannot win.
If he says the protesters have got a point and that Roland and squirrel are crap he gets the sack.
If he says Roland and squirrel are doing a good job he loses support from the fans.
He can't win, That is why I say concentrate on the football and leave the protests to us the fans
Look. For all those telling Karl Robinson to "stick to the football" it is him that said he wanted to meet with fans to learn about the protests. The Trust are our biggest representative group. That is surely a logical coming together.
Don't let this just be another case if talking the talk. KR will earn the respect of many Charlton fans if he does what he says and understands clearly the reasons for the protests. If he then decides, ok I'm not convinced and we are all making a lot of fuss about not very much, so be it. At least it will be an informed opinion.
I am happy for the Trust to offer to meet with KR and happy that they would represent protesting fans well. I am however uncomfortable with the offer being made in public. I would have preferred that it be made behind the scenes and made public after the event. This is what people criticised Meire for when she tried to claim that she wanted to meet with CARD. Just saying.
As for KR and the 'good or bad' question I see no problem with that. This is clearly the line that RD, KM Mrs Perks et al would have been peddling to him and I could see anyone making a similar comment in his situation.
Look. For all those telling Karl Robinson to "stick to the football" it is him that said he wanted to meet with fans to learn about the protests. The Trust are our biggest representative group. That is surely a logical coming together.
Don't let this just be another case if talking the talk. KR will earn the respect of many Charlton fans if he does what he says and understands clearly the reasons for the protests. If he then decides, ok I'm not convinced and we are all making a lot of fuss about not very much, so be it. At least it will be an informed opinion.
Davo55 I have the utmost respect for you And what you have done over the last few weeks. But. If Robinson gets involved in the fucked up politics that is Charlton he cannot win.
If he says the protesters have got a point and that Roland and squirrel are crap he gets the sack.
If he says Roland and squirrel are doing a good job he loses support from the fans.
He can't win, That is why I say concentrate on the football and leave the protests to us the fans
That is a very fair analysis. If KR had not made the offer I would not have blamed him. But he did and I think it would look bad if he didn't now follow through. But I wouldn't ever expect or advise him to then pronounce his views either way, fir the reasons you say. It's important that neither side treats this as an opportunity for PR.
Look. For all those telling Karl Robinson to "stick to the football" it is him that said he wanted to meet with fans to learn about the protests. The Trust are our biggest representative group. That is surely a logical coming together.
Don't let this just be another case if talking the talk. KR will earn the respect of many Charlton fans if he does what he says and understands clearly the reasons for the protests. If he then decides, ok I'm not convinced and we are all making a lot of fuss about not very much, so be it. At least it will be an informed opinion.
Davo55 I have the utmost respect for you And what you have done over the last few weeks. But. If Robinson gets involved in the fucked up politics that is Charlton he cannot win.
If he says the protesters have got a point and that Roland and squirrel are crap he gets the sack.
If he says Roland and squirrel are doing a good job he loses support from the fans.
He can't win, That is why I say concentrate on the football and leave the protests to us the fans
That is a very fair analysis. If KR had not made the offer I would not have blamed him. But he did and I think it would look bad if he didn't now follow through. But I wouldn't ever expect or advise him to then pronounce his views either way, fir the reasons you say. It's important that neither side treats this as an opportunity for PR.
I find it somewhat peculiar that many Charlton fans expect Karl Robinson to have a detailed knowledge of why Charlton fans are protesting. I'm quite certain he knows more than he is letting on, but it's almost as if people expect Robinson to have been following CL for nearly 3 years.
Let's face it there's a substantial amount of Charlton fans that can't understand why we're protesting.
Adiitionally, it's also peculiar to me that some people can't understand why an unemployed family man, with a young son, wants to take a job for which he is eminently qualified.
He's been promised a fair say in the transfers and no doubt been promised he can improve the squad next month.
If he gets sacked and paid off within 12 months, so what ?
What's the average time in role for a L1 manager ? I'd be surprised if it's even 2 years in any case.
I really hope The Trust arrange a meeting with KR, so that he is fully briefed and I still wish KR the best of British.
He has my full backing at the present time.
Football is a pretty closed shop. He knows what's been going on. If Martin Allen, a manager with no connection to us and who manages in a different division can say on national TV that we are a basket case of a club and why would anyone want to manage us, then Robinson will know full well.
We've been all over the media in the past year. Robinson probably has TalkSport on loop so he will know full well. Remember this isn't just a 'message board thing.'
I'd love him to do well; just without pretending to be ignorant of the issues when the opposite is probably true.
Was in a petrol station last night in lee and Karl Robinson drove in, didn't want to bother him but though id go and say hello and shake his hand. I said to him I just wanted to say hello as I'm a big Charlton fan, he then asked if I was one of the good ones or bad ones in a jokey way. I told him that I do help out with the protests and he responded by saying that he really wants to meet us and understand why we are protesting because from what he has been told by the owners they are doing a good job. He kept stressing that he wanted to meet the people protesting.
I couldn't really get a word in edgeways with him, but he talked about Chris O'Laughlin and stressed that it was his choice to keep him here (felt that was odd for him to bring up as I hadn't) He then said "you know he's not going to sell the club"
I asked him if he had seen the emails, he said he hadn't.
He then said that Roland admitted to him that when he bought the club he did not understand English football. (don't know what's changed because he has seen at most 2 matches live since?)
He also stated that he was very ambitious and wants to get into the premier league and he feels that he is now at a club that can achieve that. He said that Roland has the funds to back us in the premier league.
Came across as a really genuine guy, don't doubt that he believes what he's saying, but obviously does not know all the lies we have been told for the past 3 years and what has driven us to this point. From meeting him I doubt that he would take any crap from the owners, but who knows {...}
Was in a petrol station last night in lee and Karl Robinson drove in, didn't want to bother him but though id go and say hello and shake his hand. I said to him I just wanted to say hello as I'm a big Charlton fan, he then asked if I was one of the good ones or bad ones in a jokey way. I told him that I do help out with the protests and he responded by saying that he really wants to meet us and understand why we are protesting because from what he has been told by the owners they are doing a good job. He kept stressing that he wanted to meet the people protesting.
I couldn't really get a word in edgeways with him, but he talked about Chris O'Laughlin and stressed that it was his choice to keep him here (felt that was odd for him to bring up as I hadn't) He then said "you know he's not going to sell the club"
I asked him if he had seen the emails, he said he hadn't.
He then said that Roland admitted to him that when he bought the club he did not understand English football. (don't know what's changed because he has seen at most 2 matches live since?)
He also stated that he was very ambitious and wants to get into the premier league and he feels that he is now at a club that can achieve that. He said that Roland has the funds to back us in the premier league.
Came across as a really genuine guy, don't doubt that he believes what he's saying, but obviously does not know all the lies we have been told for the past 3 years and what has driven us to this point. From meeting him I doubt that he would take any crap from the owners, but who knows {...}
Look. For all those telling Karl Robinson to "stick to the football" it is him that said he wanted to meet with fans to learn about the protests. The Trust are our biggest representative group. That is surely a logical coming together.
Don't let this just be another case if talking the talk. KR will earn the respect of many Charlton fans if he does what he says and understands clearly the reasons for the protests. If he then decides, ok I'm not convinced and we are all making a lot of fuss about not very much, so be it. At least it will be an informed opinion.
Davo55 I have the utmost respect for you And what you have done over the last few weeks. But. If Robinson gets involved in the fucked up politics that is Charlton he cannot win.
If he says the protesters have got a point and that Roland and squirrel are crap he gets the sack.
If he says Roland and squirrel are doing a good job he loses support from the fans.
He can't win, That is why I say concentrate on the football and leave the protests to us the fans
I think this is 100% right. He is best staying neutral for his own benefit. Over time he will get to understand more anyway.
Karl Robinson is a Scallywag, It could be 8th time lucky. could be interesting if he meets some of our revolting fans. We need passion back at our club. not just at the protests. Still seems long odds for any success to come to CAFC while 4-4-2 Roland is in charge.
Deary me the hysterical overreaction at ever minor thing really doesn't help our cause.
Yeah, but where do you think the 'are you one of the bad ones' comes from? That's why I'm so pissed off about this. I can picture KM explaining to him that we've got a bit of a problem with some very difficult and irrational supporters who don't understand what we're trying to achieve here. Take that bit out and it's fine, but the fact that it was the first thing he said shows that they've already got to him.
Beyond Daisy's revelation that they want to give us a unique football experience, where we can all see the stars of the future play for Charlton before being sold on to the premiership, this regime has never been able to express a vision for the football club. As such, I was left slightly bemused when I read the article in Tuesday's Evening Standard. The sentence that stood out for me is as follows:
"Robinson took the Charlton job last week after meeting Duchatelet in Paris and says he was sold by his vision for the club during their three-and-a-half hour meeting".
Sorry, but this just reeks of BS to me and when considered alongside some of KR's other utterences, it seems his focus is on PR as much as football.
Perhaps Pitch will offer him employment when CO'L gets his job
It might well be bollocks but what is he supposed to say? He's not going to say, "i'm out of work and desperate for a job"!
If you listened to Louis' charlton live show yesterday, they had an interview with Robinson and he came across very well, plus an interview with one of the guys who met with him the other night at the ground who was impressed with him.
I strongly believe that KR is the regime's best appointment by far.
In fairness to Robinson, however, you're not really setting the bar too high....
The purpose of CAST meeting Robinson in my view would be to ensure that he has enough information not to be used or inadvertently get caught in the middle of the conflict. The only contribution he has to make is to win football matches. It may be helpful if he understands at first hand that the protestors share that objective, especially as he will have been told a load of nonsense about them by the regime, whether he truly believes it or not, but I agree it is wildly unrealistic to ask or expect anything more from him.
Beyond Daisy's revelation that they want to give us a unique football experience, where we can all see the stars of the future play for Charlton before being sold on to the premiership, this regime has never been able to express a vision for the football club. As such, I was left slightly bemused when I read the article in Tuesday's Evening Standard. The sentence that stood out for me is as follows:
"Robinson took the Charlton job last week after meeting Duchatelet in Paris and says he was sold by his vision for the club during their three-and-a-half hour meeting".
Sorry, but this just reeks of BS to me and when considered alongside some of KR's other utterences, it seems his focus is on PR as much as football.
Perhaps Pitch will offer him employment when CO'L gets his job
It might well be bollocks but what is he supposed to say? He's not going to say, "i'm out of work and desperate for a job"!
If you listened to Louis' charlton live show yesterday, they had an interview with Robinson and he came across very well, plus an interview with one of the guys who met with him the other night at the ground who was impressed with him.
I strongly believe that KR is the regime's best appointment by far.
In fairness to Robinson, however, you're not really setting the bar too high....
Like saying the bloke with the guitar was the most talented member of EMF.
Robinson's job is to manage the football team with the aim of winning as many points and games as possible so that we can get re-promoted a s a p .. he's not been appointed to be a go-between, a buffer twixt fans and owners .. Just get on with your job Robinson, I cannot imagine what benefit meeting with the protesting fans will bring. The protests are supposedly aimed at the owner and CEO and not at the team or is it the aim of 'the protesters' to select the team as well as to drive out Duchatelet and Meire ?
Maybe he's being pushed by the liar to meet with the fans & talk of how impressed he is blah blah blah & of how the douchebag admits he didn't know about english football & he knows he has made mistakes but everything is ok now. Oh & if anybody wants to suggest that I wait & see & maybe the belgians have seen the light can I suggest that you look at the other clubs he owns & the stagnation that is going on there. Yes they have nice hotels & restaurants etc, now who gets the benefits from that I wonder & how is the football side going ?
Beyond Daisy's revelation that they want to give us a unique football experience, where we can all see the stars of the future play for Charlton before being sold on to the premiership, this regime has never been able to express a vision for the football club. As such, I was left slightly bemused when I read the article in Tuesday's Evening Standard. The sentence that stood out for me is as follows:
"Robinson took the Charlton job last week after meeting Duchatelet in Paris and says he was sold by his vision for the club during their three-and-a-half hour meeting".
Sorry, but this just reeks of BS to me and when considered alongside some of KR's other utterences, it seems his focus is on PR as much as football.
Perhaps Pitch will offer him employment when CO'L gets his job
It might well be bollocks but what is he supposed to say? He's not going to say, "i'm out of work and desperate for a job"!
If you listened to Louis' charlton live show yesterday, they had an interview with Robinson and he came across very well, plus an interview with one of the guys who met with him the other night at the ground who was impressed with him.
I strongly believe that KR is the regime's best appointment by far.
In fairness to Robinson, however, you're not really setting the bar too high....
Like saying the bloke with the guitar was the most talented member of EMF.
I'm not inclined to get worked up about the good and bad fans issue. Assuming that he's been fed the bad fans line by RD & KM, this suggests he reckons there's 2 sides to the story and that he wants to hear the other side from the horse's mouth as it were. It would be significant if he sought a private meeting with CAST/CARD reps himself. What he could do to bring about any change would be the issue, but it he feels he could be a sort of mediator would that be such a bad thing?
Deary me the hysterical overreaction at ever minor thing really doesn't help our cause.
Yeah, but where do you think the 'are you one of the bad ones' comes from? That's why I'm so pissed off about this. I can picture KM explaining to him that we've got a bit of a problem with some very difficult and irrational supporters who don't understand what we're trying to achieve here. Take that bit out and it's fine, but the fact that it was the first thing he said shows that they've already got to him.
The bloke isnt silly. He will know the score at the club and hardly going to mug off the owners (not that anyone else needs to because they do a stirling job themselves).
He is probably gambling on it coming together and if it does he's turned around a crisis club and if not then he has failed at a crisis club which won't damage the cv too much as everyone knows we're a basket case.
He came across well in his interview and seems genuine in his enthusiasm and must give him the benefit of the doubt. I think his retention of CO'L is alarming as there is no rational basis for him to do so other than being told to which would suggest he is happy to do what is told. Alternatively it may mean he is smart and just humours the regime until he gets his feet under the table and hopefully pushes us on football wise.
Making out every single bit of gossip/ comment/ hearsay like an alleged joke at a fantasy petrol station as the end of the world just dilutes the real material stuff and weakens our position and gives ammo to those who think we moan at everything.
Gotta give the manager and players the benefit as abhorrent as their paymaster and divvy SMT are.
I'm a bit sceptical over if a conversation in a petrol station took place or not. But for the sake of augment, is this not the man who described our club to our pitch side announcer as a "basket case of a club" just a short time ago? I don't blame Robinson taking on the job, he was unemployed and Charlton is a club with potential to be higher in the football world. So too big of an offer to turn down. He would have to had spent the last 3 years on Mars not to have known the goings on at Charlton. If and it's a big if, he can point to one thing Katy and Co have done well, I would love to hear it. Instead spouting nonsense and of meeting fans anytime soon he should consider he is a week into his contract and needs to get a wriggle on if he is to see out the season.
Was in a petrol station last night in lee and Karl Robinson drove in, didn't want to bother him but though id go and say hello and shake his hand. I said to him I just wanted to say hello as I'm a big Charlton fan, he then asked if I was one of the good ones or bad ones in a jokey way. I told him that I do help out with the protests and he responded by saying that he really wants to meet us and understand why we are protesting because from what he has been told by the owners they are doing a good job. He kept stressing that he wanted to meet the people protesting.
I couldn't really get a word in edgeways with him, but he talked about Chris O'Laughlin and stressed that it was his choice to keep him here (felt that was odd for him to bring up as I hadn't) He then said "you know he's not going to sell the club"
I asked him if he had seen the emails, he said he hadn't.
He then said that Roland admitted to him that when he bought the club he did not understand English football. (don't know what's changed because he has seen at most 2 matches live since?)
He also stated that he was very ambitious and wants to get into the premier league and he feels that he is now at a club that can achieve that. He said that Roland has the funds to back us in the premier league.
Came across as a really genuine guy, don't doubt that he believes what he's saying, but obviously does not know all the lies we have been told for the past 3 years and what has driven us to this point. From meeting him I doubt that he would take any crap from the owners, but who knows {...}
It's weird - he's like the new chef at a really, really badly run restaurant which has been serving terrible food - unfit for human consumption - for the last 3 years & has lost most of its customers. He cant understand why the customers are upset & staying away because the owner - who never eats there - tells him that everything is great - he'll soon discover he'll be cooking with the same ingredients.
That is a great analogy. This sums up the situation at the Valley perfectly.
Quite a poor analogy actually!
You can get a chef from a greasy spoon and give him the same ingredients as Marco Pierre White and you're definitely not going to have the same end result!
Karel Fraye (Greasy spoon) - Karl Robinson (MPW) hopefully!
Creme du Barry cream of cauliflower soup, baby leeks, truffle oil. Macaroni of wild mushrooms, Cep voulate sauce with poached egg on top. Cambridge burnt cream with wild raspberries.
KR asked publicly to meet fans and understand so the Trust responded. A personal letter was delivered to KR at the training ground a day ahead of it being reproduced on Trust website.
Personally, I will still be massively shocked and surprised if he responds positively as I do think he is being positioned as part of the club's PR spin.
At least it sounds like he had the opportunity in the interview process to spend more time one to one with our Dear Leader than Powell was ever afforded.
By his own admission, Powell was totally used by Slater / Jimenez to manage the relationship with fans. Maybe the current lot have finally learnt a lesson and expect Robinson to fulfil that role?
Didn't he tell @BDL that the club was a basket case? I'm sure people blank out what they don't want to hear.
I believe that BDL tweeted that, so yes.
This another reason I don't believe his sudden U-turn and that he's unaware of the situation here, if he felt qualified to make that remark on a previous occasion then he clearly does have some prior knowledge.
For him to currently claim ignorance is wise, but to claim curiosity is peculiar. Ignorance about your bosses wrongdoing is always a good move, but to say you want to seek out opinions and information on your bosses wrongdoing? Not sure what the end game is there.
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I have the utmost respect for you And what you have done over the last few weeks.
But.
If Robinson gets involved in the fucked up politics that is Charlton he cannot win.
If he says the protesters have got a point and that Roland and squirrel are crap he gets the sack.
If he says Roland and squirrel are doing a good job he loses support from the fans.
He can't win, That is why I say concentrate on the football and leave the protests to us the fans
As for KR and the 'good or bad' question I see no problem with that. This is clearly the line that RD, KM Mrs Perks et al would have been peddling to him and I could see anyone making a similar comment in his situation.
#highqualityresearch
We've been all over the media in the past year. Robinson probably has TalkSport on loop so he will know full well. Remember this isn't just a 'message board thing.'
I'd love him to do well; just without pretending to be ignorant of the issues when the opposite is probably true.
It could be 8th time lucky.
could be interesting if he meets some of our revolting fans.
We need passion back at our club.
not just at the protests.
Still seems long odds for any success to come to CAFC while
4-4-2 Roland is in charge.
Oh & if anybody wants to suggest that I wait & see & maybe the belgians have seen the light can I suggest that you look at the other clubs he owns & the stagnation that is going on there. Yes they have nice hotels & restaurants etc, now who gets the benefits from that I wonder & how is the football side going ?
Now that is unbelievable.
He is probably gambling on it coming together and if it does he's turned around a crisis club and if not then he has failed at a crisis club which won't damage the cv too much as everyone knows we're a basket case.
He came across well in his interview and seems genuine in his enthusiasm and must give him the benefit of the doubt. I think his retention of CO'L is alarming as there is no rational basis for him to do so other than being told to which would suggest he is happy to do what is told. Alternatively it may mean he is smart and just humours the regime until he gets his feet under the table and hopefully pushes us on football wise.
Making out every single bit of gossip/ comment/ hearsay like an alleged joke at a fantasy petrol station as the end of the world just dilutes the real material stuff and weakens our position and gives ammo to those who think we moan at everything.
Gotta give the manager and players the benefit as abhorrent as their paymaster and divvy SMT are.
But for the sake of augment, is this not the man who described our club to our pitch side announcer as a "basket case of a club" just a short time ago?
I don't blame Robinson taking on the job, he was unemployed and Charlton is a club with potential to be higher in the football world. So too big of an offer to turn down.
He would have to had spent the last 3 years on Mars not to have known the goings on at Charlton. If and it's a big if, he can point to one thing Katy and Co have done well, I would love to hear it.
Instead spouting nonsense and of meeting fans anytime soon he should consider he is a week into his contract and needs to get a wriggle on if he is to see out the season.
It's the bat shit crazy one flew over the cuckoos nest methods for making them a reality that is the issue.
Or
Creme du Barry cream of cauliflower soup, baby leeks, truffle oil.
Macaroni of wild mushrooms, Cep voulate sauce with poached egg on top.
Cambridge burnt cream with wild raspberries.
Bring back Karel........
Personally, I will still be massively shocked and surprised if he responds positively as I do think he is being positioned as part of the club's PR spin.
At least it sounds like he had the opportunity in the interview process to spend more time one to one with our Dear Leader than Powell was ever afforded.
By his own admission, Powell was totally used by Slater / Jimenez to manage the relationship with fans. Maybe the current lot have finally learnt a lesson and expect Robinson to fulfil that role?
This another reason I don't believe his sudden U-turn and that he's unaware of the situation here, if he felt qualified to make that remark on a previous occasion then he clearly does have some prior knowledge.
For him to currently claim ignorance is wise, but to claim curiosity is peculiar. Ignorance about your bosses wrongdoing is always a good move, but to say you want to seek out opinions and information on your bosses wrongdoing? Not sure what the end game is there.