I'd encourage all supporter groups if offered the opportunity to allow them to lie again then do it ans communicate it back to the wider audience of supporters
I do believe in continued dialogue, at worst it schieves nothing, at best it schieves a lot. That said this is a divide and rule exercise. If the club were truly interested in dialogue they would pull in the Trust, nominees from each supporters branch and would offer an invite to CARD, which I would hope they would accept.
If this was serious it would be a representative body of all geographic locations.
I'd encourage all supporter groups if offered the opportunity to allow them to lie again then do it ans communicate it back to the wider audience of supporters
Then we beg to differ fragmentation is what the regime wants, one voice is all we need. and that should be led by the Trust IMO.
I do believe in continued dialogue, at worst it schieves nothing, at best it schieves a lot. That said this is a divide and rule exercise. If the club were truly interested in dialogue they would pull in the Trust, nominees from each supporters branch and would offer an invite to CARD, which I would hope they would accept.
If this was serious it would be a representative body of all geographic locations.
But this is basically what the Fans' Forum is, Kap.
As long as the questions are reflective of questions fans want answers to and everything is published, I can't see the harm. Nobody can say my group are the only ones who can do or can't do this, whether that be CARD, CAST or the fan's forum! In fact if this is the first part of asking as many fans as possible, I welcome it. Only if that means asking fans who might say things you don't want to hear of course. If it is sanitised or kept quiet it is meaningless and should rightly be derided. I do suspect it isn't!
I do believe in continued dialogue, at worst it schieves nothing, at best it schieves a lot. That said this is a divide and rule exercise. If the club were truly interested in dialogue they would pull in the Trust, nominees from each supporters branch and would offer an invite to CARD, which I would hope they would accept.
If this was serious it would be a representative body of all geographic locations.
But this is basically what the Fans' Forum is, Kap.
It is some kind of effort, so who knows it might do some kind of good, better that something like this happens than doesn't happen for sure.
Whether some good comes of it might depend on the content of the meeting, and subsequent action.
I found this bit intriguing:
The intention is for those in attendance to address their questions to the Club in a respectful way to enable a free and valuable exchange of views./b>
I am all for the respectful way bit, I can see that there is no value in a slanging match, I hope the chair of the meeting doesn't also extend 'respectful' to mean silly restrictions like they won't countenance anybody wearing protest regalia for example.
There is a bit of ambiguity between 'questions to the club' and 'free and valuable exchange of views'. Those smart enough will know how to couch a question to elicit information. For example a good question might be:
'you say you have made mistakes in running the club up until now, with the same people in charge whats to say mistakes won't continue to be made'?
A poor question might be:
'do you regret your mistakes'?
However 'exchange' of views is the juicy bit. Will representatives of the club give a 'view' like 'we're fed up with supporters moaning about the way we do tickets...just saying, but fans ought to stop complaining and get with the programme'. Will supporters say 'we are heartbroken that you have destroyed the club to the extent that season ticket holders for decades are not buying one any more, and you seem to care not one jot'.
I do believe in continued dialogue, at worst it schieves nothing, at best it schieves a lot. That said this is a divide and rule exercise. If the club were truly interested in dialogue they would pull in the Trust, nominees from each supporters branch and would offer an invite to CARD, which I would hope they would accept.
If this was serious it would be a representative body of all geographic locations.
But this is basically what the Fans' Forum is, Kap.
They're just trying to re invent the wheel ....
....and making an extremely poor job of it.
thanks Jean who nominates who sits on the ff
Edit ff = fans forum not fanny fannackapan
Historically, all existing SGs that held meetings for members & an annual AGM were invited to form the FF.
Since then, additional groups have been invited to join, including CAST.
I'll dig out the original bits & bobs to clarify the situation as my memory ain't wot it usta be although Airman will have the information to hand , I'm sure .
I now live in East Kent if I join now can I go ? Might be a very short meeting tho
The High Court has ordained that despite you paying £25 as long ago as January, you cannot participate in current initiatives like voting. I'm sure 'meet Meire' falls into same category.
And the supporter group has an obligation to share.
East Kent never share info from their meetings, they are notoriously secretive.
This is clearly bollocks as I've, personally, written up meetings in the past on my blog. I also put a link to it on here.
For the record I also did this after I discussed it with the Chairman of the EKA, and he was more than happy to share.
Feel free to slag us off but do yourself a favour and make sure you are not talking complete bollocks!
This is true, after being slated by one of your members when I asked for details of one of your previous meetings, as I live miles away, you did indeed put up some information and for this I was surprised and pleased
It's quite amazing that all the senior staff at the club aren't otherwise occupied at 1pm on a matchday - and that is based on some personal insight into the operation of the club. However in view of the fact these people don't seem to be needed elsewhere perhaps we could dispense with them altogether
I seem to remember all of the "Old SMT" being very busy at 1.00 pm on a Saturday!!! Times have changed it would seem
If anyone cares for my view I'm inclined to believe that one of the reasons the EKA have been invited in is because when KM came to our meeting she wasn't given a hard time.
John Commerford is a very charming chap and more than a little respectful. Just in case anyone thinks this the time to call for a lynching, this was before KM was thought to be the problem.
If any one is interested they can read about this meeting here:
I also believe that other groups will be called in later, assuming this one isn't a disaster for the SMT.
Either way I think this is a good thing. The Fans Forum is, for lack of a better expression, a closed shop, and the minutes are not published for weeks after the meetings.
What these meetings do, like those at Bromley, which I've also attended, is allow different groups (and individuals) to hear first hand what those running our club have to say. The fact that, at the moment, there is so much animosity between the club and the fans is irrelevant to the concept that meeting different groups is a good idea, in my view.
I'm not looking to put down the Fans Forum but, personally, I'd prefer the opportunity to meet and ask questions of the club (and the players - who also come along) than to read about it after the event.
They do charge for some of their meetings though such as their dinners which is fine, just a different way of doing things.
But as it is free anyone interested in joining EKA can no doubt do so on the email in the OP and then attend the KM meeting.
To be fair, though, at the dinners (although I've never been) I think you do get something to eat. From memory the cost it less than a pub meal but I wouldn't swear to that as I've not been.
I think that dialogue is another step in the right direction . What is said at the meeting is another matter but you cannot turn down a meeting with KM when lack of communication is one of our gripes.
Fuck her, give her hell, no turning back. Remember, 3 games in league one and cup, 2 losses and a draw, REMEBER THAT'S HOW FAR WEVE COME UNDER THIS BELGIAN LEADERSHIP
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You don't have to listen to that communication or accept it but you must always allow it
I'd encourage all supporter groups if offered the opportunity to allow them to lie again then do it ans communicate it back to the wider audience of supporters
If this was serious it would be a representative body of all geographic locations.
They're just trying to re invent the wheel ....
....and making an extremely poor job of it.
Edit ff = fans forum not fanny fannackapan
For the record I also did this after I discussed it with the Chairman of the EKA, and he was more than happy to share.
Feel free to slag us off but do yourself a favour and make sure you are not talking complete rubbish!
Whether some good comes of it might depend on the content of the meeting, and subsequent action.
I found this bit intriguing:
The intention is for those in attendance to address their questions to the Club in a respectful way to enable a free and valuable exchange of views./b>
I am all for the respectful way bit, I can see that there is no value in a slanging match, I hope the chair of the meeting doesn't also extend 'respectful' to mean silly restrictions like they won't countenance anybody wearing protest regalia for example.
There is a bit of ambiguity between 'questions to the club' and 'free and valuable exchange of views'. Those smart enough will know how to couch a question to elicit information. For example a good question might be:
'you say you have made mistakes in running the club up until now, with the same people in charge whats to say mistakes won't continue to be made'?
A poor question might be:
'do you regret your mistakes'?
However 'exchange' of views is the juicy bit. Will representatives of the club give a 'view' like 'we're fed up with supporters moaning about the way we do tickets...just saying, but fans ought to stop complaining and get with the programme'.
Will supporters say 'we are heartbroken that you have destroyed the club to the extent that season ticket holders for decades are not buying one any more, and you seem to care not one jot'.
Will it all be recorded?
Since then, additional groups have been invited to join, including CAST.
I'll dig out the original bits & bobs to clarify the situation as my memory ain't wot it usta be although Airman will have the information to hand , I'm sure .
John Commerford is a very charming chap and more than a little respectful. Just in case anyone thinks this the time to call for a lynching, this was before KM was thought to be the problem.
If any one is interested they can read about this meeting here:
http://kingshilladdick.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/katrien-mieres-visit-east-kent-addicks.html?m=1
I also believe that other groups will be called in later, assuming this one isn't a disaster for the SMT.
Either way I think this is a good thing. The Fans Forum is, for lack of a better expression, a closed shop, and the minutes are not published for weeks after the meetings.
What these meetings do, like those at Bromley, which I've also attended, is allow different groups (and individuals) to hear first hand what those running our club have to say. The fact that, at the moment, there is so much animosity between the club and the fans is irrelevant to the concept that meeting different groups is a good idea, in my view.
I'm not looking to put down the Fans Forum but, personally, I'd prefer the opportunity to meet and ask questions of the club (and the players - who also come along) than to read about it after the event.
: - )
Just saying!
But as it is free anyone interested in joining EKA can no doubt do so on the email in the OP and then attend the KM meeting.
People who tell whoppers like squirrel face are not worth a s***, let alone going to one of these pointless meetings.
That'll take the smirk off squirrel face when you walk through the door!
They do seem to sell out very quickly though.
What is said at the meeting is another matter but you cannot turn down a meeting with KM when lack of communication is one of our gripes.