There's some delusional people on this thread, blimey.
Regime said they hire a British manager and all will be well, they did and then all is forgiven? Forget the lies, the backstabbing, the terrible appointments, the getting rid of Powell, kermie, Poyet etc, the changing of disablitity procedures, the forcing out of long term staff, childish antics, the awful house music, the stupid sofa and the assassination of Floyd and Harvey (I think the robin with sword done it).
Never mind let's all link hands and live in peace whilst CAFC continues to farm and catwalk players at the expense of any club success or ambition, at least we get to see them play huh?!
look, we all want them out but its how isn't it? if varney could hurry up and 'officially' discredit meire as a liar, it would help wouldn't it? when can we expect some action from him on this? anybody know?
agreed - so why does richard murray get so much stick on here? If we dismiss the blocking varney stuff thenwhy does everybody think he should have resigned is position rather than trying to influence from within?? Can it not just be that he is telling the truth?
agreed - so why does richard murray get so much stick on here? If we dismiss the blocking varney stuff thenwhy does everybody think he should have resigned is position rather than trying to influence from within?? Can it not just be that he is telling the truth?
My exchange with Murray before the Forest game.
"These people have undone everything you have done here"
Murray came back with "YES I KNOW, but unless you have 50 million pounds".
agreed - so why does richard murray get so much stick on here? If we dismiss the blocking varney stuff thenwhy does everybody think he should have resigned is position rather than trying to influence from within?? Can it not just be that he is telling the truth?
agreed - so why does richard murray get so much stick on here? If we dismiss the blocking varney stuff thenwhy does everybody think he should have resigned is position rather than trying to influence from within?? Can it not just be that he is telling the truth?
My exchange with Murray before the Forest game.
"These people have undone everything you have done here"
Murray came back with "YES I KNOW, but unless you have 50 million pounds".
I had opportunity to have a brief chat about this apparent change of direction with a senior person at the club this week. The message was essentially why would they hire an expensive (relative to his predecessors) British manager and not change the underlying behaviour as well.
I'm very cautious about that, and for me the question is less about what they do this season and what they're prepared to do if they get us back into the Championship. After all, if this is just a means to get back to the status quo of previous seasons, what's the point?
That may be unfair, but they've hardly engendered confidence in the past and the key players remain the same. Leopards, spots, and all that.
I'd rather a complete new broom starting with the owner and working its way down.
I had opportunity to have a brief chat about this apparent change of direction with a senior person at the club this week. The message was essentially why would they hire an expensive (relative to his predecessors) British manager and not change the underlying behaviour as well.
I'm very cautious about that, and for me the question is less about what they do this season and what they're prepared to do if they get us back into the Championship. After all, if this is just a means to get back to the status quo of previous seasons, what's the point?
That may be unfair, but they've hardly engendered confidence in the past and the key players remain the same. Leopards, spots, and all that.
I'd rather a complete new broom starting with the owner and working its way down.
There are no senior people at the club that don't lie.
I had opportunity to have a brief chat about this apparent change of direction with a senior person at the club this week. The message was essentially why would they hire an expensive (relative to his predecessors) British manager and not change the underlying behaviour as well.
I'm very cautious about that, and for me the question is less about what they do this season and what they're prepared to do if they get us back into the Championship. After all, if this is just a means to get back to the status quo of previous seasons, what's the point?
That may be unfair, but they've hardly engendered confidence in the past and the key players remain the same. Leopards, spots, and all that.
I'd rather a complete new broom starting with the owner and working its way down.
Maybe the key phrase is 'expensive (relative to his predecessors) British manager'. They can ask him to toe the line, can block and mess up getting the players he would want, they could deny him any kind of budget, they could impose on him players he has never even heard of...and if he won't comply he will be a bit more costly to sack that's about it. However what they pay out in sacking him they would have saved in not buying the players he would have spent money on, and there is always one player we could sell to offset Russell's pay off. There is no imperative to change underlying behaviour just because of appointing Slade. Of course they might, then again they might not, the proof of the pudding and all that, but to suggest that once Slade is appointed it's job done is clearly wrong unless they believe that he can work magic under their system. So what underlying behaviour might change? When will we see credible evidence of it? Those are the questions that concern me. Slade's initial press conference bunged out the same usual message. Especially the stuff about the academy players which Roland and Katrien bang on about, and players not going on the cheap which we have heard before from Murray. If getting the players fit, and expecting them to play as a team with desire is the extent of the underlying change then it will of course be a good thing, but if it stops there it will be, to coin a phrase, thin gruel. It is not underlying behaviour I want to see change, but the overarching authority of this regime.
I had opportunity to have a brief chat about this apparent change of direction with a senior person at the club this week. The message was essentially why would they hire an expensive (relative to his predecessors) British manager and not change the underlying behaviour as well.
I'm very cautious about that, and for me the question is less about what they do this season and what they're prepared to do if they get us back into the Championship. After all, if this is just a means to get back to the status quo of previous seasons, what's the point?
That may be unfair, but they've hardly engendered confidence in the past and the key players remain the same. Leopards, spots, and all that.
I'd rather a complete new broom starting with the owner and working its way down.
They may very well have better intentions, but the reality is that Meire is still out of her depth, Duchatelet is still a serial interferer and on the business side the senior management team still isn't up to the job, individually and collectively. Sooner or later they will revert to type, became they can do nothing else.
I had opportunity to have a brief chat about this apparent change of direction with a senior person at the club this week. The message was essentially why would they hire an expensive (relative to his predecessors) British manager and not change the underlying behaviour as well.
I'm very cautious about that, and for me the question is less about what they do this season and what they're prepared to do if they get us back into the Championship. After all, if this is just a means to get back to the status quo of previous seasons, what's the point?
That may be unfair, but they've hardly engendered confidence in the past and the key players remain the same. Leopards, spots, and all that.
I'd rather a complete new broom starting with the owner and working its way down.
They may very well have better intentions, but the reality is that Meire is still out of her depth, Duchatelet is still a serial interferer and on the business side the senior management team still isn't up to the job, individually and collectively. Sooner or later they will revert to type, became they can do nothing else.
For me the only respite they will get is the fans giving Slade a chance next season. For me, however much I want them gone, I'll be abstaining from joining in any anti regime chants during matches for the first 10 games. I don't do this lightly. I just think it's unfair for Slade and whoever makes yp that team at the start of next season to be subjected to our fight in removing them. Not to say I think it's fair we have them as owners, and I still advocate pre/post match protests, just not during the game.
I still go into this season as the first season in my 30 years supporting them with absolute zero excitement. In all my years I've always had that fresh optimism on the opening day. That's definitely not the case this time round
I had opportunity to have a brief chat about this apparent change of direction with a senior person at the club this week. The message was essentially why would they hire an expensive (relative to his predecessors) British manager and not change the underlying behaviour as well.
I'm very cautious about that, and for me the question is less about what they do this season and what they're prepared to do if they get us back into the Championship. After all, if this is just a means to get back to the status quo of previous seasons, what's the point?
That may be unfair, but they've hardly engendered confidence in the past and the key players remain the same. Leopards, spots, and all that.
I'd rather a complete new broom starting with the owner and working its way down.
They may very well have better intentions, but the reality is that Meire is still out of her depth, Duchatelet is still a serial interferer and on the business side the senior management team still isn't up to the job, individually and collectively. Sooner or later they will revert to type, became they can do nothing else.
Maybe "I'm very cautious about that" was unnecessarily understated.
It would be better to support the team and Slade for all of our sakes. Yes the regime is inept in most departments but whilst attempting to influence a change of ownership we cannot at this stage condone any attempt to change or oppose what Slade is trying to achieve least of all trying to disrupt games. I feel a temporary break in all in-stadium protests should begin and give what is a good appointment of manager a chance to get going. That break may be permanent if the team do well, Km keeps her mouth shut and Rd lets Slade run the show. If Charlton do well under Slade then the future looks bright for us all.
It would be better to support the team and Slade for all of our sakes. Yes the regime is inept in most departments but whilst attempting to influence a change of ownership we cannot at this stage condone any attempt to change or oppose what Slade is trying to achieve least of all trying to disrupt games. I feel a temporary break in all in-stadium protests should begin and give what is a good appointment of manager a chance to get going. That break may be permanent if the team do well, Km keeps her mouth shut and Rd lets Slade run the show. If Charlton do well under Slade then the future looks bright for us all.
Not criticizing, but given Slade has never got a team promoted in 20 years of management, I wonder what your definition is of a good manager? Hope it is not because he is British !!
I had opportunity to have a brief chat about this apparent change of direction with a senior person at the club this week. The message was essentially why would they hire an expensive (relative to his predecessors) British manager and not change the underlying behaviour as well.
I'm very cautious about that, and for me the question is less about what they do this season and what they're prepared to do if they get us back into the Championship. After all, if this is just a means to get back to the status quo of previous seasons, what's the point?
That may be unfair, but they've hardly engendered confidence in the past and the key players remain the same. Leopards, spots, and all that.
I'd rather a complete new broom starting with the owner and working its way down.
Whilst I don't wish to demean the very good efforts of CARD and CAST, but I can't help wonder whether internal issues may have forced their hand at bringing in a more expensive (and British) manager?
With the condition of the club, it's tarnished reputation and the way in which it would appear to be in free fall, how on earth do you entice and negotiate with potential players? There would appear to be no vision, no unity and even poor facilities by the sounds of it... Not very enticing for a young pro with offers elsewhere in the league.
Furthermore, you've recycled network managers and the last one - Riga - had the balls to speak out in press conferences and underline these issues. Riga made it clear that a squad needs continuity and that the club is in a poor state. That's from a network man.
Roland's wrist was well and truly twisted: the club isn't sustainable at League One level, the squad needs improvement to get out of League One, the level of fan unrest has got the attention of the FA and players will be aware of this and reluctant to join.
Appointing a manager with the relevant experience wasn't just an option, it was the only one. To think Roland has seriously reconsidered his approach would be naive, bordering on stupid.
For sure, the protests combined with the incompetence of the CEO and so on have left the regime in a situation where they think new rules have to apply.
Riga was a pseudo network guy. I give him more credit for his indoendenve than you have here.
He did say though that it was the club structure that was a big part of the problem. I translated this to be RD and KM.
Appointment of a new manager who knows League 1 depressingly well is a good decision.
Whether the structure or the structure/regime approach can or will change as it need to elsewhere is the big question.
Past history says not, and here I think past performance may well be a good guide to future performance.We will know more as the leavers leave and joiners join.
The regime will do as little as possible to make a small, temporary change in direction that will get us back to the Championship and enable them to restart their project ... except it won't be enough. Then, hopefully, they will go.
Personally I think any kind of disruption to an away game is wrong. But I would be pleased as Punch if a friendly or first home league game was abandoned.
It would be better to support the team and Slade for all of our sakes. Yes the regime is inept in most departments but whilst attempting to influence a change of ownership we cannot at this stage condone any attempt to change or oppose what Slade is trying to achieve least of all trying to disrupt games. I feel a temporary break in all in-stadium protests should begin and give what is a good appointment of manager a chance to get going. That break may be permanent if the team do well, Km keeps her mouth shut and Rd lets Slade run the show. If Charlton do well under Slade then the future looks bright for us all.
You are clearly not as angry as me. The future is never going to be bright under the current regime. The more that we can do to let the regime know they are not wanted, the better.
I had opportunity to have a brief chat about this apparent change of direction with a senior person at the club this week. The message was essentially why would they hire an expensive (relative to his predecessors) British manager and not change the underlying behaviour as well.
I'm very cautious about that, and for me the question is less about what they do this season and what they're prepared to do if they get us back into the Championship. After all, if this is just a means to get back to the status quo of previous seasons, what's the point?
That may be unfair, but they've hardly engendered confidence in the past and the key players remain the same. Leopards, spots, and all that.
I'd rather a complete new broom starting with the owner and working its way down.
We can but hope but the track record of the senior management - who remain unchanged and unbowed throughout this shambles - at keeping their word is hardly impressive. A counter argument could be that they have appointed a British manager in a hope it will take the steam out of the protests.
As you say, if we are all surprised and we somehow go back up then all they have done is got us back to where we were before Roland reinvented the way football is run.
For me, too much water under the bridge. I will never trust any of them and they all need to go.
It would be better to support the team and Slade for all of our sakes. Yes the regime is inept in most departments but whilst attempting to influence a change of ownership we cannot at this stage condone any attempt to change or oppose what Slade is trying to achieve least of all trying to disrupt games. I feel a temporary break in all in-stadium protests should begin and give what is a good appointment of manager a chance to get going. That break may be permanent if the team do well, Km keeps her mouth shut and Rd lets Slade run the show. If Charlton do well under Slade then the future looks bright for us all.
"If Charlton do well under Slade then the future looks bright for us all" ... sorry, but even if we do really well - as in get promoted - the fact remains we have three untrustworthy and incompetent people as the senior manager. And even if Roland and his idiot friends take a back seat this year, does anyone think that once we are back in the Championship they will be able to keep their hands off? The future would be brighter in League 1 with Roland and his chums gone than in the Championship with them at the tiller.
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Regime said they hire a British manager and all will be well, they did and then all is forgiven? Forget the lies, the backstabbing, the terrible appointments, the getting rid of Powell, kermie, Poyet etc, the changing of disablitity procedures, the forcing out of long term staff, childish antics, the awful house music, the stupid sofa and the assassination of Floyd and Harvey (I think the robin with sword done it).
Never mind let's all link hands and live in peace whilst CAFC continues to farm and catwalk players at the expense of any club success or ambition, at least we get to see them play huh?!
I'm very cautious about that, and for me the question is less about what they do this season and what they're prepared to do if they get us back into the Championship. After all, if this is just a means to get back to the status quo of previous seasons, what's the point?
That may be unfair, but they've hardly engendered confidence in the past and the key players remain the same. Leopards, spots, and all that.
I'd rather a complete new broom starting with the owner and working its way down.
They can ask him to toe the line, can block and mess up getting the players he would want, they could deny him any kind of budget, they could impose on him players he has never even heard of...and if he won't comply he will be a bit more costly to sack that's about it.
However what they pay out in sacking him they would have saved in not buying the players he would have spent money on, and there is always one player we could sell to offset Russell's pay off.
There is no imperative to change underlying behaviour just because of appointing Slade. Of course they might, then again they might not, the proof of the pudding and all that, but to suggest that once Slade is appointed it's job done is clearly wrong unless they believe that he can work magic under their system.
So what underlying behaviour might change? When will we see credible evidence of it? Those are the questions that concern me. Slade's initial press conference bunged out the same usual message. Especially the stuff about the academy players which Roland and Katrien bang on about, and players not going on the cheap which we have heard before from Murray.
If getting the players fit, and expecting them to play as a team with desire is the extent of the underlying change then it will of course be a good thing, but if it stops there it will be, to coin a phrase, thin gruel.
It is not underlying behaviour I want to see change, but the overarching authority of this regime.
I still go into this season as the first season in my 30 years supporting them with absolute zero excitement. In all my years I've always had that fresh optimism on the opening day. That's definitely not the case this time round
Not making any judgements about the level of protest in the ground, when we are there, we will be up for yet.
Shit squad, more likely to be supporting in ground protests, squad with potential, more likely to be personally more focussed on out of game.
With the condition of the club, it's tarnished reputation and the way in which it would appear to be in free fall, how on earth do you entice and negotiate with potential players? There would appear to be no vision, no unity and even poor facilities by the sounds of it... Not very enticing for a young pro with offers elsewhere in the league.
Furthermore, you've recycled network managers and the last one - Riga - had the balls to speak out in press conferences and underline these issues. Riga made it clear that a squad needs continuity and that the club is in a poor state. That's from a network man.
Roland's wrist was well and truly twisted: the club isn't sustainable at League One level, the squad needs improvement to get out of League One, the level of fan unrest has got the attention of the FA and players will be aware of this and reluctant to join.
Appointing a manager with the relevant experience wasn't just an option, it was the only one. To think Roland has seriously reconsidered his approach would be naive, bordering on stupid.
Riga was a pseudo network guy. I give him more credit for his indoendenve than you have here.
He did say though that it was the club structure that was a big part of the problem. I translated this to be RD and KM.
Appointment of a new manager who knows League 1 depressingly well is a good decision.
Whether the structure or the structure/regime approach can or will change as it need to elsewhere is the big question.
Past history says not, and here I think past performance may well be a good guide to future performance.We will know more as the leavers leave and joiners join.
As you say, if we are all surprised and we somehow go back up then all they have done is got us back to where we were before Roland reinvented the way football is run.
For me, too much water under the bridge. I will never trust any of them and they all need to go.