What on earth is wrong with the valley for people to want to move?
Move to a concrete bowl with no history and no identity... No thanks.
It's an unfinished stadium, the facilities for the majority of fans aren't that great, the seats and spacing between rows are too small, the acoustics could be better, there's no hot water in the toilets for ordinary fans to wash their hands with, there's a fucking great big net in front of the covered end...
Would just be easier to get a plumber in then build a whole new stadium mate
What on earth is wrong with the valley for people to want to move?
Move to a concrete bowl with no history and no identity... No thanks.
It's an unfinished stadium, the facilities for the majority of fans aren't that great, the seats and spacing between rows are too small, the acoustics could be better, there's no hot water in the toilets for ordinary fans to wash their hands with, there's a fucking great big net in front of the covered end...
Would just be easier to get a plumber in then build a whole new stadium mate
That's not the answer, a plumber would turn up, look at the job, suck air in between his teeth and say if you want a proper stadium it's going to be a lot of work and will cost you but alternatively I can stick this on the bits you've got already and nobody will notice the difference...until they start using it of course...
So i'm 31 in a few days, I have supported Charlton about 5-6 years - before then I had never heard of them. It is only now I look back and realise they played Arsenal at Highbury and I was there to see them years ago.
Perhaps it was due to being Scottish and not knowing much about English football. but I had heard of most London teams except the smaller ones, Charlton fell in that category.
I have to side with the Pres here - if we were in the Greenwich peninsular we would have a lot more exposure to the millions of people that work in canary wharf.
It would certainly raise the profile of the club.
however it will never happen because another team (just like west ham) will get in there first.
So i'm 31 in a few days, I have supported Charlton about 5-6 years - before then I had never heard of them. It is only now I look back and realise they played Arsenal at Highbury and I was there to see them years ago.
Perhaps it was due to being Scottish and not knowing much about English football. but I had heard of most London teams except the smaller ones, Charlton fell in that category.
I have to side with the Pres here - if we were in the Greenwich peninsular we would have a lot more exposure to the millions of people that work in canary wharf.
It would certainly raise the profile of the club.
however it will never happen because another team (just like west ham) will get in there first.
So at 25 years of age you had never heard of Charlton Athletic.
Ambition? The day we come anywhere near selling out 27000 seats let's talk about ambition. Remember target 40,000? That didn't involve moving so why the Fuck are we even discussing something that will never ever be necessary. Unless you seriously think we will ever need more than 40000 seats. We are getting 50% crowds because we are a failing league 1 club, not because we aren't based on the Greenwich peninsula.
Maybe I've not concentrates hard enough when I read this thread but I came out with the feeling that people want to stay in the Valley, but if an opportunity came up to move locally which was for the good of the club, they would accept a move.
Personally, I would look for any option possible to stay rather than move that could achieve the same or simir to move (when we are in premiership).
Once you've left your home of over 100 years, you've broken that link and you can never return.
I haven't looked at how the Valley could increase to 40k, 50k where we are but it must be possible if we needed that much space.
At the moment, or at least recently, your grounds too big for you and this is a library have been easy chants for the away fans. Next year will be worse..:
This would not be improved by better transport links. This would be better improved by having a decent club management, decent manager, a reasonable squad and good results
The Valley is less than 10 minutes by public transport from North Greenwich station and could be less.
Sounds like a very poor idea to me at the minute. Ask again in 5 years.
Have all those so eager to jettison The Valley and our heritage considered that presently we own our ground which we would almost certainly not on the Peninsular or elsewhere?
Some of the greatest football clubs on earth don't own their own stadiums.
Yeah but they generally have much larger fanbases and hence much more income from merchandising etc. For us, the revenue from commercial activities within the stadium both on matchdays and non-matchdays would be much more important, and ceding control of that just to get a more modern stadium is daft. Particularly as, unlike West Ham, it's unlikely we're going to get sucha favourable deal. I fear we're much more likely to end up doing a Coventry.
I thought the valley was green belt,so could only be used for sport not housing?
40000-45000,arguably more would be needed in the Prem,four-six games I think we could easily sell out once established.The other games could be sold to walk-ups.
When we were in the prem,I asked twenty non Charlton supporters if they would go if they knew they could get in by just walking up,nineteen of the twenty said yes.
This wasn't to every game of course,but also bear in mind most would take someone with them,kids,wife,mates etc.Some of these would most definitely become regulars as long as we kept our prem status.
I thought the valley was green belt,so could only be used for sport not housing?
40000-45000,arguably more would be needed in the Prem,four-six games I think we could easily sell out once established.The other games could be sold to walk-ups.
When we were in the prem,I asked twenty people at work, non Charlton supporters if they would go if they knew they could get in by just walking up,nineteen of the twenty said yes.
This wasn't to every game of course,but also bear in mind most would take someone with them,kids,wife,mates etc.Some of these would most definitely become regulars as long as we kept our prem status.
Personally I would hate to move, if it's ever required a rebuilt JS with the corners added would be sufficient, looking towards the east I still occasionally remember the young me running up and down the terrace.
I am old school it can only be The Valley for me.It could have been an outpost into Buckinghamshire in the mid 1970,s not good. Move on to the 1980,s and it was Selhurst and Boleyn Ground. Home is where the heart is and my heart is Always at The Valley.Good times bad times Charltons Home is The Valley.We had a seven year battle to gain that back,Least we forget.
I've said this before. And I will probavly say it again.
To me if it's not The Valley, Floyed road it's not Charlton. I probably wont be going and I certainly wouldn't be able to get myself 'up for it' like I do at The Valley.
No matter where we roam, The Valley is our home.
And thats comung from someone who wqsnt even born during the Valley party and the fight to return to The Valley.
In the PL we could sell 30k easily, 40k for big matches. But then so could Watford, Palace, Fulham, Reading, Hull, Cardiff etc
The problem though is that outside of the PL, playing in such a large ground would be horrible, with massive banks of empty seats and a terrible atmosphere. It would be like MKD, who have a really nice 30k stadium which is FAR too big for them
So far the only arguments for leaving The Valley are restaurants, bars and transport links. Someone even argued that it's difficult to get to The Valley from Plumstead. I don't get this. Haven't they heard of a bus, a car, a train or why not even simply a bike?
So far the only arguments for leaving The Valley are restaurants, bars and transport links. Someone even argued that it's difficult to get to The Valley from Plumstead. I don't get this. Haven't they heard of a bus, a car, a train or why not even simply a bike?
Not good enough for me. The Valley is our home.
So, you conveniently ignore a) raising the profile b) Stepping up a level c) Getting better sponsors d) Increasing revenue Streams . Thank god you didn't go on about attendances .
Sorry to bring up this old thread but I've been wondering if RD's reluctance to sell the club and lack of interest in the team's on pitch performances have anything to do with The Valley. Could it be possible that he sees more potential in the ground than the football club? That he thinks he'll make a big profit by developing The Valley and eventually selling it? And the training ground? For example, if I buy a house as an investment, I would wait for the price to go up and when I think it reaches my target I would sell it. If the housing market is crashing but I think it's only temporary, I'll probably do nothing but pay for the maintenance cost which still will be nothing when I eventually get it sold in a few years time. I always suspect that RD treats us more as real estate than a football club. Peter Varney made an offer to meet yet RD didn't even have the slightest interest, which was truly weird. To a businessman, everything has a price. Nothing is not for sale, especially not something that he has NO emotional ties with. So could it be possible that he's just waiting for the value of The Valley to go up while the yearly operating costs/losses are bearable? I know little about London real estate market or the financial values of the areas where The Valley and Sparrows Lane are located. What have the housing prices been like around these areas in the past couple of years? Going up? Slowly? Rapidly?
Does the above make any sense to you? Well, ultimately I think we're just one of the many investment projects of his so he doesn't care if we're happy or not - he's in Belgium not London or even England anyway...
Sorry to bring up this old thread but I've been wondering if RD's reluctance to sell the club and lack of interest in the team's on pitch performances have anything to do with The Valley. Could it be possible that he sees more potential in the ground than the football club? That he thinks he'll make a big profit by developing The Valley and eventually selling it? And the training ground? For example, if I buy a house as an investment, I would wait for the price to go up and when I think it reaches my target I would sell it. If the housing market is crashing but I think it's only temporary, I'll probably do nothing but pay for the maintenance cost which still will be nothing when I eventually get it sold in a few years time. I always suspect that RD treats us more as real estate than a football club. Peter Varney made an offer to meet yet RD didn't even have the slightest interest, which was truly weird. To a businessman, everything has a price. Nothing is not for sale, especially not something that he has NO emotional ties with. So could it be possible that he's just waiting for the value of The Valley to go up while the yearly operating costs/losses are bearable? I know little about London real estate market or the financial values of the areas where The Valley and Sparrows Lane are located. What have the housing prices been like around these areas in the past couple of years? Going up? Slowly? Rapidly?
Does the above make any sense to you? Well, ultimately I think we're just one of the many investment projects of his so he doesn't care if we're happy or not - he's in Belgium not London or even England anyway...
No
Apart from anything else, any profit on the land would be wiped out by the ongoing losses the club has been making, which would become genuine losses to him and not just loans to the club
And planning restrictions would stop this happening anyway
Sorry to bring up this old thread but I've been wondering if RD's reluctance to sell the club and lack of interest in the team's on pitch performances have anything to do with The Valley. Could it be possible that he sees more potential in the ground than the football club? That he thinks he'll make a big profit by developing The Valley and eventually selling it? And the training ground? For example, if I buy a house as an investment, I would wait for the price to go up and when I think it reaches my target I would sell it. If the housing market is crashing but I think it's only temporary, I'll probably do nothing but pay for the maintenance cost which still will be nothing when I eventually get it sold in a few years time. I always suspect that RD treats us more as real estate than a football club. Peter Varney made an offer to meet yet RD didn't even have the slightest interest, which was truly weird. To a businessman, everything has a price. Nothing is not for sale, especially not something that he has NO emotional ties with. So could it be possible that he's just waiting for the value of The Valley to go up while the yearly operating costs/losses are bearable? I know little about London real estate market or the financial values of the areas where The Valley and Sparrows Lane are located. What have the housing prices been like around these areas in the past couple of years? Going up? Slowly? Rapidly?
Does the above make any sense to you? Well, ultimately I think we're just one of the many investment projects of his so he doesn't care if we're happy or not - he's in Belgium not London or even England anyway...
No
Apart from anything else, any profit on the land would be wiped out by the ongoing losses the club has been making, which would become genuine losses to him and not just loans to the club
And planning restrictions would stop this happening anyway
Thanks. It's only in China that the real estate market has been heating up like crazy then.
Sorry to bring up this old thread but I've been wondering if RD's reluctance to sell the club and lack of interest in the team's on pitch performances have anything to do with The Valley. Could it be possible that he sees more potential in the ground than the football club? That he thinks he'll make a big profit by developing The Valley and eventually selling it? And the training ground? For example, if I buy a house as an investment, I would wait for the price to go up and when I think it reaches my target I would sell it. If the housing market is crashing but I think it's only temporary, I'll probably do nothing but pay for the maintenance cost which still will be nothing when I eventually get it sold in a few years time. I always suspect that RD treats us more as real estate than a football club. Peter Varney made an offer to meet yet RD didn't even have the slightest interest, which was truly weird. To a businessman, everything has a price. Nothing is not for sale, especially not something that he has NO emotional ties with. So could it be possible that he's just waiting for the value of The Valley to go up while the yearly operating costs/losses are bearable? I know little about London real estate market or the financial values of the areas where The Valley and Sparrows Lane are located. What have the housing prices been like around these areas in the past couple of years? Going up? Slowly? Rapidly?
Does the above make any sense to you? Well, ultimately I think we're just one of the many investment projects of his so he doesn't care if we're happy or not - he's in Belgium not London or even England anyway...
The most RD could hope to get from selling The Valley for housing (if that was allowed by the council, which is unlikely) would be about £10 million. So no, it does not make economic sense for him to think about offsetting his current losses by a future at a new stadium.
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Perhaps it was due to being Scottish and not knowing much about English football. but I had heard of most London teams except the smaller ones, Charlton fell in that category.
I have to side with the Pres here - if we were in the Greenwich peninsular we would have a lot more exposure to the millions of people that work in canary wharf.
It would certainly raise the profile of the club.
however it will never happen because another team (just like west ham) will get in there first.
#lidlolcharlton
Am I missing a joke somewhere?
What the f*** has happened to our Club?
Personally, I would look for any option possible to stay rather than move that could achieve the same or simir to move (when we are in premiership).
Once you've left your home of over 100 years, you've broken that link and you can never return.
I haven't looked at how the Valley could increase to 40k, 50k where we are but it must be possible if we needed that much space.
At the moment, or at least recently, your grounds too big for you and this is a library have been easy chants for the away fans. Next year will be worse..:
This would not be improved by better transport links. This would be better improved by having a decent club management, decent manager, a reasonable squad and good results
The Valley is less than 10 minutes by public transport from North Greenwich station and could be less.
Sounds like a very poor idea to me at the minute. Ask again in 5 years.
40000-45000,arguably more would be needed in the Prem,four-six games I think we could easily sell out once established.The other games could be sold to walk-ups.
When we were in the prem,I asked twenty non Charlton supporters if they would go if they knew they could get in by just walking up,nineteen of the twenty said yes.
This wasn't to every game of course,but also bear in mind most would take someone with them,kids,wife,mates etc.Some of these would most definitely become regulars as long as we kept our prem status.
Move on to the 1980,s and it was Selhurst and Boleyn Ground.
Home is where the heart is and my heart is Always at The Valley.Good times bad times Charltons Home is The Valley.We had a seven year battle to gain that back,Least we forget.
To me if it's not The Valley, Floyed road it's not Charlton. I probably wont be going and I certainly wouldn't be able to get myself 'up for it' like I do at The Valley.
No matter where we roam,
The Valley is our home.
And thats comung from someone who wqsnt even born during the Valley party and the fight to return to The Valley.
The problem though is that outside of the PL, playing in such a large ground would be horrible, with massive banks of empty seats and a terrible atmosphere. It would be like MKD, who have a really nice 30k stadium which is FAR too big for them
Not good enough for me. The Valley is our home.
Thank god you didn't go on about attendances .
Does the above make any sense to you? Well, ultimately I think we're just one of the many investment projects of his so he doesn't care if we're happy or not - he's in Belgium not London or even England anyway...
Apart from anything else, any profit on the land would be wiped out by the ongoing losses the club has been making, which would become genuine losses to him and not just loans to the club
And planning restrictions would stop this happening anyway