Amazed that people are even considering a move from The Valley a good thing.
Yes I might be a nostalgic old sod but I couldn't watch us anywhere else now, especially after how hard we fought to get it back. We also have no need to even consider moving for a long time to come, next season our beloved stadium will seem way too big for us.
Short of a billionaire investor we are decades away from ever needing a 40,000 plus stadium.
It all depends how quickly the Target 20k group hit the numbers they are looking for. As soon as the group report back to RD & KM that 20k will be attending each home game I am sure the astute business side of them both will give the group a new target.
Target 30k or 40k will need more seats to play with.
I cant believe I didn't get a nibble or lol with this comment.
It all depends how quickly the Target 20k group hit the numbers they are looking for. As soon as the group report back to RD & KM that 20k will be attending each home game I am sure the astute business side of them both will give the group a new target.
Target 30k or 40k will need more seats to play with.
I cant believe I didn't get a nibble or lol with this comment.
Completely pointless. Tv money means you don't have to rely on tickets and even in our peak years we very rarely sold out games
Totally disagree,most of the games were effectively sold out.The only times there was a shortfull was when we played away sides that couldn't fill the away end.
Then in that case the away end was segregated(reducing capacity) and sold to non season ticket holders.
More neutrals would have attended if they new they could get in,not every game,but in the long term we would gain more season ticket holders.
The Valley is not big enough for Prem.football as it stands.Develope the East stand/away end and it would be near 40000 about right for starters.All of this being a Prem club,of course.
What on earth is wrong with the valley for people to want to move?
Move to a concrete bowl with no history and no identity... No thanks.
It's an unfinished stadium, the facilities for the majority of fans aren't that great, the seats and spacing between rows are too small, the acoustics could be better, there's no hot water in the toilets for ordinary fans to wash their hands with, there's a fucking great big net in front of the covered end...
Love the valley been going since 2005 (I'm 16) however by moving to the Penisula it would enhance our status and no doubt attract a lot of supporters but saying that we struggle to get 15,000 on a Saturday with the cheapest tickets in the league.
We are a very long way from the premiership as far as I am concerned, and talk of moving away from the Valley is far to early to consider that for me. I appreciate it may be along term plan for some, but not for me I am afraid.
The Valley has hosted Premiership football, and despite the ridiculous and inept policy to build on the former players house, at the top of the Sam Bartram gates ( Lansdowne Mews) for what was both a small amount of money, it will need in my opinion a considerable investment to replace the Jimmy Seed stand, and 'fill in' the corners.
Even if such investment is forthcoming and possible, it will need to satisfy the planning department, but forget all the crap about apartments and hotel's as has been recently mentioned by certain CAFC people.
The Valley for me is Charlton, I was born in Charlton, This 'idea' about the Peninsular or where ever has been in circulation for years. Dreaming of a new stadium on some area, to me is just a pipe dream. Yes the Valley is not perfect, yes it could do with updating, but it is our own. I must be a lightweight supporter I guess.
Doesn't growing attendances come from running a club well? Brighton are well run as well as having a bigger better stadium.
Progress doesn't just happen through moving to a new ground. You might get a temporary boost in attendances but if the club is being run badly it won't progress just by having a modern stadium. Am I missing something?
Have all those so eager to jettison The Valley and our heritage considered that presently we own our ground which we would almost certainly not on the Peninsular or elsewhere?
To make the valley really fit for purpose we'd have to level it and move the pitch west about ten metres or so and then build new stands around it. The upper west concourse is to narrow, the facilities available to most fans up there are poor. The east stand proposal as I recall didn't allow for a lot more seating or fans facilities. And if you move the pitch, west stand and east stand over then the covered and and south stands will be in the wrong place. To do all that would take years of disruption, unless we propose to do a Spurs or Chelsea and play elsewhere while it's taking place. Realistically for charlton the better option will be to leave the valley and start again from fresh and we are more fortunate than most clubs that have done the same in that there is the Greenwich peninsular next door, it's got a tune line, there is more than enough parking and fans would be spooky for choice for something to eat and drink or even for their other halfs to meet up with them afterwards. If Charlton wanted to attract new fans it would be a major selling point and one that could compete with West Ham at the taxpayers stadium across the river
Also have to consider that if we somehow went up to 40,000 at the Valley then that's 50% increase in people which brings issues with parking, using the railway station and getting to and from the ground via the side streets.
Cant you all see its not all about attendances - its about pushing on to the next level. Instead of , as i keep saying, playing the likes of Aldershot and Accrington every week with a dwindling attendance of 'Valley diehard dinosaur sympathisers' and selling our best players every year, we could be playing the likes of Leicester and Liverpool in a modern stadium,with modern transport links in an area which is regarded as the Financial capital of the world- with new,younger, more international fanbase ! And maybe, you never know, dipping into Europe occasionally.
Yes, we could always (somehow) get into the Prem in our current form, but, we all know it isn't gonna happen for the next 10 years at least , maybe not in my lifetime again - and one of the reasons for that is that clubs like Leicester,Stoke,Bournemouth,Hull,Palace HAVE moved onto the next level - they have mostly built new stadiums, improved their attendances, improved their sponsorships,improved their income - all by trying to get to the next level and not sat still and glorified on the past thinking everything's alright.
Yes, I'm proud like everyone else of what was achieved in returning to The valley, i'm proud of our heritage but you cant live on past glories - you HAVE to move forward. Else we WILL remain Lidl Ol Charlton, watched by an ever-decreasing number of ageing fans crying out for the Valley Party to be re-formed, sliding inexorably towards oblivion (unless RD does it first,of course).
If building a new bigger ground guaranteed success, perhaps. Darlington are the best example of it not working but there are others, and even then most of those moved from old grounds which simply could not be brought up to date, which does not apply to us. If we don't get the on-field things right then we would be playing in front of ever-decreasing crowds in a lovely white elephant with a debt to rival Zimbabwe's and a football team about as good.
Errr, I don't think Darlington built their ground in the worlds biggest Financial centre, did they ? - You've only to look at Brighton and Amex to see the benefits of moving to the peninsular - imagine a ground/team that thousands of new residents could call 'their' team - a team that could be sponsored (even owned by as far as I'm concerned) by the likes of HSBC/Citi/State Street etc - its a bit different than being sponsored by Andrews Air Conditioning innit ? (no negs on AAC , of course). TBH, I don't give a toss if they have been fans for 50 years or 50 days - if they are wearing a red shirt and cheering on CAFC, then that's fine by me. Eventually (it might take a few years) but we could, with that financial clout behind us, become a middling to strong team in the Prem - a bit like Leicester were last season - and look what happened to them. I don't get the negativity, I really don't - put aside your nostalgia for a moment and think about what could be. To me, this is an incredible opportunity/possibility (if its still about) to move on up - it is such a no-brainer if it comes with no major net cost to the club. I don't want to be going down the Valley watching Aldershot - but I would certainly go to the Peninsular to watch Liverpool - what would you prefer?
Yes, we are in a massive centre, but the downside is there is a load of competition, most importantly West Ham on our doorstep aside from other clubs and sports all within easy distance.
The point remains that we have to get the on-field issues sorted and then start being a realistic long-term leading Championship side before entertaining grander ideas or we will end up with a white elephant. I am sure you wouldn't go to the Penninsular to watch Aldershot either, and equally that you would go the The Valley to watch Liverpool.
What is our core following? I ask this as we didn't sell out our current capacity for all home games last time we were in the Premier League and I am fairly sure we've not gained fans since then. So even if we were in the PL would we sell out 40,000?
Some might say this is negative and lacks ambition. But I worry that some seem to think a new stadium will means thousands of new fans and almost guaranteed success. It won't.
I guess one plus of a move as far as Duchatalet is concerned is that he could make sure the seats are not in throwing distance of the pitch, plus the directors' box could be behind armour-plated glass.
Have all those so eager to jettison The Valley and our heritage considered that presently we own our ground which we would almost certainly not on the Peninsular or elsewhere?
Some of the greatest football clubs on earth don't own their own stadiums.
Some traditions are worth keeping. The Valley is one of them.
No reason we can't redevelop the east stand and convert the away end into two or three tier, adding seating in the side quadrants also. That will boost numbers by a fair bit. Could also revamp the other two sides to increase capacity at a later stage. No need to move. We do need better transport but if the industrial wasteland between the club and the river is being completely redone that will be part of those plans.
Why move from a spiritual home which can easily be rebuilt?
I dont know how many times i have to say it, but its NOT ALL about attendances. Forget about what The Valley can hold, or we dont sell out , or didnt in Prem.Or what the Peninsular could hold. Forget about it.
Its about moving up to the next level.
Its about... a) getting better sponsorship b) getting more income thru the club c) getting better transport links d) building a better/younger/more international fanbase thru time e) being visible to the big business players in the finance world. f) then , because of the above having a team that could compete in the Prem in a stadium that is modern and available to modern people. (notice i didnt say anything about attendances there !)
None of you seem able to answer my question as to whether you would like to watch Aldershot at The Valley or Liverpool at The Peninsular?. Thats because you all know that is what is going to happen should we stay at The Valley - especially if its under RD. Ok, its no guarantee that you will see Liverpool at The Peninsular either - but, i tell you what , its much more likely. If it is Liverpool at the Peninsular, then obviously attendances will rise accordingly - but its almost a by-product.
Please dont talk about attendances - attendances will go up or down depending on who we are playing/quality of the opposition/quality of our team. Also, please put aside heritage and nostalgia for the time-being - heritage and nostalgia win you nothing.
Think about it with your head not your heart - its a no-brainer.Look at Brighton and Amex (the company) and what direction they are going in- and then look at us with stagnation,exasperation and demoralisation and Andrews Air Conditioning- and looking forward to seeing Aldershot at The Valley.
BTW - There is absolutely no way i would want RD around if we did move to the Peninsular - i would rather we move to Ebbsfleet Peninsular if it was still him.
I dont know how many times i have to say it, but its NOT ALL about attendances. Forget about what The Valley can hold, or we dont sell out , or didnt in Prem.Or what the Peninsular could hold. Forget about it.
Its about moving up to the next level.
Its about... a) getting better sponsorship b) getting more income thru the club c) getting better transport links d) building a better/younger/more international fanbase thru time e) being visible to the big business players in the finance world. f) then , because of the above having a team that could compete in the Prem in a stadium that is modern and available to modern people. (notice i didnt say anything about attendances there !)
None of you seem able to answer my question as to whether you would like to watch Aldershot at The Valley or Liverpool at The Peninsular?. Thats because you all know that is what is going to happen should we stay at The Valley - especially if its under RD. Ok, its no guarantee that you will see Liverpool at The Peninsular either - but, i tell you what , its much more likely. If it is Liverpool at the Peninsular, then obviously attendances will rise accordingly - but its almost a by-product.
Please dont talk about attendances - attendances will go up or down depending on who we are playing/quality of the opposition/quality of our team. Also, please put aside heritage and nostalgia for the time-being - heritage and nostalgia win you nothing.
Think about it with your head not your heart - its a no-brainer.Look at Brighton and Amex and what direction they are going in- and then look at us with stagnation,exasperation and demoralisation and Andrews Air Conditioning- and looking forward to seeing Aldershot at The Valley.
Would you prefer to watch Liverpool at The Valley or Aldershot at The Peninsular, as that is just as likely.
I don't see moving to the peninsular making a major difference to our attendances or commercial income anyway, not if we're still in L1 or struggling in the Championship. It's not like we're based in a backwater, where it would excite the town/city.
Brighton were nomads, and then they were playing at an athletics stadium. Getting to the Amex was a major fillip to the town, there are special circumstances to their success.
The stadium near North Greenwich station is supposed to be a baseball arena/open air concert venue for the Americans working at Canary Wharf.
The Valley doesn't have the property development potential of Highbury/Upton Park because it is landlocked by the railway.
It's two minutes from Charlton railway station. I'm not saying The Valley is worth a fortune to developers but it's a decent enough lump of real estate in a central London borough with good transport links to London.
Being hemmed in by the railway on one side is not an issue at all.
I dont know how many times i have to say it, but its NOT ALL about attendances. Forget about what The Valley can hold, or we dont sell out , or didnt in Prem.Or what the Peninsular could hold. Forget about it.
Its about moving up to the next level.
Its about... a) getting better sponsorship b) getting more income thru the club c) getting better transport links d) building a better/younger/more international fanbase thru time e) being visible to the big business players in the finance world. f) then , because of the above having a team that could compete in the Prem in a stadium that is modern and available to modern people. (notice i didnt say anything about attendances there !)
None of you seem able to answer my question as to whether you would like to watch Aldershot at The Valley or Liverpool at The Peninsular?. Thats because you all know that is what is going to happen should we stay at The Valley - especially if its under RD. Ok, its no guarantee that you will see Liverpool at The Peninsular either - but, i tell you what , its much more likely. If it is Liverpool at the Peninsular, then obviously attendances will rise accordingly - but its almost a by-product.
Please dont talk about attendances - attendances will go up or down depending on who we are playing/quality of the opposition/quality of our team. Also, please put aside heritage and nostalgia for the time-being - heritage and nostalgia win you nothing.
Think about it with your head not your heart - its a no-brainer.Look at Brighton and Amex and what direction they are going in- and then look at us with stagnation,exasperation and demoralisation and Andrews Air Conditioning- and looking forward to seeing Aldershot at The Valley.
Would you prefer to watch Liverpool at The Valley or Aldershot at The Peninsular, as that is just as likely.
I don't see moving to the peninsular making a major difference to our attendances or commercial income anyway, not if we're still in L1 or struggling in the Championship. It's not like we're based in a backwater, where it would excite the town/city.
Brighton were nomads, and then they were playing at an athletics stadium. Getting to the Amex was a major fillip to the town, there are special circumstances to their success.
When i spoke about Brighton and Amex , i meant Amex the company not Amex the ground.
I dont know how many times i have to say it, but its NOT ALL about attendances. Forget about what The Valley can hold, or we dont sell out , or didnt in Prem.Or what the Peninsular could hold. Forget about it.
Its about moving up to the next level.
Its about... a) getting better sponsorship b) getting more income thru the club c) getting better transport links d) building a better/younger/more international fanbase thru time e) being visible to the big business players in the finance world. f) then , because of the above having a team that could compete in the Prem in a stadium that is modern and available to modern people. (notice i didnt say anything about attendances there !)
None of you seem able to answer my question as to whether you would like to watch Aldershot at The Valley or Liverpool at The Peninsular?. Thats because you all know that is what is going to happen should we stay at The Valley - especially if its under RD. Ok, its no guarantee that you will see Liverpool at The Peninsular either - but, i tell you what , its much more likely. If it is Liverpool at the Peninsular, then obviously attendances will rise accordingly - but its almost a by-product.
Please dont talk about attendances - attendances will go up or down depending on who we are playing/quality of the opposition/quality of our team. Also, please put aside heritage and nostalgia for the time-being - heritage and nostalgia win you nothing.
Think about it with your head not your heart - its a no-brainer.Look at Brighton and Amex and what direction they are going in- and then look at us with stagnation,exasperation and demoralisation and Andrews Air Conditioning- and looking forward to seeing Aldershot at The Valley.
Would you prefer to watch Liverpool at The Valley or Aldershot at The Peninsular, as that is just as likely.
I don't see moving to the peninsular making a major difference to our attendances or commercial income anyway, not if we're still in L1 or struggling in the Championship. It's not like we're based in a backwater, where it would excite the town/city.
Brighton were nomads, and then they were playing at an athletics stadium. Getting to the Amex was a major fillip to the town, there are special circumstances to their success.
So, you honestly believe that there is just as much chance of seeing us play Liverpool at The Valley as Aldershot at the Peninsular ? ......really ?!!
Amazed that people are even considering a move from The Valley a good thing.
Yes I might be a nostalgic old sod but I couldn't watch us anywhere else now, especially after how hard we fought to get it back. We also have no need to even consider moving for a long time to come, next season our beloved stadium will seem way too big for us.
Short of a billionaire investor we are decades away from ever needing a 40,000 plus stadium.
If we sink any lower under this Belgian cunt, we'll soon be able to ground share with Welling
I dont know how many times i have to say it, but its NOT ALL about attendances. Forget about what The Valley can hold, or we dont sell out , or didnt in Prem.Or what the Peninsular could hold. Forget about it.
Its about moving up to the next level.
Its about... a) getting better sponsorship b) getting more income thru the club c) getting better transport links d) building a better/younger/more international fanbase thru time e) being visible to the big business players in the finance world. f) then , because of the above having a team that could compete in the Prem in a stadium that is modern and available to modern people. (notice i didnt say anything about attendances there !)
None of you seem able to answer my question as to whether you would like to watch Aldershot at The Valley or Liverpool at The Peninsular?. Thats because you all know that is what is going to happen should we stay at The Valley - especially if its under RD. Ok, its no guarantee that you will see Liverpool at The Peninsular either - but, i tell you what , its much more likely. If it is Liverpool at the Peninsular, then obviously attendances will rise accordingly - but its almost a by-product.
Please dont talk about attendances - attendances will go up or down depending on who we are playing/quality of the opposition/quality of our team. Also, please put aside heritage and nostalgia for the time-being - heritage and nostalgia win you nothing.
Think about it with your head not your heart - its a no-brainer.Look at Brighton and Amex and what direction they are going in- and then look at us with stagnation,exasperation and demoralisation and Andrews Air Conditioning- and looking forward to seeing Aldershot at The Valley.
Would you prefer to watch Liverpool at The Valley or Aldershot at The Peninsular, as that is just as likely.
I don't see moving to the peninsular making a major difference to our attendances or commercial income anyway, not if we're still in L1 or struggling in the Championship. It's not like we're based in a backwater, where it would excite the town/city.
Brighton were nomads, and then they were playing at an athletics stadium. Getting to the Amex was a major fillip to the town, there are special circumstances to their success.
So, you honestly believe that there is just as much chance of seeing us play Liverpool at The Valley as Aldershot at the Peninsular ? ......really ?!!
By itself, a new stadium will mean nothing. We could have a 35k new stadium this season, but still be managed by Karel Fraeye and have a team full of network rubbish.
Burnley have twice been promoted to the PL, they don't have a new ground or a moneybags owner. Turf Moor is a far worse ground than ours, as is Dean Court but both will be hosting Liverpool next season
I dont know how many times i have to say it, but its NOT ALL about attendances. Forget about what The Valley can hold, or we dont sell out , or didnt in Prem.Or what the Peninsular could hold. Forget about it.
Its about moving up to the next level.
Its about... a) getting better sponsorship b) getting more income thru the club c) getting better transport links d) building a better/younger/more international fanbase thru time e) being visible to the big business players in the finance world. f) then , because of the above having a team that could compete in the Prem in a stadium that is modern and available to modern people. (notice i didnt say anything about attendances there !)
None of you seem able to answer my question as to whether you would like to watch Aldershot at The Valley or Liverpool at The Peninsular?. Thats because you all know that is what is going to happen should we stay at The Valley - especially if its under RD. Ok, its no guarantee that you will see Liverpool at The Peninsular either - but, i tell you what , its much more likely. If it is Liverpool at the Peninsular, then obviously attendances will rise accordingly - but its almost a by-product.
Please dont talk about attendances - attendances will go up or down depending on who we are playing/quality of the opposition/quality of our team. Also, please put aside heritage and nostalgia for the time-being - heritage and nostalgia win you nothing.
Think about it with your head not your heart - its a no-brainer.Look at Brighton and Amex and what direction they are going in- and then look at us with stagnation,exasperation and demoralisation and Andrews Air Conditioning- and looking forward to seeing Aldershot at The Valley.
Would you prefer to watch Liverpool at The Valley or Aldershot at The Peninsular, as that is just as likely.
I don't see moving to the peninsular making a major difference to our attendances or commercial income anyway, not if we're still in L1 or struggling in the Championship. It's not like we're based in a backwater, where it would excite the town/city.
Brighton were nomads, and then they were playing at an athletics stadium. Getting to the Amex was a major fillip to the town, there are special circumstances to their success.
So, you honestly believe that there is just as much chance of seeing us play Liverpool at The Valley as Aldershot at the Peninsular ? ......really ?!!
By itself, a new stadium will mean nothing. We could have a 35k new stadium this season, but still be managed by Karel Fraeye and have a team full of network rubbish.
Burnley have twice been promoted to the PL, they don't have a new ground or a moneybags owner. Turf Moor is a far worse ground than ours, as is Dean Court but both will be hosting Liverpool next season
kaf - see you at the Valley then mate when we are playing Aldershot. Coz seeing Liverpool at the Valley wont be in my lifetime.
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Yes I might be a nostalgic old sod but I couldn't watch us anywhere else now, especially after how hard we fought to get it back. We also have no need to even consider moving for a long time to come, next season our beloved stadium will seem way too big for us.
Short of a billionaire investor we are decades away from ever needing a 40,000 plus stadium.
I am wasted on here
Then in that case the away end was segregated(reducing capacity) and sold to non season ticket holders.
More neutrals would have attended if they new they could get in,not every game,but in the long term we would gain more season ticket holders.
The Valley is not big enough for Prem.football as it stands.Develope the East stand/away end and it would be near 40000 about right for starters.All of this being a Prem club,of course.
Move to a concrete bowl with no history and no identity... No thanks.
I appreciate it may be along term plan for some, but not for me I am afraid.
The Valley has hosted Premiership football, and despite the ridiculous and inept policy to build on the former players house, at the top of the Sam Bartram gates ( Lansdowne Mews) for what was both a small amount of money, it will need in my opinion a considerable investment to replace the Jimmy Seed stand, and 'fill in' the corners.
Even if such investment is forthcoming and possible, it will need to satisfy the planning department, but forget all the crap about apartments and hotel's as has been recently mentioned by certain CAFC people.
The Valley for me is Charlton, I was born in Charlton,
This 'idea' about the Peninsular or where ever has been in circulation for years. Dreaming of a new stadium on some area, to me is just a pipe dream. Yes the Valley is not perfect, yes it could do with updating, but it is our own. I must be a lightweight supporter I guess.
Progress doesn't just happen through moving to a new ground. You might get a temporary boost in attendances but if the club is being run badly it won't progress just by having a modern stadium. Am I missing something?
The point remains that we have to get the on-field issues sorted and then start being a realistic long-term leading Championship side before entertaining grander ideas or we will end up with a white elephant. I am sure you wouldn't go to the Penninsular to watch Aldershot either, and equally that you would go the The Valley to watch Liverpool.
What is our core following? I ask this as we didn't sell out our current capacity for all home games last time we were in the Premier League and I am fairly sure we've not gained fans since then. So even if we were in the PL would we sell out 40,000?
Some might say this is negative and lacks ambition. But I worry that some seem to think a new stadium will means thousands of new fans and almost guaranteed success. It won't.
We could have a 40,000 seat stadium but a rubbish team and attract gates of under 10,000.
We could improve the team and have the current 27,000 capacity but turning customers (supporters) away because we are full up.
Under Curbs the ground and team seemed to grow together.
The Valley is one of them.
No reason we can't redevelop the east stand and convert the away end into two or three tier, adding seating in the side quadrants also. That will boost numbers by a fair bit. Could also revamp the other two sides to increase capacity at a later stage. No need to move. We do need better transport but if the industrial wasteland between the club and the river is being completely redone that will be part of those plans.
Why move from a spiritual home which can easily be rebuilt?
If that move involved the Greenwich peninsula then so much the better. It's got all the transport links. The peninsula option won't be around forever.
Moving elsewhere would always be harder and outside the borough much much harder for me.
Never say never.
Its about moving up to the next level.
Its about...
a) getting better sponsorship
b) getting more income thru the club
c) getting better transport links
d) building a better/younger/more international fanbase thru time
e) being visible to the big business players in the finance world.
f) then , because of the above having a team that could compete in the Prem in a stadium that is modern and available to modern people. (notice i didnt say anything about attendances there !)
None of you seem able to answer my question as to whether you would like to watch Aldershot at The Valley or Liverpool at The Peninsular?. Thats because you all know that is what is going to happen should we stay at The Valley - especially if its under RD. Ok, its no guarantee that you will see Liverpool at The Peninsular either - but, i tell you what , its much more likely.
If it is Liverpool at the Peninsular, then obviously attendances will rise accordingly - but its almost a by-product.
Please dont talk about attendances - attendances will go up or down depending on who we are playing/quality of the opposition/quality of our team.
Also, please put aside heritage and nostalgia for the time-being - heritage and nostalgia win you nothing.
Think about it with your head not your heart - its a no-brainer.Look at Brighton and Amex (the company) and what direction they are going in- and then look at us with stagnation,exasperation and demoralisation and Andrews Air Conditioning- and looking forward to seeing Aldershot at The Valley.
The Valley doesn't have the property development potential of Highbury/Upton Park because it is landlocked by the railway.
I don't see moving to the peninsular making a major difference to our attendances or commercial income anyway, not if we're still in L1 or struggling in the Championship. It's not like we're based in a backwater, where it would excite the town/city.
Brighton were nomads, and then they were playing at an athletics stadium. Getting to the Amex was a major fillip to the town, there are special circumstances to their success.
Being hemmed in by the railway on one side is not an issue at all.
If we sink any lower under this Belgian cunt, we'll soon be able to ground share with Welling
Burnley have twice been promoted to the PL, they don't have a new ground or a moneybags owner. Turf Moor is a far worse ground than ours, as is Dean Court but both will be hosting Liverpool next season