Can't help but feel this is the last throw of the dice as far as the beleaguered Murray and Meire are concerned. Her almost desperate insistence that we should dismiss everything in the past and start again won't work, but they are clearly gambling Slade can turn things round and that as a result we will all forgive and forget. If he does, they think they have a chance; if he doesn't, I think they know they are toast.
Both looked fried. Can't believe Murray believes half of what he spouts. So the only reason we went down were injuries and keeping Fraeye too long? Well, what about appointing Fraeye in the first place? As for their reputations, are we supposed to forget the lies, the silence, the ruining of our club? Even if we get promoted = a big and unlikely if - then we are not even back to where we where when this mob took over.
Murray needs to go. He is now part of the problem and certainly not a solution.
Go now, go now We've already said ‘Goodbye’. Since you've got to go Oh you had better go now. Go now. Go now. Go now Before you see me cry. I don't want you to tell me Just what you intend to do now, Murray
RM your having a laugh, do you really think we are 'all' so gullible to believe your latest load of excuses.
So, the reason we got relegated was because of Fraeye. He contributed of course but the total reason definitely not. We were doomed to go down from the moment RD got rid of our best players and sacked Powell, the only surprise is, it took another 2 seasons for it to happen. A catalogue of bad decisions from the board, of which you firmly sit are the real reason for our decline and a split with fans like I have never seen ever with this club.
Please spare us the bullshit you have stayed to influence, because the whole period of time since RD took over has been a failure.
More like the real reason you pinned your colours to the RD regime was to feed your ego.
You could have left the board ages ago on principal, but you didn't and are still clearly intending to ride out the storm with the regime. Good Luck with that.
For me he made a similar kind of populist appeal to the fans as Katrien's outrageous one.
It amounts to 'oh look guys I'm one of you I could go any sit with you in the North Stand but instead l'm fighting for you on the inside'. Well you don't do you Richard? You sit next to Katrien every home game making it pretty clear where your loyalties lay and if you had any real influence there would have been clearer signs of it. Plus, didn't you dismiss the protests at the outset as a message board thing? That comment must have come back to bite a bit later on.
Too late now to try to worm your way out of for ever being tainted by the ducatelet and Meire interlude in the history of the club.
It's the way he summarises seasons past and states ,with some assurance,.that he knows exactly where it all went wrong.
Reality is he hasn't got a fukin clue!
TBH when I see or hear Richard, it reminds me of a once faithful puppy that entered your life one day and made its way into your heart. It became a much loved part of your family and could do little wrong.
However, as life sometimes dictates, and time passed, you were forced to leave it for longer periods with your neighbour & it gradually became a "timeshare" dog enjoying the benefits of being cared for & loved by two families.
The time came when its days were clearly numbered and being less mobile & a becoming more grumpy by the day, it began to spend more time with the neighbour which, though acceptable, did hurt somewhat. After all, wasn't it YOUR dog ?
But when it would sleep only on the neighbour's bed, eat from the neighbour's bowl, cuddle up to the neighbour on their sofa but choose to only sh*t in YOUR garden, it was time to realise that its loyalties had changed .
A harsh reality check & a sad but clear indication that a dog isn't always for life....
At the press conference Slade said more or less what I expected him to say (and what any incoming manager would say) and Meire said what any young, bouncy corporate manager would come out with.........
The most curious comments by far came from Murray. He must have been watching the club since the 70's? Possibly even earlier. But he seems in all that time to have acquired not very much common sense. After putting us through the Dowie-Reed farce in 2006 he then replicates it ten years later. His logic seems to be that because we were lucky when we appointed Lawrence in 1982-83 (a manager with coaching certificates but no prior playing or managerial career of any repute) we could have been equally lucky in 2006 and 2016 with the same approach. He clearly doesn't understand - if that is the case - how much the UK game has changed since the 80's.
for me Murray came across as being surprisingly badly informed.
And the way he said "Karel was here too long" smacked of "....and I ducking told you so you mad bitch"
Murray was very clearly defending Fraeye when we spoke between Christmas and New Year. Did not accept that he was a problem.
Exactly this. Murray said:
“Fraeye knows this club. He has kept a very keen interest. We felt he could come in immediately and make the job his own."
If we'd have got Riga in for those 14-15 games, we'd have had a much better chance of staying up.
Riga was manager at Metz when Fraeye was appointed, so he wasn't available.
Every manager is available if you want them enough.
A very fair point, but Roland being the skinflint he is probably wouldn't have relished paying compensation to Metz, particularly if he could get someone for nothing.
At the press conference Slade said more or less what I expected him to say (and what any incoming manager would say) and Meire said what any young, bouncy corporate manager would come out with.........
The most curious comments by far came from Murray. He must have been watching the club since the 70's? Possibly even earlier. But he seems in all that time to have acquired not very much common sense. After putting us through the Dowie-Reed farce in 2006 he then replicates it ten years later. His logic seems to be that because we were lucky when we appointed Lawrence in 1982-83 (a manager with coaching certificates but no prior playing or managerial career of any repute) we could have been equally lucky in 2006 and 2016 with the same approach. He clearly doesn't understand - if that is the case - how much the UK game has changed since the 80's.
for me Murray came across as being surprisingly badly informed.
On the clubs centenary DVD Murray I think stated he only started watching the club during the Selhurst years.
I remember in the programme at the 1st game back at The Valley it stated he supported Wolves before us.
You should all realise how blooming lucky we've been to have RM working the inside track, without his influence on hiring/firing coaches, size of squad needed, right mix of English v foreign experience, how to motivate and retain backroom staff, we'd have been in a right pickle. Job well done and time well spent Mr Murray.
It's the way he summarises seasons past and states ,with some assurance,.that he knows exactly where it all went wrong.
Reality is he hasn't got a fukin clue!
TBH when I see or hear Richard, it reminds me of a once faithful puppy that entered your life one day and made its way into your heart. It became a much loved part of your family and could do little wrong.
However, as life sometimes dictates, and time passed, you were forced to leave it for longer periods with your neighbour & it gradually became a "timeshare" dog enjoying the benefits of being cared for & loved by two families.
The time came when its days were clearly numbered and being less mobile & a becoming more grumpy by the day, it began to spend more time with the neighbour which, though acceptable, did hurt somewhat. After all, wasn't it YOUR dog ?
But when it would sleep only on the neighbour's bed, eat from the neighbour's bowl, cuddle up to the neighbour on their sofa but choose to only sh*t in YOUR garden, it was time to realise that its loyalties had changed .
A harsh reality check & a sad but clear indication that a dog isn't always for life....
It's the way he summarises seasons past and states ,with some assurance,.that he knows exactly where it all went wrong.
Reality is he hasn't got a fukin clue!
TBH when I see or hear Richard, it reminds me of a once faithful puppy that entered your life one day and made its way into your heart. It became a much loved part of your family and could do little wrong.
However, as life sometimes dictates, and time passed, you were forced to leave it for longer periods with your neighbour & it gradually became a "timeshare" dog enjoying the benefits of being cared for & loved by two families.
The time came when its days were clearly numbered and being less mobile & a becoming more grumpy by the day, it began to spend more time with the neighbour which, though acceptable, did hurt somewhat. After all, wasn't it YOUR dog ?
But when it would sleep only on the neighbour's bed, eat from the neighbour's bowl, cuddle up to the neighbour on their sofa but choose to only sh*t in YOUR garden, it was time to realise that its loyalties had changed .
A harsh reality check & a sad but clear indication that a dog isn't always for life....
At the press conference Slade said more or less what I expected him to say (and what any incoming manager would say) and Meire said what any young, bouncy corporate manager would come out with.........
The most curious comments by far came from Murray. He must have been watching the club since the 70's? Possibly even earlier. But he seems in all that time to have acquired not very much common sense. After putting us through the Dowie-Reed farce in 2006 he then replicates it ten years later. His logic seems to be that because we were lucky when we appointed Lawrence in 1982-83 (a manager with coaching certificates but no prior playing or managerial career of any repute) we could have been equally lucky in 2006 and 2016 with the same approach. He clearly doesn't understand - if that is the case - how much the UK game has changed since the 80's.
for me Murray came across as being surprisingly badly informed.
Except Murray is a non executive Chairman and doesn't make any decisions.
At the press conference Slade said more or less what I expected him to say (and what any incoming manager would say) and Meire said what any young, bouncy corporate manager would come out with.........
The most curious comments by far came from Murray. He must have been watching the club since the 70's? Possibly even earlier. But he seems in all that time to have acquired not very much common sense. After putting us through the Dowie-Reed farce in 2006 he then replicates it ten years later. His logic seems to be that because we were lucky when we appointed Lawrence in 1982-83 (a manager with coaching certificates but no prior playing or managerial career of any repute) we could have been equally lucky in 2006 and 2016 with the same approach. He clearly doesn't understand - if that is the case - how much the UK game has changed since the 80's.
for me Murray came across as being surprisingly badly informed.
Except Murray is a non executive Chairman and doesn't make any decisions.
I don't think that's the definition of non-executive. It means he doesn't have day-to-day operational input. Clearly the board makes (should make) strategic decisions and Murray is collectively responsible for them, as a matter of law if nothing else. Murray wasn't part of the executive in 2006, when he appointed Dowie (with other board members, although he was the main decision-maker). Duchatelet isn't (formally) an executive director either but that doesn't mean he doesn't make decisions.
Murray joined our clubs board at a crucial time in the fight to return to the valley.
With Roger Alwyn and others like Martin Simmons, and of course the initatives aimed at supporters, they steered us back to the Valley.
Taking over from Roger, he and his growing band of Directors, and with Peter Varney at his side, tapping into the great strength of our supporter base, he steered the ship to the promised land.
The highest high of my supporting life at Wembley, the rebuilding of the stadium, the side packed with internationals. Charlton players in the England team, playing in front of capacity crowds, beating Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and West Ham. These all happened on his watch.
Then the disasters. Dowie, the humbling of Les Reed. Pardew, Parkie and two relegations. The spivs and Chris Powell - false dawn. Finally the RD fiasco.
For me it feels like the wheel has turned full circle. RM has steered the club to success and then to abject failure.
I was prepared to forgive him pretty much everything for the good times but they are long gone.
I think this season has certainly been a season too far for him. Trying justify its disasters by blaming injuries or the length of time given to Fraye are pathetic.
He has stayed engaged at a time when our club has become a complete laughing stock.
Here are some of the reasons why he should have resigned if not before then by now.
1. The bringing in of players without the managers knowledge.
2. Signing players who have never gone on to kick a ball in anger and have gone out on loan
3. Acknowledging that mistakes were made after Riga's first season. Then doing the same at the end of Luzon's first season and then presiding over making the same mistakes again at the start of last season.
4. Staying in post at the "family" club he helped to build after the club released a promotional video of a couple simulating sex on the pitch.
5. Accepting the ridiculous fans sofa idea.
6. Standing by whilst Pinocchio called fans customers and referred to their behaviour as wierd.
7. Keeping his head down as the majority of fans lost faith in the ownership and stewardship of the club. Leading to fans being frisked and betting installed behind the goal at the Covered End.
I am sure I could find more. Most if not all of these were reasons enough on their own to resign.
I feel his time at the club and the fact that he hasn't resigned is like the story of the lobster:
Put a lobster in cold water and gradually heat it up to boiling point and it will die from the heat. Throw it into boiling water and it will leap right out again.
I fear that Richard has been in a slowing simmering pot in the last few years and he stays because he hasn't realised yet that it will finally overwhelm him.
Murray joined our clubs board at a crucial time in the fight to return to the valley.
With Roger Alwyn and others like Martin Simmons, and of course the initatives aimed at supporters, they steered us back to the Valley.
Taking over from Roger, he and his growing band of Directors, and with Peter Varney at his side, tapping into the great strength of our supporter base, he steered the ship to the promised land.
The highest high of my supporting life at Wembley, the rebuilding of the stadium, the side packed with internationals. Charlton players in the England team, playing in front of capacity crowds, beating Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and West Ham. These all happened on his watch.
Then the disasters. Dowie, the humbling of Les Reed. Pardew, Parkie and two relegations. The spivs and Chris Powell - false dawn. Finally the RD fiasco.
For me it feels like the wheel has turned full circle. RM has steered the club to success and then to abject failure.
I was prepared to forgive him pretty much everything for the good times but they are long gone.
I think this season has certainly been a season too far for him. Trying justify its disasters by blaming injuries or the length of time given to Fraye are pathetic.
He has stayed engaged at a time when our club has become a complete laughing stock.
Here are some of the reasons why he should have resigned if not before then by now.
1. The bringing in of players without the managers knowledge.
2. Signing players who have never gone on to kick a ball in anger and have gone out on loan
3. Acknowledging that mistakes were made after Riga's first season. Then doing the same at the end of Luzon's first season and then presiding over making the same mistakes again at the start of last season.
4. Staying in post at the "family" club he helped to build after the club released a promotional video of a couple simulating sex on the pitch.
5. Accepting the ridiculous fans sofa idea.
6. Standing by whilst Pinocchio called fans customers and referred to their behaviour as wierd.
7. Keeping his head down as the majority of fans lost faith in the ownership and stewardship of the club. Leading to fans being frisked and betting installed behind the goal at the Covered End.
I am sure I could find more. Most if not all of these were reasons enough on their own to resign.
I feel his time at the club and the fact that he hasn't resigned is like the story of the lobster:
Put a lobster in cold water and gradually heat it up to boiling point and it will die from the heat. Throw it into boiling water and it will leap right out again.
I fear that Richard has been in a slowing simmering pot in the last few years and he stays because he hasn't realised yet that it will finally overwhelm him.
Reading what he has said here everything is still focused around the fact that nobody at Charlton now can be anything other than a puppet with Duchatelet pulling the strings. The suggestion that Slade will be "a very influential person at the club" says it all. Is Klopp a very influential person at Liverpool? Is Pearson going to be that at Derby? No they are not. They are the most influential people. Everything is built around them. Maybe it will be under Slade but not motivated much by this interview.
At the press conference Slade said more or less what I expected him to say (and what any incoming manager would say) and Meire said what any young, bouncy corporate manager would come out with.........
The most curious comments by far came from Murray. He must have been watching the club since the 70's? Possibly even earlier. But he seems in all that time to have acquired not very much common sense. After putting us through the Dowie-Reed farce in 2006 he then replicates it ten years later. His logic seems to be that because we were lucky when we appointed Lawrence in 1982-83 (a manager with coaching certificates but no prior playing or managerial career of any repute) we could have been equally lucky in 2006 and 2016 with the same approach. He clearly doesn't understand - if that is the case - how much the UK game has changed since the 80's.
for me Murray came across as being surprisingly badly informed.
Except Murray is a non executive Chairman and doesn't make any decisions.
I don't think that's the definition of non-executive. It means he doesn't have day-to-day operational input. Clearly the board makes (should make) strategic decisions and Murray is collectively responsible for them, as a matter of law if nothing else. Murray wasn't part of the executive in 2006, when he appointed Dowie (with other board members, although he was the main decision-maker). Duchatelet isn't (formally) an executive director either but that doesn't mean he doesn't make decisions.
Quite, but Murray isn't making the coach/managerial appointments. I know he didn't agree with Luzon's appointment, because he told me and he knew the fans would not be happy with and trust "Belgian" appointments, so his influence has been negligible.
Where he says we nearly pulled it off I sort of see where he is coming from. I know we were cut a bit adrift by 9 points (10 with goal difference factored in) but he is trying to say is performances in last 3 months or so were not so bad and we did pick up some good results but we were always playing catch up. After the international break it seemed Fulham and Rotherham kept getting good results.
Where he says we nearly pulled it off I sort of see where he is coming from. I know we were cut a bit adrift by 9 points (10 with goal difference factored in) but he is trying to say is performances in last 3 months or so were not so bad and we did pick up some good results but we were always playing catch up. After the international break it seemed Fulham and Rotherham kept getting good results.
We went as close to staying up as Eddie Edwards was close to getting a medal at the 88 Winter Olympics
At the press conference Slade said more or less what I expected him to say (and what any incoming manager would say) and Meire said what any young, bouncy corporate manager would come out with.........
The most curious comments by far came from Murray. He must have been watching the club since the 70's? Possibly even earlier. But he seems in all that time to have acquired not very much common sense. After putting us through the Dowie-Reed farce in 2006 he then replicates it ten years later. His logic seems to be that because we were lucky when we appointed Lawrence in 1982-83 (a manager with coaching certificates but no prior playing or managerial career of any repute) we could have been equally lucky in 2006 and 2016 with the same approach. He clearly doesn't understand - if that is the case - how much the UK game has changed since the 80's.
for me Murray came across as being surprisingly badly informed.
Except Murray is a non executive Chairman and doesn't make any decisions.
I don't think that's the definition of non-executive. It means he doesn't have day-to-day operational input. Clearly the board makes (should make) strategic decisions and Murray is collectively responsible for them, as a matter of law if nothing else. Murray wasn't part of the executive in 2006, when he appointed Dowie (with other board members, although he was the main decision-maker). Duchatelet isn't (formally) an executive director either but that doesn't mean he doesn't make decisions.
Quite, but Murray isn't making the coach/managerial appointments. I know he didn't agree with Luzon's appointment, because he told me and he knew the fans would not be happy with and trust "Belgian" appointments, so his influence has been negligible.
No influence but content to act as cheerleader. Says it all.
At the press conference Slade said more or less what I expected him to say (and what any incoming manager would say) and Meire said what any young, bouncy corporate manager would come out with.........
The most curious comments by far came from Murray. He must have been watching the club since the 70's? Possibly even earlier. But he seems in all that time to have acquired not very much common sense. After putting us through the Dowie-Reed farce in 2006 he then replicates it ten years later. His logic seems to be that because we were lucky when we appointed Lawrence in 1982-83 (a manager with coaching certificates but no prior playing or managerial career of any repute) we could have been equally lucky in 2006 and 2016 with the same approach. He clearly doesn't understand - if that is the case - how much the UK game has changed since the 80's.
for me Murray came across as being surprisingly badly informed.
Except Murray is a non executive Chairman and doesn't make any decisions.
I don't think that's the definition of non-executive. It means he doesn't have day-to-day operational input. Clearly the board makes (should make) strategic decisions and Murray is collectively responsible for them, as a matter of law if nothing else. Murray wasn't part of the executive in 2006, when he appointed Dowie (with other board members, although he was the main decision-maker). Duchatelet isn't (formally) an executive director either but that doesn't mean he doesn't make decisions.
Quite, but Murray isn't making the coach/managerial appointments. I know he didn't agree with Luzon's appointment, because he told me and he knew the fans would not be happy with and trust "Belgian" appointments, so his influence has been negligible.
No influence but content to act as cheerleader. Says it all.
What makes it worse is that he still wants to be seen as 'one of us'. Given his history at the club, I am really amazed at quite how hopeless out of touch with the fans he appears to be.
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Exactly this. Murray said:
“Fraeye knows this club. He has kept a very keen interest. We felt he could come in immediately and make the job his own."
If we'd have got Riga in for those 14-15 games, we'd have had a much better chance of staying up.
Both looked fried. Can't believe Murray believes half of what he spouts. So the only reason we went down were injuries and keeping Fraeye too long? Well, what about appointing Fraeye in the first place? As for their reputations, are we supposed to forget the lies, the silence, the ruining of our club? Even if we get promoted = a big and unlikely if - then we are not even back to where we where when this mob took over.
Murray needs to go. He is now part of the problem and certainly not a solution.
RM: Yeah, go on, then.
It's just that, well, how can I put it? You don't live here no more.
So, the reason we got relegated was because of Fraeye. He contributed of course but the total reason definitely not. We were doomed to go down from the moment RD got rid of our best players and sacked Powell, the only surprise is, it took another 2 seasons for it to happen. A catalogue of bad decisions from the board, of which you firmly sit are the real reason for our decline and a split with fans like I have never seen ever with this club.
Please spare us the bullshit you have stayed to influence, because the whole period of time since RD took over has been a failure.
More like the real reason you pinned your colours to the RD regime was to feed your ego.
You could have left the board ages ago on principal, but you didn't and are still clearly intending to ride out the storm with the regime. Good Luck with that.
But he just says any old bullshit and flip flops at the drop of a hat.
Perhaps you should become an MP Richard ?
It amounts to 'oh look guys I'm one of you I could go any sit with you in the North Stand but instead l'm fighting for you on the inside'.
Well you don't do you Richard? You sit next to Katrien every home game making it pretty clear where your loyalties lay and if you had any real influence there would have been clearer signs of it. Plus, didn't you dismiss the protests at the outset as a message board thing? That comment must have come back to bite a bit later on.
Too late now to try to worm your way out of for ever being tainted by the ducatelet and Meire interlude in the history of the club.
However, as life sometimes dictates, and time passed, you were forced to leave it for longer periods with your neighbour & it gradually became a "timeshare" dog enjoying the benefits of being cared for & loved by two families.
The time came when its days were clearly numbered and being less mobile & a becoming more grumpy by the day, it began to spend more time with the neighbour which, though acceptable, did hurt somewhat. After all, wasn't it YOUR dog ?
But when it would sleep only on the neighbour's bed, eat from the neighbour's bowl, cuddle up to the neighbour on their sofa but choose to only sh*t in YOUR garden, it was time to realise that its loyalties had changed .
A harsh reality check & a sad but clear indication that a dog isn't always for life....
Ring any bells, Richard ?
The most curious comments by far came from Murray. He must have been watching the club since the 70's? Possibly even earlier. But he seems in all that time to have acquired not very much common sense. After putting us through the Dowie-Reed farce in 2006 he then replicates it ten years later. His logic seems to be that because we were lucky when we appointed Lawrence in 1982-83 (a manager with coaching certificates but no prior playing or managerial career of any repute) we could have been equally lucky in 2006 and 2016 with the same approach. He clearly doesn't understand - if that is the case - how much the UK game has changed since the 80's.
for me Murray came across as being surprisingly badly informed.
I remember in the programme at the 1st game back at The Valley it stated he supported Wolves before us.
Job well done and time well spent Mr Murray.
Murray joined our clubs board at a crucial time in the fight to return to the valley.
With Roger Alwyn and others like Martin Simmons, and of course the initatives aimed at supporters, they steered us back to the Valley.
Taking over from Roger, he and his growing band of Directors, and with Peter Varney at his side, tapping into the great strength of our supporter base, he steered the ship to the promised land.
The highest high of my supporting life at Wembley, the rebuilding of the stadium, the side packed with internationals. Charlton players in the England team, playing in front of capacity crowds, beating Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and West Ham. These all happened on his watch.
Then the disasters. Dowie, the humbling of Les Reed. Pardew, Parkie and two relegations. The spivs and Chris Powell - false dawn. Finally the RD fiasco.
For me it feels like the wheel has turned full circle. RM has steered the club to success and then to abject failure.
I was prepared to forgive him pretty much everything for the good times but they are long gone.
I think this season has certainly been a season too far for him. Trying justify its disasters by blaming injuries or the length of time given to Fraye are pathetic.
He has stayed engaged at a time when our club has become a complete laughing stock.
Here are some of the reasons why he should have resigned if not before then by now.
1. The bringing in of players without the managers knowledge.
2. Signing players who have never gone on to kick a ball in anger and have gone out on loan
3. Acknowledging that mistakes were made after Riga's first season. Then doing the same at the end of Luzon's first season and then presiding over making the same mistakes again at the start of last season.
4. Staying in post at the "family" club he helped to build after the club released a promotional video of a couple simulating sex on the pitch.
5. Accepting the ridiculous fans sofa idea.
6. Standing by whilst Pinocchio called fans customers and referred to their behaviour as wierd.
7. Keeping his head down as the majority of fans lost faith in the ownership and stewardship of the club. Leading to fans being frisked and betting installed behind the goal at the Covered End.
I am sure I could find more. Most if not all of these were reasons enough on their own to resign.
I feel his time at the club and the fact that he hasn't resigned is like the story of the lobster:
Put a lobster in cold water and gradually heat it up to boiling point and it will die from the heat. Throw it into boiling water and it will leap right out again.
I fear that Richard has been in a slowing simmering pot in the last few years and he stays because he hasn't realised yet that it will finally overwhelm him.