Old Trafford evacuated. edit: match abandoned.
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but you still hear of cases where someone has had something left inside them, not on your wife's watch obviouslyHenry Irving said:
My wife is an operating theatre senior sister.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
Every operation they count everything, needles, instruments, swabs etc before and after for the obvious reason that if they don't know where they are they might be in the person's body. They don't just leave them. If the count doesn't add up they keep on looking.
Should be same for this lot. If you "planted" 10 "bombs" at the beginning you make sure you have 10 "bombs" at the end. Basic stuff.
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Mainly not in the UK though. And certainly not on Sister Hayes' watch.LargeAddick said:
but you still hear of cases where someone has had something left inside them, not on your wife's watch obviouslyHenry Irving said:
My wife is an operating theatre senior sister.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
Every operation they count everything, needles, instruments, swabs etc before and after for the obvious reason that if they don't know where they are they might be in the person's body. They don't just leave them. If the count doesn't add up they keep on looking.
Should be same for this lot. If you "planted" 10 "bombs" at the beginning you make sure you have 10 "bombs" at the end. Basic stuff.5 -
I read this as 'not your wife's watch' and thinking 'wow, leaving your watch inside someone is a hell of a cock up'. Dodgy strap I guess.LargeAddick said:
but you still hear of cases where someone has had something left inside them, not on your wife's watch obviouslyHenry Irving said:
My wife is an operating theatre senior sister.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
Every operation they count everything, needles, instruments, swabs etc before and after for the obvious reason that if they don't know where they are they might be in the person's body. They don't just leave them. If the count doesn't add up they keep on looking.
Should be same for this lot. If you "planted" 10 "bombs" at the beginning you make sure you have 10 "bombs" at the end. Basic stuff.
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fixed that for youBaldybonce said:
u wot m8kentaddick said:Bloody Moslems coming over here, leaving training exercises everywhere, turning our law into evacuation drills. #britainfirst #whitelivesmatter #voteleave
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They were. Arsene Wenger did the checks but didn't see it.STEVEREEVE said:How come the toilets weren't searched before they let everybody in the stadium?
Maybe that's not how it's done but it worries me a bit!5 -
If they left one of the training devices then it's also pretty telling about how naff their dogs are!Fiiish said:The firm has been named: Security Search Management & Solutions Ltd.
Presumably from the name the firm provides security searching, yet they couldn't even find the device they put there themselves.
Surely after a cock up this big no one would ever hire these clowns again? A business destroyed.
Nah, it's been said that it was a third party firm. It's not uncommon for private firms to provide search dogs and the like.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
You would've thought there was an inventory before and after the training exercise, and you would've also have hoped that the dogs were given a quick run-around the stadium before it opens to the public on a match day..0 -
Manchester dogs are much better sniffing out coke and heroin!LuckyReds said:
If they left one of the training devices then it's also pretty telling about how naff their dogs are!Fiiish said:The firm has been named: Security Search Management & Solutions Ltd.
Presumably from the name the firm provides security searching, yet they couldn't even find the device they put there themselves.
Surely after a cock up this big no one would ever hire these clowns again? A business destroyed.
Nah, it's been said that it was a third party firm. It's not uncommon for private firms to provide search dogs and the like.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
You would've thought there was an inventory before and after the training exercise, and you would've also have hoped that the dogs were given a quick run-around the stadium before it opens to the public on a match day..3 -
Company is from Biggin Hill according to the News Shopper.
The MD is an ex Met Police counter terrorism advisor apparently.
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that reminded me of the old joke with the punchline 'that's not my ring, it's my watch'Fiiish said:
I read this as 'not your wife's watch' and thinking 'wow, leaving your watch inside someone is a hell of a cock up'. Dodgy strap I guess.LargeAddick said:
but you still hear of cases where someone has had something left inside them, not on your wife's watch obviouslyHenry Irving said:
My wife is an operating theatre senior sister.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
Every operation they count everything, needles, instruments, swabs etc before and after for the obvious reason that if they don't know where they are they might be in the person's body. They don't just leave them. If the count doesn't add up they keep on looking.
Should be same for this lot. If you "planted" 10 "bombs" at the beginning you make sure you have 10 "bombs" at the end. Basic stuff.2 - Sponsored links:
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Images like the one on the left, which blow the whole thing out of proportion, show what a pathetic world we live in.
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Quote from the MD of the firm involved:
Managing director Chris Reid said: "It is a very unfortunate situation and the consequences obviously were that a lot of people were inconvenienced.
Hmm, not a single 'sorry' or 'we made a mistake' or any concession there. Did he go to the same school of PR as Katrien?
"Fortunately, everybody was fine which is the most important thing."
Of course if Katrien was involved she would be demanding that the police pay for a replacement fake device to compensate for the one destroyed in the controlled explosion.0 -
Absolutely. Along with a dirty great sticker on the 'device' saying 'this is not a live device and is used for training purposes only'; along with a phone number written in large numerics detailing who to ring to confirm such. It really is basics.LuckyReds said:
If they left one of the training devices then it's also pretty telling about how naff their dogs are!Fiiish said:The firm has been named: Security Search Management & Solutions Ltd.
Presumably from the name the firm provides security searching, yet they couldn't even find the device they put there themselves.
Surely after a cock up this big no one would ever hire these clowns again? A business destroyed.
Nah, it's been said that it was a third party firm. It's not uncommon for private firms to provide search dogs and the like.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
You would've thought there was an inventory before and after the training exercise, and you would've also have hoped that the dogs were given a quick run-around the stadium before it opens to the public on a match day..2 -
Hmm, not a single 'sorry' or 'we made a mistake' or any concession there. Did he go to the same school of PR as Katrien?Fiiish said:Quote from the MD of the firm involved:
Managing director Chris Reid said: "It is a very unfortunate situation and the consequences obviously were that a lot of people were inconvenienced.
"Fortunately, everybody was fine which is the most important thing."
Of course if Katrien was involved she would be demanding that the police pay for a replacement fake device to compensate for the one destroyed in the controlled explosion.
I imagine he's been advised NOT to admit guilt in public, before the lawyers get involved.
It's the same thing as drivers in a car crash being advised not to admit guilt at the time, even if it's clear which party is to blame1 -
Apparently there was a phone number but it was a London-based number and not written in the correct formatting so no one recognised it as a phone number.bazjonster said:
Absolutely. Along with a dirty great sticker on the 'device' saying 'this is not a live device and is used for training purposes only'; along with a phone number written in large numerics detailing who to ring to confirm such. It really is basics.LuckyReds said:
If they left one of the training devices then it's also pretty telling about how naff their dogs are!Fiiish said:The firm has been named: Security Search Management & Solutions Ltd.
Presumably from the name the firm provides security searching, yet they couldn't even find the device they put there themselves.
Surely after a cock up this big no one would ever hire these clowns again? A business destroyed.
Nah, it's been said that it was a third party firm. It's not uncommon for private firms to provide search dogs and the like.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
You would've thought there was an inventory before and after the training exercise, and you would've also have hoped that the dogs were given a quick run-around the stadium before it opens to the public on a match day..14 -
That's exactly what I'd write on my bomb if I was a terrorist.bazjonster said:
Absolutely. Along with a dirty great sticker on the 'device' saying 'this is not a live device and is used for training purposes only'; along with a phone number written in large numerics detailing who to ring to confirm such. It really is basics.LuckyReds said:
If they left one of the training devices then it's also pretty telling about how naff their dogs are!Fiiish said:The firm has been named: Security Search Management & Solutions Ltd.
Presumably from the name the firm provides security searching, yet they couldn't even find the device they put there themselves.
Surely after a cock up this big no one would ever hire these clowns again? A business destroyed.
Nah, it's been said that it was a third party firm. It's not uncommon for private firms to provide search dogs and the like.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
You would've thought there was an inventory before and after the training exercise, and you would've also have hoped that the dogs were given a quick run-around the stadium before it opens to the public on a match day..10 -
Even so, even armed forces and police marksmen paint dummy/training guns, ammo, explosives bright orange or green to signify that they are 'non-lethal'. It really is basic stuff.LouisMend said:
That's exactly what I'd write on my bomb if I was a terrorist.bazjonster said:
Absolutely. Along with a dirty great sticker on the 'device' saying 'this is not a live device and is used for training purposes only'; along with a phone number written in large numerics detailing who to ring to confirm such. It really is basics.LuckyReds said:
If they left one of the training devices then it's also pretty telling about how naff their dogs are!Fiiish said:The firm has been named: Security Search Management & Solutions Ltd.
Presumably from the name the firm provides security searching, yet they couldn't even find the device they put there themselves.
Surely after a cock up this big no one would ever hire these clowns again? A business destroyed.
Nah, it's been said that it was a third party firm. It's not uncommon for private firms to provide search dogs and the like.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
You would've thought there was an inventory before and after the training exercise, and you would've also have hoped that the dogs were given a quick run-around the stadium before it opens to the public on a match day..
Man Utd themselves seem to be getting a lot of flak what would appear to be the mistakes of two separate third-party firms who they trusted to do the service. The thing though is surely there is a Chief of Security or whatever the equivalent of a 'Premises Manager' is for Old Trafford who would be ultimately responsible for security, therefore they should have known that there was a training exercise during the week involving fake devices being planted, as well as being one of the first people to be informed that a device was found when it first came to light. So either this person exists and they didn't put two and two together, or the person who runs matchday security at Old Trafford had absolutely no idea this exercise took place, in which case there are serious failings in the alignment of responsibilities. I imagine there are likely statutory guidelines in place for what is a position of significant responsibility.0 -
Fiiish said:
Apparently there was a phone number but it was a London-based number and not written in the correct formatting so no one recognised it as a phone number.bazjonster said:
Absolutely. Along with a dirty great sticker on the 'device' saying 'this is not a live device and is used for training purposes only'; along with a phone number written in large numerics detailing who to ring to confirm such. It really is basics.LuckyReds said:
If they left one of the training devices then it's also pretty telling about how naff their dogs are!Fiiish said:The firm has been named: Security Search Management & Solutions Ltd.
Presumably from the name the firm provides security searching, yet they couldn't even find the device they put there themselves.
Surely after a cock up this big no one would ever hire these clowns again? A business destroyed.
Nah, it's been said that it was a third party firm. It's not uncommon for private firms to provide search dogs and the like.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
You would've thought there was an inventory before and after the training exercise, and you would've also have hoped that the dogs were given a quick run-around the stadium before it opens to the public on a match day..
Was it written as 0208 then?
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Nah it was one of those new fangled London numbers that shouldn't be eritten 0203.0
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Apparently, the device had been erroneously signed back in at the end of the exercise, so it looks like they did have a system to count the devices in and out, but somewhere this went wrong.
Given that fact, and with the safety of thousands of spectators at stake, you can't really criticise the immediate response - any doubt at all and they need to treat it like a genuine threat.
However, the one sentence which doesn't seem to ring true with the rest of the story for me is this:
The routine sweep of the ground by sniffer dogs on matchday would not have detected the contraption as it did not include explosives, and it was actually discovered by a steward who alerted security.
If the device couldn't have been expected to have been found by sniffer dogs, because it contains no explosives, then what was it doing being used in a training exercise for sniffer dogs?
I would have thought that these training devices would contain trace amounts of explosives, or else some other similar substance designed to obtain the same response from the dogs - otherwise what's the point?3 -
Your wife is a Sister?Henry Irving said:
Mainly not in the UK though. And certainly not on Sister Hayes' watch.LargeAddick said:
but you still hear of cases where someone has had something left inside them, not on your wife's watch obviouslyHenry Irving said:
My wife is an operating theatre senior sister.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
Every operation they count everything, needles, instruments, swabs etc before and after for the obvious reason that if they don't know where they are they might be in the person's body. They don't just leave them. If the count doesn't add up they keep on looking.
Should be same for this lot. If you "planted" 10 "bombs" at the beginning you make sure you have 10 "bombs" at the end. Basic stuff.
It's like the start of the Addams Family song.4 -
A medical procedure which to date has a 100% success rate.Henry Irving said:
My wife is an operating theatre senior sister.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
Every operation they count everything, needles, instruments, swabs etc before and after for the obvious reason that if they don't know where they are they might be in the person's body. They don't just leave them. If the count doesn't add up they keep on looking.
Should be same for this lot. If you "planted" 10 "bombs" at the beginning you make sure you have 10 "bombs" at the end. Basic stuff.
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Well, there's the confusion - Biggin Hill numbers start 01959...Curb_It said:Fiiish said:
Apparently there was a phone number but it was a London-based number and not written in the correct formatting so no one recognised it as a phone number.bazjonster said:
Absolutely. Along with a dirty great sticker on the 'device' saying 'this is not a live device and is used for training purposes only'; along with a phone number written in large numerics detailing who to ring to confirm such. It really is basics.LuckyReds said:
If they left one of the training devices then it's also pretty telling about how naff their dogs are!Fiiish said:The firm has been named: Security Search Management & Solutions Ltd.
Presumably from the name the firm provides security searching, yet they couldn't even find the device they put there themselves.
Surely after a cock up this big no one would ever hire these clowns again? A business destroyed.
Nah, it's been said that it was a third party firm. It's not uncommon for private firms to provide search dogs and the like.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
You would've thought there was an inventory before and after the training exercise, and you would've also have hoped that the dogs were given a quick run-around the stadium before it opens to the public on a match day..
Was it written as 0208 then?
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Man Utd security staff reportedly checked the toilet before the ground was open and didn't find it either, it was hanging on the back of the door - doesn't paint them in a good light0
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Is it wise to ring a number printed on a bomb?Fiiish said:
Apparently there was a phone number but it was a London-based number and not written in the correct formatting so no one recognised it as a phone number.bazjonster said:
Absolutely. Along with a dirty great sticker on the 'device' saying 'this is not a live device and is used for training purposes only'; along with a phone number written in large numerics detailing who to ring to confirm such. It really is basics.LuckyReds said:
If they left one of the training devices then it's also pretty telling about how naff their dogs are!Fiiish said:The firm has been named: Security Search Management & Solutions Ltd.
Presumably from the name the firm provides security searching, yet they couldn't even find the device they put there themselves.
Surely after a cock up this big no one would ever hire these clowns again? A business destroyed.
Nah, it's been said that it was a third party firm. It's not uncommon for private firms to provide search dogs and the like.LargeAddick said:are the Police not to blame. I thought the 'devices' were planted for the Police to find, if so surely they knew how many they were searching for or can no-one in the Old Bill count?
You would've thought there was an inventory before and after the training exercise, and you would've also have hoped that the dogs were given a quick run-around the stadium before it opens to the public on a match day..9 -
So all I have taken from this is to paint my bomb bright green or orange, stick a big old training purposes only sticker on it, and provide a helpful number to ring for more information on the bomb, which just so happens to be the detonation device for said bomb? It's all a bit too easy isn't it?1
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Bit weird. It's not an edited picture, it's what happened. The kid got very upset, either because the football was cancelled or because he was scared of the 'bomb' or perhaps both. That tells you what this experience was like for him. It's not blowing things out of proportion, it's just showing what happened.Riviera said:Images like the one on the left, which blow the whole thing out of proportion, show what a pathetic world we live in.
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that excuse would make more sense at AnfieldCharltonparklane said:
Toilet was checked, security see a device with wires hanging out and just presumed it was someone's car radio.STEVEREEVE said:How come the toilets weren't searched before they let everybody in the stadium?
Maybe that's not how it's done but it worries me a bit!
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