Clearly this has broken down. He has been given permission to talk to the club but Daisy doesn't speak to anyone any more, so he's still in reception waiting for her.
They're probably still waiting for her e-mail response from the meeting request...
He's cheap, British, and I assume gets the best out of players, and knows an English bargain I expect too, so all up Duche's street with some elements reflecting the current climate. I suspect Muzza's input there.
In another era we might welcome it and not be so sceptical but there's been to much water under the bridge, too many lies and broken promises, and too many other indicators of more of the same.
Do none of us think Jacko maybe be behind this pending appointment!!?? Didn't he say in an interview that he will be advising the club on signings etc hmmm
If it happens it's the first step of many required. They must have offered quite a reward package.
I'm not convinced just because he's done well in league 2 and below means he'll be a success here. His first job will be to persuade players to join, that won't be an easy task and he'll need people like Jacko to help. That said he's clearly better caliber than at least Luzon & Peters and probably Riga. Is he better than Powell where we started this awful journey, probably not.
RD probably needs to put in an extra double figure millions to enable turnover to be high enough to enable the right level of salaries to be paid to players for us to do well, I just don't see that happening. This is an appointment of a man who's been successful in a tight budget.
Outside of that with the income levels as they are and with many not returning to their seat next year we aren't going to be challenging for the title like we did with SCP, play offs would be the best we could hope for.
I wish him luck if he takes on the poison challis, I so hope it works, only time will tell.
1st job in my opinion is to tell the players they ain't all going. Those that have had long term injuries owe us big time and none of them deserve to be able to leave just because they will be on reduced wages - they signed the bloody things and are partly to blame for our relegation. Not unreasonable to ask them to give us at least to January IMO.
You would expect us to be happy to reduce costs , but if Roland wants to get back in one year we need the quality. Any money made from transfers should be made available to the new manager and this should be in a statement from the club.
We are told we are financial safe so a fire sale not needed. Players that are to be sold need to go for good money as well - it is what Roland does!
Agree, however do you not get the feeling that players like Diarra and Kashi (despite how good they are) are not the type of player that he 1) knows or 2) wants ? - I get the feeling he's more of a typical English coach with running ,chasing and hoofing being the priority.
This.
If you look at the group of players we hope might stay, none of them fall into this category, it's why I believe getting in Warnock in January wouldn't have worked. How is CW/AK going to pitch Bauer, Kashi, Diarra, Motta, even Jordan Cousins at this stage of his career? "Yeah, yeah, you've played abroad, but you've never been trained to be properly up for the fight."
Second, that type of football has a ceiling, and it seems to be dropping year on year. Good way to tell is watching where Mick McCarthy's clubs finish .
I think Alou Diarra put it best when he described what it was like playing under Allardyce: "I did well in training but it just wasn't football. They played a lot of long balls but for me that is too easy. I've always played hard stuff. I like to get into position with pressure."
I think a good manager finds a way with the resources he has at his disposal - going to a potless Northampton struggling to avoid relegation, Wilder impressively found a way. With some better quality players at his disposal, it is unreasonable to suggest he won't be able to manage them.
I think a good manager finds a way with the resources he has at his disposal - going to a potless Northampton struggling to avoid relegation, Wilder impressively found a way. With some better quality players at his disposal, it is unreasonable to suggest he won't be able to manage them.
Better quality players at his disposal. Let's wait and see.
If he signs will he have a press conference right away?
The squirrel the Rat and Judas in attendance sitting beside him? That would be a strange sight.
That's a given. It will be a sign that in their minds they have turned a corner, with fans and the media, unlike they way they have sneaked their previous appointments in under the radar. They have three months of no abuse, no embarrassing home matches and are going to make the most of it. Expect lots of mentions of managerial independence, Roland full backing etc and requests that the fans put the past behind them and get behind the club.
This Thread I suspect is about to take a turn for the worse today.
I'm taking whatever happens as good news. If Wilder signs, then it looks like we may have a decent manager. If he doesn't, so much the better, because it will be another nail in Duchatelet's footballing coffin.
The club site has announced talks with Wilder, so if he signs he will clearly be the underling of the regime.
How can he be viewed differently?
He can't exactly say 'thanks for the job boss, but you're an idiot and you can bog off now' (he can try).
Therefore the initial assumption is that he has the same constraints as Riga, Luzon, Peeters and Fraeye, as well as the kind of destructive pressure that Chris Powell had.
Why should we assume differently?
Now I don't know if Chris Wilder is prone to telling lies, but we know the regime tells lies all the time which is the sauce for their crass incompetence in all areas of their work.
On that basis the only people to listen to initially will be Wilder and Knill themselves, and even then with huge suspicion. Any or all club based announcements ought to be assumed to be barefaced shameless cynical lies until events prove otherwise.
I believe the best approach is for actions to scream and for words to whisper.
Even if we do well under Wilder and Knill we will only be back where we started anyway, but with less good players and more debt. And we will still be stuck with this (credit to Glasshalfull for the term) 'army of occupation'.
In addition, if Chris Wilder is as blunt and indeed full of himself that some say, he is going to have to deliver in spades to justify such a stance, he will have taken the job of his own free will and therefore he will have to accept full responsibility no if's no buts. Wilder cannot say, given our recent history, that he was deceived and unsupported because he should know full well what he is getting into.
My final comment is about Wilder and the fans. It has been reported elsewhere that he blames the fans for stuff. Hmmmnnn.
If we fans boo and slaughter him and his team for ninety minutes for 46 games in a row he should still stay quiet and shut up about it. He doesn't have to praise us, we know who we are, but it would be a mistake of terminal proportions, given what we've been through, for Wilder or Knill or any regime representative to have a go at the fans.
You can probably guess that I'm not exactly in the cut some slack give the bloke a chance camp. If he arrives here with his eyes wide open then he will have to be able to deal with it all.
The club site has announced talks with Wilder, so if he signs he will clearly be the underling of the regime.
How can he be viewed differently?
He can't exactly say 'thanks for the job boss, but you're an idiot and you can bog off now' (he can try).
Therefore the initial assumption is that he has the same constraints as Riga, Luzon, Peeters and Fraeye, as well as the kind of destructive pressure that Chris Powell had.
Why should we assume differently?
Now I don't know if Chris Wilder is prone to telling lies, but we know the regime tells lies all the time which is the sauce for their crass incompetence in all areas of their work.
On that basis the only people to listen to initially will be Wilder and Knill themselves, and even then with huge suspicion. Any or all club based announcements ought to be assumed to be barefaced shameless cynical lies until events prove otherwise.
I believe the best approach is for actions to scream and for words to whisper.
Even if we do well under Wilder and Knill we will only be back where we started anyway, but with less good players and more debt. And we will still be stuck with this (credit to Glasshalfull for the term) 'army of occupation'.
In addition, if Chris Wilder is as blunt and indeed full of himself that some say, he is going to have to deliver in spades to justify such a stance, he will have taken the job of his own free will and therefore he will have to accept full responsibility no if's no buts. Wilder cannot say, given our recent history, that he was deceived and unsupported because he should know full well what he is getting into.
My final comment is about Wilder and the fans. It has been reported elsewhere that he blames the fans for stuff. Hmmmnnn.
If we fans boo and slaughter him and his team for ninety minutes for 46 games in a row he should still stay quiet and shut up about it. He doesn't have to praise us, we know who we are, but it would be a mistake of terminal proportions, given what we've been through, for Wilder or Knill or any regime representative to have a go at the fans.
You can probably guess that I'm not exactly in the cut some slack give the bloke a chance camp. If he arrives here with his eyes wide open then he will have to be able to deal with it all.
Its probably taken a bit longer to iron out the details because we've had to do a deal that requires both Wilder and Knill to accept, its not just a case of hiring the one bloke so on that basis should take twice as long.
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They only said they were talking yesterday.
Although never underestimate KM and RD's ability to fuck up
Don't have nightmeires.
If you look at the group of players we hope might stay, none of them fall into this category, it's why I believe getting in Warnock in January wouldn't have worked. How is CW/AK going to pitch Bauer, Kashi, Diarra, Motta, even Jordan Cousins at this stage of his career? "Yeah, yeah, you've played abroad, but you've never been trained to be properly up for the fight."
Second, that type of football has a ceiling, and it seems to be dropping year on year. Good way to tell is watching where Mick McCarthy's clubs finish
I think Alou Diarra put it best when he described what it was like playing under Allardyce:
"I did well in training but it just wasn't football. They played a lot of long balls but for me that is too easy. I've always played hard stuff. I like to get into position with pressure."
#TeamAlou
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The squirrel the Rat and Judas in attendance sitting beside him? That would be a strange sight.
How can he be viewed differently?
He can't exactly say 'thanks for the job boss, but you're an idiot and you can bog off now' (he can try).
Therefore the initial assumption is that he has the same constraints as Riga, Luzon, Peeters and Fraeye, as well as the kind of destructive pressure that Chris Powell had.
Why should we assume differently?
Now I don't know if Chris Wilder is prone to telling lies, but we know the regime tells lies all the time which is the sauce for their crass incompetence in all areas of their work.
On that basis the only people to listen to initially will be Wilder and Knill themselves, and even then with huge suspicion. Any or all club based announcements ought to be assumed to be barefaced shameless cynical lies until events prove otherwise.
I believe the best approach is for actions to scream and for words to whisper.
Even if we do well under Wilder and Knill we will only be back where we started anyway, but with less good players and more debt. And we will still be stuck with this (credit to Glasshalfull for the term) 'army of occupation'.
In addition, if Chris Wilder is as blunt and indeed full of himself that some say, he is going to have to deliver in spades to justify such a stance, he will have taken the job of his own free will and therefore he will have to accept full responsibility no if's no buts. Wilder cannot say, given our recent history, that he was deceived and unsupported because he should know full well what he is getting into.
My final comment is about Wilder and the fans. It has been reported elsewhere that he blames the fans for stuff. Hmmmnnn.
If we fans boo and slaughter him and his team for ninety minutes for 46 games in a row he should still stay quiet and shut up about it. He doesn't have to praise us, we know who we are, but it would be a mistake of terminal proportions, given what we've been through, for Wilder or Knill or any regime representative to have a go at the fans.
You can probably guess that I'm not exactly in the cut some slack give the bloke a chance camp. If he arrives here with his eyes wide open then he will have to be able to deal with it all.
What do you think? He now wants more money or more assurances?
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