Rumour at work from a Northampton fan... Yep one of those,
He says he is in the know but I don't know how true that is...
He says the Wilder deal is pretty much wrapped up. It sounds like there is going to be a large chunk of spending money that will give us the biggest budget in League 1.
I'm not sure I believe Duchatelet would commit to that, or how these details would leak, but thought I'd share anyway.
Comments I read from Kelvin Thomas seem to suggest as much. I'm sure Thomas would know exactly how far down the road they are and when he was first approached etc. It seems certain that this didn't just all start yesterday as the press releases suggest.
Might also go some way to explaining Riga's resignation. If the Wilder approach first happened a while ago then they must have agreed to compensate Riga. If they didn't he will have a pretty good 'constructive dismissal' case.
No he won't.
I doubt there will ever be a manager under RD that clocks up 2 years service!
Rumour at work from a Northampton fan... Yep one of those,
He says he is in the know but I don't know how true that is...
He says the Wilder deal is pretty much wrapped up. It sounds like there is going to be a large chunk of spending money that will give us the biggest budget in League 1.
I'm not sure I believe Duchatelet would commit to that, or how these details would leak, but thought I'd share anyway.
Comments I read from Kelvin Thomas seem to suggest as much. I'm sure Thomas would know exactly how far down the road they are and when he was first approached etc. It seems certain that this didn't just all start yesterday as the press releases suggest.
Might also go some way to explaining Riga's resignation. If the Wilder approach first happened a while ago then they must have agreed to compensate Riga. If they didn't he will have a pretty good 'constructive dismissal' case.
No he won't.
I doubt there will ever be a manager under RD that clocks up 2 years service!
Breach of contract, rather than constructive dismissal. But I think they will have done a deal last week.
Rumour at work from a Northampton fan... Yep one of those,
He says he is in the know but I don't know how true that is...
He says the Wilder deal is pretty much wrapped up. It sounds like there is going to be a large chunk of spending money that will give us the biggest budget in League 1.
I'm not sure I believe Duchatelet would commit to that, or how these details would leak, but thought I'd share anyway.
Comments I read from Kelvin Thomas seem to suggest as much. I'm sure Thomas would know exactly how far down the road they are and when he was first approached etc. It seems certain that this didn't just all start yesterday as the press releases suggest.
Might also go some way to explaining Riga's resignation. If the Wilder approach first happened a while ago then they must have agreed to compensate Riga. If they didn't he will have a pretty good 'constructive dismissal' case.
No he won't.
I doubt there will ever be a manager under RD that clocks up 2 years service!
Breach of contract, rather than constructive dismissal. But I think they will have done a deal last week.
Yes - there would have been a termination clause in his contract that the club would be contractually obliged to honour - or indeed face a breach of contract claim if they chose not to.
Rumour at work from a Northampton fan... Yep one of those,
He says he is in the know but I don't know how true that is...
He says the Wilder deal is pretty much wrapped up. It sounds like there is going to be a large chunk of spending money that will give us the biggest budget in League 1.
I'm not sure I believe Duchatelet would commit to that, or how these details would leak, but thought I'd share anyway.
Comments I read from Kelvin Thomas seem to suggest as much. I'm sure Thomas would know exactly how far down the road they are and when he was first approached etc. It seems certain that this didn't just all start yesterday as the press releases suggest.
Might also go some way to explaining Riga's resignation. If the Wilder approach first happened a while ago then they must have agreed to compensate Riga. If they didn't he will have a pretty good 'constructive dismissal' case.
No he won't.
I doubt there will ever be a manager under RD that clocks up 2 years service!
Breach of contract, rather than constructive dismissal. But I think they will have done a deal last week.
Yes - there would have been a termination clause in his contract that the club would be contractually obliged to honour - or indeed face a breach of contract claim if they chose not to.
Fair enough. Would it be reasonable to assume that there must now be a small chunk of the Club's liabilities representing sums paid or owed to Powell, Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, and Riga (episode 2)?
Please remember we are where we are today after 30 months of belligerent mismanagement.
Whether the current initiative is as a result of embracing a sustainable change of direction is a) open to debate b) likely to remain unproven for a considerable period. As it stands the Wilder approach could be no more than a grudging acknowledgement of a failed process or the equivalent of throwing a starving man a stale crust.
Whether this executive has truly embraced the need for change and a "Wilder type" appointment is part and parcel of a root and branch change of management then there is considerably more to be done.
You might consider the thoughts of Messrs Powell, Riga, Peeters, Luzon, (Fraeye was always an irrelevance) and Riga again if this regime has indeed had a road to Damascus moment.
You must also consider whether this initiative has been forced because quite simply this executive, to stop our slide into oblivion, have literally nowhere else to go.
Having lost all credibility with supporters, with the industry and the media they are in desperate need of anyone's market credibility simply to have any ability to trade. They individually lack a gram of the market knowledge to make any sane attempt to even start to unravel the problems they have created across the business.
Every managerial/head coach appointment is a risk for all parties.
If Wilder is the right man then he will have done/ do more to ensure his success in the past/ next 24/48hrs in laying down the rules of operation across all aspects of the club before he even enters his office.
Intrinsic to that process will be the need to manage the recruitment process in all aspects of negotiation. At which point Wilder will be only part of the solution. Other fundamental change is needed and needed now.
In truth there is little more any prospective manager can do. There is always some leap of faith involved
Whether based on their track record to this point he and indeed we can trust this regime will honour its part of any such arrangement is quite another matter.
I urge those hoping/ wishing/ desperate to hang onto any crumb of comfort to wait to let us see some clear actions in support of a fully viable sustainable football squad worthy of the club we have supported over the decades.
No one should underestimate the damage that has been done to the fabric of the club by the ignorance, arrogance and sheer bloody incompetence of this regime. A few sticking plasters here and there will achieve nothing. Major surgery is required.
The questions concerning the ability, competence, understanding and ambitions of the "surgeon at the helm" to effect the changes needed must and will rightly long remain. As such there is no compelling reason to change any call for the departure of the man who has put us in this mess in the first place.
one thing is that RD is not completely stupid. As a businessmen he must understand that his SMT, not him, have failed and for his experiment to get back on track the team must get back to the Championship and so CW and a temporary suspension of his football experiment.
In our terms his SMT have failed but do we know for sure that he sees things the way we do ?
Good to see that RD is after someone who has experience of getting a club out of the Conference and division two. Perhaps RD expects us to fall even further ? Be Prepared !
The hypocrisy in this place is something else at times (or as plenty of you like to repeatedly type, beyond parody). If this is the beginning of a complete change of approach and RD does do everything that we have been asking of him and it produces results on the pitch then what's the problem? Surely that's what everyone wants isn't it?
Admittedly that is unlikely but we are all talking about hypotheticals in this thread but assuming it was a complete u turn then I don't see the problem. Seems to me that many on here want RD to back down and change his mindset but then aren't willing to do so themselves.
The hypocrisy in this place is something else at times (or as plenty of you like to repeatedly type, beyond parody). If this is the beginning of a complete change of approach and RD does do everything that we have been asking of him and it produces results on the pitch then what's the problem? Surely that's what everyone wants isn't it?
Admittedly that is unlikely but we are all talking about hypotheticals in this thread but assuming it was a complete u turn then I don't see the problem. Seems to me that many on here want RD to back down and change his mindset but then aren't willing to do so themselves.
A year or so ago, that was what most wanted.
Because of what has happened in the interim, it is not now about RD backing down but RD selling up.
Could kick you lot down the stairs once a day for 4 years, then on a leap year not do so and give you a sweet, you'd be waxing lyrical about how lovely I am..
sounds like your another that has lost site of what the protests were about - affecting change - this is a step in the right direction - he's not going to sell til we r back up so like it or not, we need this to work - he can then sell - forget the personalities - km and rd being defeated and going has become more important to some than the health of the club - if you want to protest until they go thats up to you - if we start well and it is clear the network nonsense is finished then i'm behind it and the protests will become a pain in the arse next year - if this is all another load of hot air then i'll be back in protest mode but we need this to work as much as he does - probably more.
Like your tummy rubbed obviously. Dribbling with excitement no doubt.
The protests are about getting Duchatalet out. Simple.
but he clearly isn't going to is he or are you going to offer him enough money to go? - didn't think so
one thing is that RD is not completely stupid. As a businessmen he must understand that his SMT, not him, have failed and for his experiment to get back on track the team must get back to the Championship and so CW and a temporary suspension of his football experiment.
In our terms his SMT have failed but do we know for sure that he sees things the way we do ?
Relegation is failure, no matter which way you look at it. Duchatelet will know that and he will want a quick return to the Championship. It's also the case that if they get things as wrong in this division as they did the Championship, Roland can basically kiss his investment goodbye. He will never recover the money he put in either through sale of the club or breaking even, and he would have to bankroll the club for years just to stay afloat. At that point, I don't see any other solution than for him to sell up at a massive loss.
He needs us to get promoted, quickly. The only question is, how much is he willing to spend to ensure that happens?
one thing is that RD is not completely stupid. As a businessmen he must understand that his SMT, not him, have failed and for his experiment to get back on track the team must get back to the Championship and so CW and a temporary suspension of his football experiment.
In our terms his SMT have failed but do we know for sure that he sees things the way we do ?
Relegation is failure, no matter which way you look at it. Duchatelet will know that and he will want a quick return to the Championship. It's also the case that if they get things as wrong in this division as they did the Championship, Roland can basically kiss his investment goodbye. He will never recover the money he put in either through sale of the club or breaking even, and he would have to bankroll the club for years just to stay afloat. At that point, I don't see any other solution than for him to sell up at a massive loss.
He needs us to get promoted, quickly. The only question is, how much is he willing to spend to ensure that happens?
I was thinking specifically about his SMT. He appointed an idiot with no experience as CEO. I think he was planning to run us remotely with the Valley operation almost on a lights-out basis. The SMT may have fallen short of his expectations but not by much I would suggest.
my personal view is this is an attempt to get back up but it won't work - however - the quickest way to get rid of rd is to get back up so it will get my support at least to start with
With respect, how is a league two manager a suitable choice for a championship club? He might be British, but that does not mean he's an inspired signing by any means
Erm, his present club have just been promoted to Division 3. And Charlton are no longer a Championship club.
Apologies, I must not have paid attention for the last 12 months! (sarcasm) If you want to be technical, the leagues aren't even settled yet.
My point is that CW has done well at a L2 club - this does not mean he has what it takes to deliver at a Championship who should be looking to outright win L1 next season. Northampton's aim is wildly different to ours and who's qualified enough to say that CW is qualified for that job?
He might not be D3 belgium, but he's still D4/D5 england. We should be looking for a manager from above, not below. Uninspired choice in my eyes.
Who in their right mind from above would come here? unless they were out the job (no doubt having failed else where) This is the best thing we could have done with what under the circumstances getting in a youngish manager on the up. Will it work? No one knows, there is no such thing is a sure thing with appointing managers, every decision is a gamble as it seems certain managers suit certain clubs etc. Time will tell I suppose.
The hypocrisy in this place is something else at times (or as plenty of you like to repeatedly type, beyond parody). If this is the beginning of a complete change of approach and RD does do everything that we have been asking of him and it produces results on the pitch then what's the problem? Surely that's what everyone wants isn't it?
Admittedly that is unlikely but we are all talking about hypotheticals in this thread but assuming it was a complete u turn then I don't see the problem. Seems to me that many on here want RD to back down and change his mindset but then aren't willing to do so themselves.
A year or so ago, that was what most wanted.
Because of what has happened in the interim, it is not now about RD backing down but RD selling up.
Just to caveat this before I type, I know it is highly unlikely, but, if he was to invest in a team and coaching and everything was left well alone and we got back to a position where the club is pushing towards the playoff places in the Championship. You would carry on protesting about him?
one thing is that RD is not completely stupid. As a businessmen he must understand that his SMT, not him, have failed and for his experiment to get back on track the team must get back to the Championship and so CW and a temporary suspension of his football experiment.
In our terms his SMT have failed but do we know for sure that he sees things the way we do ?
Relegation is failure, no matter which way you look at it. Duchatelet will know that and he will want a quick return to the Championship. It's also the case that if they get things as wrong in this division as they did the Championship, Roland can basically kiss his investment goodbye. He will never recover the money he put in either through sale of the club or breaking even, and he would have to bankroll the club for years just to stay afloat. At that point, I don't see any other solution than for him to sell up at a massive loss.
He needs us to get promoted, quickly. The only question is, how much is he willing to spend to ensure that happens?
I was thinking specifically about his SMT. He appointed an idiot with no experience as CEO. I think he was planning to run us remotely with the Valley operation almost on a lights-out basis. The SMT may have fallen short of his expectations but not by much I would suggest.
The problem is of course, without knowing exactly what KM is responsible for herself, it's hard to judge whether she (and the rest of her 'team') have succeeded. I mean what does she actually do? The only thing she has done from my point of view is make Roly look more and more stupid as the months have passed. But of course, Roland needs to take that on the chin, because as you rightly say, he effectively sent her into the lions den without any experience whatsoever.
It's a tough one to answer quite honestly, because we can't guess the remit.
The hypocrisy in this place is something else at times (or as plenty of you like to repeatedly type, beyond parody). If this is the beginning of a complete change of approach and RD does do everything that we have been asking of him and it produces results on the pitch then what's the problem? Surely that's what everyone wants isn't it?
Admittedly that is unlikely but we are all talking about hypotheticals in this thread but assuming it was a complete u turn then I don't see the problem. Seems to me that many on here want RD to back down and change his mindset but then aren't willing to do so themselves.
A year or so ago, that was what most wanted.
Because of what has happened in the interim, it is not now about RD backing down but RD selling up.
Just to caveat this before I type, I know it is highly unlikely, but, if he was to invest in a team and coaching and everything was left well alone and we got back to a position where the club is pushing towards the playoff places in the Championship. You would carry on protesting about him?
Exactly, extremely unlikely ... but, for the record:
- if he was allowed to invest in the team - if he had total control over the footballing aspects of the club - if the scouting network reported to him - if he could choose his own staff - if KM was moved out of the club - if Roland stayed away and did not interfere in anything to do with football
Then, maybe, I would contemplate how far my protests should go.
Wilder given full control? I'll believe it when I see it. This lot are liars to the core - there will be fiddling because they think they know better than anyone.
Meire the incompetent needs to go. There will be no reconciliation with the fan base until she does as she's burned every bridge she can find.
At this stage it's almost secondary how good a manger he is. If he's a manager not prepared to take any shit from this regime it will mean we have someone working on the inside, doing what Murray should have been doing, that might at least halt the slide into oblivion.
Results and player transfers are not what matters until we get proof of a fundamental change in mindset of the owner, like removing the squirrel. There is no future for any improving relationship between the fans and the management while she remains in her post.
She needs to be removed because RD sees it as necessary as a clear indication of his failure, not hers. Not saying she was not a failure, but she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time to do the wrong job.
If there is clear evidence of RD in retreat, the protests might change in intensity or focus, but they do not stop until either RD goes or, like a good referee, we forget he is there, don't give him stick unless he starts kicking the ball around, and appreciate there would be no game without him.
The hypocrisy in this place is something else at times (or as plenty of you like to repeatedly type, beyond parody). If this is the beginning of a complete change of approach and RD does do everything that we have been asking of him and it produces results on the pitch then what's the problem? Surely that's what everyone wants isn't it?
Admittedly that is unlikely but we are all talking about hypotheticals in this thread but assuming it was a complete u turn then I don't see the problem. Seems to me that many on here want RD to back down and change his mindset but then aren't willing to do so themselves.
A year or so ago, that was what most wanted.
Because of what has happened in the interim, it is not now about RD backing down but RD selling up.
Just to caveat this before I type, I know it is highly unlikely, but, if he was to invest in a team and coaching and everything was left well alone and we got back to a position where the club is pushing towards the playoff places in the Championship. You would carry on protesting about him?
Exactly, extremely unlikely ... but, for the record:
- if he was allowed to invest in the team - if he had total control over the footballing aspects of the club - if the scouting network reported to him - if he could choose his own staff - if KM was moved out of the club - if Roland stayed away and did not interfere in anything to do with football
Then, maybe, I would contemplate how far my protests should go.
But, it ain't gonna happen and we all know it.
As I said before all hypothetical but some in here are basically saying they wouldn't change their current mindset hence why I mention hypocrisy.
The hypocrisy in this place is something else at times (or as plenty of you like to repeatedly type, beyond parody). If this is the beginning of a complete change of approach and RD does do everything that we have been asking of him and it produces results on the pitch then what's the problem? Surely that's what everyone wants isn't it?
Admittedly that is unlikely but we are all talking about hypotheticals in this thread but assuming it was a complete u turn then I don't see the problem. Seems to me that many on here want RD to back down and change his mindset but then aren't willing to do so themselves.
I completely agree; If Roland completely changes the way he operates then i'm behind him. Not hiring a proper manager and giving him control is why I have been protesting. If he does as I ask, why would I be unhappy?
If I was Chris Wilder, I'd tell Roland to stick their offer where the sun don't shine! I know Northampton were in a difficult situation and are a smaller club but they must be a better club to work under than us!
It's about money though. I think they got the message that this time they had to pay a decent salary or no one was coming to help.
Maybe Duchatelet has run out of network options.
Maybe he is cynically manipulating, spinning and leaking to undermine the protests - By the look of some comments on here he is succeeding.
It will all end in tears!
Bring in a British manager, sign a couple of Div.1/2 players before selling / giving away any decent player that he can get off of the books.
Ha, ha. Just had a response from my wife's nephew who is an Oxford fan. Yes, I know, it's one of those "my [insert name of Azerbaijan third division] supporting pal says..." but this is cut and paste from his text:
"Really? Not much of a step up for him, given your and Northampton's respective positions.
As a human being, he's an absolute nob. Chippy, self-regarding and petulant; he stormed out of Oxford straight after a game without even saying goodbye to the players or chairman.
As a coach, he's good as long as he has a chairman who'll indulge his predilection for bringing in loan signings at the drop of a hat. You'll do well with him, but be braced for some pretty agricultural football."
Sounds like him and Roly will get on like a châteaux on fire.
Ha, ha. Just had a response from my wife's nephew who is an Oxford fan. Yes, I know, it's one of those "my [insert name of Azerbaijan third division] supporting pal says..." but this is cut and paste from his text:
"Really? Not much of a step up for him, given your and Northampton's respective positions.
As a human being, he's an absolute nob. Chippy, self-regarding and petulant; he stormed out of Oxford straight after a game without even saying goodbye to the players or chairman.
As a coach, he's good as long as he has a chairman who'll indulge his predilection for bringing in loan signings at the drop of a hat. You'll do well with him, but be braced for some pretty agricultural football."
Sounds like him and Roly will get on like a châteaux on fire.
Sounds a bit bitter. I wonder if that was his attitude before he left for Northampton.
Ha, ha. Just had a response from my wife's nephew who is an Oxford fan. Yes, I know, it's one of those "my [insert name of Azerbaijan third division] supporting pal says..." but this is cut and paste from his text:
"Really? Not much of a step up for him, given your and Northampton's respective positions.
As a human being, he's an absolute nob. Chippy, self-regarding and petulant; he stormed out of Oxford straight after a game without even saying goodbye to the players or chairman.
As a coach, he's good as long as he has a chairman who'll indulge his predilection for bringing in loan signings at the drop of a hat. You'll do well with him, but be braced for some pretty agricultural football."
Sounds like him and Roly will get on like a châteaux on fire.
Sounds a bit bitter. I wonder if that was his attitude before he left for Northampton.
Nah, knowing him I don't think so and would put some trust in his character judgement. Oxford have just been promoted themselves so he's not really got an axe to grind.
My only concern is that if he's quick to move from Oxford to Northampton he wont think twice before moving from Charlton to another side, he appears the sort who uses clubs as stepping stones for his own potential gain.
Thankfully to do that he has to make them successful
i.e. he didnt leave Oxford in a sorry state meaning that Appleton could go in and continue what he started and it'll be no different for the next Manager at Northampton.
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I doubt there will ever be a manager under RD that clocks up 2 years service!
Please remember we are where we are today after 30 months of belligerent mismanagement.
Whether the current initiative is as a result of embracing a sustainable change of direction is a) open to debate b) likely to remain unproven for a considerable period. As it stands the Wilder approach could be no more than a grudging acknowledgement of a failed process or the equivalent of throwing a starving man a stale crust.
Whether this executive has truly embraced the need for change and a "Wilder type" appointment is part and parcel of a root and branch change of management then there is considerably more to be done.
You might consider the thoughts of Messrs Powell, Riga, Peeters, Luzon, (Fraeye was always an irrelevance) and Riga again if this regime has indeed had a road to Damascus moment.
You must also consider whether this initiative has been forced because quite simply this executive, to stop our slide into oblivion, have literally nowhere else to go.
Having lost all credibility with supporters, with the industry and the media they are in desperate need of anyone's market credibility simply to have any ability to trade. They individually lack a gram of the market knowledge to make any sane attempt to even start to unravel the problems they have created across the business.
Every managerial/head coach appointment is a risk for all parties.
If Wilder is the right man then he will have done/ do more to ensure his success in the past/ next 24/48hrs in laying down the rules of operation across all aspects of the club before he even enters his office.
Intrinsic to that process will be the need to manage the recruitment process in all aspects of negotiation.
At which point Wilder will be only part of the solution. Other fundamental change is needed and needed now.
In truth there is little more any prospective manager can do. There is always some leap of faith involved
Whether based on their track record to this point he and indeed we can trust this regime will honour its part of any such arrangement is quite another matter.
I urge those hoping/ wishing/ desperate to hang onto any crumb of comfort to wait to let us see some clear actions in support of a fully viable sustainable football squad worthy of the club we have supported over the decades.
No one should underestimate the damage that has been done to the fabric of the club by the ignorance, arrogance and sheer bloody incompetence of this regime. A few sticking plasters here and there will achieve nothing. Major surgery is required.
The questions concerning the ability, competence, understanding and ambitions of the "surgeon at the helm" to effect the changes needed must and will rightly long remain. As such there is no compelling reason to change any call for the departure of the man who has put us in this mess in the first place.
This regime needs to step aside.
Be Prepared !
Admittedly that is unlikely but we are all talking about hypotheticals in this thread but assuming it was a complete u turn then I don't see the problem. Seems to me that many on here want RD to back down and change his mindset but then aren't willing to do so themselves.
Because of what has happened in the interim, it is not now about RD backing down but RD selling up.
He needs us to get promoted, quickly. The only question is, how much is he willing to spend to ensure that happens?
It's a tough one to answer quite honestly, because we can't guess the remit.
- if he was allowed to invest in the team
- if he had total control over the footballing aspects of the club
- if the scouting network reported to him
- if he could choose his own staff
- if KM was moved out of the club
- if Roland stayed away and did not interfere in anything to do with football
Then, maybe, I would contemplate how far my protests should go.
But, it ain't gonna happen and we all know it.
Meire the incompetent needs to go. There will be no reconciliation with the fan base until she does as she's burned every bridge she can find.
Results and player transfers are not what matters until we get proof of a fundamental change in mindset of the owner, like removing the squirrel. There is no future for any improving relationship between the fans and the management while she remains in her post.
She needs to be removed because RD sees it as necessary as a clear indication of his failure, not hers. Not saying she was not a failure, but she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time to do the wrong job.
If there is clear evidence of RD in retreat, the protests might change in intensity or focus, but they do not stop until either RD goes or, like a good referee, we forget he is there, don't give him stick unless he starts kicking the ball around, and appreciate there would be no game without him.
"Really? Not much of a step up for him, given your and Northampton's respective positions.
As a human being, he's an absolute nob. Chippy, self-regarding and petulant; he stormed out of Oxford straight after a game without even saying goodbye to the players or chairman.
As a coach, he's good as long as he has a chairman who'll indulge his predilection for bringing in loan signings at the drop of a hat. You'll do well with him, but be braced for some pretty agricultural football."
Sounds like him and Roly will get on like a châteaux on fire.
I just want to see a competitive Charlton side again and if that means a solid defence then so be it!
Thankfully to do that he has to make them successful
i.e. he didnt leave Oxford in a sorry state meaning that Appleton could go in and continue what he started and it'll be no different for the next Manager at Northampton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Wilder