Doesn't seem the type to take any messing about from RD/KM. talks about the drawn out takeover of NTFC. Well worth a listen. Also pronounces 'attitude' a bit funny. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hisGrNSfqek
Appy?
Sounds like tractor boy.
Sounds more like a midlands accent than a Yorkshire accent.
If appointed Chris Wilder will always be Duchatelet's apparatus until there is some way to judge that he is not. The amount of stuff to sort out means that holidays in Dubai might have to be downsized to a weekend in Cromer for whoever is working in whatever role at Charlton. Fifty points by the end of January, still in all cup competitions, and the league's leading goalscorer are the targets I would be setting. Followed by defeat in the JPT, walking the league, and winning a shock FA Cup final against Liverpool to finish off.
To me this roughly translates as, we're a big club at this level and we've offered him 2-3 times his current salary.
Is the correct answer mate
Five times the salary not three mate
Wilder ticks every box for km
Mgr on the up Mgr on the up cheap to covert within the two clubs Mgr on the up cheap to pay even St x5 salary Will have potential to placate the fans Very small but former player link
I think it's around 80-20 that he will join and I think for him it's a risk free move, if it fails he can say barncake club had no say or control in deciding factors hence why I left and he walks into any lge 1 or 2 job after earning a bit of dough
For CAFC it's a sign to say we are listening although only a token gesture in my mind That costs very little out lay
Very highly recommended and thought of in nthampton and I feel sorry for them that they may have lost him after what he has done, I have a business in Rothersthorpe nthampton and have followed their progress closely working alongside many of their fans and within the sixfields area and stadium Chris wilder nice bloke, tough bstd Imo and a man's man,
Could it be possible that the talks between Wilder and CAFC aren't actually with RD/KM, but with potential new owners?
It just seems so far removed from RD's previous history of appointing clueless, inexperienced head coaches....
I was thinking along those lines. Even if he is not talking with potential new owners RD knows Charlton's value is significantly higher if they have a new management team installed at the beginning of the close season and in a position to put together and prepare a new squad for the new season. I don't think appointing Wilder necessarily means RD is not going to sell before the start of the new season.
It's irrelevant - the Dynamic Duo have done so much damage to the club that there is no way back now.
In marital terms they are the spouse that spends your entire joint savings and then shags your best mate.....but then buys a few nice cushions for the couch and expects to start over afresh.
Sorry, but it does not work like that, too much damage has been done and the breach of trust has been far, far too great, the only way ahead is for them to fuck off back to Flanders.
I know it's not the majority view, but personally I have never really cared who owns the club. As long as they are not crooked or immoral and run the club properly, with a view to being successful on the pitch first and foremost, then I really don't give a stuff who own us.
The problem with this lot has been that the on pitch success does not seem to have been a primary concern and some of the behaviour of the CEO has not been entirely moral, at times.
I want whatever will get us back to being a properly, morally run club the quickest. If the current owners can stop dicking us fans around and put a fit for purpose football management structure and transfer policy in place this summer, the he can carry on as owner as far as I am concerned. If he isn't willing to do that he can do one and let someone else have a go at doing it properly.
Either is fine by me, I just want at proper football team to support again asap.
With respect, how is a league two manager a suitable choice for a championship club? He might be British, but that does not mean he's an inspired signing by any means
Erm, his present club have just been promoted to Division 3. And Charlton are no longer a Championship club.
Apologies, I must not have paid attention for the last 12 months! (sarcasm) If you want to be technical, the leagues aren't even settled yet.
My point is that CW has done well at a L2 club - this does not mean he has what it takes to deliver at a Championship who should be looking to outright win L1 next season. Northampton's aim is wildly different to ours and who's qualified enough to say that CW is qualified for that job?
He might not be D3 belgium, but he's still D4/D5 england. We should be looking for a manager from above, not below. Uninspired choice in my eyes.
With respect, how is a league two manager a suitable choice for a championship club? He might be British, but that does not mean he's an inspired signing by any means
Erm, his present club have just been promoted to Division 3. And Charlton are no longer a Championship club.
Apologies, I must not have paid attention for the last 12 months! (sarcasm) If you want to be technical, the leagues aren't even settled yet.
My point is that CW has done well at a L2 club - this does not mean he has what it takes to deliver at a Championship who should be looking to outright win L1 next season. Northampton's aim is wildly different to ours and who's qualified enough to say that CW is qualified for that job?
He might not be D3 belgium, but he's still D4/D5 england. We should be looking for a manager from above, not below. Uninspired choice in my eyes.
I agree, he seems a cheap and cheerful choice, who has the added bonus of being British. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt like I do any new arrival at Charlton, but I'm certainly not expecting him to pull up any trees. His record in the lower leagues appears to be solid and he is well liked down at Northampton but, without in any way intending to sound condescending, their expectations are somewhat lower than ours. He might be a rising star, but I highly doubt that KM has suddenly developed the wherewithal to unearth a managerial gem and RM's record on choosing managers post Curbs is pretty dismal too.
He is, in brief, a bit of a punt.
He's the managerial equivalent of when Parky signed Paul Benson. We desperately needed a goalscorer but had nothing like the money needed to buy someone proven at our level so had to take a punt on someone cheap who had done it lower down but had no pedigree at our level, even less so the level we aspired to be at.
This time we have the money, but aren't willing to spend it and our recent relegation and current basket case reputation has put more ambitious appointments out of our reach. He might be the best we can expect in our current position, but I'd say he's far from the best a club our size could hope to attract in better circumstances, even in League 1.
Of course, I hope he is a roaring success if/when he arrives.
Nothing has happened yet - I think there are a set of demanding (for this lot) events that need to happen that probably won't (in their entirity). But if they do, we don't have to stop the protests, but we can suspend them. That would be a victory for the fans and we would have the power of the threat of further action if the change in the way the club is run is smoke and mirrors or changes back. What we would have to promise, is that if we are forced to protest further, those protests would move up a notch. I fail to see how anybody could look at the situation (in the unlikely event that it happened) as anything but a victory and if Duchatelet genuinely was forced to change his approach, he would probably sell up when the club is a more attractive proposition price wise.
What those moaning about a suspension (or a temporary ceasefire) of the protest are failing to acknowledge is that those suggesting it are doing so on the conditions that things genuinely change. That isn't just the appointment of Wilder, but giving him proper control. It is the removal of Meire and it is a coherant transfer policy in the summer. For me, all those things need to happen for a suspension, not an ending and if they did genuinely happen how could it be seen as anything but a victory for CARD. I personally don't think those conditions will be met by this mob, but this is a point where they seem to be shifting that we should verbalise what we expect them to do and give the owner a get out. Like I said, the likely outcome would be a sale at some point as he would have been forced to give up on his crazy system, and if not, the protests come back like a raging storm.
Ever since seeing that sofa upcycled on Saturday I can't get that Orange Juices song from the eighties out of my mind. You know the one 'Rip it up (and start again)'.
There's even a line in there somewhere that goes 'I hope to god you're not as dumb as you make out'
Perhaps what we are about to witness could be a fresh start!!! IBIWISI
sacking Meire would make a bigger statement than appointing Wilder.
And if squirrel face stays give it a few months before another manager leaves(Wilder/whoever).
Mmmm now this squirrel connection could be a new angle. Alan Knill, a much hated figure at Torquay United, is known as Squirrel down there because they blame him for the season they got relegated out of the league. Not the best of managers but apparently alright as a No2.
On the plus side, Wilder is English. However, while doing a great job to get Northampton promoted from League 2, he has never managed at the level we are in (League 1 for God's sake!) and that we are getting excited at the likelihood of him coming our way is more indicative of how desperate we have become as much as thoughts that he will right all the recent managerial wrongs. Of course, if appointed, he will get out backing but nothing else changes. And, sadly, for me that includes Duchatalet's attitude and endless tinkering. Which raises the question ... why would Wilder want to come to us?!
I hope if this does happen and we see him bringing in players he wants, that we can all get behind the club again. Uts 9je thing for fans to say they want a britisj manager snd players and the maansger to be given time. I really hope we can be patient wuth wilder. Lets say he lises a few games early on, a bit like harris did at millwall.... will everyone stuck woth him or turn on him and rhe owners again? Let's face it they aint going anywhere so it's...
a. Continue protesting and hope we win matches and then Roland sells once we're up.
B. Get behind a new management setup and make the valley a good place to watch football again .
So either fight for the club we all love - for its future to be as prosperous as can be (without RD of course) OR Put up and shut up , because we've hired an English manager with no experience above league 2 ... Not knowing what the future holds
I agree we should fight for the club. But my concern is there won't be anything left for our kids to go to see. The damage win be irreparable. I just hope the club us ruling sensibly again soon and we can back it.
sacking Meire would make a bigger statement than appointing Wilder.
And if squirrel face stays give it a few months before another manager leaves(Wilder/whoever).
Mmmm now this squirrel connection could be a new angle. Alan Knill, a much hated figure at Torquay United, is known as Squirrel down there because they blame him for the season they got relegated out of the league. Not the best of managers but apparently alright as a No2.
He's known as squirrel because he was knocked off his bicycle by one. No seriously he was.
Nothing has happened yet - I think there are a set of demanding (for this lot) events that need to happen that probably won't (in their entirity). But if they do, we don't have to stop the protests, but we can suspend them. That would be a victory for the fans and we would have the power of the threat of further action if the change in the way the club is run is smoke and mirrors or changes back. What we would have to promise, is that if we are forced to protest further, those protests would move up a notch. I fail to see how anybody could look at the situation (in the unlikely event that it happened) as anything but a victory and if Duchatelet genuinely was forced to change his approach, he would probably sell up when the club is a more attractive proposition price wise.
What those moaning about a suspension (or a temporary ceasefire) of the protest are failing to acknowledge is that those suggesting it are doing so on the conditions that things genuinely change. That isn't just the appointment of Wilder, but giving him proper control. It is the removal of Meire and it is a coherant transfer policy in the summer. For me, all those things need to happen for a suspension, not an ending and if they did genuinely happen how could it be seen as anything but a victory for CARD. I personally don't think those conditions will be met by this mob, but this is a point where they seem to be shifting that we should verbalise what we expect them to do and give the owner a get out. Like I said, the likely outcome would be a sale at some point as he would have been forced to give up on his crazy system, and if not, the protests come back like a raging storm.
This. If a character like Wilder is appointed it's a clear sign the protests have achieved a tangible result. A battle victory if not yet winning the war.
Many have recognised it's not a struggle that will be won with a single knock out blow. This is a sign of a wounded opponent forced on the back foot.
Appointing Wilder makes no sense in the context of RDs past form.
Something has changed. Positioning for disposal? Underhand piece of deception to undermine protests? Means of sidelining the squirrel without losing face? Realising he has been listening to the wrong people and has no one he can now trust?
Will only know in the cold light of day when we see actions not words.
Halting the experiment and RD being forced by stark reality to hand over effective control would not be a failure of the protests.
Ending the war with a surrender and keeping the enemy's resources is less damaging than anhialation of the enemy.
If he's trying to pull a fast one then Wilder will go and RD should fear the depths to which the protests are likely to go
If it happens it's the first step of many required. They must have offered quite a reward package.
I'm not convinced just because he's done well in league 2 and below means he'll be a success here. His first job will be to persuade players to join, that won't be an easy task and he'll need people like Jacko to help. That said he's clearly better caliber than at least Luzon & Peters and probably Riga. Is he better than Powell where we started this awful journey, probably not.
RD probably needs to put in an extra double figure millions to enable turnover to be high enough to enable the right level of salaries to be paid to players for us to do well, I just don't see that happening. This is an appointment of a man who's been successful in a tight budget.
Outside of that with the income levels as they are and with many not returning to their seat next year we aren't going to be challenging for the title like we did with SCP, play offs would be the best we could hope for.
I wish him luck if he takes on the poison challis, I so hope it works, only time will tell.
With respect, how is a league two manager a suitable choice for a championship club? He might be British, but that does not mean he's an inspired signing by any means
Erm, his present club have just been promoted to Division 3. And Charlton are no longer a Championship club.
Apologies, I must not have paid attention for the last 12 months! (sarcasm) If you want to be technical, the leagues aren't even settled yet.
My point is that CW has done well at a L2 club - this does not mean he has what it takes to deliver at a Championship who should be looking to outright win L1 next season. Northampton's aim is wildly different to ours and who's qualified enough to say that CW is qualified for that job?
He might not be D3 belgium, but he's still D4/D5 england. We should be looking for a manager from above, not below. Uninspired choice in my eyes.
You could always put a positive spin on it, if we get relegated, we've got the best man to get us out of league 2!
Completely ambivalent about the prospect of this dour northern bastard being appointed. Besides, I've never been part of the clamour for a British manager per se - what is important is a knowledge of these leagues and what is required to compete in them. At the end of the day there are plenty of crap British managers to choose from. Basically Duchatelet has had to address the fact that he is failing at the one "plan" they have ever gone public with, I.e to be a competitive Championship side with Premier league ambition. I suspect that is the only criteria that he may concede to himself that he can be judged and found wanting. Everything else is just wallpaper to him. So, it appears we will see swift and decisive action to address the situation he finds himself in. I very much doubt anything fundamental will change in respect of the managment team and the basic "plan". The " football" side of things is being tweaked and there is a sea change in the choice of head coach. Good luck Wilder if you take it on; let's hope your much touted honest and forthrightness isn't diluted or compromised by Roland' s shilling. ( I can almost foresee the sick rising to my mouth if his welcome speech includes anything about the owner being an honourable man who wants the best for the club). Excuse me if I'm not appeased. It never sat right the moment that "plan" was first stated. It's arse about face. It should have been, "Our aim is promotion to the Premier league within 3/4/5 years, with a competitive Championship squad as our starting point". On that basis you can accept honest failure, because you can be part of a shared vision and most importantly you can dare to dream.
Wilder ticks the box marked as cheap as Duchatalet & Meire think they can get away with - which appears to be the main consideration for 98% of their management decisions.
Wilder ticks the box marked as cheap as Duchatalet & Meire think they can get away with - which appears to be the main consideration for 98% of their management decisions.
You are crediting KM with a degree of cunning and hence ability that few of us believe she posseses
If it happens it's the first step of many required. They must have offered quite a reward package.
I'm not convinced just because he's done well in league 2 and below means he'll be a success here. His first job will be to persuade players to join, that won't be an easy task and he'll need people like Jacko to help. That said he's clearly better caliber than at least Luzon & Peters and probably Riga. Is he better than Powell where we started this awful journey, probably not.
RD probably needs to put in an extra double figure millions to enable turnover to be high enough to enable the right level of salaries to be paid to players for us to do well, I just don't see that happening. This is an appointment of a man who's been successful in a tight budget.
Outside of that with the income levels as they are and with many not returning to their seat next year we aren't going to be challenging for the title like we did with SCP, play offs would be the best we could hope for.
I wish him luck if he takes on the poison challis, I so hope it works, only time will tell.
1st job in my opinion is to tell the players they ain't all going. Those that have had long term injuries owe us big time and none of them deserve to be able to leave just because they will be on reduced wages - they signed the bloody things and are partly to blame for our relegation. Not unreasonable to ask them to give us at least to January IMO.
You would expect us to be happy to reduce costs , but if Roland wants to get back in one year we need the quality. Any money made from transfers should be made available to the new manager and this should be in a statement from the club.
We are told we are financial safe so a fire sale not needed. Players that are to be sold need to go for good money as well - it is what Roland does!
sacking Meire would make a bigger statement than appointing Wilder.
And if squirrel face stays give it a few months before another manager leaves(Wilder/whoever).
Mmmm now this squirrel connection could be a new angle. Alan Knill, a much hated figure at Torquay United, is known as Squirrel down there because they blame him for the season they got relegated out of the league. Not the best of managers but apparently alright as a No2.
He's known as squirrel because he was knocked off his bicycle by one. No seriously he was.
Might give us a new song about riding that doesn't feature Nabby Sarr.
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The amount of stuff to sort out means that holidays in Dubai might have to be downsized to a weekend in Cromer for whoever is working in whatever role at Charlton.
Fifty points by the end of January, still in all cup competitions, and the league's leading goalscorer are the targets I would be setting. Followed by defeat in the JPT, walking the league, and winning a shock FA Cup final against Liverpool to finish off.
Solid defence
Organised
Motivator
Doesn't this remind you of anyone
#Llewellyn
Too soon?
Wilder ticks every box for km
Mgr on the up
Mgr on the up cheap to covert within the two clubs
Mgr on the up cheap to pay even St x5 salary
Will have potential to placate the fans
Very small but former player link
I think it's around 80-20 that he will join and I think for him it's a risk free move, if it fails he can say barncake club had no say or control in deciding factors hence why I left and he walks into any lge 1 or 2 job after earning a bit of dough
For CAFC it's a sign to say we are listening although only a token gesture in my mind
That costs very little out lay
Very highly recommended and thought of in nthampton and I feel sorry for them that they may have lost him after what he has done, I have a business in Rothersthorpe nthampton and have followed their progress closely working alongside many of their fans and within the sixfields area and stadium Chris wilder nice bloke, tough bstd Imo and a man's man,
In marital terms they are the spouse that spends your entire joint savings and then shags your best mate.....but then buys a few nice cushions for the couch and expects to start over afresh.
Sorry, but it does not work like that, too much damage has been done and the breach of trust has been far, far too great, the only way ahead is for them to fuck off back to Flanders.
The problem with this lot has been that the on pitch success does not seem to have been a primary concern and some of the behaviour of the CEO has not been entirely moral, at times.
I want whatever will get us back to being a properly, morally run club the quickest. If the current owners can stop dicking us fans around and put a fit for purpose football management structure and transfer policy in place this summer, the he can carry on as owner as far as I am concerned. If he isn't willing to do that he can do one and let someone else have a go at doing it properly.
Either is fine by me, I just want at proper football team to support again asap.
My point is that CW has done well at a L2 club - this does not mean he has what it takes to deliver at a Championship who should be looking to outright win L1 next season. Northampton's aim is wildly different to ours and who's qualified enough to say that CW is qualified for that job?
He might not be D3 belgium, but he's still D4/D5 england. We should be looking for a manager from above, not below. Uninspired choice in my eyes.
He is, in brief, a bit of a punt.
He's the managerial equivalent of when Parky signed Paul Benson. We desperately needed a goalscorer but had nothing like the money needed to buy someone proven at our level so had to take a punt on someone cheap who had done it lower down but had no pedigree at our level, even less so the level we aspired to be at.
This time we have the money, but aren't willing to spend it and our recent relegation and current basket case reputation has put more ambitious appointments out of our reach. He might be the best we can expect in our current position, but I'd say he's far from the best a club our size could hope to attract in better circumstances, even in League 1.
Of course, I hope he is a roaring success if/when he arrives.
What those moaning about a suspension (or a temporary ceasefire) of the protest are failing to acknowledge is that those suggesting it are doing so on the conditions that things genuinely change. That isn't just the appointment of Wilder, but giving him proper control. It is the removal of Meire and it is a coherant transfer policy in the summer. For me, all those things need to happen for a suspension, not an ending and if they did genuinely happen how could it be seen as anything but a victory for CARD. I personally don't think those conditions will be met by this mob, but this is a point where they seem to be shifting that we should verbalise what we expect them to do and give the owner a get out. Like I said, the likely outcome would be a sale at some point as he would have been forced to give up on his crazy system, and if not, the protests come back like a raging storm.
Tune as the youth say
If a character like Wilder is appointed it's a clear sign the protests have achieved a tangible result. A battle victory if not yet winning the war.
Many have recognised it's not a struggle that will be won with a single knock out blow. This is a sign of a wounded opponent forced on the back foot.
Appointing Wilder makes no sense in the context of RDs past form.
Something has changed. Positioning for disposal? Underhand piece of deception to undermine protests? Means of sidelining the squirrel without losing face? Realising he has been listening to the wrong people and has no one he can now trust?
Will only know in the cold light of day when we see actions not words.
Halting the experiment and RD being forced by stark reality to hand over effective control would not be a failure of the protests.
Ending the war with a surrender and keeping the enemy's resources is less damaging than anhialation of the enemy.
If he's trying to pull a fast one then Wilder will go and RD should fear the depths to which the protests are likely to go
Cheap maybe but I don't know about cheerful. He is from Yorkshire after all.
I'm not convinced just because he's done well in league 2 and below means he'll be a success here. His first job will be to persuade players to join, that won't be an easy task and he'll need people like Jacko to help. That said he's clearly better caliber than at least Luzon & Peters and probably Riga. Is he better than Powell where we started this awful journey, probably not.
RD probably needs to put in an extra double figure millions to enable turnover to be high enough to enable the right level of salaries to be paid to players for us to do well, I just don't see that happening. This is an appointment of a man who's been successful in a tight budget.
Outside of that with the income levels as they are and with many not returning to their seat next year we aren't going to be challenging for the title like we did with SCP, play offs would be the best we could hope for.
I wish him luck if he takes on the poison challis, I so hope it works, only time will tell.
Besides, I've never been part of the clamour for a British manager per se - what is important is a knowledge of these leagues and what is required to compete in them.
At the end of the day there are plenty of crap British managers to choose from.
Basically Duchatelet has had to address the fact that he is failing at the one "plan" they have ever gone public with, I.e to be a competitive Championship side with Premier league ambition.
I suspect that is the only criteria that he may concede to himself that he can be judged and found wanting.
Everything else is just wallpaper to him.
So, it appears we will see swift and decisive action to address the situation he finds himself in.
I very much doubt anything fundamental will change in respect of the managment team and the basic "plan".
The " football" side of things is being tweaked and there is a sea change in the choice of head coach.
Good luck Wilder if you take it on; let's hope your much touted honest and forthrightness isn't diluted or compromised by Roland' s shilling.
( I can almost foresee the sick rising to my mouth if his welcome speech includes anything about the owner being an honourable man who wants the best for the club).
Excuse me if I'm not appeased.
It never sat right the moment that "plan" was first stated.
It's arse about face.
It should have been, "Our aim is promotion to the Premier league within 3/4/5 years, with a competitive Championship squad as our starting point".
On that basis you can accept honest failure, because you can be part of a shared vision and most importantly you can dare to dream.
You would expect us to be happy to reduce costs , but if Roland wants to get back in one year we need the quality. Any money made from transfers should be made available to the new manager and this should be in a statement from the club.
We are told we are financial safe so a fire sale not needed. Players that are to be sold need to go for good money as well - it is what Roland does!