There's an increasing number of people on this thread suggesting that Vetokele is not a good footballer.
That pisses me off almost as much as when I contemplate what we have done to him.
If you are not a good footballer, you simply cannot play as he did for the first 15 games or so with us. The Championship is a tough league. The better sides would see off many top league sides in other european countries (and so they should, given the wage bills)
But more importantly, he was recognised as a talent by both Angola and Belgium. At this time, it is necessary to remind ourselves that - shamefully for us - Belgium is well ahead of England on the international football stage. I will certainly put the judgement of the professionals there ahead of the people here who are starting to slag him off.
We have f'''ed up Igor Vetokele. It is a disgrace and a personal tragedy. Anyone who suggest otherwise is unwittingly making themselves a regime apologist.
I get what you're saying Prague but frankly I can't really fault people who criticise Igor. We can dig into the reasons for why he went downhill all we want, but the fact is in the two seasons of abject misery he's been with us, he's been either injured or crap for three quarters of it. That might be because he was played when injured and his confidence dipped but to be honest most people on here are past caring about the whys. Igor had one good game this season gone. One. That's not going to get you fondly remembered regardless of any reasons for unfitness. Sure, he can go off elsewhere and be brilliant but I don't really care about that. Igor the Charlton player is useless to us, and I won't miss him because I gave up on him as a player when he got inured after the Rotherham match and came back looking like he wasn't bothered
There's an increasing number of people on this thread suggesting that Vetokele is not a good footballer.
That pisses me off almost as much as when I contemplate what we have done to him.
If you are not a good footballer, you simply cannot play as he did for the first 15 games or so with us. The Championship is a tough league. The better sides would see off many top league sides in other european countries (and so they should, given the wage bills)
But more importantly, he was recognised as a talent by both Angola and Belgium. At this time, it is necessary to remind ourselves that - shamefully for us - Belgium is well ahead of England on the international football stage. I will certainly put the judgement of the professionals there ahead of the people here who are starting to slag him off.
We have f'''ed up Igor Vetokele. It is a disgrace and a personal tragedy. Anyone who suggest otherwise is unwittingly making themselves a regime apologist.
I get what you're saying Prague but frankly I can't really fault people who criticise Igor. We can dig into the reasons for why he went downhill all we want, but the fact is in the two seasons of abject misery he's been with us, he's been either injured or crap for three quarters of it. That might be because he was played when injured and his confidence dipped but to be honest most people on here are past caring about the whys. Igor had one good game this season gone. One. That's not going to get you fondly remembered regardless of any reasons for unfitness. Sure, he can go off elsewhere and be brilliant but I don't really care about that. Igor the Charlton player is useless to us, and I won't miss him because I gave up on him as a player when he got inured after the Rotherham match and came back looking like he wasn't bothered
But can we blame him for being injured, especially when he's had achilles and groin injuries, which are persistent and often difficult to overcome through anything but rest and rehab? He's played through a lot of pain and discomfort I'd imagine. When Jordan Cousins was sick at half time, he was lauded as being gritty. Igor has come out and said his injuries have been mismanaged, and it was clear for all to see when he got a run in toward the end of the season, he lacked sharpness.
Watching how good he was against Rotherham, despite getting kicked every time he got near the ball, and despite being half a yard off the pace, you can't say there isn't a footballer in there. He's just had no protection all season, and has rarely had a strike partner to help him up front.
May I suggest it is a simple misunderstanding between Igor being "free to leave" and being able to "leave for free."
Think this is most likely the case. Free to leave if he can find another club willing to pay a transfer fee and wages/personal requirements he is happy with. Suspect alternative would be for him to stay on a reduced wage. Without going into why he has appeared to decline and not be the player he was, prior to injury, then I think £1.5m should be taken to invest in a new striker(s) that the manager has identified....when a manager arrives...
Why they paying 1.5 million i thought it was locked on free transfer......
The journo who broke that news had got it wrong, apparently misunderstanding vetokele's agent.
Sorry being thick here... had it wrong that it was a £0 release clause, or wrong that we're talking about £1.5m?
On a separate note, should take them off at the elbow if they're willing to pay >£1m.
All He said is that he had "misunderstood his agent"
So what is correct ? Is he on a free or not ?
No, the journo originally claimed he had a free release relegation clause in his contract which turned out not to be true.
Has the journalist (Sven Klaes) retracted anything? If we go back to the start of this thread, it was @Clem_Snide who started it, and he who suggested there was a "relegation clause" However when I checked Klaes Twitter feed (and as I wrote after doing so) "nowhere does he say that there is a "relegation release clause". Somebody else refers to it, they seem to assume that this is what SK means. But SK may simply be suggesting that CAFC are letting him go for free. Possibly because they have doubts about his ongoing fitness" So a random Tweeter on Klaes feed (not the journo himself) had introduced the term "relegation clause", which is probably what Clem picked up on. Although Clem subsequently wrote that he was "reliably informed" that Teixeira has a similar clause, without ever backing that up.
I can't name the source who gave me the Teixeira info. All I will say is it came from within the club and I have no reason to doubt it.
You also have no need to back it up. You've given us some info from a source, when you didn't need to.
There's an increasing number of people on this thread suggesting that Vetokele is not a good footballer.
That pisses me off almost as much as when I contemplate what we have done to him.
If you are not a good footballer, you simply cannot play as he did for the first 15 games or so with us. The Championship is a tough league. The better sides would see off many top league sides in other european countries (and so they should, given the wage bills)
But more importantly, he was recognised as a talent by both Angola and Belgium. At this time, it is necessary to remind ourselves that - shamefully for us - Belgium is well ahead of England on the international football stage. I will certainly put the judgement of the professionals there ahead of the people here who are starting to slag him off.
We have f'''ed up Igor Vetokele. It is a disgrace and a personal tragedy. Anyone who suggest otherwise is unwittingly making themselves a regime apologist.
I get what you're saying Prague but frankly I can't really fault people who criticise Igor. We can dig into the reasons for why he went downhill all we want, but the fact is in the two seasons of abject misery he's been with us, he's been either injured or crap for three quarters of it. That might be because he was played when injured and his confidence dipped but to be honest most people on here are past caring about the whys. Igor had one good game this season gone. One. That's not going to get you fondly remembered regardless of any reasons for unfitness. Sure, he can go off elsewhere and be brilliant but I don't really care about that. Igor the Charlton player is useless to us, and I won't miss him because I gave up on him as a player when he got inured after the Rotherham match and came back looking like he wasn't bothered
Well I'm sure you have had to witness far more substandard performances from him than I have, so I get what you are saying too. But I'll tell you why you should care what happens next to him (and personally I fear he may have permanently lost his pace. At 23.) Unless the reasons why he got to this state are identified, and rectified, it will happen again. Except that it won't happen to such good players, because they won't want to come here.
When i first saw Vetokele, I started to think this regime might, after all, be working out. Largely because of him, for months I tended to ignore @Airman Brown when he tried to tell me that Meire was incompetent and needed to be removed. He has been proven right, in spades, and as far as I am concerned Vetokele is the symbol of all that is wrong with this rotten regime. It shows us that the whole club system needs root and branch reform, carried out by people who understand the business of football.
When a player comes running out wearing our colours, we have no idea how fit he is or how he is feeling and it is difficult therefore to make allowances for poor performances. But I saw an excellent player when he first joined us, and something happened. I do recall Meire insinuating that his injuries were in his head and I suspect his accusation that his injury was mismanaged is true. In fact, given how badly the club has been and is being run, it ought to be the first conclusion we jump to.
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Watching how good he was against Rotherham, despite getting kicked every time he got near the ball, and despite being half a yard off the pace, you can't say there isn't a footballer in there. He's just had no protection all season, and has rarely had a strike partner to help him up front.
Fair play.
When i first saw Vetokele, I started to think this regime might, after all, be working out. Largely because of him, for months I tended to ignore @Airman Brown when he tried to tell me that Meire was incompetent and needed to be removed. He has been proven right, in spades, and as far as I am concerned Vetokele is the symbol of all that is wrong with this rotten regime. It shows us that the whole club system needs root and branch reform, carried out by people who understand the business of football.