Good luck to him, treated terrible by the club over his injury, hopefully gets his career back on track and it has not done any serious long term damage.
Nice of him to pick up his wages whilst doing nothing much and fail to contribute when he was fit. Equally nice not to say "I reckon I owe them a season to get promoted and to repay pay them for paying for my rehabilitation while I did a Kelly Youga and didn't play when I was actually fit"
I know my stance is overly simplistic but I don't think it's as cut and dried as you've put.
Do you think Roland and Katrien would welcome paying his wages for next season? Personally, I doubt it, especially if it is true that they have made clear to Jordan Cousins they want him out too, as has been suggested elsewhere. I doubt if Cousins is paid as much as Vetokele.
Very generous Swisdom when you consider in his first season he was our only goal threat and was a) targeted as such by the opposition b) given absolutely no senior support in the role c) required to play a large part of the season, because there simply was no one else, on one leg.
The whole episode was a monumental cock up by Meire in failing to support the head coach, the squad and the player at the time. Something for which we have all paid a heavy price - not least the player who effectively has to rebuild his career.
If he did end up with some mental issue concerning his fitness (as per Danny Haynes) there is only one group of people who put him in that position.
On what possible basis would you want to a) play for such people b) even consider extending the relationship longer than necessary.
It has been a major disappointment to see such a bubbling talent at the outset reduced to the player he has become.
It is precisely the outcome you can expect when you fail to build the appropriate strength and depth of squad placing undue pressure on certain key players to perform no matter their fitness or form.
It should be a salutary lesson for any young talent considering signing for this regime.
I sincerely hope the young man can rebuild his career in a more positive and supportive environment.
Is it Meire or is it Roland? It's his money after all. He thought it was enough to send us Tucudean and spend a big majority of the budget on Vetokele (£2.6m I think was said to be the fee). Peeters didn't rate Church (fair enough really) meaning a 17 year old KAG came in as our 3rd choice striker.
The obvious degrading of our medical and fitness resources is one they both bear responsibíity for. I fear it is such that they are in breach of their duty of care to the young players
Igor needs to do what's best for him, it's not his fault what's happened since he got injured that first time. Also, I just don't see him ever getting back to his best playing for us even if he did stay - needs a fresh start.
Shocking bit of business, and arrogance from the club to include a clause like that in the first place.
Very generous Swisdom when you consider in his first season he was our only goal threat and was a) targeted as such by the opposition b) given absolutely no senior support in the role c) required to play a large part of the season, because there simply was no one else, on one leg.
The whole episode was a monumental cock up by Meire in failing to support the head coach, the squad and the player at the time. Something for which we have all paid a heavy price - not least the player who effectively has to rebuild his career.
If he did end up with some mental issue concerning his fitness (as per Danny Haynes) there is only one group of people who put him in that position.
On what possible basis would you want to a) play for such people b) even consider extending the relationship longer than necessary.
It has been a major disappointment to see such a bubbling talent at the outset reduced to the player he has become.
It is precisely the outcome you can expect when you fail to build the appropriate strength and depth of squad placing undue pressure on certain key players to perform no matter their fitness or form.
It should be a salutary lesson for any young talent considering signing for this regime.
I sincerely hope the young man can rebuild his career in a more positive and supportive environment.
Is it Meire or is it Roland? It's his money after all. He thought it was enough to send us Tucudean and spend a big majority of the budget on Vetokele (£2.6m I think was said to be the fee). Peeters didn't rate Church (fair enough really) meaning a 17 year old KAG came in as our 3rd choice striker.
The obvious degrading of our medical and fitness resources is one they both bear responsibíity for. I fear it is such that they are in breach of their duty of care to the young players
I don't know, I think they look after some of them quite well.
Milhail Kennedy for example. Got a few unexpected first team appearances. Rewarded with a 2.5 year contract. Lost his place but we were relegated which will give him another chance in the first team at a lower level.
Under another ownership he might have been released before he could have achieved all of that.
Very generous Swisdom when you consider in his first season he was our only goal threat and was a) targeted as such by the opposition b) given absolutely no senior support in the role c) required to play a large part of the season, because there simply was no one else, on one leg.
The whole episode was a monumental cock up by Meire in failing to support the head coach, the squad and the player at the time. Something for which we have all paid a heavy price - not least the player who effectively has to rebuild his career.
If he did end up with some mental issue concerning his fitness (as per Danny Haynes) there is only one group of people who put him in that position.
On what possible basis would you want to a) play for such people b) even consider extending the relationship longer than necessary.
It has been a major disappointment to see such a bubbling talent at the outset reduced to the player he has become.
It is precisely the outcome you can expect when you fail to build the appropriate strength and depth of squad placing undue pressure on certain key players to perform no matter their fitness or form.
It should be a salutary lesson for any young talent considering signing for this regime.
I sincerely hope the young man can rebuild his career in a more positive and supportive environment.
Is it Meire or is it Roland? It's his money after all. He thought it was enough to send us Tucudean and spend a big majority of the budget on Vetokele (£2.6m I think was said to be the fee). Peeters didn't rate Church (fair enough really) meaning a 17 year old KAG came in as our 3rd choice striker.
The obvious degrading of our medical and fitness resources is one they both bear responsibíity for. I fear it is such that they are in breach of their duty of care to the young players
I think it's likely worse than that. As I understand it, from the long list of vacancies, they are in breach of the terms of the academy's Cat 2 status. A club doctor being the obvious but not only missing member of staff. For anyone interested have a look at rule 87 onwards on page 343 of the Premier League Handbook. Do we actually employ any of these people at the moment?
Very generous Swisdom when you consider in his first season he was our only goal threat and was a) targeted as such by the opposition b) given absolutely no senior support in the role c) required to play a large part of the season, because there simply was no one else, on one leg.
The whole episode was a monumental cock up by Meire in failing to support the head coach, the squad and the player at the time. Something for which we have all paid a heavy price - not least the player who effectively has to rebuild his career.
If he did end up with some mental issue concerning his fitness (as per Danny Haynes) there is only one group of people who put him in that position.
On what possible basis would you want to a) play for such people b) even consider extending the relationship longer than necessary.
It has been a major disappointment to see such a bubbling talent at the outset reduced to the player he has become.
It is precisely the outcome you can expect when you fail to build the appropriate strength and depth of squad placing undue pressure on certain key players to perform no matter their fitness or form.
It should be a salutary lesson for any young talent considering signing for this regime.
I sincerely hope the young man can rebuild his career in a more positive and supportive environment.
Is it Meire or is it Roland? It's his money after all. He thought it was enough to send us Tucudean and spend a big majority of the budget on Vetokele (£2.6m I think was said to be the fee). Peeters didn't rate Church (fair enough really) meaning a 17 year old KAG came in as our 3rd choice striker.
The obvious degrading of our medical and fitness resources is one they both bear responsibíity for. I fear it is such that they are in breach of their duty of care to the young players
I don't know, I think they look after some of them quite well.
Milhail Kennedy for example. Got a few unexpected first team appearances. Rewarded with a 2.5 year contract. Lost his place but we were relegated which will give him another chance in the first team at a lower level.
Under another ownership he might have been released before he could have achieved all of that.
Well you seem to have a lot of good insights on the playing side so I am surprised you say that. Some of the signs to me are:
- Vetokele himself. At the beginning of the season we learnt that there was a dispute within the medical and fitness team about whether he was fit to play. They then played him. I saw a player who, apart from anything else, was at least a stone overweight. And therefore on that basis alone, not fit to play.
- the departure of well regarded people from the medical and fitness staff
- the dithering over the diagnosis and treatment of Kashi
- the vague information about the injury to Bauer
- the apparently high number of non-impact injuries sustained in the first half of games (Lookman's was one I witnesssed first hand)
Finally there is the obvious rational conclusion to the regime's overall approach. If on "principle" they have enforced the third lowest playing budget in the division (with remarkably close outcome for league position) why should we not believe that they have cut the health and fitness budget in the same way? Everything else has been obviously cut. And if you cut such a budget, the consequences are serious for the players who rely on it for their careers. That's my point overall.
Very generous Swisdom when you consider in his first season he was our only goal threat and was a) targeted as such by the opposition b) given absolutely no senior support in the role c) required to play a large part of the season, because there simply was no one else, on one leg.
The whole episode was a monumental cock up by Meire in failing to support the head coach, the squad and the player at the time. Something for which we have all paid a heavy price - not least the player who effectively has to rebuild his career.
If he did end up with some mental issue concerning his fitness (as per Danny Haynes) there is only one group of people who put him in that position.
On what possible basis would you want to a) play for such people b) even consider extending the relationship longer than necessary.
It has been a major disappointment to see such a bubbling talent at the outset reduced to the player he has become.
It is precisely the outcome you can expect when you fail to build the appropriate strength and depth of squad placing undue pressure on certain key players to perform no matter their fitness or form.
It should be a salutary lesson for any young talent considering signing for this regime.
I sincerely hope the young man can rebuild his career in a more positive and supportive environment.
Is it Meire or is it Roland? It's his money after all. He thought it was enough to send us Tucudean and spend a big majority of the budget on Vetokele (£2.6m I think was said to be the fee). Peeters didn't rate Church (fair enough really) meaning a 17 year old KAG came in as our 3rd choice striker.
The obvious degrading of our medical and fitness resources is one they both bear responsibíity for. I fear it is such that they are in breach of their duty of care to the young players
I don't know, I think they look after some of them quite well.
Milhail Kennedy for example. Got a few unexpected first team appearances. Rewarded with a 2.5 year contract. Lost his place but we were relegated which will give him another chance in the first team at a lower level.
Under another ownership he might have been released before he could have achieved all of that.
Well you seem to have a lot of good insights on the playing side so I am surprised you say that. Some of the signs to me are:
- Vetokele himself. At the beginning of the season we learnt that there was a dispute within the medical and fitness team about whether he was fit to play. They then played him. I saw a player who, apart from anything else, was at least a stone overweight. And therefore on that basis alone, not fit to play.
- the departure of well regarded people from the medical and fitness staff
- the dithering over the diagnosis and treatment of Kashi
- the vague information about the injury to Bauer
- the apparently high number of non-impact injuries sustained in the first half of games (Lookman's was one I witnesssed first hand)
Finally there is the obvious rational conclusion to the regime's overall approach. If on "principle" they have enforced the third lowest playing budget in the division (with remarkably close outcome for league position) why should we not believe that they have cut the health and fitness budget in the same way? Everything else has been obviously cut. And if you cut such a budget, the consequences are serious for the players who rely on it for their careers. That's my point overall.
I agree, it wasn't a serious comment. They're handing out longer term contracts to a lot of young players which can be a good thing. However when they're so set on keeping to a small budget maybe they shouldn't have so many tied down for 2/3 years especially with players that are still some way off the first team at 18/19 years old. Not many that are good enough wait until they're in their 20s to break through.
I was looking at injuries the other day for the next FM and was surprised how many games Cousins and JBG missed due to minor injuries. If you looked at how many appearances they made you wouldn't think that was the case. That's probably played some part in them not playing as well as the season before. How often were they rushed back because we didn't have much else?
There was an interesting article on Leicester. They've didn't get lucky with injuries, a lot of work went on behind the scenes and as well as keeping players fit they've taken into account their style of play:
If RD spent more on a proven head coach/manager, coaching staff, a good scouting network, fitness staff and set up he probably could run smaller squads and save on transfer fees, wages etc.
Instead he wants to cut corners in all those areas. That meant we regularly changing head coach, the wrong players were signed, young players were thrown into the team too early and we picked up lot of injuries.
I apologise if this has been mentioned but when relegation clauses are in a contact they often protect both sides. Igor might have a significant pay cut on relegation and his agent would, obviously, have insisted that he had an exit route in that instance.
Hermann Hreidarsson was rumoured to have a similar deal with us where he had a pay cut if we went down but could trigger a free transfer. That protected us from having to pay him Premier League wages in the second division and it protected him in that he would have a longer contract, all be it on less money, but if he was able to secure Premier League money elsewhere he could take it.
After the disaster of Marcus Bent and Amady Faye (both being on serious money and, frankly, not up for the second division) it is understandable that we would make every effort to protect ourselves in the event of a relegation.
I also suspect that Igor hasn't provided good value for money since he suffered his first injury and if we can't rely on him being fit enough to play then getting his wages off the payroll is, probably, desirable, even if it means letting him go on a free.
If RD spent more on a proven head coach/manager, coaching staff, a good scouting network, fitness staff and set up he probably could run smaller squads and save on transfer fees, wages etc.
Instead he wants to cut corners in all those areas. That meant we regularly changing head coach, the wrong players were signed, young players were thrown into the team too early and we picked up lot of injuries.
Exactly. But RD does not understand the wisdom of what you are saying. At various time, many chairmen who take over a club don't understand it either. But RD is unique in that he thinks he understands everything necessary to know, and listens to no wiser counsel. It seems to be the way he is.
I apologise if this has been mentioned but when relegation clauses are in a contact they often protect both sides. Igor might have a significant pay cut on relegation and his agent would, obviously, have insisted that he had an exit route in that instance.
Hermann Hreidarsson was rumoured to have a similar deal with us where he had a pay cut if we went down but could trigger a free transfer. That protected us from having to pay him Premier League wages in the second division and it protected him in that he would have a longer contract, all be it on less money, but if he was able to secure Premier League money elsewhere he could take it.
After the disaster of Marcus Bent and Amady Faye (both being on serious money and, frankly, not up for the second division) it is understandable that we would make every effort to protect ourselves in the event of a relegation.
I also suspect that Igor hasn't provided good value for money since he suffered his first injury and if we can't rely on him being fit enough to play then getting his wages off the payroll is, probably, desirable, even if it means letting him go on a free.
At last! I was about to mention H.H. (and others) who have had similar clauses in their contracts but maybe there could be way KM can be blamed retrospectively for those deals also? Likewise KM has been blamed for losing a potential manager who lives in Sheffield and preferred to manage a Sheffield Club. Was she around when other potential managers, including Eddie Howe and Phil Parkinson (who he?) turned us down?
How comes JBG hasn't been given the same leniency from our fans even though he has been carrying an injury through much of the season, but actually produced a lot more than Igor?
How comes JBG hasn't been given the same leniency from our fans even though he has been carrying an injury through much of the season, but actually produced a lot more than Igor?
Because JBG had the audacity to pout at the fans after they gave one of his teammates shit loads of abuse for missing a shot.
Good luck to him, treated terrible by the club over his injury, hopefully gets his career back on track and it has not done any serious long term damage.
Nice of him to pick up his wages whilst doing nothing much and fail to contribute when he was fit. Equally nice not to say "I reckon I owe them a season to get promoted and to repay pay them for paying for my rehabilitation while I did a Kelly Youga and didn't play when I was actually fit"
I know my stance is overly simplistic but I don't think it's as cut and dried as you've put.
Do you think Roland and Katrien would welcome paying his wages for next season? Personally, I doubt it, especially if it is true that they have made clear to Jordan Cousins they want him out too, as has been suggested elsewhere. I doubt if Cousins is paid as much as Vetokele.
Duchatelet expects his teams to stand alone financially even if the majority of his decision making leads to a vicious circle of lower league positions and less income. Avoiding league 2 will be an achievement with the clowns running / ruining the club.
The mismanagement and degrading of the Charlton team is still appalling and surprising. How can Meire / Duchatelet even think about pushing Cousins out ? This is appalling if true. Getting rid of any player from here because of the wages is because Duchatelet does not want to put his hand in his pocket to fund it. There are no excuses of FFP to use. Duchatelet and Meire look like they are bothered about promotion from League One. Why the hell did Duchatelet buy Chartlton ? What is the point ?
Good luck to him, treated terrible by the club over his injury, hopefully gets his career back on track and it has not done any serious long term damage.
Nice of him to pick up his wages whilst doing nothing much and fail to contribute when he was fit. Equally nice not to say "I reckon I owe them a season to get promoted and to repay pay them for paying for my rehabilitation while I did a Kelly Youga and didn't play when I was actually fit"
I know my stance is overly simplistic but I don't think it's as cut and dried as you've put.
Do you think Roland and Katrien would welcome paying his wages for next season? Personally, I doubt it, especially if it is true that they have made clear to Jordan Cousins they want him out too, as has been suggested elsewhere. I doubt if Cousins is paid as much as Vetokele.
Duchatelet expects his teams to stand alone financially even if the majority of his decision making leads to a vicious circle of lower league positions and less income. Avoiding league 2 will be an achievement with the clowns running / ruining the club.
The mismanagement and degrading of the Charlton team is still appalling and surprising. How can Meire / Duchatelet even think about pushing Cousins out ? This is appalling if true. Getting rid of any player from here because of the wages is because Duchatelet does not want to put his hand in his pocket to fund it. There are no excuses of FFP to use. Duchatelet and Meire look like they are bothered about promotion from League One. Why the hell did Duchatelet buy Chartlton ? What is the point ?
If RD spent more on a proven head coach/manager, coaching staff, a good scouting network, fitness staff and set up he probably could run smaller squads and save on transfer fees, wages etc.
Instead he wants to cut corners in all those areas. That meant we regularly changing head coach, the wrong players were signed, young players were thrown into the team too early and we picked up lot of injuries.
Exactly. But RD does not understand the wisdom of what you are saying. At various time, many chairmen who take over a club don't understand it either. But RD is unique in that he thinks he understands everything necessary to know, and listens to no wiser counsel. It seems to be the way he is.
And some fans believe RD has now learned the error of his ways ?
Have they fallen out with Rich Cawley then? He's usually the go to man when Katrien wants a story circulated about the brilliant transfer deals she's busy negotiating.
Katrien, if you're reading this, here's a tip: When negotiating his transfer, don't set a final figure, look to sell him by the pound and you'll maximise your earnings to offset the money already down the drain on his initial purchase and contract.
Very generous Swisdom when you consider in his first season he was our only goal threat and was a) targeted as such by the opposition b) given absolutely no senior support in the role c) required to play a large part of the season, because there simply was no one else, on one leg.
The whole episode was a monumental cock up by Meire in failing to support the head coach, the squad and the player at the time. Something for which we have all paid a heavy price - not least the player who effectively has to rebuild his career.
If he did end up with some mental issue concerning his fitness (as per Danny Haynes) there is only one group of people who put him in that position.
On what possible basis would you want to a) play for such people b) even consider extending the relationship longer than necessary.
It has been a major disappointment to see such a bubbling talent at the outset reduced to the player he has become.
It is precisely the outcome you can expect when you fail to build the appropriate strength and depth of squad placing undue pressure on certain key players to perform no matter their fitness or form.
It should be a salutary lesson for any young talent considering signing for this regime.
I sincerely hope the young man can rebuild his career in a more positive and supportive environment.
Is it Meire or is it Roland? It's his money after all. He thought it was enough to send us Tucudean and spend a big majority of the budget on Vetokele (£2.6m I think was said to be the fee). Peeters didn't rate Church (fair enough really) meaning a 17 year old KAG came in as our 3rd choice striker.
The obvious degrading of our medical and fitness resources is one they both bear responsibíity for. I fear it is such that they are in breach of their duty of care to the young players
I don't know, I think they look after some of them quite well.
Milhail Kennedy for example. Got a few unexpected first team appearances. Rewarded with a 2.5 year contract. Lost his place but we were relegated which will give him another chance in the first team at a lower level.
Under another ownership he might have been released before he could have achieved all of that.
Well you seem to have a lot of good insights on the playing side so I am surprised you say that. Some of the signs to me are:
- Vetokele himself. At the beginning of the season we learnt that there was a dispute within the medical and fitness team about whether he was fit to play. They then played him. I saw a player who, apart from anything else, was at least a stone overweight. And therefore on that basis alone, not fit to play.
- the departure of well regarded people from the medical and fitness staff
- the dithering over the diagnosis and treatment of Kashi
- the vague information about the injury to Bauer
- the apparently high number of non-impact injuries sustained in the first half of games (Lookman's was one I witnesssed first hand)
Finally there is the obvious rational conclusion to the regime's overall approach. If on "principle" they have enforced the third lowest playing budget in the division (with remarkably close outcome for league position) why should we not believe that they have cut the health and fitness budget in the same way? Everything else has been obviously cut. And if you cut such a budget, the consequences are serious for the players who rely on it for their careers. That's my point overall.
I agree that our medical team is a mess. However for Igor to be a stone overweight is surely down to the player. To me that showed poor discipline on his behalf
Very generous Swisdom when you consider in his first season he was our only goal threat and was a) targeted as such by the opposition b) given absolutely no senior support in the role c) required to play a large part of the season, because there simply was no one else, on one leg.
The whole episode was a monumental cock up by Meire in failing to support the head coach, the squad and the player at the time. Something for which we have all paid a heavy price - not least the player who effectively has to rebuild his career.
If he did end up with some mental issue concerning his fitness (as per Danny Haynes) there is only one group of people who put him in that position.
On what possible basis would you want to a) play for such people b) even consider extending the relationship longer than necessary.
It has been a major disappointment to see such a bubbling talent at the outset reduced to the player he has become.
It is precisely the outcome you can expect when you fail to build the appropriate strength and depth of squad placing undue pressure on certain key players to perform no matter their fitness or form.
It should be a salutary lesson for any young talent considering signing for this regime.
I sincerely hope the young man can rebuild his career in a more positive and supportive environment.
Is it Meire or is it Roland? It's his money after all. He thought it was enough to send us Tucudean and spend a big majority of the budget on Vetokele (£2.6m I think was said to be the fee). Peeters didn't rate Church (fair enough really) meaning a 17 year old KAG came in as our 3rd choice striker.
The obvious degrading of our medical and fitness resources is one they both bear responsibíity for. I fear it is such that they are in breach of their duty of care to the young players
I don't know, I think they look after some of them quite well.
Milhail Kennedy for example. Got a few unexpected first team appearances. Rewarded with a 2.5 year contract. Lost his place but we were relegated which will give him another chance in the first team at a lower level.
Under another ownership he might have been released before he could have achieved all of that.
Well you seem to have a lot of good insights on the playing side so I am surprised you say that. Some of the signs to me are:
- Vetokele himself. At the beginning of the season we learnt that there was a dispute within the medical and fitness team about whether he was fit to play. They then played him. I saw a player who, apart from anything else, was at least a stone overweight. And therefore on that basis alone, not fit to play.
- the departure of well regarded people from the medical and fitness staff
- the dithering over the diagnosis and treatment of Kashi
- the vague information about the injury to Bauer
- the apparently high number of non-impact injuries sustained in the first half of games (Lookman's was one I witnesssed first hand)
Finally there is the obvious rational conclusion to the regime's overall approach. If on "principle" they have enforced the third lowest playing budget in the division (with remarkably close outcome for league position) why should we not believe that they have cut the health and fitness budget in the same way? Everything else has been obviously cut. And if you cut such a budget, the consequences are serious for the players who rely on it for their careers. That's my point overall.
I agree that our medical team is a mess. However for Igor to be a stone overweight is surely down to the player. To me that showed poor discipline on his behalf
That may or may not be fair. Either way though, it was patently obvious to a10 year old, that he was not fit. That's the point
Very generous Swisdom when you consider in his first season he was our only goal threat and was a) targeted as such by the opposition b) given absolutely no senior support in the role c) required to play a large part of the season, because there simply was no one else, on one leg.
The whole episode was a monumental cock up by Meire in failing to support the head coach, the squad and the player at the time. Something for which we have all paid a heavy price - not least the player who effectively has to rebuild his career.
If he did end up with some mental issue concerning his fitness (as per Danny Haynes) there is only one group of people who put him in that position.
On what possible basis would you want to a) play for such people b) even consider extending the relationship longer than necessary.
It has been a major disappointment to see such a bubbling talent at the outset reduced to the player he has become.
It is precisely the outcome you can expect when you fail to build the appropriate strength and depth of squad placing undue pressure on certain key players to perform no matter their fitness or form.
It should be a salutary lesson for any young talent considering signing for this regime.
I sincerely hope the young man can rebuild his career in a more positive and supportive environment.
Is it Meire or is it Roland? It's his money after all. He thought it was enough to send us Tucudean and spend a big majority of the budget on Vetokele (£2.6m I think was said to be the fee). Peeters didn't rate Church (fair enough really) meaning a 17 year old KAG came in as our 3rd choice striker.
The obvious degrading of our medical and fitness resources is one they both bear responsibíity for. I fear it is such that they are in breach of their duty of care to the young players
I don't know, I think they look after some of them quite well.
Milhail Kennedy for example. Got a few unexpected first team appearances. Rewarded with a 2.5 year contract. Lost his place but we were relegated which will give him another chance in the first team at a lower level.
Under another ownership he might have been released before he could have achieved all of that.
Well you seem to have a lot of good insights on the playing side so I am surprised you say that. Some of the signs to me are:
- Vetokele himself. At the beginning of the season we learnt that there was a dispute within the medical and fitness team about whether he was fit to play. They then played him. I saw a player who, apart from anything else, was at least a stone overweight. And therefore on that basis alone, not fit to play.
- the departure of well regarded people from the medical and fitness staff
- the dithering over the diagnosis and treatment of Kashi
- the vague information about the injury to Bauer
- the apparently high number of non-impact injuries sustained in the first half of games (Lookman's was one I witnesssed first hand)
Finally there is the obvious rational conclusion to the regime's overall approach. If on "principle" they have enforced the third lowest playing budget in the division (with remarkably close outcome for league position) why should we not believe that they have cut the health and fitness budget in the same way? Everything else has been obviously cut. And if you cut such a budget, the consequences are serious for the players who rely on it for their careers. That's my point overall.
I agree that our medical team is a mess. However for Igor to be a stone overweight is surely down to the player. To me that showed poor discipline on his behalf
Kermogant always look too heavy when he came back after the summer break.
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Shocking bit of business, and arrogance from the club to include a clause like that in the first place.
saying that haven't seen that for a while
Milhail Kennedy for example. Got a few unexpected first team appearances. Rewarded with a 2.5 year contract. Lost his place but we were relegated which will give him another chance in the first team at a lower level.
Under another ownership he might have been released before he could have achieved all of that.
For anyone interested have a look at rule 87 onwards on page 343 of the Premier League Handbook. Do we actually employ any of these people at the moment?
- Vetokele himself. At the beginning of the season we learnt that there was a dispute within the medical and fitness team about whether he was fit to play. They then played him. I saw a player who, apart from anything else, was at least a stone overweight. And therefore on that basis alone, not fit to play.
- the departure of well regarded people from the medical and fitness staff
- the dithering over the diagnosis and treatment of Kashi
- the vague information about the injury to Bauer
- the apparently high number of non-impact injuries sustained in the first half of games (Lookman's was one I witnesssed first hand)
Finally there is the obvious rational conclusion to the regime's overall approach. If on "principle" they have enforced the third lowest playing budget in the division (with remarkably close outcome for league position) why should we not believe that they have cut the health and fitness budget in the same way? Everything else has been obviously cut. And if you cut such a budget, the consequences are serious for the players who rely on it for their careers. That's my point overall.
I was looking at injuries the other day for the next FM and was surprised how many games Cousins and JBG missed due to minor injuries. If you looked at how many appearances they made you wouldn't think that was the case. That's probably played some part in them not playing as well as the season before. How often were they rushed back because we didn't have much else?
There was an interesting article on Leicester. They've didn't get lucky with injuries, a lot of work went on behind the scenes and as well as keeping players fit they've taken into account their style of play:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36189778
If RD spent more on a proven head coach/manager, coaching staff, a good scouting network, fitness staff and set up he probably could run smaller squads and save on transfer fees, wages etc.
Instead he wants to cut corners in all those areas. That meant we regularly changing head coach, the wrong players were signed, young players were thrown into the team too early and we picked up lot of injuries.
Hermann Hreidarsson was rumoured to have a similar deal with us where he had a pay cut if we went down but could trigger a free transfer. That protected us from having to pay him Premier League wages in the second division and it protected him in that he would have a longer contract, all be it on less money, but if he was able to secure Premier League money elsewhere he could take it.
After the disaster of Marcus Bent and Amady Faye (both being on serious money and, frankly, not up for the second division) it is understandable that we would make every effort to protect ourselves in the event of a relegation.
I also suspect that Igor hasn't provided good value for money since he suffered his first injury and if we can't rely on him being fit enough to play then getting his wages off the payroll is, probably, desirable, even if it means letting him go on a free.
@Scoham
If RD spent more on a proven head coach/manager, coaching staff, a good scouting network, fitness staff and set up he probably could run smaller squads and save on transfer fees, wages etc.
Instead he wants to cut corners in all those areas. That meant we regularly changing head coach, the wrong players were signed, young players were thrown into the team too early and we picked up lot of injuries.
Exactly. But RD does not understand the wisdom of what you are saying. At various time, many chairmen who take over a club don't understand it either. But RD is unique in that he thinks he understands everything necessary to know, and listens to no wiser counsel. It seems to be the way he is.
Likewise KM has been blamed for losing a potential manager who lives in Sheffield and preferred to manage a Sheffield Club. Was she around when other potential managers, including Eddie Howe and Phil Parkinson (who he?) turned us down?
The mismanagement and degrading of the Charlton team is still appalling and surprising. How can Meire / Duchatelet even think about pushing Cousins out ? This is appalling if true. Getting rid of any player from here because of the wages is because Duchatelet does not want to put his hand in his pocket to fund it. There are no excuses of FFP to use. Duchatelet and Meire look like they are bothered about promotion from League One. Why the hell did Duchatelet buy Chartlton ? What is the point ?
Unbelievable !
That may or may not be fair. Either way though, it was patently obvious to a10 year old, that he was not fit. That's the point