Before I take my painkiller meds, overall I thought that sounded like a great effort from the whole team away to a good side, we made them look ordinary.
Well done to all the players, and to Riga.
The sort of performance we want from the team. Much better than I expected.
Gutted we didn't squeeze what would have been an amazing but deserved win.
I hate Karel Fraeye more and more as every game goes by.
Hate the ones who employed him in the 1st place more
I think that this is a key question which should be asked and asked again until we have an answer. Who actually employed Fraeye - and lied about him being interim - and then let him stay for almost a quarter of the season when he was clearly not up to it. That's much of the reason we are in the shit and we should demand an answer. Not that we will get one but ...
A good performance by the sound of it but in terms of the time of the season not quite enough. If only you could stop the other teams picking up points. The Karel Fraeye appointment is proving to be the thing that broke the season alongside the lack of depth at the start. The mediocre January window didn't help either. It is a pity that the team is finally start to look decent right at the end.
No complaints - we went for it - wasn't our day. Need to keep playing like that and hope a team goes on a bad run - it does happen and we shouldn't give up till it's alll over. Sounds like we sussed Ipswich out - frustrating that a team as limited as them can me sniffing at the play-offs whilst we are probably going down. Thanks Karel!
Sums up my feelings exactly, and about every side Mick McCarthy has managed. Was at the Valley last year, watched the game on telly this year, and listening to tonight, it's a group of average, old, experienced but limited Champo players who have one way of playing.
Nonetheless, Riga started with Harriot, Sanogo, Lookman, and JBG, probably braver than I would have been in the situation. We sounded good, wonder what it would have been like if JBG hadn't gone down injured.
I still think there are a couple of twists and turns in it.It feels like we're putting a run together at just about the right time. Results haven't gone our way but the teams down near the bottom won't be playing each other every week. Every year there seems to be a team that puts a run together and gets out of it, and another who gets complacent and dragged back in. With us playing relatively well I'm not ready to give up quite yet. Let the hope slowly kill me.
I hate to sound like an absolute miserable bastard but I have accepted relegation as the sum total of our efforts under this regime for a long time now. 2 years of incompetence, lies, mismanagement and arrogance catches up with you. Roland you are now staring the fruits of your work in the face. It's what you deserve.
It's not what we deserve and some of you who I respect greatly still had hope. I haven't been celebrating goals or wins for a long time now. The wins against Boro and Brum were token gestures for me. Why should I accept that we cobble together a few results in the last 10 games to put up with having my love and faith for this club crushed and stamped on by the mismanagement and incomptence of our fool of a leader and his toy box of fools doing his day to day bidding.
And now we will see Roland's clueless backlash - there has been and there will be no planning for League One. We will not do a Wigan. They like us, went down last year in a mess. They've gone back to basics and should go back up. Roland will leave the league one burden on yet more youth players. Riga will have less to work with. More support staff will probably get axed as Roland looks to cut his spending even more, yet we will have to put up with paying wages to Nabby Sarr for another 4 years.
So many mistakes, absolutely no accountability and they won't be held to justice. They've just set this club back years. Another club Roland has infected, his cancer destroying years of hard work.
I got annoyed on Saturday because at the end of the game the chap who sits in front of me pointed to my Roland out badge as if to say 'why are you wearing it'. I respect him, he's a nice guy, but you cannot hide from the facts. Roland has done FAILURE. There are no excuses. Time to go
I hate Karel Fraeye more and more as every game goes by.
Hate the ones who employed him in the 1st place more
I think that this is a key question which should be asked and asked again until we have an answer. Who actually employed Fraeye - and lied about him being interim - and then let him stay for almost a quarter of the season when he was clearly not up to it. That's much of the reason we are in the shit and we should demand an answer. Not that we will get one but ...
I think it was very much a 100% Roland decision and the CEO had no say in it.
Whilst I agree the hope is what hurts I am looking at Huddersfield as the surprise team to fall - stranger things but will hold onto that until Saturday!
Six games ... if the four sides above us only win one each we still need ten points (allowing for the dire goal difference). Draws, however well we play and hard we battle, aren't good enough any more.
I Know QPR are in the same boat, but I wonder whether we have the fitness and stamina for a third game in eight days. When your backs are against the wall, and have been for months, it takes a toll.
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Using Katrien Meire as CEO of a complex organisation and Tony Keohone as COO, Karel Fraeye as permanent interim manager are the worst short term examples I can recall so far. There must be others.
For instance the loss to the club of @Airman Brown , Phil Chapple, more recently Mel Baroni are also exceptionally poor decisions.
There must be so many more.
Well done Roland, poor decisions will cost you, both cash and credibility. The longer you stay as owner, the more you will lose of both.
On the train home. Had to sit amongst some friends in the Ipswich end which was painful... although some of the comments around me were amusing, 'we should be looking to buy that no. 37 when they go down'... of course you will...
Lookman and Callum were standout players again. Sanogo was awful - couldnt hold the ball up, touch was poor, and considering he has a lot of making up to do after that red card, he did nowhere near enough.
Oh and Fox's crossing was completely abhorrent, though I couldnt get too vociferous about it in the home end...
But if you were a neutral tonight you would have thought Ipswich were the side in the bottom three and us in the top half, which is probably the most succinct way of summarising it.
Really good result but as others have said - too little, too late.
Even more reason to hate the regimé.
Are you using a French keyboard? I would have to try to get the e accent character.
I think he meant "régime" but we can hate the regimé, too. To get the é on Windows it's Alt 130 on the numeric keypad (never tried the numbers along the top), on a Mac it's Alt e then e again (similarly, Alt e then a gives á and so on).
We are down but one or two teams will go on a really shitty run, dragging the whole poxy scenario out for a few more games yet.
Probably need 13 or 15 points to give ourselves a chance. Tall ask, but at least we seem to be coming into form at the right time so stranger things have happened. Diarra's fitness could be key.
MK Dons showing no real sign of picking up form. Brizzle's recent decent run is fizzling out a little bit. Huddersfield slightly further up are faltering and above them Forest are in abysmal form and have been for some weeks.
Winning 4 or 5 of our last 6 is a huge ask so the odds are against us, but if we can somehow do it then there are teams that could still be caught. 3 of our remaining opponents are currently in the top 6 which make it even harder, but the other 3 have nothing to play for and Burnley might have it all stitched up by the last game so might be less up for it than normal. Need everyone fit and a striker or two to hit a sudden hot patch.
Very clear now that the determination to choose unqualified manager/coach/interim again and again, because the owner wanted someone to push around, so he went with those greatful to be in this league and weak with no experience, has totally cost us our Championship status.
The owners choices along with Mieres, have sent us down. No two ways about it. But we all know this anyway.
Really good result but as others have said - too little, too late.
Even more reason to hate the regimé.
Are you using a French keyboard? I would have to try to get the e accent character.
I think he meant "régime" but we can hate the regimé, too. To get the é on Windows it's 130 on the numeric keypad (never tried the numbers along the top), on a Mac it's e then e again (similarly, e then a gives á and so on).
If you have a keyboard with an "AltGr" key then that and the letter e will give you é.
I hate to sound like an absolute miserable bastard but I have accepted relegation as the sum total of our efforts under this regime for a long time now. 2 years of incompetence, lies, mismanagement and arrogance catches up with you. Roland you are now staring the fruits of your work in the face. It's what you deserve.
It's not what we deserve and some of you who I respect greatly still had hope. I haven't been celebrating goals or wins for a long time now. The wins against Boro and Brum were token gestures for me. Why should I accept that we cobble together a few results in the last 10 games to put up with having my love and faith for this club crushed and stamped on by the mismanagement and incomptence of our fool of a leader and his toy box of fools doing his day to day bidding.
And now we will see Roland's clueless backlash - there has been and there will be no planning for League One. We will not do a Wigan. They like us, went down last year in a mess. They've gone back to basics and should go back up. Roland will leave the league one burden on yet more youth players. Riga will have less to work with. More support staff will probably get axed as Roland looks to cut his spending even more, yet we will have to put up with paying wages to Nabby Sarr for another 4 years.
So many mistakes, absolutely no accountability and they won't be held to justice. They've just set this club back years. Another club Roland has infected, his cancer destroying years of hard work.
I got annoyed on Saturday because at the end of the game the chap who sits in front of me pointed to my Roland out badge as if to say 'why are you wearing it'. I respect him, he's a nice guy, but you cannot hide from the facts. Roland has done FAILURE. There are no excuses. Time to go
The shame of it is, though, it's not what we deserve.
First, thanks for the posts. I had Barcelona v Atlético Madrid as background noise, and it was awfull- Barcelona are a buch of whingeing wankers. As for us...... If only we never had Karel Fraeye. If only we had genuinely learned from our mistakes the first season. If only we had sacked Fraeye before christmas, if only, if only, then tonight would have been a good result and great performance. But our fine leader wanted people he could trust at the helm, and thanks to that (even Fraeye was a victim looked at that way) we are going to run out of room. And great performances now will count for nowt when the best players are sold in the summer sales. I can't fault the team, or Riga, tonight we tried our hardest, and you can't ask for more. But the regime chose this direction, and if we go down, the Fraeye appointment will go down as the most foolish and ghastly mistake imagineable. Roland out.
The last paragraph hits the nail on the head for me. Shame RD wasn't man enough to put out a statement to apologise for his decision to appoint the inexperienced KF instead of a statement blaming the fans for our problems.
I would definitely keep Riga for next season. Partly because he seems a decent manager who the players respond to, partly because it'll mean SOME continuity - and partly because I fucking dread to think who they'll appoint if Jose goes. Marc Wilmots? Mark Ronson? Mark Wahlberg?
Ordinarily I'd be happy with a draw at Portman Road, but we needed a win really as we are running out of games. Bristol/Rotherham was probably the best result we could have hoped for and 3 points would have put us above MKD and 5 behind Rotherham. We seem to slip up when others around us slip up, and win when they win, which isn't helping unfortunately.
I've been resigned to Relegation since the MK Dons game, so anything is a bonus. I'm glad the team are giving it a go though, there's more fight in them now it seems than at any other time this season.
I would definitely keep Riga for next season. Partly because he seems a decent manager who the players respond to, partly because it'll mean SOME continuity - and partly because I fucking dread to think who they'll appoint if Jose goes. Marc Wilmots? Mark Ronson? Mark Wahlberg?
I would definitely keep Riga for next season. Partly because he seems a decent manager who the players respond to, partly because it'll mean SOME continuity - and partly because I fucking dread to think who they'll appoint if Jose goes. Marc Wilmots? Mark Ronson? Mark Wahlberg?
No-Mark
'We couldn't get our first choice Marc, but we carry out extensive interview process, huh, and although we couldn't get our second Mark (Ronson), we get our third, huh. He also likes to be called Diggler.'
Just got home. We were the better team overall but agree that I couldn't see us scoring as the game went on. Good going forward but final ball every time and poor decision making cost us the three points. That and Sanogo was fucking shit.
On the train home. Had to sit amongst some friends in the Ipswich end which was painful... although some of the comments around me were amusing, 'we should be looking to buy that no. 37 when they go down'... of course you will...
Lookman and Callum were standout players again. Sanogo was awful - couldnt hold the ball up, touch was poor, and considering he has a lot of making up to do after that red card, he did nowhere near enough.
Oh and Fox's crossing was completely abhorrent, though I couldnt get too vociferous about it in the home end...
But if you were a neutral tonight you would have thought Ipswich were the side in the bottom three and us in the top half, which is probably the most succinct way of summarising it.
I was wondering how long it would take for this to crop up. He put in two overhit crosses in the second half and two decent ones. However, this was counterbalanced by his excellent overall defensive display. He sat tight on Feeney and never really gave him a look in. He read the game well and was first to win the ball more often than not. But alas, two bad crosses (and yes, he needs to sort his crossing out), he generally gets hammered.
Overall a really decent team display against a shockingly woeful Ipswich (bar Sears). First half, lots of giving the ball away when it was easier to find a white shirt; Cousins and Diarra particularly guilty. Harriott and Lookman worked so hard though and caused their defence some grief for sure. You wouldn't have thought that Solly had been out for a while and Motta looked quite good when he came on to replace Gudmundsson. He definitely is far more comfortable in an attacking role. Sanogo is a real enigma. Started really well and caused them some problems but his lack of pace and poor decision making is his downfall. He won't make it at Prem level for sure. Didn't have any real clear cut chances but tested their keeper near the end and should have scored. Looked edgy in and around the area though and Harriott had a good chance that he blazed over with his right foot. Makienok's cameo near the end saw him slip over a couple of times and that was about it; little time for any real impact though.
All in all made a really good fist of it, but of course, it's too little too late.
Just got in, shame we deserved 3 points really. No idea why Sanogo stayed on for the whole match he looked dead on his feet second half and would have liked to see Igor on much earlier. They were so slow at the back Harriot and Lookman were causing them problems. Defence was sound, Cousins and Diarra worked hard without much joy. I thought Fox was decent but wasted two crosses late on when he got right under both and they sailed out the other side of the pitch. How their number 3 was still on the pitch I'll never know could have been sent off for the late challenge on JBG but then carried on.
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Well done to all the players, and to Riga.
The sort of performance we want from the team. Much better than I expected.
Gutted we didn't squeeze what would have been an amazing but deserved win.
Nonetheless, Riga started with Harriot, Sanogo, Lookman, and JBG, probably braver than I would have been in the situation. We sounded good, wonder what it would have been like if JBG hadn't gone down injured.
I still think there are a couple of twists and turns in it.It feels like we're putting a run together at just about the right time. Results haven't gone our way but the teams down near the bottom won't be playing each other every week. Every year there seems to be a team that puts a run together and gets out of it, and another who gets complacent and dragged back in. With us playing relatively well I'm not ready to give up quite yet. Let the hope slowly kill me.
It's not what we deserve and some of you who I respect greatly still had hope. I haven't been celebrating goals or wins for a long time now. The wins against Boro and Brum were token gestures for me. Why should I accept that we cobble together a few results in the last 10 games to put up with having my love and faith for this club crushed and stamped on by the mismanagement and incomptence of our fool of a leader and his toy box of fools doing his day to day bidding.
And now we will see Roland's clueless backlash - there has been and there will be no planning for League One. We will not do a Wigan. They like us, went down last year in a mess. They've gone back to basics and should go back up. Roland will leave the league one burden on yet more youth players. Riga will have less to work with. More support staff will probably get axed as Roland looks to cut his spending even more, yet we will have to put up with paying wages to Nabby Sarr for another 4 years.
So many mistakes, absolutely no accountability and they won't be held to justice. They've just set this club back years. Another club Roland has infected, his cancer destroying years of hard work.
I got annoyed on Saturday because at the end of the game the chap who sits in front of me pointed to my Roland out badge as if to say 'why are you wearing it'. I respect him, he's a nice guy, but you cannot hide from the facts. Roland has done FAILURE. There are no excuses. Time to go
I Know QPR are in the same boat, but I wonder whether we have the fitness and stamina for a third game in eight days. When your backs are against the wall, and have been for months, it takes a toll.
Using Katrien Meire as CEO of a complex organisation and Tony Keohone as COO, Karel Fraeye as permanent interim manager are the worst short term examples I can recall so far. There must be others.
For instance the loss to the club of @Airman Brown , Phil Chapple, more recently Mel Baroni are also exceptionally poor decisions.
There must be so many more.
Well done Roland, poor decisions will cost you, both cash and credibility. The longer you stay as owner, the more you will lose of both.
Lookman and Callum were standout players again. Sanogo was awful - couldnt hold the ball up, touch was poor, and considering he has a lot of making up to do after that red card, he did nowhere near enough.
Oh and Fox's crossing was completely abhorrent, though I couldnt get too vociferous about it in the home end...
But if you were a neutral tonight you would have thought Ipswich were the side in the bottom three and us in the top half, which is probably the most succinct way of summarising it.
Edited to show the Alts.
MK Dons showing no real sign of picking up form. Brizzle's recent decent run is fizzling out a little bit. Huddersfield slightly further up are faltering and above them Forest are in abysmal form and have been for some weeks.
Winning 4 or 5 of our last 6 is a huge ask so the odds are against us, but if we can somehow do it then there are teams that could still be caught. 3 of our remaining opponents are currently in the top 6 which make it even harder, but the other 3 have nothing to play for and Burnley might have it all stitched up by the last game so might be less up for it than normal. Need everyone fit and a striker or two to hit a sudden hot patch.
I'm killing myself with hope here.
The owners choices along with Mieres, have sent us down. No two ways about it. But we all know this anyway.
Marc Wilmots?
Mark Ronson?
Mark Wahlberg?
I've been resigned to Relegation since the MK Dons game, so anything is a bonus. I'm glad the team are giving it a go though, there's more fight in them now it seems than at any other time this season.
Roland + Meire / Fraeye = failure.
I wouldn't put is past Roland to blame this on those who told him to get Riga in and dump the bloke from Ujpest on us next season.
Can you imagine how bad that will be?
In usual circumstances this would be a decent point. Thanks to the Dear Leader and his cohorts its irrelevant.
Overall a really decent team display against a shockingly woeful Ipswich (bar Sears). First half, lots of giving the ball away when it was easier to find a white shirt; Cousins and Diarra particularly guilty. Harriott and Lookman worked so hard though and caused their defence some grief for sure. You wouldn't have thought that Solly had been out for a while and Motta looked quite good when he came on to replace Gudmundsson. He definitely is far more comfortable in an attacking role. Sanogo is a real enigma. Started really well and caused them some problems but his lack of pace and poor decision making is his downfall. He won't make it at Prem level for sure. Didn't have any real clear cut chances but tested their keeper near the end and should have scored. Looked edgy in and around the area though and Harriott had a good chance that he blazed over with his right foot. Makienok's cameo near the end saw him slip over a couple of times and that was about it; little time for any real impact though.
All in all made a really good fist of it, but of course, it's too little too late.
If every team carried their last 6 games form into the next 6 games the table would end up:
Rotherham 57
Blackburn 52
Fulham 52
Bristol City 51
Huddersfield 51
Forest 50
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Charlton 47
MK Dons 42
Bolton 27
You would think that both Huddersfield & Forest who are on very poor runs - will snap out of it as they get dragged further down.
Rotherham are the form team at the moment.
One problem we have is we don't have any "six pointer" games left against relegation rivals.