Surely the point is to make the shirt look like the 'real thing' when the official versions in the modern game no longer do...real supporters, not customers
Muttly, why black and white? There is enough CARD stuff on sale if you want to wear that. Don't you think a replca should be just that? My fear is that if we do not replicate with subtle changes, some will want to buy the actual. I know my son wants to have a football shirt that represents his club. I suspect that is the same for most who buy them. What we want to do surely is to rob the club of this income. To do this we need to do the same but cheaper .
Great idea, would have one and two for grandchildren. We must do something to keep the kids from losing interest because they don't hang about these days.
I agree wholeheartedly with Muttley. Until they are gone our colours are black and white. That is the surest signal that each of us can give at every game that we wan't them out. If our shirt is red and white, it will look like tacit support for the regime. If our shirt is an exact replica of theirs, we lose a major reason for producing it - instant recognition that the wearer is anti-regime.
Sure, there may be a few fans that want red and chose the regime's offering instead. But I think the key here is for us to have the argument with those people. It comes down to a matter of whose club it is. We wear black because it is our club and we won't be dictated to by the regime. By wearing black we usurp them of their power. If we lose that argument with a handful, that's alright. Just as in every other form of protest, everyone is free to do as they wish. But we should aim for a sea of black whenever there is a crowd of Charlton fans. In any case, the opposite scenario may well be true. Some fans might think, why bother buying a Card-produced red shirt if it doesn't display clearly enough that I wan't the regime out?
Why would anyone want to replicate something this regime has cobbled together, anyway? This is our club and we call the shots. If we decide that the colours are, temporarily, black and white then that's what colours they are.
I agree wholeheartedly with Muttley. Until they are gone our colours are black and white. That is the surest signal that each of us can give at every game that we wan't them out. If our shirt is red and white, it will look like tacit support for the regime. If our shirt is an exact replica of theirs, we lose a major reason for producing it - instant recognition that the wearer is anti-regime.
Sure, there may be a few fans that want red and chose the regime's offering instead. But I think the key here is for us to have the argument with those people. It comes down to a matter of whose club it is. We wear black because it is our club and we won't be dictated to by the regime. By wearing black we usurp them of their power. If we lose that argument with a handful, that's alright. Just as in every other form of protest, everyone is free to do as they wish. But we should aim for a sea of black whenever there is a crowd of Charlton fans. In any case, the opposite scenario may well be true. Some fans might think, why bother buying a Card-produced red shirt if it doesn't display clearly enough that I wan't the regime out?
Why would anyone want to replicate something this regime has cobbled together, anyway? This is our club and we call the shots. If we decide that the colours are, temporarily, black and white then that's what colours they are.
It sends out a far stronger message if Charlton fans wear a traditional red shirt, it says WE are Charlton Athletic Football Club. Wearing black and white acknowledges Roland is Charlton Athletic Football Club and he owns the red and white colours
It sends out a far stronger message if Charlton fans wear a traditional red shirt, it says WE are Charlton Athletic Football Club. Wearing black and white acknowledges Roland is Charlton Athletic Football Club and he owns the red and white colours
Our aim is to get rid of Roland. You can't begin to do that without acknowledging that he is here.
It seems to me that there are two main reasons for producing our own shirts:
1: As Stig says to show the regime that we do not support them but do support the team - in that case the shirt is black or black and white. 2: To take revenue away from the club by buying our shirt rather than theirs - in that case the shirt is red and white or red because a lot of fans, whilst supporting CARD, want to be identified with the club more than the protest
The organisers of this shirt production have to decide why they are producing the shirt or if it is both reasons perhaps they have to produce two shirts.
It sends out a far stronger message if Charlton fans wear a traditional red shirt, it says WE are Charlton Athletic Football Club. Wearing black and white acknowledges Roland is Charlton Athletic Football Club and he owns the red and white colours
I can't but agree especially with a sponsor. Coco5 and the Data guys come on fellas you know it makes sense.
i have got the shirt that Len Glover is modelling. When my Dad took me to the Valley in 1962 that was the shirt I remember.
Worn from 64 to 65 two seasons...great shirt isnt it?...first one I saw us play in as a nipper. I think they changed the socks between seasons if my history is correct.
i have got the shirt that Len Glover is modelling. When my Dad took me to the Valley in 1962 that was the shirt I remember.
Worn from 64 to 65 two seasons...great shirt isnt it?...first one I saw us play in as a nipper. I think they changed the socks between seasons if my history is correct.
A bit like me, I only have two pairs of socks a year! ;0)
Haven't read the whole thread so it might have been covered already, but are we likely to have new shirts next season and do you think it's likely we will have a black and white away kit? Seems like something the club might do either as a crap way to 'engage' with fans, or just to be really annoying and provocative. In which case the black and white replica shirt won't have the desired effect and it might aswell just be red?
If we really want to get our message out then a packed covered end (that's the lower part of the northern stand) where where we are all wearing a red football shirt not supplied by the club and doesn't have the club's shirt sponsor on it has the potential to send shock waves around the world .
If we really want to get our message out then a packed covered end (that's the lower part of the northern stand) where where we are all wearing a red football shirt not supplied by the club and doesn't have the club's shirt sponsor on it has the potential to send shock waves around the world .
In fact, it might be worth making one of our remaining home games a red t shirt as these can probably be bought quite cheaply by everybody
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What we want to do surely is to rob the club of this income. To do this we need to do the same but cheaper .
Sure, there may be a few fans that want red and chose the regime's offering instead. But I think the key here is for us to have the argument with those people. It comes down to a matter of whose club it is. We wear black because it is our club and we won't be dictated to by the regime. By wearing black we usurp them of their power. If we lose that argument with a handful, that's alright. Just as in every other form of protest, everyone is free to do as they wish. But we should aim for a sea of black whenever there is a crowd of Charlton fans. In any case, the opposite scenario may well be true. Some fans might think, why bother buying a Card-produced red shirt if it doesn't display clearly enough that I wan't the regime out?
Why would anyone want to replicate something this regime has cobbled together, anyway? This is our club and we call the shots. If we decide that the colours are, temporarily, black and white then that's what colours they are.
Stay on track, wear the black!
Or http://www.toffs.com/content/images/thumbs/0017382_charlton-athletic-1947-fa-cup-final-retro-football-shirt.jpeg
1: As Stig says to show the regime that we do not support them but do support the team - in that case the shirt is black or black and white.
2: To take revenue away from the club by buying our shirt rather than theirs - in that case the shirt is red and white or red because a lot of fans, whilst supporting CARD, want to be identified with the club more than the protest
The organisers of this shirt production have to decide why they are producing the shirt or if it is both reasons perhaps they have to produce two shirts.
I think that I tend towards the black and white. Just look how well custmers have taken to the black and white scarves.
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