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Definition of insanity: Doing exactly the same thing and expecting a different result.
That's 'Why'?0 -
.....does it always rain on me
.....must I be a teenager in love
.....why why Delilah
.....do fools fall in love
.....don't you
.....did the chicken cross the road9 -
"If you Fight,you won't always win.
If you don't Fight, you will definitely lose"25 -
what has protesting achieved so far, Paulie? Nothing.paulie8290 said:every single reply not one of you has answered my question.
Did it help Blackpool, do you look at Blackpool and think I hope we are in there position in a years time.
or should we just follow Cardiff and Blackburn's example, protests, walk outs, but never actually disrupting a game and the owner like at their clubs eventually backs down
Roland's a twat, but he's not in the same league as the oystons. At least Roland tries to lie about what he's doing to the club.0 -
It's no good,he just doesn't get it.
Move on,let it go..etc
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Let's just not do anything then and rot this club into the ground, that way tickets will be a lot cheaper than £45 in the national league for you and your Mrs.paulie8290 said:Please tell me what disrupting the game on Sunday will do
Just remember Blackpool did it against Huddersfield and what happened, the blackpool fans got heavily criticized for it and everyone felt sorry for the Huddersfield fans.
did it change anything at Blackpool-no, did the owner leave afterwards-no.
so honestly what is it going to achieve, probably going to get loads of abuse for this but I honestly don't understand it.
me and my partner will be there after spending £45, we want to go to watch a game off football not have it abandoned because some idiots think it is at all going to bother the owner if one game gets abandoned5 -
hahahahah, you're suggesting that the success at Cardiff and Blackburn was due to the fans not disrupting a game? And that things at Blackpool haven't changed because they disrupted a game? Jesus christpaulie8290 said:every single reply not one of you has answered my question.
Did it help Blackpool, do you look at Blackpool and think I hope we are in there position in a years time.
or should we just follow Cardiff and Blackburn's example, protests, walk outs, but never actually disrupting a game and the owner like at their clubs eventually backs down
EDIT: Might I add that things at Cardiff and Blackburn were never as bad as they are here.2 -
Paulie may I just take this opportunity to remind you that we are Charlton, not Blackpool. Different clubs owned by different people. Both clubs owners may be pricks, but that doesn't mean they are motivated by the same things.paulie8290 said:every single reply not one of you has answered my question.
Did it help Blackpool, do you look at Blackpool and think I hope we are in there position in a years time.
or should we just follow Cardiff and Blackburn's example, protests, walk outs, but never actually disrupting a game and the owner like at their clubs eventually backs down
As Henry says, constant jabs and making the club hard to run are ways to get at Roland and will defeat him over time. We'll find his weakness through different types of action and drive him away. In year's to come you'll be thankful so you can still enjoy date day at The Valley.
Not sure why I just bothered replying to you as I get the feeling you are with Colin on the clueless side of things, but there we go.1 -
Paulie8290, as the guy who started the most new threads on here in 2014, before you discovered there was a female sex.
Why do you think so many good folk of charlton and CL are prepared to go the extra mile for their football club ?
Stop being an attention seeker and look at the bigger picture.
Card will announce at 12 noon on sunday, what is on the menu for the day.
You are entitled to your views but calling the majority of CL folk Idiots.
Bad form.16 -
paulie8290 said:
Don't pretend you know me and don't for one second question what I understand.blackheathaddick said:
With all due respect Paulie, just because you don't understand (and I get the sense you have no interest in really understanding) that doesn't mean that HI's reasons are incorrect.paulie8290 said:
media questioning- achieves nothingHenry Irving said:The "idiots" as you so nicely dismiss them will also have paid to go to the game.
Not heard what CARD or any other groups or individuals have planned as they don't release that news until 12.00 am on the day so I'll wait till then before condemning them or calling them "idiots"
As for what a disruption or abandonment might achieve
Pressure on KM
Questioning from the media and other fans and more awareness of the issues
A big fine to damage KMs budget
increased police and stewarding costs at this game and all future games
Embarrassment for KM in front of the media and the Boro directors
More press attention in Belgium
Encouragement to Charlton fans that we can act and don't have to "just accept" what Roland does
Any thing else I've missed.
increased police and stewards and a fine (sorry but people worried about ruining the club surely being in debt has more chance of losing the club)
embarrassment- means nothing to them
press attention in Belgium- who cares we are in England
sorry but none of these are reason why RD would change what he is doing or sell the club
Are you happy with how things are? What do you suggest to change things? Sitting behind your keyboard telling people who may or may not be doing something, fighting to change things at our club, and insulting them because you don't have the nous to grasp why they are, doesn't make you right.
yes its tough, we are not the only club to have had tough times because of an owner, but disrupting a game is senseless, it will achieve nothing
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What do you think we should do on Sunday then, Paulie? Nothing? Or rather nothing to stop you and your partner's enjoyment?paulie8290 said:Please tell me what disrupting the game on Sunday will do
Just remember Blackpool did it against Huddersfield and what happened, the blackpool fans got heavily criticized for it and everyone felt sorry for the Huddersfield fans.
did it change anything at Blackpool-no, did the owner leave afterwards-no.
so honestly what is it going to achieve, probably going to get loads of abuse for this but I honestly don't understand it.
me and my partner will be there after spending £45, we want to go to watch a game off football not have it abandoned because some idiots think it is at all going to bother the owner if one game gets abandoned
I haven't heard of definite plans to stop the game anyway, but it would sure as hell be of interest to the media if it happened at a live Sky match.
Moving forwards - as you have basically discounted the effects of a protest to stop the game, is there anything you can think of that CARD should be doing, or do you thin k we should just suck it up from RD & Co whilst accepting there is bugger all we can do about it?
I'd be interested in your thoughts.2 -
You got a crystal ball have you, and can see the club rotting in the ground.BR7_addick said:
Let's just not do anything then and rot this club into the ground, that way tickets will be a lot cheaper than £45 in the national league for you and your Mrs.paulie8290 said:Please tell me what disrupting the game on Sunday will do
Just remember Blackpool did it against Huddersfield and what happened, the blackpool fans got heavily criticized for it and everyone felt sorry for the Huddersfield fans.
did it change anything at Blackpool-no, did the owner leave afterwards-no.
so honestly what is it going to achieve, probably going to get loads of abuse for this but I honestly don't understand it.
me and my partner will be there after spending £45, we want to go to watch a game off football not have it abandoned because some idiots think it is at all going to bother the owner if one game gets abandoned
all these comments are ridiculous.
no one knows what the future holds and as I said if we was top half none of this would be happening.
when RD came in he was shit and didn't know what he was doing
last season we was the last team to lose a match and people on here starting saying maybe he does have a master plan, maybe it will work.
oh shit a dodgy season and he is the worst person on the earth again.
as I said forget the owners they come and go, support the team that will always be here, people saying the club is a risk. what a load of rubbish, what does he have to gain if the club is liquated or put into administration.16 -
paulie8290 said:
Don't pretend you know me and don't for one second question what I understand.blackheathaddick said:
With all due respect Paulie, just because you don't understand (and I get the sense you have no interest in really understanding) that doesn't mean that HI's reasons are incorrect.paulie8290 said:
media questioning- achieves nothingHenry Irving said:The "idiots" as you so nicely dismiss them will also have paid to go to the game.
Not heard what CARD or any other groups or individuals have planned as they don't release that news until 12.00 am on the day so I'll wait till then before condemning them or calling them "idiots"
As for what a disruption or abandonment might achieve
Pressure on KM
Questioning from the media and other fans and more awareness of the issues
A big fine to damage KMs budget
increased police and stewarding costs at this game and all future games
Embarrassment for KM in front of the media and the Boro directors
More press attention in Belgium
Encouragement to Charlton fans that we can act and don't have to "just accept" what Roland does
Any thing else I've missed.
increased police and stewards and a fine (sorry but people worried about ruining the club surely being in debt has more chance of losing the club)
embarrassment- means nothing to them
press attention in Belgium- who cares we are in England
sorry but none of these are reason why RD would change what he is doing or sell the club
Are you happy with how things are? What do you suggest to change things? Sitting behind your keyboard telling people who may or may not be doing something, fighting to change things at our club, and insulting them because you don't have the nous to grasp why they are, doesn't make you right.
yes its tough, we are not the only club to have had tough times because of an owner, but disrupting a game is senseless, it will achieve nothing
I don't pretend I know you. Although I've seen your postings on here over the last couple of years so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to establish you're not the sharpest tool in the box. The fact that you cannot grasp people's responses and state they haven't replied sufficiently just serves to prove that point. I was trying to be tactful, but I guess direct is probably more suitable.21 -
paulie8290 said:
Long term haha if we was mid table chasing top half none of this would be happening, fans are fickle and need to support the team, do you honestly think disrupting a game is going to help the team in anywayStu_of_Kunming said:Helps to make the club unmanagable.
If othing is done, there won't be a CAFC for you and the new piece to watch.
You've got to think longterm.
This argument keeps cropping up. The way I see it, there are roughly three groups of supporters:
1. A small number that hated RD from the outset because he was a bit too different, too Belgian, too 'modern football' - or whatever. These conservative types were desperate to be the droopy-faced victims of a despotic foreign tyrant. I assume this is who your comment is aimed at.
2. A small number of fans that still think everything is ok (like you), in spite of the fact that we are so visibily fucked.
3. The majority of level-headed fans that started off with an open mind, but have watched the club implode under a clueless, hopeless regime - and are now protesting as a result. The league position and this viewpoint go hand in hand, as it is the clearest indication of failure you could get.
NB. I love it when those from group 1 dish out the smug "I knew all along" type comments. Yeah, course you did, lol.3 -
Probably more sharper than youblackheathaddick said:paulie8290 said:
Don't pretend you know me and don't for one second question what I understand.blackheathaddick said:
With all due respect Paulie, just because you don't understand (and I get the sense you have no interest in really understanding) that doesn't mean that HI's reasons are incorrect.paulie8290 said:
media questioning- achieves nothingHenry Irving said:The "idiots" as you so nicely dismiss them will also have paid to go to the game.
Not heard what CARD or any other groups or individuals have planned as they don't release that news until 12.00 am on the day so I'll wait till then before condemning them or calling them "idiots"
As for what a disruption or abandonment might achieve
Pressure on KM
Questioning from the media and other fans and more awareness of the issues
A big fine to damage KMs budget
increased police and stewarding costs at this game and all future games
Embarrassment for KM in front of the media and the Boro directors
More press attention in Belgium
Encouragement to Charlton fans that we can act and don't have to "just accept" what Roland does
Any thing else I've missed.
increased police and stewards and a fine (sorry but people worried about ruining the club surely being in debt has more chance of losing the club)
embarrassment- means nothing to them
press attention in Belgium- who cares we are in England
sorry but none of these are reason why RD would change what he is doing or sell the club
Are you happy with how things are? What do you suggest to change things? Sitting behind your keyboard telling people who may or may not be doing something, fighting to change things at our club, and insulting them because you don't have the nous to grasp why they are, doesn't make you right.
yes its tough, we are not the only club to have had tough times because of an owner, but disrupting a game is senseless, it will achieve nothing
I don't pretend I know you. Although I've seen your postings on here over the last couple of years so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to establish you're not the sharpest tool in the box. The fact that you cannot grasp people's responses and state they haven't replied sufficiently just serves to prove that point. I was trying to be tactful, but I guess direct is probably more suitable.50 -
Just man up and ask Paulie you want Curb_it to send you £45 from the protest fund to cover the ticket cost.14
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When RD came in we'd won league 1 with a record points tally, finished a very very respectable position in the championship in our first year back and were in the quarter final of the FA cup. Look where we are now.paulie8290 said:
You got a crystal ball have you, and can see the club rotting in the ground.BR7_addick said:
Let's just not do anything then and rot this club into the ground, that way tickets will be a lot cheaper than £45 in the national league for you and your Mrs.paulie8290 said:Please tell me what disrupting the game on Sunday will do
Just remember Blackpool did it against Huddersfield and what happened, the blackpool fans got heavily criticized for it and everyone felt sorry for the Huddersfield fans.
did it change anything at Blackpool-no, did the owner leave afterwards-no.
so honestly what is it going to achieve, probably going to get loads of abuse for this but I honestly don't understand it.
me and my partner will be there after spending £45, we want to go to watch a game off football not have it abandoned because some idiots think it is at all going to bother the owner if one game gets abandoned
all these comments are ridiculous.
no one knows what the future holds and as I said if we was top half none of this would be happening.
when RD came in he was shit and didn't know what he was doing
last season we was the last team to lose a match and people on here starting saying maybe he does have a master plan, maybe it will work.
oh shit a dodgy season and he is the worst person on the earth again.
as I said forget the owners they come and go, support the team that will always be here, people saying the club is a risk. what a load of rubbish, what does he have to gain if the club is liquated or put into administration.
Theres a reason that we're not top half.
Look at our squad and think about what that reason is. Let me know if you manage to work it out.
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Fylde coast, lovely on a day like this (shame about Blackpool though).paulie8290 said:
again did it help blackpool, look where they are nowStu_of_Kunming said:Helps to make the club unmanagable.
If nothing is done, there won't be a CAFC for you and the new piece to watch.
You've got to think longterm.
Blackpool are completely different though, the Oystons bring odious to a whole new level and allegedly (as m'learned friends might advise I write) have plundered the club's Premiership monies for their own use. There might even be a suspicion that they dare not sell/leave, because then someone, including potentially HMRC, might be able to have a good look at the books, though I couldn't possibly comment.
I detest Duchatelet, but might happily wish him on some of my worst enemies... The Oystons are utterly beyond the pale.1 -
More sharp or sharper - but not more sharper. Hmmm maybe you're not!paulie8290 said:
Probably more sharper than youblackheathaddick said:paulie8290 said:
Don't pretend you know me and don't for one second question what I understand.blackheathaddick said:
With all due respect Paulie, just because you don't understand (and I get the sense you have no interest in really understanding) that doesn't mean that HI's reasons are incorrect.paulie8290 said:
media questioning- achieves nothingHenry Irving said:The "idiots" as you so nicely dismiss them will also have paid to go to the game.
Not heard what CARD or any other groups or individuals have planned as they don't release that news until 12.00 am on the day so I'll wait till then before condemning them or calling them "idiots"
As for what a disruption or abandonment might achieve
Pressure on KM
Questioning from the media and other fans and more awareness of the issues
A big fine to damage KMs budget
increased police and stewarding costs at this game and all future games
Embarrassment for KM in front of the media and the Boro directors
More press attention in Belgium
Encouragement to Charlton fans that we can act and don't have to "just accept" what Roland does
Any thing else I've missed.
increased police and stewards and a fine (sorry but people worried about ruining the club surely being in debt has more chance of losing the club)
embarrassment- means nothing to them
press attention in Belgium- who cares we are in England
sorry but none of these are reason why RD would change what he is doing or sell the club
Are you happy with how things are? What do you suggest to change things? Sitting behind your keyboard telling people who may or may not be doing something, fighting to change things at our club, and insulting them because you don't have the nous to grasp why they are, doesn't make you right.
yes its tough, we are not the only club to have had tough times because of an owner, but disrupting a game is senseless, it will achieve nothing
I don't pretend I know you. Although I've seen your postings on here over the last couple of years so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to establish you're not the sharpest tool in the box. The fact that you cannot grasp people's responses and state they haven't replied sufficiently just serves to prove that point. I was trying to be tactful, but I guess direct is probably more suitable.20 -
Do you think we will be competitive in League One then? My crystal tells me we may have a few bang average seasons in there at best before even more decline.paulie8290 said:
You got a crystal ball have you, and can see the club rotting in the ground.BR7_addick said:
Let's just not do anything then and rot this club into the ground, that way tickets will be a lot cheaper than £45 in the national league for you and your Mrs.paulie8290 said:Please tell me what disrupting the game on Sunday will do
Just remember Blackpool did it against Huddersfield and what happened, the blackpool fans got heavily criticized for it and everyone felt sorry for the Huddersfield fans.
did it change anything at Blackpool-no, did the owner leave afterwards-no.
so honestly what is it going to achieve, probably going to get loads of abuse for this but I honestly don't understand it.
me and my partner will be there after spending £45, we want to go to watch a game off football not have it abandoned because some idiots think it is at all going to bother the owner if one game gets abandoned
all these comments are ridiculous.
no one knows what the future holds and as I said if we was top half none of this would be happening.
when RD came in he was shit and didn't know what he was doing
last season we was the last team to lose a match and people on here starting saying maybe he does have a master plan, maybe it will work.
oh shit a dodgy season and he is the worst person on the earth again.
as I said forget the owners they come and go, support the team that will always be here, people saying the club is a risk. what a load of rubbish, what does he have to gain if the club is liquated or put into administration.0 - Sponsored links:
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I imagine the irony of this response is probably lost on you as well.paulie8290 said:
Probably more sharper than youblackheathaddick said:paulie8290 said:
Don't pretend you know me and don't for one second question what I understand.blackheathaddick said:
With all due respect Paulie, just because you don't understand (and I get the sense you have no interest in really understanding) that doesn't mean that HI's reasons are incorrect.paulie8290 said:
media questioning- achieves nothingHenry Irving said:The "idiots" as you so nicely dismiss them will also have paid to go to the game.
Not heard what CARD or any other groups or individuals have planned as they don't release that news until 12.00 am on the day so I'll wait till then before condemning them or calling them "idiots"
As for what a disruption or abandonment might achieve
Pressure on KM
Questioning from the media and other fans and more awareness of the issues
A big fine to damage KMs budget
increased police and stewarding costs at this game and all future games
Embarrassment for KM in front of the media and the Boro directors
More press attention in Belgium
Encouragement to Charlton fans that we can act and don't have to "just accept" what Roland does
Any thing else I've missed.
increased police and stewards and a fine (sorry but people worried about ruining the club surely being in debt has more chance of losing the club)
embarrassment- means nothing to them
press attention in Belgium- who cares we are in England
sorry but none of these are reason why RD would change what he is doing or sell the club
Are you happy with how things are? What do you suggest to change things? Sitting behind your keyboard telling people who may or may not be doing something, fighting to change things at our club, and insulting them because you don't have the nous to grasp why they are, doesn't make you right.
yes its tough, we are not the only club to have had tough times because of an owner, but disrupting a game is senseless, it will achieve nothing
I don't pretend I know you. Although I've seen your postings on here over the last couple of years so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to establish you're not the sharpest tool in the box. The fact that you cannot grasp people's responses and state they haven't replied sufficiently just serves to prove that point. I was trying to be tactful, but I guess direct is probably more suitable.
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Oh, come off it...paulie8290 said:
Probably more sharper than youblackheathaddick said:paulie8290 said:
Don't pretend you know me and don't for one second question what I understand.blackheathaddick said:
With all due respect Paulie, just because you don't understand (and I get the sense you have no interest in really understanding) that doesn't mean that HI's reasons are incorrect.paulie8290 said:
media questioning- achieves nothingHenry Irving said:The "idiots" as you so nicely dismiss them will also have paid to go to the game.
Not heard what CARD or any other groups or individuals have planned as they don't release that news until 12.00 am on the day so I'll wait till then before condemning them or calling them "idiots"
As for what a disruption or abandonment might achieve
Pressure on KM
Questioning from the media and other fans and more awareness of the issues
A big fine to damage KMs budget
increased police and stewarding costs at this game and all future games
Embarrassment for KM in front of the media and the Boro directors
More press attention in Belgium
Encouragement to Charlton fans that we can act and don't have to "just accept" what Roland does
Any thing else I've missed.
increased police and stewards and a fine (sorry but people worried about ruining the club surely being in debt has more chance of losing the club)
embarrassment- means nothing to them
press attention in Belgium- who cares we are in England
sorry but none of these are reason why RD would change what he is doing or sell the club
Are you happy with how things are? What do you suggest to change things? Sitting behind your keyboard telling people who may or may not be doing something, fighting to change things at our club, and insulting them because you don't have the nous to grasp why they are, doesn't make you right.
yes its tough, we are not the only club to have had tough times because of an owner, but disrupting a game is senseless, it will achieve nothing
I don't pretend I know you. Although I've seen your postings on here over the last couple of years so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to establish you're not the sharpest tool in the box. The fact that you cannot grasp people's responses and state they haven't replied sufficiently just serves to prove that point. I was trying to be tactful, but I guess direct is probably more suitable.
You've made it too obvious that you're on a wind up there.
Lovely stuff. You do give me a giggle Pauline...4 -
Please tell me this is your attempt at humour, and not how you actually think that sentence should be constructed?paulie8290 said:
Probably more sharper than youblackheathaddick said:paulie8290 said:
Don't pretend you know me and don't for one second question what I understand.blackheathaddick said:
With all due respect Paulie, just because you don't understand (and I get the sense you have no interest in really understanding) that doesn't mean that HI's reasons are incorrect.paulie8290 said:
media questioning- achieves nothingHenry Irving said:The "idiots" as you so nicely dismiss them will also have paid to go to the game.
Not heard what CARD or any other groups or individuals have planned as they don't release that news until 12.00 am on the day so I'll wait till then before condemning them or calling them "idiots"
As for what a disruption or abandonment might achieve
Pressure on KM
Questioning from the media and other fans and more awareness of the issues
A big fine to damage KMs budget
increased police and stewarding costs at this game and all future games
Embarrassment for KM in front of the media and the Boro directors
More press attention in Belgium
Encouragement to Charlton fans that we can act and don't have to "just accept" what Roland does
Any thing else I've missed.
increased police and stewards and a fine (sorry but people worried about ruining the club surely being in debt has more chance of losing the club)
embarrassment- means nothing to them
press attention in Belgium- who cares we are in England
sorry but none of these are reason why RD would change what he is doing or sell the club
Are you happy with how things are? What do you suggest to change things? Sitting behind your keyboard telling people who may or may not be doing something, fighting to change things at our club, and insulting them because you don't have the nous to grasp why they are, doesn't make you right.
yes its tough, we are not the only club to have had tough times because of an owner, but disrupting a game is senseless, it will achieve nothing
I don't pretend I know you. Although I've seen your postings on here over the last couple of years so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to establish you're not the sharpest tool in the box. The fact that you cannot grasp people's responses and state they haven't replied sufficiently just serves to prove that point. I was trying to be tactful, but I guess direct is probably more suitable.3 -
You're spending £45 to see CAFC - you do know that you can get a full head of highlights for less than that?
You might want to reconsider going.......19 -
Paulie, you said a couple of weeks ago that it was good to be back at The Valley because due to work commitments you were unable to attend so far this season.
If you had been able to come you would have seen the shambles our club has become and how badly managed it is from top to bottom.
Please may I ask a couple of things of you. Have a think and get your facts straight before calling people who care and are willing to fight to save our club idiots. If you don't want to partake in any actions, then that's fine, no argument from the majority on here, that's your call, it's a free country and you are entitled to your opinion, but don't slag off those that do.
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More sharper?paulie8290 said:
Probably more sharper than youblackheathaddick said:paulie8290 said:
Don't pretend you know me and don't for one second question what I understand.blackheathaddick said:
With all due respect Paulie, just because you don't understand (and I get the sense you have no interest in really understanding) that doesn't mean that HI's reasons are incorrect.paulie8290 said:
media questioning- achieves nothingHenry Irving said:The "idiots" as you so nicely dismiss them will also have paid to go to the game.
Not heard what CARD or any other groups or individuals have planned as they don't release that news until 12.00 am on the day so I'll wait till then before condemning them or calling them "idiots"
As for what a disruption or abandonment might achieve
Pressure on KM
Questioning from the media and other fans and more awareness of the issues
A big fine to damage KMs budget
increased police and stewarding costs at this game and all future games
Embarrassment for KM in front of the media and the Boro directors
More press attention in Belgium
Encouragement to Charlton fans that we can act and don't have to "just accept" what Roland does
Any thing else I've missed.
increased police and stewards and a fine (sorry but people worried about ruining the club surely being in debt has more chance of losing the club)
embarrassment- means nothing to them
press attention in Belgium- who cares we are in England
sorry but none of these are reason why RD would change what he is doing or sell the club
Are you happy with how things are? What do you suggest to change things? Sitting behind your keyboard telling people who may or may not be doing something, fighting to change things at our club, and insulting them because you don't have the nous to grasp why they are, doesn't make you right.
yes its tough, we are not the only club to have had tough times because of an owner, but disrupting a game is senseless, it will achieve nothing
I don't pretend I know you. Although I've seen your postings on here over the last couple of years so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to establish you're not the sharpest tool in the box. The fact that you cannot grasp people's responses and state they haven't replied sufficiently just serves to prove that point. I was trying to be tactful, but I guess direct is probably more suitable.4 -
Read the fucking threads from around the sheff u debacle from those that hated Roland from day 1 and didn't have to wait two years to smell the coffee like the naive "level headed" fans. It was all so obvious it was unbelievable and so so easy to see.daveydanger said:paulie8290 said:
Long term haha if we was mid table chasing top half none of this would be happening, fans are fickle and need to support the team, do you honestly think disrupting a game is going to help the team in anywayStu_of_Kunming said:Helps to make the club unmanagable.
If othing is done, there won't be a CAFC for you and the new piece to watch.
You've got to think longterm.
This argument keeps cropping up. The way I see it, there are roughly three groups of supporters:
1. A small number that hated RD from the outset because he was a bit too different, too Belgian, too 'modern football' - or whatever. These conservative types were desperate to be the droopy-faced victims of a despotic foreign tyrant. I assume this is who your comment is aimed at.
2. A small number of fans that still think everything is ok (like you), in spite of the fact that we are so visibily fucked.
3. The majority of level-headed fans that started off with an open mind, but have watched the club implode under a clueless, hopeless regime - and are now protesting as a result. The league position and this viewpoint go hand in hand, as it is the clearest indication of failure you could get.
NB. I love it when those from group 1 dish out the smug "I knew all along" type comments. Yeah, course you did, lol.8 -
Forgive me, as I believe that I too, am likely to find that you are "more sharper" than I am.paulie8290 said:
You got a crystal ball have you, and can see the club rotting in the ground.BR7_addick said:
Let's just not do anything then and rot this club into the ground, that way tickets will be a lot cheaper than £45 in the national league for you and your Mrs.paulie8290 said:Please tell me what disrupting the game on Sunday will do
Just remember Blackpool did it against Huddersfield and what happened, the blackpool fans got heavily criticized for it and everyone felt sorry for the Huddersfield fans.
did it change anything at Blackpool-no, did the owner leave afterwards-no.
so honestly what is it going to achieve, probably going to get loads of abuse for this but I honestly don't understand it.
me and my partner will be there after spending £45, we want to go to watch a game off football not have it abandoned because some idiots think it is at all going to bother the owner if one game gets abandoned
all these comments are ridiculous.
no one knows what the future holds and as I said if we was top half none of this would be happening.
when RD came in he was shit and didn't know what he was doing
last season we was the last team to lose a match and people on here starting saying maybe he does have a master plan, maybe it will work.
oh shit a dodgy season and he is the worst person on the earth again.
as I said forget the owners they come and go, support the team that will always be here, people saying the club is a risk. what a load of rubbish, what does he have to gain if the club is liquated or put into administration.
However, I wonder if you might be able to point out a little contradiction that is bothering me in your post, above. I have highlighted what I fear may be a slight contradiction.
Do you think you could possibly manage to explain to me, who cannot hope to understand the philosophical underpinnings of your argument, precisely how you can make both assertions in virtually the same breath.
I eagerly await enlightenment...
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Oh dearpaulie8290 said:
Probably more sharper than youblackheathaddick said:paulie8290 said:
Don't pretend you know me and don't for one second question what I understand.blackheathaddick said:
With all due respect Paulie, just because you don't understand (and I get the sense you have no interest in really understanding) that doesn't mean that HI's reasons are incorrect.paulie8290 said:
media questioning- achieves nothingHenry Irving said:The "idiots" as you so nicely dismiss them will also have paid to go to the game.
Not heard what CARD or any other groups or individuals have planned as they don't release that news until 12.00 am on the day so I'll wait till then before condemning them or calling them "idiots"
As for what a disruption or abandonment might achieve
Pressure on KM
Questioning from the media and other fans and more awareness of the issues
A big fine to damage KMs budget
increased police and stewarding costs at this game and all future games
Embarrassment for KM in front of the media and the Boro directors
More press attention in Belgium
Encouragement to Charlton fans that we can act and don't have to "just accept" what Roland does
Any thing else I've missed.
increased police and stewards and a fine (sorry but people worried about ruining the club surely being in debt has more chance of losing the club)
embarrassment- means nothing to them
press attention in Belgium- who cares we are in England
sorry but none of these are reason why RD would change what he is doing or sell the club
Are you happy with how things are? What do you suggest to change things? Sitting behind your keyboard telling people who may or may not be doing something, fighting to change things at our club, and insulting them because you don't have the nous to grasp why they are, doesn't make you right.
yes its tough, we are not the only club to have had tough times because of an owner, but disrupting a game is senseless, it will achieve nothing
I don't pretend I know you. Although I've seen your postings on here over the last couple of years so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to establish you're not the sharpest tool in the box. The fact that you cannot grasp people's responses and state they haven't replied sufficiently just serves to prove that point. I was trying to be tactful, but I guess direct is probably more suitable.
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