If the Smirk had one ounce of decency she would go to Wales in person (I understand the family still live there) and make a personal apology to them.
Except she hasn't and she won't.
So amusing her trying to start something with Airman yesterday, and he just wasn't biting.
Listen up Pinocchio, if you really think you will win, you won't. Surely that sad old man Murray who hangs around the Valley on matchdays would have told you that by now.
Could not some of the CARD fund money be used for a condolences card and a wreath (if the funeral has not taken place) apologising from real Charlton fans.
Could not some of the CARD fund money be used for a condolences card and a wreath (if the funeral has not taken place) apologising from real Charlton fans.
A wreath from fans would be a good gesture but we shouldn't politicise a funeral by using the message on the wreath to criticise the club imho.
I'm fairly sure Keith Peacock and Theo Foley will attend and they can carry an apology from the club although the CEO should still contact them on behalf of her staff.
Could not some of the CARD fund money be used for a condolences card and a wreath (if the funeral has not taken place) apologising from real Charlton fans.
A wreath from fans would be a good gesture but we shouldn't politicise a funeral by using the message on the wreath to criticise the club imho.
I'm fairly sure Keith Peacock and Theo Foley will attend and they can carry an apology from the club although the CEO should still contact them on behalf of her staff.
If we send a wreath this time, we should commit to doing the same for all such funerals of ex-players. Otherwise, we are effectively politicising this one by just doing it the once.
All ex players are respected. But this is different circumstances, the club effectively insulted Graham Moore by displaying a picture of a different player.
Just when you think they can't get it more wrong than they already have with just about everything to do with the running of our club, we have Saturdays fiasco by our bright new Belgian owners. An absolute disgrace, and an insult to the family of one of the heroes of the first Charlton team I ever saw. Hang your heads in shame. I for one will never forgive them.
If the Smirk had one ounce of decency she would go to Wales in person (I understand the family still live there) and make a personal apology to them.
Except she hasn't and she won't.
So amusing her trying to start something with Airman yesterday, and he just wasn't biting.
Listen up Pinocchio, if you really think you will win, you won't. Surely that sad old man Murray who hangs around the Valley on matchdays would have told you that by now.
Go, in the name of God, please just go.
What exactly did she say to Airman? Weird how she actually tries to start a war of words
Martin Samuel in the Mail wrote a piece today about this and ended it with "The sooner these clowns ship out, the better". Our message is really getting across.
If the Smirk had one ounce of decency she would go to Wales in person (I understand the family still live there) and make a personal apology to them.
Except she hasn't and she won't.
So amusing her trying to start something with Airman yesterday, and he just wasn't biting.
Listen up Pinocchio, if you really think you will win, you won't. Surely that sad old man Murray who hangs around the Valley on matchdays would have told you that by now.
Go, in the name of God, please just go.
What exactly did she say to Airman? Weird how she actually tries to start a war of words
I am sure you'll be able to buy the 'interview' write up soon.
If the Smirk had one ounce of decency she would go to Wales in person (I understand the family still live there) and make a personal apology to them.
Except she hasn't and she won't.
So amusing her trying to start something with Airman yesterday, and he just wasn't biting.
Listen up Pinocchio, if you really think you will win, you won't. Surely that sad old man Murray who hangs around the Valley on matchdays would have told you that by now.
Go, in the name of God, please just go.
What exactly did she say to Airman? Weird how she actually tries to start a war of words
From Another thread. Predictably the Troll had already read and replied to this post before he answered you question
Airman Brown said: » show previous quotes She really had nothing to say except a rather strange idea that I might be worried about speaking to her face to face. I'm guessing that the background to this is that I don't routinely cross the road, stand in her way or shout at her when she arrives at work four hours after her staff, which is quite true. I usually ignore her, indeed I don't always notice her.
The reason I don't confront her is that I think it both could and would appear aggressive - and provide the opportunity for her to play the victim, which she's very good at. I'm not playing that game, thanks.
She did exactly the right thing today by embracing the protest (accepting a sticker and a mask) and approaching me was no doubt also part of showing she wasn't affected by it. I'm sure she'd given it a lot of thought, but ask yourself why she was coming over to me when she actually had nothing to say.
I asked her some questions about why she will only speak to handpicked fans and cannot appear in front of them without surrounding herself with other staff, which she didn't answer. I asked her why she has never been willing to engage with the people who ran the club for 15 years and why she is so frightened of speaking to Varney, who she sneered at.
At that point two of the hovering goons intervened and indicated I wasn't allowed to continue, although as it was the street it was nothing to do with them. With hindsight I'd probably have played it differently, but then unlike Katrien I hadn't spent the last hour planning it.
If the Smirk had one ounce of decency she would go to Wales in person (I understand the family still live there) and make a personal apology to them.
Except she hasn't and she won't.
So amusing her trying to start something with Airman yesterday, and he just wasn't biting.
Listen up Pinocchio, if you really think you will win, you won't. Surely that sad old man Murray who hangs around the Valley on matchdays would have told you that by now.
Go, in the name of God, please just go.
What exactly did she say to Airman? Weird how she actually tries to start a war of words
From Another thread. Predictably the Troll had already read and replied to this post before he answered you question
Airman Brown said: » show previous quotes She really had nothing to say except a rather strange idea that I might be worried about speaking to her face to face. I'm guessing that the background to this is that I don't routinely cross the road, stand in her way or shout at her when she arrives at work four hours after her staff, which is quite true. I usually ignore her, indeed I don't always notice her.
The reason I don't confront her is that I think it both could and would appear aggressive - and provide the opportunity for her to play the victim, which she's very good at. I'm not playing that game, thanks.
She did exactly the right thing today by embracing the protest (accepting a sticker and a mask) and approaching me was no doubt also part of showing she wasn't affected by it. I'm sure she'd given it a lot of thought, but ask yourself why she was coming over to me when she actually had nothing to say.
I asked her some questions about why she will only speak to handpicked fans and cannot appear in front of them without surrounding herself with other staff, which she didn't answer. I asked her why she has never been willing to engage with the people who ran the club for 15 years and why she is so frightened of speaking to Varney, who she sneered at.
At that point two of the hovering goons intervened and indicated I wasn't allowed to continue, although as it was the street it was nothing to do with them. With hindsight I'd probably have played it differently, but then unlike Katrien I hadn't spent the last hour planning it.
Thanks HI
Interesting. She is simply the extremes of what being unprofessional is.
If the Smirk had one ounce of decency she would go to Wales in person (I understand the family still live there) and make a personal apology to them.
Except she hasn't and she won't.
So amusing her trying to start something with Airman yesterday, and he just wasn't biting.
Listen up Pinocchio, if you really think you will win, you won't. Surely that sad old man Murray who hangs around the Valley on matchdays would have told you that by now.
Go, in the name of God, please just go.
What exactly did she say to Airman? Weird how she actually tries to start a war of words
I am sure you'll be able to buy the 'interview' write up soon.
Getting back to the original thread - Moore wrong photograph. Whoever was responsible should be sacked immediately. Obviously no affiliation or knowledge of Charlton whatsoever. Graham Moore was a great part of one of our best teams in late 60's/early 70's.
Getting back to the original thread - Moore wrong photograph. Whoever was responsible should be sacked immediately. Obviously no affiliation or knowledge of Charlton whatsoever. Graham Moore was a great part of one of our best teams in late 60's/early 70's.
That's a bit over the top, I honestly had never heard of Graham Moore before and I've been a supporter for about 30 years, I certainly wouldn't have recognised a picture of him.
That's not to say it wasn't a massive balls up, but Olly has come on here and apologised and I'm sure that whomever's responsibility it is at the club (and that's not the students by the way) will be getting a telling off but let's not go mental and start demanding sackings. It's a shame because remembering a former player from many moons ago would actually have been a nice touch from a club that's made a dogs dinner of doing things like that recently.
If the Smirk had one ounce of decency she would go to Wales in person (I understand the family still live there) and make a personal apology to them.
Except she hasn't and she won't.
So amusing her trying to start something with Airman yesterday, and he just wasn't biting.
Listen up Pinocchio, if you really think you will win, you won't. Surely that sad old man Murray who hangs around the Valley on matchdays would have told you that by now.
Go, in the name of God, please just go.
What exactly did she say to Airman? Weird how she actually tries to start a war of words
I am sure you'll be able to buy the 'interview' write up soon.
Getting back to the original thread - Moore wrong photograph. Whoever was responsible should be sacked immediately. Obviously no affiliation or knowledge of Charlton whatsoever. Graham Moore was a great part of one of our best teams in late 60's/early 70's.
You're making an assumption that the individual concerned was actually employed in the first place rather than a student on work experience from the Uni of Greenwich.
Notwithstanding the individual's employment status, IMO, everyone is allowed a mistake. At one stage my old employer allowed three "regrets" before they chucked you out. A "regret" was a letter to a customer which began " I regret to have to inform you that..." Me? Back in 1972, I left a cheque in my desk drawer overnight rather than paying it in. It was for £48mn. Approx. £600mn in today's money. Interest rates were higher then around 8%. The overnight interest charge was ten times my gross annual salary. I kept my job though. Now, the thing is I learned my lesson and was ultra careful to get stuff right thereafter. But Katrien never seems to learn and makes mistake after mistake after mistake. It is she who must go, not a minion who stuffed up.
Getting back to the original thread - Moore wrong photograph. Whoever was responsible should be sacked immediately. Obviously no affiliation or knowledge of Charlton whatsoever. Graham Moore was a great part of one of our best teams in late 60's/early 70's.
You're making an assumption that the individual concerned was actually employed in the first place rather than a student on work experience from the Uni of Greenwich.
Notwithstanding the individual's employment status, IMO, everyone is allowed a mistake. At one stage my old employer allowed three "regrets" before they chucked you out. A "regret" was a letter to a customer which began " I regret to have to inform you that..." Me? Back in 1972, I left a cheque in my desk drawer overnight rather than paying it in. It was for £48mn. Approx. £600mn in today's money. Interest rates were higher then around 8%. The overnight interest charge was ten times my gross annual salary. I kept my job though. Now, the thing is I learned my lesson and was ultra careful to get stuff right thereafter. But Katrien never seems to learn and makes mistake after mistake after mistake. It is she who must go, not a minion who stuffed up.
Spot on. It is pretty much impossible to operate on a 100% zero defects basis, but management should put in place procedures to minimise the possibility for error. It's clear the chap who runs the screen is overworked and under resourced (like every other part of Charlton) and that's how errors are made. That is ultimately all down to Ms Meire and how she mismanages the club on the inadequate budget set by M. Duchatelet.
Getting back to the original thread - Moore wrong photograph. Whoever was responsible should be sacked immediately. Obviously no affiliation or knowledge of Charlton whatsoever. Graham Moore was a great part of one of our best teams in late 60's/early 70's.
You're making an assumption that the individual concerned was actually employed in the first place rather than a student on work experience from the Uni of Greenwich.
Notwithstanding the individual's employment status, IMO, everyone is allowed a mistake. At one stage my old employer allowed three "regrets" before they chucked you out. A "regret" was a letter to a customer which began " I regret to have to inform you that..." Me? Back in 1972, I left a cheque in my desk drawer overnight rather than paying it in. It was for £48mn. Approx. £600mn in today's money. Interest rates were higher then around 8%. The overnight interest charge was ten times my gross annual salary. I kept my job though. Now, the thing is I learned my lesson and was ultra careful to get stuff right thereafter. But Katrien never seems to learn and makes mistake after mistake after mistake. It is she who must go, not a minion who stuffed up.
Don't tell me, KM gave you our £10m transfer budget on the 31st December for the January window, but you left it in your desk and only remembered on the 1st February?
I started supporting Charlton in 1974. I could still recognise Arthur Horsfield, Les Berry or Lawrie Madden, but I honestly would' nt have known Graham Moore. It's a bit steep to sack someone for that. It's a horrible situation, but let's try and keep a bit of perspective.
You're making an assumption that the individual concerned was actually employed in the first place rather than a student on work experience from the Uni of Greenwich.
Definitely not a UoG student. The person who made the mistake is a life long Charlton fan. The mistake happened due to (a) a really busy week with RD making videos and (b) having sourced an article of Graham Moore which had been written by Alan Campbell, cut and pasted the picture of Campbell rather than Moore.
I don't believe anyone should get the sack for this one incident but it is a damning statement on what the club has become, initially starting towards the end under the last owners before being pushed over the edge by the current lot, a club increasingly devoid of experience, professionalism and accountability.
Surely it was not too much to ask that when something as important as a tribute being planned for a former hero of both clubs playing plus his family being in attendance that someone higher up should have made sure everything went smoothly, that is what is unacceptable in my opinion.
Graham Moore may not mean much to my generation or even my Dads generation but that is irrelevant as I know my Grandad would have been ashamed of his club if he was still with us to have seen this happen for one of his Charlton heroes.
I really do hope this has shocked those in charge of the day to day running of this great club just how low things have sunk under their stewardship, show some personal pride and sort it out.
I don't want to hang anyone for this dreadful error but that's not to minimise the significance of it. This was a whopper of a cock up and had it been stand alone in a sea of efficiency then it might just be put down to a mighty bad day and an overworked and unrecognising member of staff. The real problem is that it is yet another gaff on top of the long line of balls ups that the club has made under this shambles of a regime. There are certain things you don't get wrong and this is one of them. I for one have fond memories of Graham Moore and I am an embarrassed supporter right now. I hope his family can find it in them forgive the club. I wouldn't blame them if they didn't. I don't care who selected the photograph. This falls squarely on the shoulders of Meire. She should be putting the right person in charge of these things. She obviously didn't. Just fuck off.
I started supporting Charlton in 1974. I could still recognise Arthur Horsfield, Les Berry or Lawrie Madden, but I honestly would' nt have known Graham Moore. It's a bit steep to sack someone for that. It's a horrible situation, but let's try and keep a bit of perspective.
I'm sure you would have double checked though, maybe even sort the advice of Keith Peacock rather than thinking "I think that's him"
I started supporting Charlton in 1974. I could still recognise Arthur Horsfield, Les Berry or Lawrie Madden, but I honestly would' nt have known Graham Moore. It's a bit steep to sack someone for that. It's a horrible situation, but let's try and keep a bit of perspective.
I'm sure you would have double checked though, maybe even sort the advice of Keith Peacock rather than thinking "I think that's him"
If you don't know something, ask someone who does (and that's a message for KM and RD!). Yes. If I'd been handed that job and did'nt know what a recently deceased footballer for our club looked like, I'd have asked. It was just a response to the statement that anyone who is a Charlton fan should know. Lots of fans maybe would'nt have recognised him.
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Except she hasn't and she won't.
So amusing her trying to start something with Airman yesterday, and he just wasn't biting.
Listen up Pinocchio, if you really think you will win, you won't. Surely that sad old man Murray who hangs around the Valley on matchdays would have told you that by now.
Go, in the name of God, please just go.
I'm fairly sure Keith Peacock and Theo Foley will attend and they can carry an apology from the club although the CEO should still contact them on behalf of her staff.
Airman Brown said:
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She really had nothing to say except a rather strange idea that I might be worried about speaking to her face to face. I'm guessing that the background to this is that I don't routinely cross the road, stand in her way or shout at her when she arrives at work four hours after her staff, which is quite true. I usually ignore her, indeed I don't always notice her.
The reason I don't confront her is that I think it both could and would appear aggressive - and provide the opportunity for her to play the victim, which she's very good at. I'm not playing that game, thanks.
She did exactly the right thing today by embracing the protest (accepting a sticker and a mask) and approaching me was no doubt also part of showing she wasn't affected by it. I'm sure she'd given it a lot of thought, but ask yourself why she was coming over to me when she actually had nothing to say.
I asked her some questions about why she will only speak to handpicked fans and cannot appear in front of them without surrounding herself with other staff, which she didn't answer. I asked her why she has never been willing to engage with the people who ran the club for 15 years and why she is so frightened of speaking to Varney, who she sneered at.
At that point two of the hovering goons intervened and indicated I wasn't allowed to continue, although as it was the street it was nothing to do with them. With hindsight I'd probably have played it differently, but then unlike Katrien I hadn't spent the last hour planning it.
Interesting.
She is simply the extremes of what being unprofessional is.
Rather weird. The bird has lost it.
Whoever was responsible should be sacked immediately.
Obviously no affiliation or knowledge of Charlton whatsoever.
Graham Moore was a great part of one of our best teams in late
60's/early 70's.
That's not to say it wasn't a massive balls up, but Olly has come on here and apologised and I'm sure that whomever's responsibility it is at the club (and that's not the students by the way) will be getting a telling off but let's not go mental and start demanding sackings. It's a shame because remembering a former player from many moons ago would actually have been a nice touch from a club that's made a dogs dinner of doing things like that recently.
Notwithstanding the individual's employment status, IMO, everyone is allowed a mistake. At one stage my old employer allowed three "regrets" before they chucked you out. A "regret" was a letter to a customer which began " I regret to have to inform you that..."
Me? Back in 1972, I left a cheque in my desk drawer overnight rather than paying it in. It was for £48mn. Approx. £600mn in today's money. Interest rates were higher then around 8%. The overnight interest charge was ten times my gross annual salary. I kept my job though.
Now, the thing is I learned my lesson and was ultra careful to get stuff right thereafter. But Katrien never seems to learn and makes mistake after mistake after mistake. It is she who must go, not a minion who stuffed up.
Whoever was responsible should be sacked immediately.''
In my own honest opinion the person getting the sack should
be the CEO. She must take full responsibility!
Surely it was not too much to ask that when something as important as a tribute being planned for a former hero of both clubs playing plus his family being in attendance that someone higher up should have made sure everything went smoothly, that is what is unacceptable in my opinion.
Graham Moore may not mean much to my generation or even my Dads generation but that is irrelevant as I know my Grandad would have been ashamed of his club if he was still with us to have seen this happen for one of his Charlton heroes.
I really do hope this has shocked those in charge of the day to day running of this great club just how low things have sunk under their stewardship, show some personal pride and sort it out.
She and her cohorts know this but have failed to act. Poor management at its finest.
Is it hidden away amongst the muddle there?