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  • Nicholas said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/09/charlton-resignation-katrien-meire-companies-house

    Charlton Athletic have expressed concern after the resignation of their chief executive Katrien Meire was falsely posted on Companies House.

    The club put out a statement saying: “The club is aware of a document that has appeared on Companies House. “This document is false and the club is investigating the matter as it is something we take seriously.”

    Louis Mendez, whose Twitter feed identifies him as a presenter on Charltonlive, said: “This is hilarious. I have been reliably informed that it was in fact a #cafc fan who has resigned Katrien Meire’s directorship on her behalf.

    He added: “For the record, I do not know who did this. But I do know it is a forged signature and Katrien has not resigned as director.”

    The incident is the latest to strike the troubled club who in January appointed their third manager this season, José Riga, who had managed the club previously.

    Also in January, at the home game against Blackburn, thousands of fans protested against the ownership of Roland Duchâtelet, the Belgian businessman and founder of Belgium’s Vivant political party who bought the club in January 2014.

    Meire, a 30-year-old lawyer who was brought on board by Duchâtelet, had attracted fans’ ire by referring to them as “customers”. At present Charlton sit bottom of the Championship, three points short of safety.

    I would have thought that anyone else that can reliably confirm that this was not done by the club would be best served keeping it to themselves.

    I don't want to sound like a killjoy but I suspect that submitting false documents to Companies House is fraud and the fewer of us that admit to having any knowledge of it the better for all those concerned. On something that is in the public domain like this an investigation will need to be considered or it might send out the message that fraud is ok if it makes people laugh.

    It is, indeed, hilarious but I fear that the Police might be quite insistent that the identity of the person that reliably informed a journalist that it was a CAFC fan is disclosed.
  • As somebody said – you would expect that Companies house does verify something like this, so it another case of ignoring communications which has allowed this to happen? Brilliant.
  • LouisMend said:

    I've heard it about 4th or 5th hand but it all added up as not coming out of the club.

    I have no idea who did it and have no interest in finding out.

    And, in any event, lots of things have been happening in your life and you'd have forgotten this inconsequential detail wouldn't you?
  • I guess the club could ask the police to pursue it and make the story even bigger than it is at the moment.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/09/charlton-resignation-katrien-meire-companies-house
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  • edited February 2016
    cafcfan said:

    Nicholas said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/09/charlton-resignation-katrien-meire-companies-house

    Charlton Athletic have expressed concern after the resignation of their chief executive Katrien Meire was falsely posted on Companies House.

    The club put out a statement saying: “The club is aware of a document that has appeared on Companies House. “This document is false and the club is investigating the matter as it is something we take seriously.”

    Louis Mendez, whose Twitter feed identifies him as a presenter on Charltonlive, said: “This is hilarious. I have been reliably informed that it was in fact a #cafc fan who has resigned Katrien Meire’s directorship on her behalf.

    He added: “For the record, I do not know who did this. But I do know it is a forged signature and Katrien has not resigned as director.”

    The incident is the latest to strike the troubled club who in January appointed their third manager this season, José Riga, who had managed the club previously.

    Also in January, at the home game against Blackburn, thousands of fans protested against the ownership of Roland Duchâtelet, the Belgian businessman and founder of Belgium’s Vivant political party who bought the club in January 2014.

    Meire, a 30-year-old lawyer who was brought on board by Duchâtelet, had attracted fans’ ire by referring to them as “customers”. At present Charlton sit bottom of the Championship, three points short of safety.



    I don't want to sound like a killjoy but I suspect that submitting false documents to Companies House is fraud and the fewer of us that admit to having any knowledge of it the better for all those concerned.
    The thing about the Fraud Act 2006 is the different offences have various hurdles to prove before a charge can be laid. Typically something like "with intent to make a gain for himself or another, to cause loss to another or to expose another to risk of loss." Just buggering about with someone's directorships entry is unlikely to have any of these effects, apart from, maybe, the last one but that would be very difficult to prove I'd have thought.
    So, in a nutshell, fraud can be ruled out in my opinion.

    However, the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1986 is a different matter. It merely says "It is an offence for a person to use an instrument which is, and which he knows or believes to be, false, with the intention of inducing somebody to accept it as genuine, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person’s prejudice."
    It's still a fine and/or up to six months in a Mags Court or up to ten years on indictment though.

    Edited to add: that may be why the word "false" was used in the club's statement on the matter, indicating that a lawyer of some sort had a hand in drafting it. (Maybe not one whose first language is English though.)
    I can tell you from my experience on Thanet Council that even when cabinet formally reported situations to the police about the way grants had been handled by a previous administration with the involvement of activists, would-be councillors and other members from the then ruling party as recipients, involving tens of thousands of pounds of public money, the police found it "not to be in the public interest" to investigate further. There is no way they are going to waste time on this.
  • cafcfan said:

    Nicholas said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/09/charlton-resignation-katrien-meire-companies-house

    Charlton Athletic have expressed concern after the resignation of their chief executive Katrien Meire was falsely posted on Companies House.

    The club put out a statement saying: “The club is aware of a document that has appeared on Companies House. “This document is false and the club is investigating the matter as it is something we take seriously.”

    Louis Mendez, whose Twitter feed identifies him as a presenter on Charltonlive, said: “This is hilarious. I have been reliably informed that it was in fact a #cafc fan who has resigned Katrien Meire’s directorship on her behalf.

    He added: “For the record, I do not know who did this. But I do know it is a forged signature and Katrien has not resigned as director.”

    The incident is the latest to strike the troubled club who in January appointed their third manager this season, José Riga, who had managed the club previously.

    Also in January, at the home game against Blackburn, thousands of fans protested against the ownership of Roland Duchâtelet, the Belgian businessman and founder of Belgium’s Vivant political party who bought the club in January 2014.

    Meire, a 30-year-old lawyer who was brought on board by Duchâtelet, had attracted fans’ ire by referring to them as “customers”. At present Charlton sit bottom of the Championship, three points short of safety.



    I don't want to sound like a killjoy but I suspect that submitting false documents to Companies House is fraud and the fewer of us that admit to having any knowledge of it the better for all those concerned.
    The thing about the Fraud Act 2006 is the different offences have various hurdles to prove before a charge can be laid. Typically something like "with intent to make a gain for himself or another, to cause loss to another or to expose another to risk of loss." Just buggering about with someone's directorships entry is unlikely to have any of these effects, apart from, maybe, the last one but that would be very difficult to prove I'd have thought.
    So, in a nutshell, fraud can be ruled out in my opinion.

    However, the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1986 is a different matter. It merely says "It is an offence for a person to use an instrument which is, and which he knows or believes to be, false, with the intention of inducing somebody to accept it as genuine, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person’s prejudice."
    It's still a fine and/or up to six months in a Mags Court or up to ten years on indictment though.

    Edited to add: that may be why the word "false" was used in the club's statement on the matter, indicating that a lawyer of some sort had a hand in drafting it. (Maybe not one whose first language is English though.)
    I can tell you from my experience on Thanet Council that even when cabinet formally reported situations to the police about the way grants had been handled by a previous administration with the involvement of activists, would-be councillors and other members from the then ruling party as recipients, involving tens of thousands of pounds of public money, the police found it "not to be in the public interest" to investigate further. There is no way they are going to waste time on this.
    I, too, would find it extraordinary if the police felt there was any merit at all in pursuing this. (They'll be too busy investigating the TSG's fraudulent overtime claims won't they?)
  • vff said:

    Careful Katrien Meire at work !

    With a Lifer referring to Katrien's facial adornment earlier, this made me think of the Southlanders' record...

    " I am (have) a mole and I live in a hole "
  • "Companies House deals with around 50 to 100 cases of corporate identity theft every month".

    Good luck with that investigation Katrien.
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  • However, we note that the company has not signed up to our PROOF scheme, which adds a security layer to such filings that would prevent false or fraudulent submissions being made.

    Essentially, this free service lets you protect your company from unauthorised changes to records


    Surprised everyone doesnt sign up to the Service if its free then... Because the club didnt take up this option then for me, its their own fault, the options are there to stop people from doing this sort of thing so if you dont take it up you cant really complain

    Basic stuff for Company secretaries - who is the Company Secretary?
  • edited February 2016
    sm said:

    However, we note that the company has not signed up to our PROOF scheme, which adds a security layer to such filings that would prevent false or fraudulent submissions being made.

    Essentially, this free service lets you protect your company from unauthorised changes to records


    Surprised everyone doesnt sign up to the Service if its free then... Because the club didnt take up this option then for me, its their own fault, the options are there to stop people from doing this sort of thing so if you dont take it up you cant really complain

    Basic stuff for Company secretaries - who is the Company Secretary?
    Edit; Actually there doesn't appear to be one recorded but I think that is acceptable under current company law for private limited companies.
  • LouisMend said:



    I have no idea who did it and have no interest in finding out.

    Sure the SLP will.
  • edited February 2016
    A few ideas:

    How about writing to all the sponsors as Rolands Puppets saying their contracts have been terminated ?

    Write to the mosque by the tunnel and say on a Friday CAFC will now be charging £5 a car re people coming to Friday prayers ,signed by the puppet

    Write to every org and company that uses the Valley to say there is a strong possibility that their cars will be targeted if parked at the Valley our puppets signature

    To Greenwich council EHO to say there are issues with food hygiene on match days she signed this as well

    Let to be known that one night or day the gates will be chained shut at either the Valley or the training ground and the shop doors super glued shut

    Let it be known that at 3:30 against Cardiff the pitch will be invaded from three sides




    we saw last game plod by every exit like we were playing the Bermondsey Pikeys .They have no idea what threat is real and whats not-----we dont have break any law but they have to respond to the THREAT.
  • A few ideas:

    How about writing to all the sponsors as Rolands Puppets saying their contracts have been terminated ?

    Write to the mosque by the tunnel and say on a Friday CAFC will now be charging £5 a car re people coming to Friday prayers ,signed by the puppet

    Write to every org and company that uses the Valley to say there is a strong possibility that their cars will be targeted if parked at the Valley our puppets signature

    To Greenwich council EHO to say there are issues with food hygiene on match days she signed this as well

    Let to be known that one night or day the gates will be chained shut at either the Valley or the training ground and the shop doors super glued shut

    Let it be known that at 3:30 against Cardiff the pitch will be invaded from three sides




    we saw last game plod by every exit like we were playing the Bermondsey Pikeys .They have no idea what threat is real and whats not-----we dont have break any law but they have to respond to the THREAT.

    Not being any kind of lawyer, but I'm sure that there must be something like intent/conspiracy to cause a breach of the peace that a certain police force may find in their rulebook....

  • This gets better and better.

    Poor Katrien didn't do her research before biting and she's going to made to look like a fool. It's as freely editable as a wiki page, the only thing is a forged signature, but it's no fraud - it's a prank. New Head of Comms should know better, but it's quite obvious they're only there as a post and a scapegoat for Katrien, but it's more wages for Roland to pay out for.. Slowly, slowly we'll get there.
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