AA, i am fully in awe of your dedication to the whole thing - but, for Gods sake, go to the Opticians - and also maybe visit the Psychiatrist too. For one, how can you even closely glorify Foley and Crofts when we have just lost Cousins and JBG and Pope. For christs sake man, open your eyes and smell the coffee- you are very welcome to your opinions, but, my god, they are shit.
I'm in total agreement, most of my friends think that my opinions are shit!
People don't protest by not going to Austria. in fact the obverse. If they felt that strongly about it, they would spend money to make the point. It's because our fan base is falling because of other off field reasons, whatever they may be, and again, I will state that I'm not criticising anyone for not going to a football game, there's lots of other stuff going on in people's lives.
The off the field reasons are indeed why support is dropping: Duchatalet. To believe people are chucking it in because of life style changes is at best mad.
AA, i am fully in awe of your dedication to the whole thing - but, for Gods sake, go to the Opticians - and also maybe visit the Psychiatrist too. For one, how can you even closely glorify Foley and Crofts when we have just lost Cousins and JBG and Pope. For christs sake man, open your eyes and smell the coffee- you are very welcome to your opinions, but, my god, they are shit.
Cousins, JBG, were always going to go, I was disappointed with Pope, but are you surprised, with the abuse he received on CL in the earlier part of his career?
I am truly gobsmacked, altrincham. The vast majority of the points you make are your opinions of other Charlton fans in general, and genuinely bemused, angry and upset CL posters in particular. There is nothing said at all about RD, KM, TK, RM, either in defence of their stewardship of the club or in acknowledgement of their failings. I respect your loyalty to the club and the team but your lack of critical objectivity about the damage wrought by Duchatelet and his regime is staggering. Each to their own, and all that, but please take off the blinkers and at least see them for the poison they are, even if you are prepared to overlook their shortcomings in the interests of supporting the team.
By the way, your comments about many non-ST renewers just using the regime as an excuse are, in my view, outrageously wide of the mark.
People don't protest by not going to Austria. in fact the obverse. If they felt that strongly about it, they would spend money to make the point. It's because our fan base is falling because of other off field reasons, whatever they may be, and again, I will state that I'm not criticising anyone for not going to a football game, there's lots of other stuff going on in people's lives.
The off the field reasons are indeed why support is dropping: Duchatalet. To believe people are chucking it in because of life style changes is at best mad.
Why? It costs a lot of money, if you are not in the Prem or even the Championship, there is not much cudos with your family or friends. It's understandable.
My personal philosophy is, I live in SE7, there's football every other Saturday in a lovely stadium, involving the team I've supported since I was a kid, and it costs £175 for a whole season. I'll be renewing, but I understand if others don't want to. After all, we're being run ineptly.
AA, i am fully in awe of your dedication to the whole thing - but, for Gods sake, go to the Opticians - and also maybe visit the Psychiatrist too. For one, how can you even closely glorify Foley and Crofts when we have just lost Cousins and JBG and Pope. For christs sake man, open your eyes and smell the coffee- you are very welcome to your opinions, but, my god, they are shit.
I'm in total agreement, most of my friends think that my opinions are shit!
My personal philosophy is, I live in SE7, there's football every other Saturday in a lovely stadium, involving the team I've supported since I was a kid, and it costs £150 for a whole season. I'll be renewing, but I understand if others don't want to. After all, we're being run ineptly.
This isn't the club I supported as a kid. The game moves on of course and it's never gonna be like it was but there's a happy medium and these shitebags have taken the club in a direction that is just not what Charlton is about to me and I don't want to fund it. I don't understand how those unhappy with the ownership can contribute even a penny to them...even though he's minted logically every penny and pound more income from the fans is less incentive to sell even if not the main driver for this lunatic freak weirdo who is leveraging the club into dangerous levels of debt. But each to their own and it will be really bad if fans start becoming divided as that's when the regime will win.
Will be a few months if that until Sladegate occurs and the protests ramp up again and hopefully the penny will drop for those unconvinced that this mob are taken us nowhere but down the football leagues and into ever increasing debt by the week. We are really in dangerous territory under this mob through their utter incompetence, lack of shame and complete apathy and disinterest about the football side of this football club.
Altrincham, you appear to be desperately clutching at straws to support your views which in all honesty you will have trouble substantiating. It is quite revealing that you are unwilling to state your views on the regime at this time. I suspect you will find more reasons not to do so at the end of August.
AA I'm not going to get involved in a 'my dick is bigger than yours' discussion about the support I have given this club since the late 50s. However if you cannot grasp the overwhelming reason why STs are down 50% and still need to wait until the transfer window shuts to pass judgement on this evil regime which has ripped the heart out of the club with no time for us oldies then I'm totally dumbfounded
I am truly gobsmacked, altrincham. The vast majority of the points you make are your opinions of other Charlton fans in general, and genuinely bemused, angry and upset CL posters in particular. There is nothing said at all about RD, KM, TK, RM, either in defence of their stewardship of the club or in acknowledgement of their failings. I respect your loyalty to the club and the team but your lack of critical objectivity about the damage wrought by Duchatelet and his regime is staggering. Each to their own, and all that, but please take off the blinkers and at least see them for the poison they are, even if you are prepared to overlook their shortcomings in the interests of supporting the team.
By the way, your comments about many non-ST renewers just using the regime as an excuse are, in my view, outrageously wide of the mark.
You make a very coherent arguement, which I generally support. The club has not been run well for several years now, long before RD and KM. I thought the ownership of Jimenez and Slater was as bad if not worse, but for some reason they never seemed to suffer the same abuse. But I'm a blinkered supporter, that's what we do, and I'll continue to support the team to a point when I think, that's not right, but I haven't reached that point yet.
I had no intention of going on Saturday but we went anyway.
I guess habits die hard.
Can't say we enjoyed the football. At times thought about shouting at meire and keohane who were close by, decided not to in the end.
Thought Foley was poor, crofts looked odd but better (has a strange vertical body position), Holmes looked very good, overall though we looked rubbish and Meire in particular and duchatelet are largely responsible.
If they had given Slade a net £5m budget and a wage reduction target we would be laughing. Giving him a net -£2m budget and wage reduction target is just really dumb, and this is the problem.
I am truly gobsmacked, altrincham. The vast majority of the points you make are your opinions of other Charlton fans in general, and genuinely bemused, angry and upset CL posters in particular. There is nothing said at all about RD, KM, TK, RM, either in defence of their stewardship of the club or in acknowledgement of their failings. I respect your loyalty to the club and the team but your lack of critical objectivity about the damage wrought by Duchatelet and his regime is staggering. Each to their own, and all that, but please take off the blinkers and at least see them for the poison they are, even if you are prepared to overlook their shortcomings in the interests of supporting the team.
By the way, your comments about many non-ST renewers just using the regime as an excuse are, in my view, outrageously wide of the mark.
You make a very coherent arguement, which I generally support. The club has not been run well for several years now, long before RD and KM. I thought the ownership of Jimenez and Slater was as bad if not worse, but for some reason they never seemed to suffer the same abuse. But I'm a blinkered supporter, that's what we do, and I'll continue to support the team to a point when I think, that's not right, but I haven't reached that point yet.
They had a clue about football and backed the manager until the dosh ran out and seemed to place importance on the football side of things which the vast majority of fans bar the odd fruitcake seem to care about at their football clubs. Also they didn't completely alienate the fanbase and "got" Charlton a damn sight more than this lot who have made it plainly clear from early on that they couldn't care less. Roland's way or nothing remember and weird that we think any different.
TJ and Jiminez whilst not Charlton people were not in the same league to the average joe Charlton supporter as these lemons and had they not run out of money we'd probably be in the top flight or at least challenging for it each season with a bit of pride and a club that bore some resemblance to the one most of us grew up watching.
Altrincham, you appear to be desperately clutching at straws to support your views which in all honesty you will have trouble substantiating. It is quite revealing that you are unwilling to state your views on the regime at this time. I suspect you will find more reasons not to do so at the end of August.
My views are that they are no worse or better than Jimenez and Slater, but they seem to get a lot more abuse. The appointment of Karel Frey was a monumental mistake which was compounded by keeping him in the job for far too long. But I'm in this for the long term, and am happy with the appointment of Slade. Lets hope he gets the support.
People don't protest by not going to Austria. in fact the obverse. If they felt that strongly about it, they would spend money to make the point. It's because our fan base is falling because of other off field reasons, whatever they may be, and again, I will state that I'm not criticising anyone for not going to a football game, there's lots of other stuff going on in people's lives.
The off the field reasons are indeed why support is dropping: Duchatalet. To believe people are chucking it in because of life style changes is at best mad.
Why? It costs a lot of money, if you are not in the Prem or even the Championship, there is not much cudos with your family or friends. It's understandable.
The massive hole in your theory is that last time we were relegated to League One we still had in the region of 15k season ticket holders. This time around we have just over a third of that number.
Crowds have been consistently dwindling since RD and Meire took over, included are ST holders whom had already paid for the season upfront.
It's more than just the football and changes in personal circumstance. The regime is toxic, they are turning people away. They have removed hope and expectation from large sections of the fanbase who now believe that no good can come whilst these people are in charge.
I find it offensive that you try to pigeonhole those of us that are actively boycotting the regime in this way. It's time to wake up, if our current trend continues, the quality of football you are watching will be in eternal decline as we drop down the divisions.
Your three wise monkey impression is not helping, and I'd go as far to say that, in fact, it facilitates the downfall of the club.
OK, People are asking me to respond to my original post, so here goes! I have renewed my season ticket and I am continuing to support Valley Gold. Last season, living in South Manchester, I missed 5 games all season, home and away. I went to Austria to support the team, I was the only Charlton supporter, in Pinkafeld, to support the team against the Russians. In Birkfeild I was the only UK based supporter against the Israelis, although their were some enthusiastic Italian and Austrian Charlton fans, including Vienna addick and his son. I would recommend these European pre-season tours to any fan. I had a fantastic time in Vienna, visiting 3 art galleries, taking a selfie with Klimt's kiss in the Belvedere museum, and generally enjoying myself, especially hiring a car for the second game, and visiting Hundertwasser's spa village at Blumeau, a cross between Park Guell in Barcellona and Hobbiton, fantastic. The reason I'm going on about the tour is that I was amazed that I was the only one. Coventry played Sturm Graz in the same stadium in Pinkafeld, and they bought around 30 supporters. Has the poison got so deep, the anti- Duchatelier brigade so vociferous, that people couldn't be bothered to go and support the team?
My view is that many ( not all, I'm sure that there are fans who are so disillusioned with the Belgium ownership who passionately believe that not renewing their season tickets will force them out) supporters are using the Belgium takeover as an excuse for not renewing their season tickets. A drop in division, less attractive football are all good reasons. Family commitments, better things to do, are also fine. A concern about the people on Life who are very vociferous on removing the Belgiums hardly ever go and watch Charlton. I'm sure they have Charlton to their heart, and this is to be commended, but it's not the same as seeing game after game.
I have watched the development of Crofts and Foley through pre-season. I must admit that in the first two games Crofts was poor, giving the ball away, and generally looked off the pace and making poor decisions. Foley, on the other hand had decent games against the Russians in midfield, and against the Israelis at right back, and to me he looked more likely to get a contract. Having seen both players against Ipswich and the Dutch team at The Valley, Crofts has made excellent progress, and Foley did well. So what do I see on Charlton Life, several lifers referring to both players being called Twedledum and Twedeldee, people wanting to insult Charlton players. I found the whole series of comments pathetic. If Russell Slade feels they are good enough for Charlton I will give them my full support.
Arriving home in Altincham last night, I logged on and looked at the match thread, and read a comment that Russell Slade had chosen a team in protest at the transfer policy by the club. Within 10 comments it was a fact. A problem I have with CL is that a weird rumour becomes fact for many people, and they believe it. This then builds and builds until it becomes almost histerical. So what are the facts?
I've rambled on long enough, and I guess most people want to know if I am a Roland and Katrien appeaser, so they can give me dog's abuse, That will have to wait until the close of the transfer window.
AA, fair play for posting this response, because you knew you were in for pelters!
I have highlighted a paragraph that I totally agree with and also find impossible to comprehend. I fully understand people's dislike of RD and KM, but they are becoming so blinkered in their hatred that they actually come to believe some of the shit they are posting. Russell Slade actually stated that they were experimenting with a different formation in the first half and yet you have idiots on here actually believing that it was a protest against the transfer policy, it's so incredible, it's laughable!
I'm also glad that Tracey has been on CL today to say how well the after match player signing went, which shot a few down on here trying to make out it was poor!
To give the team the support the way you do is commendable and I share your thoughts that fans should still be supporting the team whatever they think of the regime!
I see your summing up of Crofts and Foley has also been questioned, I have been to the last three PSF's and in the last two have been impressed with Crofts and Foley will be a useful squad member. They are both seasoned professionals who will do well in L1.
Let's hope for some new signings this week and three points on Saturday!
People don't protest by not going to Austria. in fact the obverse. If they felt that strongly about it, they would spend money to make the point. It's because our fan base is falling because of other off field reasons, whatever they may be, and again, I will state that I'm not criticising anyone for not going to a football game, there's lots of other stuff going on in people's lives.
The off the field reasons are indeed why support is dropping: Duchatalet. To believe people are chucking it in because of life style changes is at best mad.
Why? It costs a lot of money, if you are not in the Prem or even the Championship, there is not much cudos with your family or friends. It's understandable.
The massive hole in your theory is that last time we were relegated to League One we still had in the region of 15k season ticket holders. This time around we have just over a third of that number.
Crowds have been consistently dwindling since RD and Meire took over, included are ST holders whom had already paid for the season upfront.
It's more than just the football and changes in personal circumstance. The regime is toxic, they are turning people away. They have removed hope and expectation from large sections of the fanbase who now believe that no good can come whilst these people are in charge.
I find it offensive that you try to pigeonhole those of us that are actively boycotting the regime in this way. It's time to wake up, if our current trend continues, the quality of football you are watching will be in eternal decline as we drop down the divisions.
Your three wise monkey impression is not helping, and I'd go as far to say that, in fact, it facilitates the downfall of the club.
Not had a chance to comment yet ...now I don't need to as this says it for me.
OK, People are asking me to respond to my original post, so here goes! I have renewed my season ticket and I am continuing to support Valley Gold. Last season, living in South Manchester, I missed 5 games all season, home and away. I went to Austria to support the team, I was the only Charlton supporter, in Pinkafeld, to support the team against the Russians. In Birkfeild I was the only UK based supporter against the Israelis, although their were some enthusiastic Italian and Austrian Charlton fans, including Vienna addick and his son. I would recommend these European pre-season tours to any fan. I had a fantastic time in Vienna, visiting 3 art galleries, taking a selfie with Klimt's kiss in the Belvedere museum, and generally enjoying myself, especially hiring a car for the second game, and visiting Hundertwasser's spa village at Blumeau, a cross between Park Guell in Barcellona and Hobbiton, fantastic. The reason I'm going on about the tour is that I was amazed that I was the only one. Coventry played Sturm Graz in the same stadium in Pinkafeld, and they bought around 30 supporters. Has the poison got so deep, the anti- Duchatelier brigade so vociferous, that people couldn't be bothered to go and support the team?
My view is that many ( not all, I'm sure that there are fans who are so disillusioned with the Belgium ownership who passionately believe that not renewing their season tickets will force them out) supporters are using the Belgium takeover as an excuse for not renewing their season tickets. A drop in division, less attractive football are all good reasons. Family commitments, better things to do, are also fine. A concern about the people on Life who are very vociferous on removing the Belgiums hardly ever go and watch Charlton. I'm sure they have Charlton to their heart, and this is to be commended, but it's not the same as seeing game after game.
I have watched the development of Crofts and Foley through pre-season. I must admit that in the first two games Crofts was poor, giving the ball away, and generally looked off the pace and making poor decisions. Foley, on the other hand had decent games against the Russians in midfield, and against the Israelis at right back, and to me he looked more likely to get a contract. Having seen both players against Ipswich and the Dutch team at The Valley, Crofts has made excellent progress, and Foley did well. So what do I see on Charlton Life, several lifers referring to both players being called Twedledum and Twedeldee, people wanting to insult Charlton players. I found the whole series of comments pathetic. If Russell Slade feels they are good enough for Charlton I will give them my full support.
Arriving home in Altincham last night, I logged on and looked at the match thread, and read a comment that Russell Slade had chosen a team in protest at the transfer policy by the club. Within 10 comments it was a fact. A problem I have with CL is that a weird rumour becomes fact for many people, and they believe it. This then builds and builds until it becomes almost histerical. So what are the facts?
I've rambled on long enough, and I guess most people want to know if I am a Roland and Katrien appeaser, so they can give me dog's abuse, That will have to wait until the close of the transfer window.
AA, fair play for posting this response, because you knew you were in for pelters!
I have highlighted a paragraph that I totally agree with and also find impossible to comprehend. I fully understand people's dislike of RD and KM, but they are becoming so blinkered in their hatred that they actually come to believe some of the shit they are posting. Russell Slade actually stated that they were experimenting with a different formation in the first half and yet you have idiots on here actually believing that it was a protest against the transfer policy, it's so incredible, it's laughable!
I'm also glad that Tracey has been on CL today to say how well the after match player signing went, which shot a few down on here trying to make out it was poor!
To give the team the support the way you do is commendable and I share your thoughts that fans should still be supporting the team whatever they think of the regime!
I see your summing up of Crofts and Foley has also been questioned, I have been to the last three PSF's and in the last two have been impressed with Crofts and Foley will be a useful squad member. They are both seasoned professionals who will do well in L1.
Let's hope for some new signings this week and three points on Saturday!
Al
Cheers for your support, but what I'm trying to do with my post is that football is not rational, it's in my blood and everyone else's. I can understand the frustration of everyone's complaints about the owners, some of which I agree with, but with no sign of them leaving what do I do? Become a bitter Belgium hater, giving up my season ticket? I have decided not to do that. Some people will say that I'm not a true Charlton fan, but I will continue to support the club that I love. I know that I will get pelters, just as well I live in Manchester!
People don't protest by not going to Austria. in fact the obverse. If they felt that strongly about it, they would spend money to make the point. It's because our fan base is falling because of other off field reasons, whatever they may be, and again, I will state that I'm not criticising anyone for not going to a football game, there's lots of other stuff going on in people's lives.
The off the field reasons are indeed why support is dropping: Duchatalet. To believe people are chucking it in because of life style changes is at best mad.
Why? It costs a lot of money, if you are not in the Prem or even the Championship, there is not much cudos with your family or friends. It's understandable.
The massive hole in your theory is that last time we were relegated to League One we still had in the region of 15k season ticket holders. This time around we have just over a third of that number.
Crowds have been consistently dwindling since RD and Meire took over, included are ST holders whom had already paid for the season upfront.
It's more than just the football and changes in personal circumstance. The regime is toxic, they are turning people away. They have removed hope and expectation from large sections of the fanbase who now believe that no good can come whilst these people are in charge.
I find it offensive that you try to pigeonhole those of us that are actively boycotting the regime in this way. It's time to wake up, if our current trend continues, the quality of football you are watching will be in eternal decline as we drop down the divisions.
Your three wise monkey impression is not helping, and I'd go as far to say that, in fact, it facilitates the downfall of the club.
I do have a concern over the term " the regime is toxic" I assume you mean the owners are killing the club. We are certainly on our knees, but not dead yet.
OK, People are asking me to respond to my original post, so here goes! I have renewed my season ticket and I am continuing to support Valley Gold. Last season, living in South Manchester, I missed 5 games all season, home and away. I went to Austria to support the team, I was the only Charlton supporter, in Pinkafeld, to support the team against the Russians. In Birkfeild I was the only UK based supporter against the Israelis, although their were some enthusiastic Italian and Austrian Charlton fans, including Vienna addick and his son. I would recommend these European pre-season tours to any fan. I had a fantastic time in Vienna, visiting 3 art galleries, taking a selfie with Klimt's kiss in the Belvedere museum, and generally enjoying myself, especially hiring a car for the second game, and visiting Hundertwasser's spa village at Blumeau, a cross between Park Guell in Barcellona and Hobbiton, fantastic. The reason I'm going on about the tour is that I was amazed that I was the only one. Coventry played Sturm Graz in the same stadium in Pinkafeld, and they bought around 30 supporters. Has the poison got so deep, the anti- Duchatelier brigade so vociferous, that people couldn't be bothered to go and support the team?
My view is that many ( not all, I'm sure that there are fans who are so disillusioned with the Belgium ownership who passionately believe that not renewing their season tickets will force them out) supporters are using the Belgium takeover as an excuse for not renewing their season tickets. A drop in division, less attractive football are all good reasons. Family commitments, better things to do, are also fine. A concern about the people on Life who are very vociferous on removing the Belgiums hardly ever go and watch Charlton. I'm sure they have Charlton to their heart, and this is to be commended, but it's not the same as seeing game after game.
I have watched the development of Crofts and Foley through pre-season. I must admit that in the first two games Crofts was poor, giving the ball away, and generally looked off the pace and making poor decisions. Foley, on the other hand had decent games against the Russians in midfield, and against the Israelis at right back, and to me he looked more likely to get a contract. Having seen both players against Ipswich and the Dutch team at The Valley, Crofts has made excellent progress, and Foley did well. So what do I see on Charlton Life, several lifers referring to both players being called Twedledum and Twedeldee, people wanting to insult Charlton players. I found the whole series of comments pathetic. If Russell Slade feels they are good enough for Charlton I will give them my full support.
Arriving home in Altincham last night, I logged on and looked at the match thread, and read a comment that Russell Slade had chosen a team in protest at the transfer policy by the club. Within 10 comments it was a fact. A problem I have with CL is that a weird rumour becomes fact for many people, and they believe it. This then builds and builds until it becomes almost histerical. So what are the facts?
I've rambled on long enough, and I guess most people want to know if I am a Roland and Katrien appeaser, so they can give me dog's abuse, That will have to wait until the close of the transfer window.
AA, fair play for posting this response, because you knew you were in for pelters!
I have highlighted a paragraph that I totally agree with and also find impossible to comprehend. I fully understand people's dislike of RD and KM, but they are becoming so blinkered in their hatred that they actually come to believe some of the shit they are posting. Russell Slade actually stated that they were experimenting with a different formation in the first half and yet you have idiots on here actually believing that it was a protest against the transfer policy, it's so incredible, it's laughable!
I'm also glad that Tracey has been on CL today to say how well the after match player signing went, which shot a few down on here trying to make out it was poor!
To give the team the support the way you do is commendable and I share your thoughts that fans should still be supporting the team whatever they think of the regime!
I see your summing up of Crofts and Foley has also been questioned, I have been to the last three PSF's and in the last two have been impressed with Crofts and Foley will be a useful squad member. They are both seasoned professionals who will do well in L1.
Let's hope for some new signings this week and three points on Saturday!
Al
Cheers for your support, but what I'm trying to do with my post is that football is not rational, it's in my blood and everyone else's. I can understand the frustration of everyone's complaints about the owners, some of which I agree with, but with no sign of them leaving what do I do? Become a bitter Belgium hater, giving up my season ticket? I have decided not to do that. Some people will say that I'm not a true Charlton fan, but I will continue to support the club that I love. I know that I will get pelters, just as well I live in Manchester!
Personally i believe you should carry on with your loyal support for whatever reason you like. You don't need to justify it.
I am not so sure you should criticise other supporters who think differently however. For example you mention the Jimenez/Slater era as worse than this lot.
Jimenez/Slater got us promoted, this lot got us relegated.
So on that basis I disagree with you, and I believe you would be gracious in accepting other supporters are sincere in believing it is this regime to blame for our demise and distress.
OK, People are asking me to respond to my original post, so here goes! I have renewed my season ticket and I am continuing to support Valley Gold. Last season, living in South Manchester, I missed 5 games all season, home and away. I went to Austria to support the team, I was the only Charlton supporter, in Pinkafeld, to support the team against the Russians. In Birkfeild I was the only UK based supporter against the Israelis, although their were some enthusiastic Italian and Austrian Charlton fans, including Vienna addick and his son. I would recommend these European pre-season tours to any fan. I had a fantastic time in Vienna, visiting 3 art galleries, taking a selfie with Klimt's kiss in the Belvedere museum, and generally enjoying myself, especially hiring a car for the second game, and visiting Hundertwasser's spa village at Blumeau, a cross between Park Guell in Barcellona and Hobbiton, fantastic. The reason I'm going on about the tour is that I was amazed that I was the only one. Coventry played Sturm Graz in the same stadium in Pinkafeld, and they bought around 30 supporters. Has the poison got so deep, the anti- Duchatelier brigade so vociferous, that people couldn't be bothered to go and support the team?
My view is that many ( not all, I'm sure that there are fans who are so disillusioned with the Belgium ownership who passionately believe that not renewing their season tickets will force them out) supporters are using the Belgium takeover as an excuse for not renewing their season tickets. A drop in division, less attractive football are all good reasons. Family commitments, better things to do, are also fine. A concern about the people on Life who are very vociferous on removing the Belgiums hardly ever go and watch Charlton. I'm sure they have Charlton to their heart, and this is to be commended, but it's not the same as seeing game after game.
I have watched the development of Crofts and Foley through pre-season. I must admit that in the first two games Crofts was poor, giving the ball away, and generally looked off the pace and making poor decisions. Foley, on the other hand had decent games against the Russians in midfield, and against the Israelis at right back, and to me he looked more likely to get a contract. Having seen both players against Ipswich and the Dutch team at The Valley, Crofts has made excellent progress, and Foley did well. So what do I see on Charlton Life, several lifers referring to both players being called Twedledum and Twedeldee, people wanting to insult Charlton players. I found the whole series of comments pathetic. If Russell Slade feels they are good enough for Charlton I will give them my full support.
Arriving home in Altincham last night, I logged on and looked at the match thread, and read a comment that Russell Slade had chosen a team in protest at the transfer policy by the club. Within 10 comments it was a fact. A problem I have with CL is that a weird rumour becomes fact for many people, and they believe it. This then builds and builds until it becomes almost histerical. So what are the facts?
I've rambled on long enough, and I guess most people want to know if I am a Roland and Katrien appeaser, so they can give me dog's abuse, That will have to wait until the close of the transfer window.
AA, fair play for posting this response, because you knew you were in for pelters!
I have highlighted a paragraph that I totally agree with and also find impossible to comprehend. I fully understand people's dislike of RD and KM, but they are becoming so blinkered in their hatred that they actually come to believe some of the shit they are posting. Russell Slade actually stated that they were experimenting with a different formation in the first half and yet you have idiots on here actually believing that it was a protest against the transfer policy, it's so incredible, it's laughable!
I'm also glad that Tracey has been on CL today to say how well the after match player signing went, which shot a few down on here trying to make out it was poor!
To give the team the support the way you do is commendable and I share your thoughts that fans should still be supporting the team whatever they think of the regime!
I see your summing up of Crofts and Foley has also been questioned, I have been to the last three PSF's and in the last two have been impressed with Crofts and Foley will be a useful squad member. They are both seasoned professionals who will do well in L1.
Let's hope for some new signings this week and three points on Saturday!
Al
Cheers for your support, but what I'm trying to do with my post is that football is not rational, it's in my blood and everyone else's. I can understand the frustration of everyone's complaints about the owners, some of which I agree with, but with no sign of them leaving what do I do? Become a bitter Belgium hater, giving up my season ticket? I have decided not to do that. Some people will say that I'm not a true Charlton fan, but I will continue to support the club that I love. I know that I will get pelters, just as well I live in Manchester!
Personally i believe you should carry on with your loyal support for whatever reason you like. You don't need to justify it.
I am not so sure you should criticise other supporters who think differently however. For example you mention the Jimenez/Slater era as worse than this lot.
Jimenez/Slater got us promoted, this lot got us relegated.
So on that basis I disagree with you, and I believe you would be gracious in accepting other supporters are sincere in believing it is this regime to blame for our demise and distress.
OK, People are asking me to respond to my original post, so here goes! I have renewed my season ticket and I am continuing to support Valley Gold. Last season, living in South Manchester, I missed 5 games all season, home and away. I went to Austria to support the team, I was the only Charlton supporter, in Pinkafeld, to support the team against the Russians. In Birkfeild I was the only UK based supporter against the Israelis, although their were some enthusiastic Italian and Austrian Charlton fans, including Vienna addick and his son. I would recommend these European pre-season tours to any fan. I had a fantastic time in Vienna, visiting 3 art galleries, taking a selfie with Klimt's kiss in the Belvedere museum, and generally enjoying myself, especially hiring a car for the second game, and visiting Hundertwasser's spa village at Blumeau, a cross between Park Guell in Barcellona and Hobbiton, fantastic. The reason I'm going on about the tour is that I was amazed that I was the only one. Coventry played Sturm Graz in the same stadium in Pinkafeld, and they bought around 30 supporters. Has the poison got so deep, the anti- Duchatelier brigade so vociferous, that people couldn't be bothered to go and support the team?
My view is that many ( not all, I'm sure that there are fans who are so disillusioned with the Belgium ownership who passionately believe that not renewing their season tickets will force them out) supporters are using the Belgium takeover as an excuse for not renewing their season tickets. A drop in division, less attractive football are all good reasons. Family commitments, better things to do, are also fine. A concern about the people on Life who are very vociferous on removing the Belgiums hardly ever go and watch Charlton. I'm sure they have Charlton to their heart, and this is to be commended, but it's not the same as seeing game after game.
I have watched the development of Crofts and Foley through pre-season. I must admit that in the first two games Crofts was poor, giving the ball away, and generally looked off the pace and making poor decisions. Foley, on the other hand had decent games against the Russians in midfield, and against the Israelis at right back, and to me he looked more likely to get a contract. Having seen both players against Ipswich and the Dutch team at The Valley, Crofts has made excellent progress, and Foley did well. So what do I see on Charlton Life, several lifers referring to both players being called Twedledum and Twedeldee, people wanting to insult Charlton players. I found the whole series of comments pathetic. If Russell Slade feels they are good enough for Charlton I will give them my full support.
Arriving home in Altincham last night, I logged on and looked at the match thread, and read a comment that Russell Slade had chosen a team in protest at the transfer policy by the club. Within 10 comments it was a fact. A problem I have with CL is that a weird rumour becomes fact for many people, and they believe it. This then builds and builds until it becomes almost histerical. So what are the facts?
I've rambled on long enough, and I guess most people want to know if I am a Roland and Katrien appeaser, so they can give me dog's abuse, That will have to wait until the close of the transfer window.
AA, fair play for posting this response, because you knew you were in for pelters!
I have highlighted a paragraph that I totally agree with and also find impossible to comprehend. I fully understand people's dislike of RD and KM, but they are becoming so blinkered in their hatred that they actually come to believe some of the shit they are posting. Russell Slade actually stated that they were experimenting with a different formation in the first half and yet you have idiots on here actually believing that it was a protest against the transfer policy, it's so incredible, it's laughable!
I'm also glad that Tracey has been on CL today to say how well the after match player signing went, which shot a few down on here trying to make out it was poor!
To give the team the support the way you do is commendable and I share your thoughts that fans should still be supporting the team whatever they think of the regime!
I see your summing up of Crofts and Foley has also been questioned, I have been to the last three PSF's and in the last two have been impressed with Crofts and Foley will be a useful squad member. They are both seasoned professionals who will do well in L1.
Let's hope for some new signings this week and three points on Saturday!
Al
Cheers for your support, but what I'm trying to do with my post is that football is not rational, it's in my blood and everyone else's. I can understand the frustration of everyone's complaints about the owners, some of which I agree with, but with no sign of them leaving what do I do? Become a bitter Belgium hater, giving up my season ticket? I have decided not to do that. Some people will say that I'm not a true Charlton fan, but I will continue to support the club that I love. I know that I will get pelters, just as well I live in Manchester!
Personally i believe you should carry on with your loyal support for whatever reason you like. You don't need to justify it.
I am not so sure you should criticise other supporters who think differently however. For example you mention the Jimenez/Slater era as worse than this lot.
Jimenez/Slater got us promoted, this lot got us relegated.
So on that basis I disagree with you, and I believe you would be gracious in accepting other supporters are sincere in believing it is this regime to blame for our demise and distress.
I thank you for your response, Seth, I've always enjoyed your reports from the youth team games. I have noticed a change in your attitude towards the club in the last few months. I don't think that my comment about Jimenez /Slater was ever meant to be a critism of fans, I was just commenting on my opinion of the owners. If this was viewed as a criticism of fans who thought they did a good job I apologise.
My personal philosophy is, I live in SE7, there's football every other Saturday in a lovely stadium, involving the team I've supported since I was a kid, and it costs £150 for a whole season. I'll be renewing, but I understand if others don't want to. After all, we're being run ineptly.
This isn't the club I supported as a kid. The game moves on of course and it's never gonna be like it was but there's a happy medium and these shitebags have taken the club in a direction that is just not what Charlton is about to me and I don't want to fund it. I don't understand how those unhappy with the ownership can contribute even a penny to them...even though he's minted logically every penny and pound more income from the fans is less incentive to sell even if not the main driver for this lunatic freak weirdo who is leveraging the club into dangerous levels of debt. But each to their own and it will be really bad if fans start becoming divided as that's when the regime will win.
Will be a few months if that until Sladegate occurs and the protests ramp up again and hopefully the penny will drop for those unconvinced that this mob are taken us nowhere but down the football leagues and into ever increasing debt by the week. We are really in dangerous territory under this mob through their utter incompetence, lack of shame and complete apathy and disinterest about the football side of this football club.
Fair enough. The debt aspect is by far the most concerning for me. And yet, season ticket prices are as low (compared to the market at large) as they've ever been since I started supporting. They're giving with one hand, taking with another. It's confusing. I'll make my mind up from the stands (North Lower this season, thanks Katrien! )
I'll also add, non-controversially, that English football is fucked.
Altrincham, you appear to be desperately clutching at straws to support your views which in all honesty you will have trouble substantiating. It is quite revealing that you are unwilling to state your views on the regime at this time. I suspect you will find more reasons not to do so at the end of August.
My views are that they are no worse or better than Jimenez and Slater, but they seem to get a lot more abuse. The appointment of Karel Frey was a monumental mistake which was compounded by keeping him in the job for far too long. But I'm in this for the long term, and am happy with the appointment of Slade. Lets hope he gets the support.
Quite simply because Jimenez retained Chris Powell as manager and whether or not you rate his ability you could not conceivably question his integrity.
Jimenez and Slater were scum in my book, but they didn't get involved in the day to day running of the club at all, certainly until they forced out Varney and Kavanagh, and even then they wanted Prothero to do it.
Despite all that they wanted to put a winning team on the pitch for their own purposes, which coincided with what fans wanted. There's no confidence that is what Duchatelet wants or at least no trust in his ability to do so. Hence the reaction he and his puppet get from a majority of fans.
If you really think so many longtime fans are giving up season tickets for other reasons I think you are deluding yourself.
For what's it's worth I don't think we will ever see Duchatelet humiliated by a judge in the way that Jimenez was, which is to his credit.
My views are that they are no worse or better than Jimenez and Slater
Really? Did the spiv's appoint a decent manager who knew Charlton, who got us promoted on a fairly tight budget? Did they go through successive, inadequate, managers? Did they interfere with team selection, chose players to send in. I'd agree they weren't the model owners, strapped for cash etc and probably ran their course, but to say they were no better or no worse than RD is bordering insanity.
There are a lot of disagreements between Charlton fans right now, but what I thought 99% of us all believed was that RD needs to go, what do they need to do Altrincham to make you think that? In fact what is it they've done that doesn't make you think that? They've proved, beyond doubt, that their model doesn't work and they are incapable of running a football club.
I'm all for looking for positives but right now and after the past two+ years i'm struggling to find many if any.........
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By the way, your comments about many non-ST renewers just using the regime as an excuse are, in my view, outrageously wide of the mark.
Will be a few months if that until Sladegate occurs and the protests ramp up again and hopefully the penny will drop for those unconvinced that this mob are taken us nowhere but down the football leagues and into ever increasing debt by the week. We are really in dangerous territory under this mob through their utter incompetence, lack of shame and complete apathy and disinterest about the football side of this football club.
I guess habits die hard.
Can't say we enjoyed the football. At times thought about shouting at meire and keohane who were close by, decided not to in the end.
Thought Foley was poor, crofts looked odd but better (has a strange vertical body position), Holmes looked very good, overall though we looked rubbish and Meire in particular and duchatelet are largely responsible.
If they had given Slade a net £5m budget and a wage reduction target we would be laughing. Giving him a net -£2m budget and wage reduction target is just really dumb, and this is the problem.
TJ and Jiminez whilst not Charlton people were not in the same league to the average joe Charlton supporter as these lemons and had they not run out of money we'd probably be in the top flight or at least challenging for it each season with a bit of pride and a club that bore some resemblance to the one most of us grew up watching.
Crowds have been consistently dwindling since RD and Meire took over, included are ST holders whom had already paid for the season upfront.
It's more than just the football and changes in personal circumstance. The regime is toxic, they are turning people away. They have removed hope and expectation from large sections of the fanbase who now believe that no good can come whilst these people are in charge.
I find it offensive that you try to pigeonhole those of us that are actively boycotting the regime in this way. It's time to wake up, if our current trend continues, the quality of football you are watching will be in eternal decline as we drop down the divisions.
Your three wise monkey impression is not helping, and I'd go as far to say that, in fact, it facilitates the downfall of the club.
I have highlighted a paragraph that I totally agree with and also find impossible to comprehend. I fully understand people's dislike of RD and KM, but they are becoming so blinkered in their hatred that they actually come to believe some of the shit they are posting. Russell Slade actually stated that they were experimenting with a different formation in the first half and yet you have idiots on here actually believing that it was a protest against the transfer policy, it's so incredible, it's laughable!
I'm also glad that Tracey has been on CL today to say how well the after match player signing went, which shot a few down on here trying to make out it was poor!
To give the team the support the way you do is commendable and I share your thoughts that fans should still be supporting the team whatever they think of the regime!
I see your summing up of Crofts and Foley has also been questioned, I have been to the last three PSF's and in the last two have been impressed with Crofts and Foley will be a useful squad member. They are both seasoned professionals who will do well in L1.
Let's hope for some new signings this week and three points on Saturday!
Al
I thought I could, I thought I should, I can't.
This does not mean i dislike the regime any less. Katrien is exceptionally incompetent, Roland is a terrible owner.
I am not so sure you should criticise other supporters who think differently however. For example you mention the Jimenez/Slater era as worse than this lot.
Jimenez/Slater got us promoted, this lot got us relegated.
So on that basis I disagree with you, and I believe you would be gracious in accepting other supporters are sincere in believing it is this regime to blame for our demise and distress.
I'll also add, non-controversially, that English football is fucked.
Jimenez and Slater were scum in my book, but they didn't get involved in the day to day running of the club at all, certainly until they forced out Varney and Kavanagh, and even then they wanted Prothero to do it.
Despite all that they wanted to put a winning team on the pitch for their own purposes, which coincided with what fans wanted. There's no confidence that is what Duchatelet wants or at least no trust in his ability to do so. Hence the reaction he and his puppet get from a majority of fans.
If you really think so many longtime fans are giving up season tickets for other reasons I think you are deluding yourself.
For what's it's worth I don't think we will ever see Duchatelet humiliated by a judge in the way that Jimenez was, which is to his credit.
There are a lot of disagreements between Charlton fans right now, but what I thought 99% of us all believed was that RD needs to go, what do they need to do Altrincham to make you think that? In fact what is it they've done that doesn't make you think that? They've proved, beyond doubt, that their model doesn't work and they are incapable of running a football club.
I'm all for looking for positives but right now and after the past two+ years i'm struggling to find many if any.........