Anybody familiar with Richard's style will be able to guess what he was like. A mix of what experiences he has had, comparisons with other clubs, bigging up Saturday as a sea change, bringing Jacko in to reinforce the point of the positive Karel effect and so on. Richard was loyal to the regime, but I feel the later contribution by Craig Norris was telling. Craig was a supporters director before, and reminded Richard of some of the good stuff about fan involvement which I think resonated with Richard, and he was relatively quiet after that, The most serious 'whaaaat' moment of all, amongst some other ones, was to suggest that every managerial appointment had been a success. I really urge people to watch that bit because however it is spun, it simply isn't true. The notion was that each managerial appointment led to an upsurge in form (the following crap was overlooked) and I believe, as others have said, that they hope Karel will follow that pattern.
Actually I forgot, the reason why a lot of people dont know about the funeral idea is that AFKA wisely lifted it off the public threads, to keep the element of surprise.
Better leave it to Damo to decide which of his ideas he wants to run with, and then there is the problem of making them happen without giving anybody the chance to spike them.
The biggest wtf moment should have been at the talk us through the goal Jacko that is totally insane, very funny though that someone was only there to meet and get autographs,
Yeah - think we all need to sleep on it. There have been a few good ideas but like anything - getting it organised and arranged (and having the time to do it) is another matter entirely.
"the job is the job, but you remain a human being, and deserve respect for that".
I really wish you hadn't said that.
I said it personally one to one after the meeting, and I mean it. Indeed my line was more that what actions you take and such like is one thing, but I am sorry that she has been personally attacked, because actually I am. It wasn't said publically, although earlier I did say publically that any personal abuse was wrong, and that I felt sorry about it, and that 99% of Charlton fans do not want this personal stuff to happen....or words to that effect. Now I accept that many will think I shouldn't have said any of that stuff, she ought to be tough enough, heat and kitchens and so on, but I simply wanted to say it and I did. I don't think I have been treacherous in saying what I did, but in the moment as it were I said such stuff and I can't change it now.
For what it's worth I agree with what you said, there should be no room for personal insults. By all means attack someone's comments or opinions but leave off the insults as all they do is lessen the effect.
Thanks for posting your notes, I'm looking forward to watching the meeting tomorrow and drawing my own conclusions.
I totally agree with all those who've said we should continue the actions, let's do our best to ensure the "2% of fans" estimate is shown to be ridiculously low.
Fuming indignation, based on snippets of information delivered by Twitter. Why not bottle up your fury until you see the full video?
A witch hunt worthy of Arthur Miller.
With a conspiracy twist thrown in ( which bastard apologized? Grr, must be a club stooge. Oh, wait, there's an explanation......oops.)
Foul abuse of KM and fellow fans, in the case of the latter at least, again on incomplete evidence, covers none of the protagonists on here in any glory.
You apologised for someone swearing at her because of the shit job she's doing running the club into the ground and disrespecting the fans.
It defies belief it really does. Acting like that gives her basis to think 'it's only 2% everyone else is fine'
Embarrassing
Oh do fuck off. He said "I apologise that people said that to you". Very much the politician's "sorry-not-sorry" apology i.e. "Sorry I made you feel that way" without actually being sorry at all.
And it's fair enough, I don't want to hear people in the crowds shouting about her getting raped (one bloke who I didn't clock, one time, by the way).
Backbone of a jellyfish.
Again: ..... (Sorry AFKA.)
You are eager to discredit all his thoughts based on that? Ridiculous. You might like to think that she is human, at the end of the day - but I rarely see you post anything that indicates any kind of awareness or compassion for others.
Are we really in a tiny, pissed off minority? The only ones who feel the way we do about this dog-shit regime? Are we really outnumbered by more sensible fans who can see the value RD/KM bring and think we're just rabble rousers?
I find that incredibly hard to believe.
But it needs thousands of us, not just a few hundred, to take co-ordinated action to prove that our feelings are widespread.
No, listen to the crowd in general during most matches, look at the falling attendances.
Fuming indignation, based on snippets of information delivered by Twitter. Why not bottle up your fury until you see the full video?
A witch hunt worthy of Arthur Miller.
With a conspiracy twist thrown in ( which bastard apologized? Grr, must be a club stooge. Oh, wait, there's an explanation......oops.)
Foul abuse of KM and fellow fans, in the case of the latter at least, again on incomplete evidence, covers none of the protagonists on here in any glory.
Quotes are quotes. They are word for word. The quotes we heard are either lies or, infact no mostly just lies. It's not even an opinion that our managers have got better (one after another) it's a lie. If KF is 'better' than JR why was he assistant to him in the first place?
Does Katrin deserve to be treated differently because she's a woman? Any personal abuse is wrong but to come to the window, take a photo (why?) and antagonise the crowd means it is inevitable that you are going to take some flack. Just keep away and you wouldn't see anything! It was a huge misjudgement and showed how seriously she took the protest. Her words tonight back that up and to come out with the boyfriend or father line is pathetic in my opinion. She may have just been referring to the 300-1500 people in the car park tonight but to me it shows that her reaction to criticism whether constructive or not is to just bat it away by saying the critic is deluded, old, negative or whatever else.
Katrin, you are in a position of power and the fans are the lifeblood of the club-stop brushing us off!! It's never going to happen though is it?
Also new lies coming to light this evening: managers being an improvement each time, the owner not getting involved in team selection (Powell and Dyer were telling porkies), this interim manager rubbish and young players getting "frustrated."
I can't update fully tonight as need to go to bed.
I suggest everyone watches the video then give a bit of a calmer opinion.
The JJ goal question was a jokey comment made by a member of staff.
The tweet mentioning one fan slagging off the fans was made by a club employee who was at MK Dons. The room was full of club staff who were invited to listen. They were probably the ones that clapped at the end. Tho he was the only one to speak... Well rant really.
I think the main message put across was how unhappy fans are with the way she has treated everyone. She didn't like the way Rich took control of the meeting at all after she announced she was the chair.
One big comment from Richard Murray saying how important the relationship is between the owner and the manager and our owner likes to know his manager. Depressing
I have pages of scribbled notes but please remember what reporters have tweeted are the answers only. There were questions asked.
Why would you apologise Jesus Christ we have some utter stains in our support, between the board they are killing this club and your more worried about saying how sorry you are. Fuck that bollocks why didn't you ask the regime hard questions, why wasn't Roland at this meeting for example ? What are you going to Learn from our terrible attendances and non existent feeling around the club ? Instead you bowed down and said your sorry
Im actually embarrassed for you.
No wonder they are taking the piss out of us fans she will be at home now saying don't worry Roland there all apologetic and will tow the line from now on.
I hope a group takes this by the scruff of the neck now and pulls people together for mass protests, mass boycotts of products, causes embbaresment for the board at the live game. Do whatever we can as fans to drive these divs out of our club.
You apologised for someone swearing at her because of the shit job she's doing running the club into the ground and disrespecting the fans.
It defies belief it really does. Acting like that gives her basis to think 'it's only 2% everyone else is fine'
Embarrassing
Oh do fuck off. He said "I apologise that people said that to you". Very much the politician's "sorry-not-sorry" apology i.e. "Sorry I made you feel that way" without actually being sorry at all.
And it's fair enough, I don't want to hear people in the crowds shouting about her getting raped (one bloke who I didn't clock, one time, by the way).
Backbone of a jellyfish.
Again: ..... (Sorry AFKA.)
You are eager to discredit all his thoughts based on that? Ridiculous. You might like to think that she is human, at the end of the day - but I rarely see you post anything that indicates any kind of awareness or compassion for others.
This is what they want fans arguing with each other this is the time we all need to stick together and push for what we want after all we pay the money to watch our great club and also brainwash our kids to do the same and all they are doing is driving us all away
Why would you apologise Jesus Christ we have some utter stains in our support, between the board they are killing this club and your more worried about saying how sorry you are. Fuck that bollocks why didn't you ask the regime hard questions, why wasn't Roland at this meeting for example ? What are you going to Learn from our terrible attendances and non existent feeling around the club ? Instead you bowed down and said your sorry
Im actually embarrassed for you.
No wonder they are taking the piss out of us fans she will be at home now saying don't worry Roland there all apologetic and will tow the line from now on.
I hope a group takes this by the scruff of the neck now and pulls people together for mass protests, mass boycotts of products, causes embbaresment for the board at the live game. Do whatever we can as fans to drive these divs out of our club.
Hang on a minute we have club employees slagging off our support? Probably worse than if it was a fan. What right does someone being paid by the club have to slag off fans that pay week in week out to support this circus of a football club?
Intrigued to hear some context to the tweet about Katrien mentioning that over 50% of our supporters are over 50. Is she going to oversee a cull of our senior fans?
Why would you apologise Jesus Christ we have some utter stains in our support, between the board they are killing this club and your more worried about saying how sorry you are. Fuck that bollocks why didn't you ask the regime hard questions, why wasn't Roland at this meeting for example ? What are you going to Learn from our terrible attendances and non existent feeling around the club ? Instead you bowed down and said your sorry
Im actually embarrassed for you.
No wonder they are taking the piss out of us fans she will be at home now saying don't worry Roland there all apologetic and will tow the line from now on.
I hope a group takes this by the scruff of the neck now and pulls people together for mass protests, mass boycotts of products, causes embbaresment for the board at the live game. Do whatever we can as fans to drive these divs out of our club.
Hang on a minute we have club employees slagging off our support? Probably worse than if it was a fan. What right does someone being paid by the club have to slag off fans that pay week in week out to support this circus of a football club?
Dan nail on head, it's more saddening to me that the unwillingness to harness the emotions and anger into a driven and enthused United fan base is so obvious for all to see, it stinks of peoples egos and a need to show that I am more angry than anyone else by some,
Like it or not to solve this issue you need a structure, a blue print for what you want to achieve and someone leading it
Intrigued to hear some context to the tweet about Katrien mentioning that over 50% of our supporters are over 50. Is she going to oversee a cull of our senior fans?
Was in reference to the artic tin the foreign press where it was lost in translation that she didn't care for older fans.
To complain about protests, especially people being nasty To suggest we call off protests To tell us all the managerial appointments have worked To tell us how grateful we should be to Roland for investing so much of his cash To allow some, at times, tame questioning and to allow some representatives to apologise for what most in the room seem to regard as a disgruntled minority.
Odd to think we are in the bottom three and a laughing stock. And the supporters I hear inside and outside the ground must just be the handful who are not buying into Roland, that woman and the overall shambles. What odds that?
Why would you apologise Jesus Christ we have some utter stains in our support, between the board they are killing this club and your more worried about saying how sorry you are. Fuck that bollocks why didn't you ask the regime hard questions, why wasn't Roland at this meeting for example ? What are you going to Learn from our terrible attendances and non existent feeling around the club ? Instead you bowed down and said your sorry
Im actually embarrassed for you.
No wonder they are taking the piss out of us fans she will be at home now saying don't worry Roland there all apologetic and will tow the line from now on.
I hope a group takes this by the scruff of the neck now and pulls people together for mass protests, mass boycotts of products, causes embbaresment for the board at the live game. Do whatever we can as fans to drive these divs out of our club.
Ah, another prize twat eh.
Am I a prize twat though? I am thinking the same.
Cringeworthy
You have missed the point though toddler or more than likely not read Seth's posts above properly. Let's see the video tomorrow or whatever is put out, and maybe we'll feel a bit more unity again then without the petty squabbles
Dan nail on head, it's more saddening to me that the unwillingness to harness the emotions and anger into a driven and enthused United fan base is so obvious for all to see, it stinks of peoples egos and a need to show that I am more angry than anyone else by some,
Like it or not to solve this issue you need a structure, a blue print for what you want to achieve and someone leading it
Good luck with that one folks
It needs to go back to how back to the valley was run there was no slagging each other just a lot of people who have the club running through their veins pulling together for the good of the club and don't forget all before the Internet just imagine how it could be done if it's done right
Why would you apologise Jesus Christ we have some utter stains in our support, between the board they are killing this club and your more worried about saying how sorry you are. Fuck that bollocks why didn't you ask the regime hard questions, why wasn't Roland at this meeting for example ? What are you going to Learn from our terrible attendances and non existent feeling around the club ? Instead you bowed down and said your sorry
Im actually embarrassed for you.
No wonder they are taking the piss out of us fans she will be at home now saying don't worry Roland there all apologetic and will tow the line from now on.
I hope a group takes this by the scruff of the neck now and pulls people together for mass protests, mass boycotts of products, causes embbaresment for the board at the live game. Do whatever we can as fans to drive these divs out of our club.
Ah, another prize twat eh.
Am I a prize twat though? I am thinking the same.
Cringeworthy
Just to clarify, I am calling you a prize twat. While my dad might be one sometimes, in this instance please rest assured that I am referring solely to you.
- He apologised because she shouldn't have to be personally abused. Yes, fine, ask her what the fuck she's doing, but personal stuff isn't okay (regardless of gender - I'm unhappy she played the gender card btw)
- "Why didn't you ask the regime hard questions?" Er, well, a good few WERE asked, but you'll need to wait for the film to verify. The questions asked were organised by various bodies present at the event. Katrien was surprised at how organised the fans were, and that @rikofold was taking a lead on behalf of many.
- Asking questions like "where's Roland" they would have prepared for. There was a whole series of questions on supporter disconnect.
- She won't be saying that to Roland, especially because of the Twitter shitstorm. And protests will of course continue.
- How about reading Seth's whole post again, and not fixating on the "apology" bit?
To clarify, he wasn't the one who said the fans' behaviour was "disgusting".
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The most serious 'whaaaat' moment of all, amongst some other ones, was to suggest that every managerial appointment had been a success.
I really urge people to watch that bit because however it is spun, it simply isn't true. The notion was that each managerial appointment led to an upsurge in form (the following crap was overlooked) and I believe, as others have said, that they hope Karel will follow that pattern.
Better leave it to Damo to decide which of his ideas he wants to run with, and then there is the problem of making them happen without giving anybody the chance to spike them.
Sleep on it, I think.
Thanks for posting your notes, I'm looking forward to watching the meeting tomorrow and drawing my own conclusions.
I totally agree with all those who've said we should continue the actions, let's do our best to ensure the "2% of fans" estimate is shown to be ridiculously low.
Fuming indignation, based on snippets of information delivered by Twitter. Why not bottle up your fury until you see the full video?
A witch hunt worthy of Arthur Miller.
With a conspiracy twist thrown in ( which bastard apologized? Grr, must be a club stooge. Oh, wait, there's an explanation......oops.)
Foul abuse of KM and fellow fans, in the case of the latter at least, again on incomplete evidence, covers none of the protagonists on here in any glory.
Well said Seth, and well done Rickofold
You are eager to discredit all his thoughts based on that? Ridiculous. You might like to think that she is human, at the end of the day - but I rarely see you post anything that indicates any kind of awareness or compassion for others.
The video will enrage more anger imo.
Katrin, you are in a position of power and the fans are the lifeblood of the club-stop brushing us off!! It's never going to happen though is it?
Also new lies coming to light this evening: managers being an improvement each time, the owner not getting involved in team selection (Powell and Dyer were telling porkies), this interim manager rubbish and young players getting "frustrated."
Great posts from Fanny and Leaburn in response.
What is the plan for Ipswich?!
I can't update fully tonight as need to go to bed.
I suggest everyone watches the video then give a bit of a calmer opinion.
The JJ goal question was a jokey comment made by a member of staff.
The tweet mentioning one fan slagging off the fans was made by a club employee who was at MK Dons. The room was full of club staff who were invited to listen. They were probably the ones that clapped at the end. Tho he was the only one to speak... Well rant really.
I think the main message put across was how unhappy fans are with the way she has treated everyone. She didn't like the way Rich took control of the meeting at all after she announced she was the chair.
One big comment from Richard Murray saying how important the relationship is between the owner and the manager and our owner likes to know his manager. Depressing
I have pages of scribbled notes but please remember what reporters have tweeted are the answers only. There were questions asked.
I'm going to bed.
Learn from our terrible attendances and non existent feeling around the club ? Instead you bowed down and said your sorry
Im actually embarrassed for you.
No wonder they are taking the piss out of us fans she will be at home now saying don't worry Roland there all apologetic and will tow the line from now on.
I hope a group takes this by the scruff of the neck now and pulls people together for mass protests, mass boycotts of products, causes embbaresment for the board at the live game. Do whatever we can as fans to drive these divs out of our club.
Cringeworthy
Like it or not to solve this issue you need a structure, a blue print for what you want to achieve and someone leading it
Good luck with that one folks
She does...
To complain about protests, especially people being nasty
To suggest we call off protests
To tell us all the managerial appointments have worked
To tell us how grateful we should be to Roland for investing so much of his cash
To allow some, at times, tame questioning and to allow some representatives to apologise for what most in the room seem to regard as a disgruntled minority.
Odd to think we are in the bottom three and a laughing stock. And the supporters I hear inside and outside the ground must just be the handful who are not buying into Roland, that woman and the overall shambles. What odds that?
No, you were abused for laughing while being borderline unprofessional (for a CEO) in taking a photo of a protest against your management.
- He apologised because she shouldn't have to be personally abused. Yes, fine, ask her what the fuck she's doing, but personal stuff isn't okay (regardless of gender - I'm unhappy she played the gender card btw)
- "Why didn't you ask the regime hard questions?" Er, well, a good few WERE asked, but you'll need to wait for the film to verify. The questions asked were organised by various bodies present at the event. Katrien was surprised at how organised the fans were, and that @rikofold was taking a lead on behalf of many.
- Asking questions like "where's Roland" they would have prepared for. There was a whole series of questions on supporter disconnect.
- She won't be saying that to Roland, especially because of the Twitter shitstorm. And protests will of course continue.
- How about reading Seth's whole post again, and not fixating on the "apology" bit?
To clarify, he wasn't the one who said the fans' behaviour was "disgusting".
*may not be true