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Paper wants twitter storm. Paper puts tweets out that will provoke. Paper reports ensuing twitter storm from those relying solely on the tweets. Twitter storm escalates because, well, that's its nature. Job done, angle covered.se9addick said:The big issue for me is that wether the meeting was a success or not doesn't really matter, it's the impression created by the Tweets that the whole thing was a sham that have done the damage. That was certainly my view last night until we heard from the people who were actually there. How many people will actually watch the video ? Not nearly as many as those who have already decided it was nonsense.
If they get the video up in full this morning then I'll try and watch it all and make detailed, objective, notes so that we're better informed. If - as a united supporter base - we're going to base our next course of action on last nights event, let's at least have the full facts first before we do.3 -
Paper was invited by KM...rikofold said:
Paper wants twitter storm. Paper puts tweets out that will provoke. Paper reports ensuing twitter storm from those relying solely on the tweets. Twitter storm escalates because, well, that's its nature. Job done, angle covered.se9addick said:The big issue for me is that wether the meeting was a success or not doesn't really matter, it's the impression created by the Tweets that the whole thing was a sham that have done the damage. That was certainly my view last night until we heard from the people who were actually there. How many people will actually watch the video ? Not nearly as many as those who have already decided it was nonsense.
If they get the video up in full this morning then I'll try and watch it all and make detailed, objective, notes so that we're better informed. If - as a united supporter base - we're going to base our next course of action on last nights event, let's at least have the full facts first before we do.2 -
Cheers for those who went putting up what you have. Having slept and woken with a clearer head I definitely need to watch the video to get a proper picture and feel for how this went down.
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Quite.se9addick said:
Paper was invited by KM...rikofold said:
Paper wants twitter storm. Paper puts tweets out that will provoke. Paper reports ensuing twitter storm from those relying solely on the tweets. Twitter storm escalates because, well, that's its nature. Job done, angle covered.se9addick said:The big issue for me is that wether the meeting was a success or not doesn't really matter, it's the impression created by the Tweets that the whole thing was a sham that have done the damage. That was certainly my view last night until we heard from the people who were actually there. How many people will actually watch the video ? Not nearly as many as those who have already decided it was nonsense.
If they get the video up in full this morning then I'll try and watch it all and make detailed, objective, notes so that we're better informed. If - as a united supporter base - we're going to base our next course of action on last nights event, let's at least have the full facts first before we do.0 -
A couple of things struck me as very poor on KM's part.
The quote re: the managers. Each had the desired effect with the upsurge in form, but until they were sacked. Everyone else has picked up on it, but she's basically saying all we've done is made short term appointments that haven't worked out. She couldn't really have said anything more silly IMO. When a club goes through 5 managers in 2 years, you have to hold your hands up and say you've got it wrong. You shouldn't be appointing managers to rectify the short term failings of others, who can only last a handful of games. It's mental.
The other comment was re: the finances. In her attempt to defend investment in the team, she was keen to talk about the £9m spent plus 40% increase in player wages. She's shot herself in the foot because if that's the case, why are we in the same position in the League as we were when they took over. If someone gave me a significant investment in say my career, put me on an MBA or something, and two years from now I was still in the same job, then something's gone seriously wrong. Might not be a good comparison, but that's how I see it.
I think the anti Belgian stuff in the protest hasn't worked in our favour, in fact I cringe at how that sort of thing might come across in things like the Belgian press. RD/KM could've grown up on Floyd rd for all I care, it is about their mismanagement, not their nationality. She's seen that as an opportunity to throw it back on us, when it should be about them.
Sounds like KF will be given the job full time. Especially given JJ was there to espouse his impact. The problem is I seem to remember talk of GL's impact.
On the whole I'm disappointed wit how it panned out given what I've heard and seen in the tweets etc.
However I won't knock other individual fans who were there and what they said. It's everyone's club, no one person's opinions count anymore than the next, even though the general feeling on here is one anti RD/KM, doesn't mean that everyone else will be thinking that way.
I won't be going to Ipswich, but good luck to all who continue to protest25 -
Having not seen clear photo of the night and may have already been mentioned but was she wearing black and white?
Think she's trying to take the piss a bit if so.1 -
Let's not be hystericalCharltonparklane said:Having not seen clear photo of the night and may have already been mentioned but was she wearing black and white?
Think she's trying to take the piss a bit if so.0 -
Obviously still awaiting video, but it doesn't sound like anything is going to change.
Yes she may agree to the odd meeting with a couple of fans here and there, but she still thinks the manager recruitment has been a success, she still thinks they have spent well on player recruitment, she thinks only 2% of us are angry and she managed to waste time on trivial points such as the Olympic Stadium, Jacko talking about his goal etc.
For me,we need to move on from just pursuing dialogue. We need something where she realizes a whole lot more than 2% of us are pissed off.8 -
What I still do not understand is the question that should be posed at both Katrien and Karel. What qualifications do you have that make you suitable to run the club / manage the team? Neither have held a post that gives them the experience to be suitable candidates and so of course when problems occur... Of course I know the answer in both cases, they get on well with the owner. That would cause serious resentment in a typical company but in a football club that should listen to its fanbase? Deflect matters all you like Katrien but you do not have the experience to run Charlton. She'll be able to take a lot more photos against Ipswich then?2
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not read everything etc, but was Jackson really there?0
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Of Course, along with other senior members of staff and club employees in the audience. Saving money on the xmas party by holding it on a Tuesday night in November.Elthamaddick said:not read everything etc, but was Jackson really there?
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I can't believe that after following Charlton through thick and very thin at Selhurst and Upton Park, I now have little desire to go to The Valley.6
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shame the anger wasn't there like this when we dropped from prem to lge1 and good people lost jobs, businesses had to chase money
Funny old game as a great player once said7 -
Waiting for the video I suppose. Mainly because those who were there are offering a different versión from what the updates suggested last night. However, in the cold light of the morning, much of what she said seems like rubbish (the managers are getting better, the wage Budget up 40%, the 'real' fans should not let the minority protest like they did etc etc) and I can't imagine the context that would make them plausible.
Frankly, the club are running an interference operation to bank down the fires of protest. Three points against the Wendies may well help, but the impression gained is that we are where we were in february, and any changes will be cosmetic. And the interim appointment of Karel, who will recieve all the help the club can manage? Does'nt sound like it was very interim to me. Another lie to keep with the others.
Being anti-Belgian won't help, and screaming abuse will be turned against us. But their lies and deceit are equally abhorrent. It takes a real (wo)man to admit to a mistake. No sign of that last night.4 -
She often wears black and white, so I don't think this has any relevance.Charltonparklane said:Having not seen clear photo of the night and may have already been mentioned but was she wearing black and white?
Think she's trying to take the piss a bit if so.0 -
That was meant as a clarification, not saying you did say that.CharltonToddler said:
I never said he was the one that called the fans behaviour disgusting, I couldn't care less if they called us what ever they want. What I am saying is it stinks of people rolling over and buying this shite, apologising. I will wait and watch the video in full and see if I'm overreacting, but I just find it embarrassing, if she can't take the flak don't do the job. I don't get someone apoligising to me at work when I get stick for some work. What's different here ?PaddyP17 said:
Just to clarify, I am calling you a prize twat. While my dad might be one sometimes, in this instance please rest assured that I am referring solely to you.CharltonToddler said:
Am I a prize twat though? I am thinking the same.PaddyP17 said:
Ah, another prize twat eh.CharltonToddler said:Why would you apologise Jesus Christ we have some utter stains in our support, between the board they are killing this club and your more worried about saying how sorry you are. Fuck that bollocks why didn't you ask the regime hard questions, why wasn't Roland at this meeting for example ? What are you going to
Learn from our terrible attendances and non existent feeling around the club ? Instead you bowed down and said your sorry
Im actually embarrassed for you.
No wonder they are taking the piss out of us fans she will be at home now saying don't worry Roland there all apologetic and will tow the line from now on.
I hope a group takes this by the scruff of the neck now and pulls people together for mass protests, mass boycotts of products, causes embbaresment for the board at the live game. Do whatever we can as fans to drive these divs out of our club.
Cringeworthy
- He apologised because she shouldn't have to be personally abused. Yes, fine, ask her what the fuck she's doing, but personal stuff isn't okay (regardless of gender - I'm unhappy she played the gender card btw)
- "Why didn't you ask the regime hard questions?" Er, well, a good few WERE asked, but you'll need to wait for the film to verify. The questions asked were organised by various bodies present at the event. Katrien was surprised at how organised the fans were, and that @rikofold was taking a lead on behalf of many.
- Asking questions like "where's Roland" they would have prepared for. There was a whole series of questions on supporter disconnect.
- She won't be saying that to Roland, especially because of the Twitter shitstorm. And protests will of course continue.
- How about reading Seth's whole post again, and not fixating on the "apology" bit?
To clarify, he wasn't the one who said the fans' behaviour was "disgusting".
You know Seth, I'm sure. He's hardly the type to roll over. When it comes to being given stick, again - it's the nature of the comments directed at her. I was at the protest but stuff I couldn't stand was calling her a horse-face, the board being told to fuck off back to Belgium, and other more personal stuff.
Fair play as to what you said re you and Seth having different outlooks though, that I can go with.0 -
Yh, when the youtube video comes out you can hear about his goal.Elthamaddick said:not read everything etc, but was Jackson really there?
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None of us are....cafc999 said:
I too support Karel but katrien is not as innocent as she appears.scabbyhorse said:
She just gets told what to do, its not her money. Karel will be manager and i will give him my support until i see otherwise.cafc999 said:
People are fed up because she keeps telling lies.scabbyhorse said:
Wether you like it or not the majority of fans are only angry because of our recent results and the lack of money what they think should be invested in the first team.Chrissy\\\'s Army!! said:
Fuck sake. That statement makes me angrier than I've been throughout her entire reign here. What a piece of work she is!Callumcafc said:
Can i also point out that the majority of our fan base do not even use or read CL or ITTV so that would make us the minority.
If carol wins the next 6 games on the trot ( doubtful i know ) then that gathering on saturday will then become one man and his dog.
Lastly what the fuck did you expect her to say? Because whatever she said was always going to be shot down in flames and no i am not defending her or Roly but until someone can find a buyer who is prepared to lose 7 million a year..............
Let's be honest, do you not think that Karel is not going to be the next permanent manager..??
Some of the spin on spouted out tonight is embarrassing to say at least0 -
For the fact that she is a woman and it's rare for a woman of her calibre to be doing this job, especially one that isn't really at all qualified for it.
She really isn't doing her gender proud (not to say other women couldn't do it or do it better)
She has and is trying to use the fact that she is a women, in this situation, to her advantage.
Ok, you might be able to turn a few heads as and when and nothing wrong with that, if that helps you out every now and again and that alone might get more people naturally on your side even throughout a time when you don't know what the hell your doing.
You could still easily charm and play the innocent that's had to deal with a load of crap from Charlton fans. It's all one sided as far as she is concerned. She's a victim.
Imagine if we protested against previous owners of the club and Michael Slater came to the window, started laughing and taking pictures...then said we are a disgrace and the positive charlton fans should stand up and unite against such unacceptable behaviour....you can't even imagine
Out of her depth is an absolute understatement. I don't think fellow proud successful professional Karen Brady would see her as a good example of women in football.
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nth london addick said:
shame the anger wasn't there like this when we dropped from prem to lge1 and good people lost jobs, businesses had to chase money
Funny old game as a great player once said
The Murray effect. How could we complain after all the good he did?
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Oh well, she thinks fans wearing it are her supporters then.WestCountryAddick said:
She often wears black and white, so I don't think this has any relevance.Charltonparklane said:Having not seen clear photo of the night and may have already been mentioned but was she wearing black and white?
Think she's trying to take the piss a bit if so.0 -
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OK but how many of us are complicit in running the club into the ground? That's the only important thing here. Whether fans have skeletons in their closets about unrelated matters is a complete irrelevance.Simonsen said:
None of us are....cafc999 said:
I too support Karel but katrien is not as innocent as she appears.scabbyhorse said:
She just gets told what to do, its not her money. Karel will be manager and i will give him my support until i see otherwise.cafc999 said:
People are fed up because she keeps telling lies.scabbyhorse said:
Wether you like it or not the majority of fans are only angry because of our recent results and the lack of money what they think should be invested in the first team.Chrissy\\\'s Army!! said:
Fuck sake. That statement makes me angrier than I've been throughout her entire reign here. What a piece of work she is!Callumcafc said:
Can i also point out that the majority of our fan base do not even use or read CL or ITTV so that would make us the minority.
If carol wins the next 6 games on the trot ( doubtful i know ) then that gathering on saturday will then become one man and his dog.
Lastly what the fuck did you expect her to say? Because whatever she said was always going to be shot down in flames and no i am not defending her or Roly but until someone can find a buyer who is prepared to lose 7 million a year..............
Let's be honest, do you not think that Karel is not going to be the next permanent manager..??
Some of the spin on spouted out tonight is embarrassing to say at least0 -
Such a disappointing cause for the advancement of woman in business and in football particularly.Atletico Addick said:She even pulls out
Who the fk does she think she is?
Appointed by a sexist boss who uses her gender as a shield for his own unaccountability. It's a plan that has bought RD breathing space with the angry male football fan who feels he can't criticise KM or be labelled a misogynist. I like women, I like people, I fucking hate that inept liar Katrien Marie.
KM has sought to make gender an issue where no gender bias exists.
Last night she has directly been quoted as using the Example of fathers and boyfriends as a totally inappropriate, selective and untrue attack on men, who were not the sole attendees on Saturday in the car park.
She puts woman rights back to the dark ages by doing the little schoolgirl act in 2015. Women deserve better representation in British football than this sell-out, IMO
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Unfortunately she can set the agenda with the press by pushing the female angle (and they will lap it up), while footage of protesting fans will always look at a glance predominantly male, even with a decent percentage of women joining in.
It's a shame because I think if she was a bloke there would have been far more vitriol in her direction to date, but despite that the gender card will no doubt be used until she eventually leaves.
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So I'm pretty clear now that from the club's point of view, this is firmly in the 'not' camp given the increased negative response as part of the reporting, so they can put this down as yet another poor decision.AFKABartram said:Can't work out if this is a good move by the club inviting the local press along or not.
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Posted this on the wrong thread and have moved it here.
I am hoping the film of the meeting reflects the reality of it pretty well to those who weren't there.
In a meeting the ebb and flow, the rhythms and context influence the participants. A meeting can become an isolated and heated cockpit which can forget the outside world temporarily. You only need to look at Question Time to realise for that moment the participants get a strange intensity, and for a moment think what they say is overarchingly important and they are changing the world, that of course is until the next week when the programme pitches up in Harrogate or Elgin or wherever.
My point is that you do get caught up in the moment in a meeting, and then it passes.
The advantage of Question Time is we get to see and hear it. We see facial expressions, body language, hear tones of voices, all alongside the content itself.
A lot of people have allowed the reporting of the meeting as it happened over the Internet to make their minds up, and such second hand reportage misses a lot of stuff. I had no idea when in the meeting the degree of passion being aroused by the reporting of it.
Again I would advise those interested to watch the film of it in order to have a more rounded view and to be better informed. However it was a long meeting, so it will take quite a dedicated person to watch it all through.
It will be very easy to criticise those who participated, and personally I accept criticism against my contribution (although I would prefer it to be about whatever I said, the other aspects like my age, hair colour and personal appearance are too easy targets), but I suggest folk try to imagine themselves in the moment in the meeting, and to try to put hindsight to one side when making judgements.
Either way watching it seems wiser than making up your mind based on twits from twitter.6 -
That is very true, RD knew what he was doing in appointing her CEO. Men who are critical will be misogynists, and women like myself, will obviously be jealous of her youth and good looks. Given that the press always pander to an attractive young woman, she can't lose, and we are in a no win situation. Well played RD!LeaburnForEngland said:Unfortunately she can set the agenda with the press by pushing the female angle (and they will lap it up), while footage of protesting fans will always look at a glance predominantly male, even with a decent percentage of women joining in.
It's a shame because I think if she was a bloke there would have been far more vitriol in her direction to date, but despite that the gender card will no doubt be used until she eventually leaves.5 -
I assume she invited the media to prevent the fans putting their take on events into the public domain first - another triumph, Katrien. Can't say that I really agree with the idea that there is any professional calculation in the reporting of three different local media sources. The quotes are the story. They prompted a Twitter and message board shitstorm. They can hardly report the opposite. Until Meire grasps that a majority are unhappy - even though their response varies - she's going to continue digging.se9addick said:
Paper was invited by KM...rikofold said:
Paper wants twitter storm. Paper puts tweets out that will provoke. Paper reports ensuing twitter storm from those relying solely on the tweets. Twitter storm escalates because, well, that's its nature. Job done, angle covered.se9addick said:The big issue for me is that wether the meeting was a success or not doesn't really matter, it's the impression created by the Tweets that the whole thing was a sham that have done the damage. That was certainly my view last night until we heard from the people who were actually there. How many people will actually watch the video ? Not nearly as many as those who have already decided it was nonsense.
If they get the video up in full this morning then I'll try and watch it all and make detailed, objective, notes so that we're better informed. If - as a united supporter base - we're going to base our next course of action on last nights event, let's at least have the full facts first before we do.
As for personal abuse, I doubt if it's worse or even as bad as that directed at Varney and others in the past, which they simply ignored. Making that the issue, as others have said, is just a diversion. It's the facts that will destroy her position.26 -
I thought the journalist in the room did a good job, be it the Shopper, or Brad Pinard who I thought reported the whole thing exceptionally well.
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Seth, seems to me you feel the need to apologise. You've got nothing to apologise for whatsoever so don't overplay it in your mind. None of us were there, so have no clue idea of the context etc.
Personally (never met her, just through observations) I feel she has an angle to always where possible play the victim / focus on the very small percentage. I personally would not want to give her any opportunity to justify / magnify that stance, but that is easier said from a distance. Even so, you are there to give a view, and if that is your view, so be it.
I know how much Charlton means to you and I'm sure you would have gone into the meeting intent on being united as a supporter, so you don't have to defend anything from that viewpoint33
