Hopefully he's just caretaker until we can negotiate Riga's release from Metz.
Let's say you're right and we end up with Riga and Fraeye, the players are happy and we start winning again. What then? Does everyone forget (again) what Roland is doing to the club? All talks of protests get put on hold (again)?
Only thing I'll say in Defence of Karel Fraeye is this...
When Keith Peacock went to the Bromley Addicks meeting a few weeks ago, he mentioned Alan Curbishley starting out as a Manager with Charlton (Now I wasnt there so basing this on what I think someone put about the meeting so correct me if I'm wrong), Peacock said that Curbs wasnt the best Manager when he joined us but he learnt, and he learnt quickly which made him the Legend that he is when he comes to the Valley.
Fraeye... He's briefly been in England before so he sort of knows what to expect from the Championship... Yes he's doing poorly in the Belgian Third Tier but we dont know the calibre of player that he's got at his disposal there at the moment (i.e. You could have put Ferguson and Mourinho in charge of Blackpool last season but they still wouldnt have taken them to the Champions League on that squad).
What would me most about the Fraeye appointment would be his ability in the Transfer Windows (and I dont approve of the Director of Football role, its not the English club way)
To go from 'coaching' these two footballing dynasties to a side in the championship is A JOKE
And the man who was part of management team that saved us from relegation
I've worked with many different management teams over the years (outside of football of course) and the best teams are usually led by the best managers. The rest fall in line and do the jobs they are asked to do and that's all. Many of these people do a great job, but unfortunately, some believe that because they have been part of a successful team, that they are capable of being a successful manager themselves. Often it's the case that these people try to go out on their own and make a success of themselves only to fail every time, because they don't have what it takes.
Karel Fraeye has tried to go out on his own and make his own success, yet he has done NOTHING to prove that he has any of the qualities that are required to make a good number one himself. He has languished in the Belgian third division without achieving anything significant whatsoever, so tell me wise Colin, with that in mind, what qualifications does Fraeye have to convince you that he will be able to turn our season around? If he can't manage a club successfully in what is the equivalent of non-league football, how can he do it in a much tougher division in a country where he has no experience or no real knowledge of how our football works?
It's also worth mentioning that Luzon had a hand in saving us from relegation last season. Look how that turned out. It's completely possible that Riga may have gone the same way as Peeters and Luzon had he been given a full time job. Riga took over when we were in a false position. We were in the relegation places but with what was it five games in hand? I still firmly believe that we would not have been relegated that season even with Powell in charge.
Whilst I liked how Riga operated, I'm not convinced that he would still be our manager now had RD allowed him to continue in the job. Without proper funding going into the first team, we will just keep going from manager to manager until either RD gets fed up with it and sells up and moves on, or he ruins the club completely and has to give the club away because it's completely worthless. People like you are essentially allowing him to that to our club. I hope you are proud of your contribution.
Awaiting the round of 'give the bloke a chance' posts. And so the soap opera continues.
And repeat
The point is AFKA that it's not Fraeye's fault. I can't hold this ridiculous appointment against him personally. He's obviously not equipped to work at this level and everything points to him being hopelessly out of his depth. He obviously wants to progress his career and I don't blame him for wanting to have a go and prove himself. Who wouldn't. My vitriol is now fully directed at Duchatelet who is now showing breathtaking arrogance and proving that we are in fact very much some kind of weird social experiment where decisions are made not from a good business point of view but just to pursue a strange arrogance and stubbornness to accept the facts.
I'm not saying I won't go because I probably will. It's what I do but I'm afraid that I'm now very much in the RD out corner. A complete turn around for me in just a few weeks.
I want and hope Fraeye to defy the odds and be a success but I'm long enough in the tooth to know that these things rarely work out well.
I'm really very pissed off.
It was very clear to those who wanted to see when Chris Powell was sacked that Roland is a nutter. Fair enough that people didn't want to believe it and have given him time to show otherwise or change, but things have played out accordingly. Meire is a ridiculous chief executive who has been cut far too much slack and Fraeye will no doubt go through the same honeymoon period as all RD's other puppets, with fans being urged to give him a chance.
It's as foolish us going round in circles as it is Duchatelet. His ideas will never work and he will kill the club while reasonable people are giving each replacement the benefit of the doubt and hoping for the best. This is a war of attrition and we need to fight it.
I think this is the key point.
We have to realise that we're dealing with our very own Belgian 'Rain Man'. I advise anyone who doubts it to read his interview by a Belgian journalist in the current issue of the Trust News – not for the value of anything he says but for the insight it gives into how his mind works and in particular his view of himself; in his own words he believes himself to be a “visionary” who sees things others can't.
@colin1961 is just a wind up merchant who sits laughing at our reaction to his posts, I would suggest we just forget him. Now onto a more serious discussion, if Fraeye is appointed, do not expect it to be caretaker, we all know that RD will put him in and keep him there saying there was no better option and that he is a trusted personal friend of RD/KM and that it was him and not Riga that really got us playing well a season or so ago. However that leads to questions in my mind, why let him go when Riga left? How can he (Fraeye) be stupid enough to give up, albeit at a very small pub type team, a permanent position for a caretaker one? He has no 'team' as such and we have let all our coaches go and our chief scout is now at Fulham!! What is KM going to say? How many did we interview? Overriding all this is what the hell is RD doing?, he cannot seriously think that this guy will turn it all around, he has already tried 3 of his network, 2 failed miserably (Peeters/Luzon) and Riga (along with Fraeye) was let go. This Belgium is showing contempt for all of us, and I say again (sorry for being boring) how can he think he will get an ROI, when we are in Div 1 with small crowds and 3/4 empty stadium that will see him have to put more of his money into the club. The man should be certified and his other business partners need to be asking questions on his strategy coz as sure as hell I don't understand it!!
Only thing I'll say in Defence of Karel Fraeye is this...
When Keith Peacock went to the Bromley Addicks meeting a few weeks ago, he mentioned Alan Curbishley starting out as a Manager with Charlton (Now I wasnt there so basing this on what I think someone put about the meeting so correct me if I'm wrong), Peacock said that Curbs wasnt the best Manager when he joined us but he learnt, and he learnt quickly which made him the Legend that he is when he comes to the Valley.
Fraeye... He's briefly been in England before so he sort of knows what to expect from the Championship... Yes he's doing poorly in the Belgian Third Tier but we dont know the calibre of player that he's got at his disposal there at the moment (i.e. You could have put Ferguson and Mourinho in charge of Blackpool last season but they still wouldnt have taken them to the Champions League on that squad).
What would me most about the Fraeye appointment would be his ability in the Transfer Windows (and I dont approve of the Director of Football role, its not the English club way)
Difference being that Curbs was trusted to run the club as he saw fit. No manager will be allowed to do that here now.
The club is f***** and its time to find Duchatalet and kick him in the shin... Not to hard, but just enough so he knows ... It's been another complete shambles ... We will be under 10k again soon ... That div of a CEO should now have her trips to the valley made so uncomfortable that she quits and as for the team, well they, like us, have given up ... Relegation looms again and we are also bored it doesn't even hurt properly ... The only answers I have are Joe Pesci style illegal ones ... Appalling state of affairs ... They finally broke it ...
I'm afraid that's enough for me. After Reading, I didn't go to the two 3-0 games and I'm glad I didn't. I'll make use of our season tickets if my son really wants to go, but I won't be renewing next season unless there is a change in owner or a significantly different approach to running the club. I'll also be cancelling my Valley Gold subscription.
I'll be getting my live football fix from Dulwich Hamlet and occasionally Bromley from now on.
Good luck and thank you to those who carry on going, you'll be keeping the club going no doubt. But I'm afraid I no longer have the stomach for it.
A properly organised protest/ boycott needs to happen. The game on TV is perfect. Especially as cameras are outside the game before and I'm sure sky will be lapping up any drama. If it was organised I'd be happy to go down the ground before kick off for some sort of protest then not go into watch. Or even a walkout. There's no better opportunity than a game on sky either.
Please, organise it then, don't just post on here and expect others to organise it.
I have been acting by not going (except one birthday treat!!!!!) more or less since Sheffield United. I have made it known I think those that go are wrong and the constant call for dialogue marks the supporters down as weak. I am of course no where near alone in not going.
But I don't know enough fans to influence and to be honest lots will go whatever ie the "real" fans as they like to call themselves who think supporting the shirt is not supporting RD and KM. The replies to this will show that.
All I think I can do is stay away and try and persuade others to on social media I guess. But it is up to others and their conscience.
The only thing I can draw parallels with is the way the banking system played fast and loose and pushed us into recession. What the fuck is RD doing!!???
Awaiting the round of 'give the bloke a chance' posts. And so the soap opera continues.
And repeat
The point is AFKA that it's not Fraeye's fault. I can't hold this ridiculous appointment against him personally. He's obviously not equipped to work at this level and everything points to him being hopelessly out of his depth. He obviously wants to progress his career and I don't blame him for wanting to have a go and prove himself. Who wouldn't. My vitriol is now fully directed at Duchatelet who is now showing breathtaking arrogance and proving that we are in fact very much some kind of weird social experiment where decisions are made not from a good business point of view but just to pursue a strange arrogance and stubbornness to accept the facts.
I'm not saying I won't go because I probably will. It's what I do but I'm afraid that I'm now very much in the RD out corner. A complete turn around for me in just a few weeks.
I want and hope Fraeye to defy the odds and be a success but I'm long enough in the tooth to know that these things rarely work out well.
I'm really very pissed off.
It was very clear to those who wanted to see when Chris Powell was sacked that Roland is a nutter. Fair enough that people didn't want to believe it and have given him time to show otherwise or change, but things have played out accordingly. Meire is a ridiculous chief executive who has been cut far too much slack and Fraeye will no doubt go through the same honeymoon period as all RD's other puppets, with fans being urged to give him a chance.
It's as foolish us going round in circles as it is Duchatelet. His ideas will never work and he will kill the club while reasonable people are giving each replacement the benefit of the doubt and hoping for the best. This is a war of attrition and we need to fight it.
I think this is the key point.
We have to realise that we're dealing with our very own Belgian 'Rain Man'. I advise anyone who doubts it to read his interview by a Belgian journalist in the current issue of the Trust News – not for the value of anything he says but for the insight it gives into how his mind works and in particular his view of himself; in his own words he believes himself to be a “visionary” who sees things others can't.
In 'Roland World' if his plan is not working then it's the fault of others for not carrying out the plan correctly not Roland's plan.....
Good of him to share ideas he has half-digested and then regurgitated about post-industrial economics and how the internet is changing everything (except when used by the unemployed - that bit of the internet you can safely ignore apparently). We have a certified crank in charge of Charlton ladies and gentlemen. He's Colonel Kurtz up the river in 'Apocalypse Now' - it isn't that his methods are unsound, I don't see any method at all.
If you lose football matches, the crowd goes down any way. That happens by natural selection. The big worry is the young kids of Charlton supporters who end up being West ham, Chelsea fans etc instead. we lost a generation of fans when we were relegated back in the 70's when we left the Valley in the 80's and again in the Noughties, with the double relegation in a few years.
There were people that wanted a boycott and CAFC relegated down to League 2 if it got rid of Duchatelet a year ago. At least we would be at Izale Mcleod level and we could resign him ! Cutting off your nose to spite your face. David Icke an Ex Coventry Keeper and EX BBC man thinks Roland is Barmy.
A boycott No; But we are in that Corridor of uncertainty.
Love,Hate,Apathy,Leave, I'm not talking about Marriage but CAFC.
A visit to Relate is on the cards for RD and CAFC fans. It's good to talk. I don't think RD will turn up thou.
Karel Fraeye 1.25 Malky Mackay 4.00 Tim Sherwood 19.00 Alan Curbishley 21.00 Gus Poyet 21.00 Ian Holloway 21.00 Lee Clark 21.00 Nigel Clough 21.00 Nigel Pearson 21.00 Paolo Di Canio 21.00 Stuart Pearce 21.00 Jason Euell 23.00 Brian McDermott 26.00 Chris Powell 26.00 Gareth Ainsworth 26.00 John Carver 26.00 Juan Muniz 26.00 Paul Dickov 26.00 Paul Jewell 26.00 Paul Lambert 26.00 Sean O'Driscoll 26.00 Uwe Rosler 26.00 Ivan Vukomanovic 29.00 Avram Grant 34.00 Billy Davies 34.00 Dave Jones 34.00 Les Ferdinand 34.00 Paul Ince 34.00 Rob Lee 34.00 Tony Adams 34.00 Derek McInnes 41.00 Alan Pardew 51.00 Brendan Rodgers
Looking at this list on sky bet the ones that would interest me are Lambert and O'Driscoll.
Karel Fraeye 1.25 Malky Mackay 4.00 Tim Sherwood 19.00 Alan Curbishley 21.00 Gus Poyet 21.00 Ian Holloway 21.00 Lee Clark 21.00 Nigel Clough 21.00 Nigel Pearson 21.00 Paolo Di Canio 21.00 Stuart Pearce 21.00 Jason Euell 23.00 Brian McDermott 26.00 Chris Powell 26.00 Gareth Ainsworth 26.00 John Carver 26.00 Juan Muniz 26.00 Paul Dickov 26.00 Paul Jewell 26.00 Paul Lambert 26.00 Sean O'Driscoll 26.00 Uwe Rosler 26.00 Ivan Vukomanovic 29.00 Avram Grant 34.00 Billy Davies 34.00 Dave Jones 34.00 Les Ferdinand 34.00 Paul Ince 34.00 Rob Lee 34.00 Tony Adams 34.00 Derek McInnes 41.00 Alan Pardew 51.00 Brendan Rodgers
Looking at this list on sky bet the ones that would interest me are Lambert and O'Driscoll.
Is this how many games they have got between being appointed and then sacked?
Karel Fraeye 1.25 Malky Mackay 4.00 Tim Sherwood 19.00 Alan Curbishley 21.00 Gus Poyet 21.00 Ian Holloway 21.00 Lee Clark 21.00 Nigel Clough 21.00 Nigel Pearson 21.00 Paolo Di Canio 21.00 Stuart Pearce 21.00 Jason Euell 23.00 Brian McDermott 26.00 Chris Powell 26.00 Gareth Ainsworth 26.00 John Carver 26.00 Juan Muniz 26.00 Paul Dickov 26.00 Paul Jewell 26.00 Paul Lambert 26.00 Sean O'Driscoll 26.00 Uwe Rosler 26.00 Ivan Vukomanovic 29.00 Avram Grant 34.00 Billy Davies 34.00 Dave Jones 34.00 Les Ferdinand 34.00 Paul Ince 34.00 Rob Lee 34.00 Tony Adams 34.00 Derek McInnes 41.00 Alan Pardew 51.00 Brendan Rodgers
Looking at this list on sky bet the ones that would interest me are Lambert and O'Driscoll.
Up until 26.00 I thought that was what hour each applicant was going in for their interview today. Unless RD and KM have reinvented time and there are 51 hours in the day
A properly organised protest/ boycott needs to happen. The game on TV is perfect. Especially as cameras are outside the game before and I'm sure sky will be lapping up any drama. If it was organised I'd be happy to go down the ground before kick off for some sort of protest then not go into watch. Or even a walkout. There's no better opportunity than a game on sky either.
Please, organise it then, don't just post on here and expect others to organise it.
I have been acting by not going (except one birthday treat!!!!!) more or less since Sheffield United. I have made it known I think those that go are wrong and the constant call for dialogue marks the supporters down as weak. I am of course no where near alone in not going.
But I don't know enough fans to influence and to be honest lots will go whatever ie the "real" fans as they like to call themselves who think supporting the shirt is not supporting RD and KM. The replies to this will show that.
All I think I can do is stay away and try and persuade others to on social media I guess. But it is up to others and their conscience.
so Fraeye has gone from big odds on 1/10 is now 2/5 and Malky has come in to 9/4. Still think it will be Fraeye but odds have shortened quite a bit in last couple of hours. (on Sky Bet at 2 pm)
Awaiting the round of 'give the bloke a chance' posts. And so the soap opera continues.
And repeat
The point is AFKA that it's not Fraeye's fault. I can't hold this ridiculous appointment against him personally. He's obviously not equipped to work at this level and everything points to him being hopelessly out of his depth. He obviously wants to progress his career and I don't blame him for wanting to have a go and prove himself. Who wouldn't. My vitriol is now fully directed at Duchatelet who is now showing breathtaking arrogance and proving that we are in fact very much some kind of weird social experiment where decisions are made not from a good business point of view but just to pursue a strange arrogance and stubbornness to accept the facts.
I'm not saying I won't go because I probably will. It's what I do but I'm afraid that I'm now very much in the RD out corner. A complete turn around for me in just a few weeks.
I want and hope Fraeye to defy the odds and be a success but I'm long enough in the tooth to know that these things rarely work out well.
I'm really very pissed off.
It was very clear to those who wanted to see when Chris Powell was sacked that Roland is a nutter. Fair enough that people didn't want to believe it and have given him time to show otherwise or change, but things have played out accordingly. Meire is a ridiculous chief executive who has been cut far too much slack and Fraeye will no doubt go through the same honeymoon period as all RD's other puppets, with fans being urged to give him a chance.
It's as foolish us going round in circles as it is Duchatelet. His ideas will never work and he will kill the club while reasonable people are giving each replacement the benefit of the doubt and hoping for the best. This is a war of attrition and we need to fight it.
I think this is the key point.
We have to realise that we're dealing with our very own Belgian 'Rain Man'. I advise anyone who doubts it to read his interview by a Belgian journalist in the current issue of the Trust News – not for the value of anything he says but for the insight it gives into how his mind works and in particular his view of himself; in his own words he believes himself to be a “visionary” who sees things others can't.
In 'Roland World' if his plan is not working then it's the fault of others for not carrying out the plan correctly not Roland's plan.....
Good of him to share ideas he has half-digested and then regurgitated about post-industrial economics and how the internet is changing everything (except when used by the unemployed - that bit of the internet you can safely ignore apparently). We have a certified crank in charge of Charlton ladies and gentlemen. He's Colonel Kurtz up the river in 'Apocalypse Now' - it isn't that his methods are unsound, I don't see any method at all.
Would that make Katrien the Dennis Hopper character?
"Roland is not crazy. The man is clear in his mind, but his soul is mad."
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That famous British manager Paulo Dicanio
Saracasm - the lowest form of wit!
Anyway would rather have the Italian Paulo DiCanio than Karel Fraeye,
Di Canio showed plenty of passion when he played for us!
When Keith Peacock went to the Bromley Addicks meeting a few weeks ago, he mentioned Alan Curbishley starting out as a Manager with Charlton (Now I wasnt there so basing this on what I think someone put about the meeting so correct me if I'm wrong), Peacock said that Curbs wasnt the best Manager when he joined us but he learnt, and he learnt quickly which made him the Legend that he is when he comes to the Valley.
Fraeye... He's briefly been in England before so he sort of knows what to expect from the Championship... Yes he's doing poorly in the Belgian Third Tier but we dont know the calibre of player that he's got at his disposal there at the moment (i.e. You could have put Ferguson and Mourinho in charge of Blackpool last season but they still wouldnt have taken them to the Champions League on that squad).
What would me most about the Fraeye appointment would be his ability in the Transfer Windows (and I dont approve of the Director of Football role, its not the English club way)
Karel Fraeye has tried to go out on his own and make his own success, yet he has done NOTHING to prove that he has any of the qualities that are required to make a good number one himself. He has languished in the Belgian third division without achieving anything significant whatsoever, so tell me wise Colin, with that in mind, what qualifications does Fraeye have to convince you that he will be able to turn our season around? If he can't manage a club successfully in what is the equivalent of non-league football, how can he do it in a much tougher division in a country where he has no experience or no real knowledge of how our football works?
It's also worth mentioning that Luzon had a hand in saving us from relegation last season. Look how that turned out. It's completely possible that Riga may have gone the same way as Peeters and Luzon had he been given a full time job. Riga took over when we were in a false position. We were in the relegation places but with what was it five games in hand? I still firmly believe that we would not have been relegated that season even with Powell in charge.
Whilst I liked how Riga operated, I'm not convinced that he would still be our manager now had RD allowed him to continue in the job. Without proper funding going into the first team, we will just keep going from manager to manager until either RD gets fed up with it and sells up and moves on, or he ruins the club completely and has to give the club away because it's completely worthless. People like you are essentially allowing him to that to our club. I hope you are proud of your contribution.
We have to realise that we're dealing with our very own Belgian 'Rain Man'. I advise anyone who doubts it to read his interview by a Belgian journalist in the current issue of the Trust News – not for the value of anything he says but for the insight it gives into how his mind works and in particular his view of himself; in his own words he believes himself to be a “visionary” who sees things others can't.
http://issuu.com/castrust/docs/tnt10/15?e=6744795/30366687
In 'Roland World' if his plan is not working then it's the fault of others for not carrying out the plan correctly not Roland's plan.....
Storm the turf in an electric wheelchair
I'll be getting my live football fix from Dulwich Hamlet and occasionally Bromley from now on.
Good luck and thank you to those who carry on going, you'll be keeping the club going no doubt. But I'm afraid I no longer have the stomach for it.
But I don't know enough fans to influence and to be honest lots will go whatever ie the "real" fans as they like to call themselves who think supporting the shirt is not supporting RD and KM. The replies to this will show that.
All I think I can do is stay away and try and persuade others to on social media I guess. But it is up to others and their conscience.
Any other ideas?
I look forward to seeing about 5k attendances at the valley, joke of a club at the moment, we're in big trouble.
If you lose football matches, the crowd goes down any way.
That happens by natural selection.
The big worry is the young kids of Charlton supporters
who end up being West ham, Chelsea fans etc instead.
we lost a generation of fans when we were relegated back in the 70's
when we left the Valley in the 80's and again in the Noughties, with the double relegation in a few years.
There were people that wanted a boycott and CAFC relegated down to League 2 if it got rid of Duchatelet a year ago. At least we would be at Izale Mcleod level and we could resign him !
Cutting off your nose to spite your face.
David Icke an Ex Coventry Keeper and EX BBC man thinks Roland is Barmy.
A boycott No; But we are in that Corridor of uncertainty.
Love,Hate,Apathy,Leave, I'm not talking about Marriage but CAFC.
A visit to Relate is on the cards for RD and CAFC fans.
It's good to talk. I don't think RD will turn up thou.
A Divorce is the only answer.
1.25
Malky Mackay
4.00
Tim Sherwood
19.00
Alan Curbishley
21.00
Gus Poyet
21.00
Ian Holloway
21.00
Lee Clark
21.00
Nigel Clough
21.00
Nigel Pearson
21.00
Paolo Di Canio
21.00
Stuart Pearce
21.00
Jason Euell
23.00
Brian McDermott
26.00
Chris Powell
26.00
Gareth Ainsworth
26.00
John Carver
26.00
Juan Muniz
26.00
Paul Dickov
26.00
Paul Jewell
26.00
Paul Lambert
26.00
Sean O'Driscoll
26.00
Uwe Rosler
26.00
Ivan Vukomanovic
29.00
Avram Grant
34.00
Billy Davies
34.00
Dave Jones
34.00
Les Ferdinand
34.00
Paul Ince
34.00
Rob Lee
34.00
Tony Adams
34.00
Derek McInnes
41.00
Alan Pardew
51.00
Brendan Rodgers
Looking at this list on sky bet the ones that would interest me are Lambert and O'Driscoll.
"Roland is not crazy. The man is clear in his mind, but his soul is mad."