Not for long fanny, I can feel a bit of sunshine and cider taking hold very soon
Plus I think personally Joe gomez has not done anything wrong and has treated us in a respectable way and deserves the chance to become the player that it is obvious to all he will become ,
Poyet walked for very little in fact a negligible amount , jenkinson done a decent thing and didn't go down the tribunal route , Shelvey signed and done the decent thing although I believe the fact we were desperate for cash was shown in the negs and we got less than we should ,
It's obviously not as cut and dry as many reports are saying due to how long it's taking , I wouldn't be surprised if there are several clubs trying to get in on the deal and will be offering all sorts to both Joe and the club to secure his services but ultimately the player will decide on the destination it's down to the club to secure the best amount of money based on joes decision ,
He is a young player with potential to be a super star , but as a defender it's very unlikely that anyone will go to the levels like a Walcott or oxlade chamberlain style fee which some are looking for strikers and attacking players cost more and go for bigger fees than defenders unless you are the best there is and have been for a while
The fact that Delofeu (who i'd rate as one of the better attacking players in the prem and is only 21) is apparently going to Everton for 4 million puts a bit of perspective on this deal. We get 6 mill then we have done extremely well
The fact that Delofeu (who i'd rate as one of the better attacking players in the prem and is only 21) is apparently going to Everton for 4 million puts a bit of perspective on this deal. We get 6 mill then we have done extremely well
Or a quarter of Ross McCormack is another way to view it.
The fact that Delofeu (who i'd rate as one of the better attacking players in the prem and is only 21) is apparently going to Everton for 4 million puts a bit of perspective on this deal. We get 6 mill then we have done extremely well
That deal is like a loan really. Barcelona have first dibs on him and a low-ish buy out clause, hence why Everton are getting him on the cheap. Very similar deal to Morata joining Juventus from Real Madrid.
The fact that Delofeu (who i'd rate as one of the better attacking players in the prem and is only 21) is apparently going to Everton for 4 million puts a bit of perspective on this deal. We get 6 mill then we have done extremely well
That deal is like a loan really. Barcelona have first dibs on him and a low-ish buy out clause, hence why Everton are getting him on the cheap. Very similar deal to Morata joining Juventus from Real Madrid.
They're still getting one of the best players in the Prem for less than we would be selling an (all be it very good) kid with one season under his belt
Not for long fanny, I can feel a bit of sunshine and cider taking hold very soon
Plus I think personally Joe gomez has not done anything wrong and has treated us in a respectable way and deserves the chance to become the player that it is obvious to all he will become ,
Poyet walked for very little in fact a negligible amount , jenkinson done a decent thing and didn't go down the tribunal route , Shelvey signed and done the decent thing although I believe the fact we were desperate for cash was shown in the negs and we got less than we should ,
It's obviously not as cut and dry as many reports are saying due to how long it's taking , I wouldn't be surprised if there are several clubs trying to get in on the deal and will be offering all sorts to both Joe and the club to secure his services but ultimately the player will decide on the destination it's down to the club to secure the best amount of money based on joes decision ,
He is a young player with potential to be a super star , but as a defender it's very unlikely that anyone will go to the levels like a Walcott or oxlade chamberlain style fee which some are looking for strikers and attacking players cost more and go for bigger fees than defenders unless you are the best there is and have been for a while
I understand that you are close to some players, and agents, and so your perspective is always worth thinking about.
However leaving aside whether Joe has done anything wrong (I agree, he hasn't), the broader issue for Charlton is this: if the business strategy is to stay solvent and make progress by bringing on youngsters and then selling them, then clearly we haven't got it right because we are having to let them go too soon, for too little.
to see the truth in that look no further than down the road to Croydon and Wilfried Zaha case. That was masterclass in maximising vale from the strategy, not least because Zaha was loaned back and propelled Palace into the Premiership.
We are not tough enough and we do not seem to have got to grips with the inflation in player values in England due to the absurd distribution of TV money.
And you still have not persuaded me that most agents are anything more than people-traffickers in Armani suits, and from what I have heard that goes for Gomez's agent, so you'll forgive me if I withhold my respect for the 'great job he's done for Joe'. Like all agents he's done great job first and foremost for himself.
My main beef is not so much the size of the fee, even if it is as low as 3.5m, but the complete failure to ensure a loan-back, of the type that Palace negotiated with a richer more powerful club than Liverpool currently is.
It seems mad to:- a sell to a side outside top four (or abroad) b sell in June when end of August could give a 50% premium c sell a year (at least) too early for max return d do business far to early to get an auction going e sell for the reported paultry amounts f get shot of our best player for decades
I hope it is all smoke and mirrors. While knowing nothing about football transfers, I'm sure it would be easy to sell Joe for £10m+
A loan back only benefits cafc it has no value to Joe or Liverpool, it would be a nice clause to have but as development for him I don't see how it is any good , Wilfred Zaha got a loan back and then flopped in the transfer it'self he could not handle being away from his home and family network and ended up back at those stripey mugs on a permanent return
For the player and the other club they need to see if he can cope with moving his whole life away from his comfort zone, I'd expect to see him loaned to a club up nth for a season , he also needs to be able to be coached by different people to see how he adapts ,
What benefit is it to Joe or Liverpool them loaning him back to us and if it's something they don't wish to do should it really block or scupper his opportunity to move
The kid ain't done anything wrong to not be treated fairly, his best pal upped and left without a second glance he could have done the same , there is a very well used phrase on CL and that is move on everyone should do this in this situation
If he goes for anything under the 3.5 mentioned then there's a lot of questions to be asked about the ability of those who are in charge of negotiations as it would be an absolute travesty to let potential walk for anything other than that
It seems mad to:- a sell to a side outside top four (or abroad) b sell in June when end of August could give a 50% premium c sell a year (at least) too early for max return d do business far to early to get an auction going e sell for the reported paultry amounts f get shot of our best player for decades
I hope it is all smoke and mirrors. While knowing nothing about football transfers, I'm sure it would be easy to sell Joe for £10m+
I sympathise with your feelings but how can you be "sure" whilst admitting you know nowt about football transfers?
I'd imagine it's better to sell now so we have a concrete idea of what cash we have to spend on the rest of the squad. Leaving it to last minute would be a hell of a risk. Doubt he'd be at a premium later anyway as he's not sliding straight into their 1st 11 so they have no immediate pressure to buy other than beating other clubs to the signature.
It seems mad to:- a sell to a side outside top four (or abroad) b sell in June when end of August could give a 50% premium c sell a year (at least) too early for max return d do business far to early to get an auction going e sell for the reported paultry amounts f get shot of our best player for decades
I hope it is all smoke and mirrors. While knowing nothing about football transfers, I'm sure it would be easy to sell Joe for £10m+
I sympathise with your feelings but how can you be "sure" whilst admitting you know nowt about football transfers?
I'll compile a YouTube video of his forward runs and send it to Pardew. Game on!
Liverpool will finalise a deal for Charlton teenager Joe Gomez later this week with the starlet scheduled to undergo a medical on Friday.
talkSPORT understands the 18-year-old has turned down the chance to join Arsenal, the club he supports, and Manchester United, along with newly promoted Bournemouth.
The Reds have triggered a £3.5million release clause in the England Under-19 international's contract, which has paved the way for the move to be completed and he will meet with club officials on Merseyside on Friday.
Liverpool are currently in discussions with the Championship club over minor details regarding a sell-on fee, should the defender subsequently leave Anfield in the future, but those talks will not affect the deal going through.
Liverpool will finalise a deal for Charlton teenager Joe Gomez later this week with the starlet scheduled to undergo a medical on Friday.
talkSPORT understands the 18-year-old has turned down the chance to join Arsenal, the club he supports, and Manchester United, along with newly promoted Bournemouth.
The Reds have triggered a £3.5million release clause in the England Under-19 international's contract, which has paved the way for the move to be completed and he will meet with club officials on Merseyside on Friday.
Liverpool are currently in discussions with the Championship club over minor details regarding a sell-on fee, should the defender subsequently leave Anfield in the future, but those talks will not affect the deal going through.
"Talksport understands.." For my sins, I listen to that station on the way to work, with that joker Ian Abrahams, who often comes out with the phrase "my understanding is.." I doubt whether anybody who works on that station has an real connections.
I'm quite surprised Gomez has chosen Liverpool over the other sides. It's not like they have a supreme recent track record of giving young players consistent first team games (Sterling aside).
If this is true, makes you wonder why we bother having a youth set up if it is purely for the benefit of bigger teams!!!! And you wonder why the bigger teams bother having them when all they have to do is nick the best players from the smaller teams!!!
Seems strange as a Arsenal fan why he wouldn't choose them. It just shows what we all know, that footballers are not really fans at all? Not that we would be in that situation lacking the talent of course, but a lot of us would choose Charlton over Real Madrid! It shows you how money has ruined the game - we spend a lot of our time and money supporting players who don't give a monkey's about anything other than money. Makes you wonder why you bother sometimes, and sad for the game it used to be.
If this is true, makes you wonder why we bother having a youth set up if it is purely for the benefit of bigger teams!!!! And you wonder why the bigger teams bother having them when all they have to do is nick the best players from the smaller teams!!!
Seems strange as a Arsenal fan why he wouldn't choose them. It just shows what we all know, that footballers are not really fans at all? Not that we would be in that situation lacking the talent of course, but a lot of us would choose Charlton over Real Madrid! It shows you how money has ruined the game - we spend a lot of our time and money supporting players who don't give a monkey's about anything other than money. Makes you wonder why you bother sometimes, and sad for the game it used to be.
Let's not go mad, we're still getting £3.5m which I'm sure would cover the cost of Joe's development. I'm not sure getting the biggest transfer fee we've ever received for a youth product is the time to question whether we should bother to have one or not.
It is premature in that we don't know the sell on clause. But I don't think youth players should have sell on clauses - the game is crazy. Hard to feel too sorry for Liverpool re Stirling as they effectively nicked him from QPR in the first place. I hope he (Stirling) stays with them, plays crap and leaves for nothing.
I think as a Valley gold contributor since it's introduction, I am entitled to be a bit miffed when we don't get full value (in terms of what he should be worth) although I don't blame the club - I blame the game and what it has become.
It seems mad to:- a sell to a side outside top four (or abroad) b sell in June when end of August could give a 50% premium c sell a year (at least) too early for max return d do business far to early to get an auction going e sell for the reported paultry amounts f get shot of our best player for decades
I hope it is all smoke and mirrors. While knowing nothing about football transfers, I'm sure it would be easy to sell Joe for £10m+
Yeah, easy.
Liverpool offered us £11M & we refused, saying we only wanted £3.5M.
There's so much wrong with this post.
a) You think we should only sell to 4 clubs in the world ? b) You want us to sell at the end of the window, so we don't have time to get in any new players ? d) The top clubs have been sniffing around Gomez for years. They haven't just discovered him.
It seems mad to:- a sell to a side outside top four (or abroad) b sell in June when end of August could give a 50% premium c sell a year (at least) too early for max return d do business far to early to get an auction going e sell for the reported paultry amounts f get shot of our best player for decades
I hope it is all smoke and mirrors. While knowing nothing about football transfers, I'm sure it would be easy to sell Joe for £10m+
I sympathise with your feelings but how can you be "sure" whilst admitting you know nowt about football transfers?
I'll compile a YouTube video of his forward runs and send it to Pardew. Game on!
Why is undisclosed such an issue, if we are in need of replacing gomez surely it's better people don't know what we have to spend,
We have a youth system for this exact reason, create them and bed them in hopefully win promotion if we can get a good crop come through at the same time without spending money the club can't support without the owner funding out of his own pocket and to generate funds to build a squad to supplement any youth coming through
Why is undisclosed such an issue, if we are in need of replacing gomez surely it's better people don't know what we have to spend,
We have a youth system for this exact reason, create them and bed them in hopefully win promotion if we can get a good crop come through at the same time without spending money the club can't support without the owner funding out of his own pocket and to generate funds to build a squad to supplement any youth coming through
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Plus I think personally Joe gomez has not done anything wrong and has treated us in a respectable way and deserves the chance to become the player that it is obvious to all he will become ,
Poyet walked for very little in fact a negligible amount , jenkinson done a decent thing and didn't go down the tribunal route , Shelvey signed and done the decent thing although I believe the fact we were desperate for cash was shown in the negs and we got less than we should ,
It's obviously not as cut and dry as many reports are saying due to how long it's taking , I wouldn't be surprised if there are several clubs trying to get in on the deal and will be offering all sorts to both Joe and the club to secure his services but ultimately the player will decide on the destination it's down to the club to secure the best amount of money based on joes decision ,
He is a young player with potential to be a super star , but as a defender it's very unlikely that anyone will go to the levels like a Walcott or oxlade chamberlain style fee which some are looking for strikers and attacking players cost more and go for bigger fees than defenders unless you are the best there is and have been for a while
However leaving aside whether Joe has done anything wrong (I agree, he hasn't), the broader issue for Charlton is this: if the business strategy is to stay solvent and make progress by bringing on youngsters and then selling them, then clearly we haven't got it right because we are having to let them go too soon, for too little.
to see the truth in that look no further than down the road to Croydon and Wilfried Zaha case. That was masterclass in maximising vale from the strategy, not least because Zaha was loaned back and propelled Palace into the Premiership.
We are not tough enough and we do not seem to have got to grips with the inflation in player values in England due to the absurd distribution of TV money.
And you still have not persuaded me that most agents are anything more than people-traffickers in Armani suits, and from what I have heard that goes for Gomez's agent, so you'll forgive me if I withhold my respect for the 'great job he's done for Joe'. Like all agents he's done great job first and foremost for himself.
My main beef is not so much the size of the fee, even if it is as low as 3.5m, but the complete failure to ensure a loan-back, of the type that Palace negotiated with a richer more powerful club than Liverpool currently is.
a sell to a side outside top four (or abroad)
b sell in June when end of August could give a 50% premium
c sell a year (at least) too early for max return
d do business far to early to get an auction going
e sell for the reported paultry amounts
f get shot of our best player for decades
I hope it is all smoke and mirrors. While knowing nothing about football transfers, I'm sure it would be easy to sell Joe for £10m+
For the player and the other club they need to see if he can cope with moving his whole life away from his comfort zone, I'd expect to see him loaned to a club up nth for a season , he also needs to be able to be coached by different people to see how he adapts ,
What benefit is it to Joe or Liverpool them loaning him back to us and if it's something they don't wish to do should it really block or scupper his opportunity to move
The kid ain't done anything wrong to not be treated fairly, his best pal upped and left without a second glance he could have done the same , there is a very well used phrase on CL and that is move on everyone should do this in this situation
If he goes for anything under the 3.5 mentioned then there's a lot of questions to be asked about the ability of those who are in charge of negotiations as it would be an absolute travesty to let potential walk for anything other than that
talkSPORT understands the 18-year-old has turned down the chance to join Arsenal, the club he supports, and Manchester United, along with newly promoted Bournemouth.
The Reds have triggered a £3.5million release clause in the England Under-19 international's contract, which has paved the way for the move to be completed and he will meet with club officials on Merseyside on Friday.
Liverpool are currently in discussions with the Championship club over minor details regarding a sell-on fee, should the defender subsequently leave Anfield in the future, but those talks will not affect the deal going through.
I'm quite surprised Gomez has chosen Liverpool over the other sides. It's not like they have a supreme recent track record of giving young players consistent first team games (Sterling aside).
Seems strange as a Arsenal fan why he wouldn't choose them. It just shows what we all know, that footballers are not really fans at all? Not that we would be in that situation lacking the talent of course, but a lot of us would choose Charlton over Real Madrid! It shows you how money has ruined the game - we spend a lot of our time and money supporting players who don't give a monkey's about anything other than money. Makes you wonder why you bother sometimes, and sad for the game it used to be.
I think as a Valley gold contributor since it's introduction, I am entitled to be a bit miffed when we don't get full value (in terms of what he should be worth) although I don't blame the club - I blame the game and what it has become.
Liverpool offered us £11M & we refused, saying we only wanted £3.5M.
There's so much wrong with this post.
a) You think we should only sell to 4 clubs in the world ?
b) You want us to sell at the end of the window, so we don't have time to get in any new players ?
d) The top clubs have been sniffing around Gomez for years. They haven't just discovered him.
I give up.
We have a youth system for this exact reason, create them and bed them in hopefully win promotion if we can get a good crop come through at the same time without spending money the club can't support without the owner funding out of his own pocket and to generate funds to build a squad to supplement any youth coming through