All seductive arguments that any Charlton supporter with an ounce of optimism would wish to be true. All arguments I previuosly believed, all arguments I argued with passion and all utterly wrong.
Let us not delude ourselves that, inspite of yesterday's win, the fundamentals of the situation are the same. This is a man with only a vague (and flawed) master plan but bags of confidence in it. He has built up a disperate rag- tag of teams with apparently little interest in the clubs, football or fans.
Can there be a more dramatic illustration of the appalling lack of strategy, or care than our last year? We along with his staff, mangers and players have been lied to, manipulated and treated with utter contempt. This in precisely the sort of message we received from other clubs fans (which I chose to ignore). There is at least consistency in these elements of RD's behaviuor.
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour; This club was, is, and will be in grave peril all the time RD owns us, or has an epiphany unique in his ten plus years of club ownership.
I am certainly wavering in my so far conditional support of RD because of what is articulated in IA's post. It's clear something is not right or is it because it's just not the norm and is an attempt by RD to do things differently to the basket case business that football has become. I'm still not convinced it's such a terrible idea but equally unsure it can work it the current football climate if at all. I still maintain that we are at this point better off with Roland than when before he arrived both on and off the field.
Franck - I bet you couldn't wait for our long awaited win to post that could you.
I think you will find that I have been consistent with my thoughts throughout the 3 months without a win. You could also say that other's are disappointed that we won, so to continue the RD witchhunt
Great team performance yesterday with 8 players brought in by RD and with a new manager. If Luzon turns out to the manager RD thinks he is and we carry on playing this way job done. I have no interest what goes on behind the scenes just what happens on the pitch. IF we have turned the corner and RD has now got to grip with what the Championship is all about then there is a lot to look forward to. We have to wait and see
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Haha aren't you the bloke that wants us to go down???
Its not just how the club is being run but also how the club is seen to be run. Maybe if RD or even Katrien explained things a little better (maybe if they told us this was the plan) and showed an ounce of respect to the club and the fans. Because of the lack of communication all we have to go on is 4 managers in a year, a lot of unsuccessful network rejects and lies from the board.
I would argue there was just as many successful network 'triumphs'
You can't really argue with your timeline...but nor can you with "We along with his staff, managers and players have been lied to, manipulated and treated with utter contempt. I would also love RD's "plan" to work, but at what cost/ Are we all plastics now? No! We have followed this club of ours (yes, ours!) for many years and do not want it to be a plaything for anyone. It has to be the heart and soul of the community, for the fans, by the fans. We have had a vision previously, now we just want it back again. RD's and KM's like it or lump it plea is a failure to recognise what makes Charlton special.
We were all excited when we were linked with the rich Yank - we would have been his 'plaything'. I prefer that RD is trying to do it the 'Right way'. The like it or lump it, was admittedly an error in judgement on the club's part which could have been handled differently.
Could you elaborate on the staff, managers and players being lied to, manipulated and treated with contempt?
Would you call leaving us with just 3 senior strikers (one of which is Church) doing it "the right way"? A year after Kermorgant left we still haven't replaced him, and in January we let Tucudean go out on loan without bringing in a replacement. Watt did come in but we needed another striker before we let anyone go.
If we manage to stay up are you confident enough in RD that we won't be in the same position in a years time, battling relegation with a small and incomplete squad? Signings don't have to be £5m players, I can't believe there's not even a young affordable striker out there we could have taken on loan just to give us another option.
3 senior strikers is a little short, I agree. Although GT was getting pelters on here so we may as well have let him go as he was never going to get a chance. We have the loan window to make up numbers. I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they want the right player at the right price.
KAG makes it 4 recognised strikers and JP could be recalled if required
Wouldn't call any tiumphs. Some better than others yes.
Ok then, by that way of thinking, I wouldn't call them unsuccessful as per your original post, just 'some not as good as others'
Unsuccessful isn't the opposite of triumph.
Ok, I concede triumph may have been over egging it. The sentiment is the same though - There have been as many successful 'rejects' as there has unsuccessful ones
Great team performance yesterday with 8 players brought in by RD and with a new manager. If Luzon turns out to the manager RD thinks he is and we carry on playing this way job done. I have no interest what goes on behind the scenes just what happens on the pitch. IF we have turned the corner and RD has now got to grip with what the Championship is all about then there is a lot to look forward to. We have to wait and see
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Haha aren't you the bloke that wants us to go down???
Yes cos at moment see that as best way for their to be a charlton without Duchatalet.
Pre-win, there were lots of new threads started on how people have given up, how they're never going to The Valley again, how RD is the devil himself....had I have made the above points, the negativity would have consumed them.
Now, I know that 1 win means absolutely nothing....but will happy repost the above in 10 games time, regardless of opposition / result
Its not just how the club is being run but also how the club is seen to be run. Maybe if RD or even Katrien explained things a little better (maybe if they told us this was the plan) and showed an ounce of respect to the club and the fans. Because of the lack of communication all we have to go on is 4 managers in a year, a lot of unsuccessful network rejects and lies from the board.
I would argue there was just as many successful network 'triumphs'
You can't really argue with your timeline...but nor can you with "We along with his staff, managers and players have been lied to, manipulated and treated with utter contempt. I would also love RD's "plan" to work, but at what cost/ Are we all plastics now? No! We have followed this club of ours (yes, ours!) for many years and do not want it to be a plaything for anyone. It has to be the heart and soul of the community, for the fans, by the fans. We have had a vision previously, now we just want it back again. RD's and KM's like it or lump it plea is a failure to recognise what makes Charlton special.
We were all excited when we were linked with the rich Yank - we would have been his 'plaything'. I prefer that RD is trying to do it the 'Right way'. The like it or lump it, was admittedly an error in judgement on the club's part which could have been handled differently.
Could you elaborate on the staff, managers and players being lied to, manipulated and treated with contempt?
Would you call leaving us with just 3 senior strikers (one of which is Church) doing it "the right way"? A year after Kermorgant left we still haven't replaced him, and in January we let Tucudean go out on loan without bringing in a replacement. Watt did come in but we needed another striker before we let anyone go.
If we manage to stay up are you confident enough in RD that we won't be in the same position in a years time, battling relegation with a small and incomplete squad? Signings don't have to be £5m players, I can't believe there's not even a young affordable striker out there we could have taken on loan just to give us another option.
3 senior strikers is a little short, I agree. Although GT was getting pelters on here so we may as well have let him go as he was never going to get a chance. We have the loan window to make up numbers. I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they want the right player at the right price.
KAG makes it 4 recognised strikers and JP could be recalled if required
And what about next season? If we continue as we have done do you see us doing anything more than fighting relegation every year?
Its not just how the club is being run but also how the club is seen to be run. Maybe if RD or even Katrien explained things a little better (maybe if they told us this was the plan) and showed an ounce of respect to the club and the fans. Because of the lack of communication all we have to go on is 4 managers in a year, a lot of unsuccessful network rejects and lies from the board.
I would argue there was just as many successful network 'triumphs'
You can't really argue with your timeline...but nor can you with "We along with his staff, managers and players have been lied to, manipulated and treated with utter contempt. I would also love RD's "plan" to work, but at what cost/ Are we all plastics now? No! We have followed this club of ours (yes, ours!) for many years and do not want it to be a plaything for anyone. It has to be the heart and soul of the community, for the fans, by the fans. We have had a vision previously, now we just want it back again. RD's and KM's like it or lump it plea is a failure to recognise what makes Charlton special.
We were all excited when we were linked with the rich Yank - we would have been his 'plaything'. I prefer that RD is trying to do it the 'Right way'. The like it or lump it, was admittedly an error in judgement on the club's part which could have been handled differently.
Could you elaborate on the staff, managers and players being lied to, manipulated and treated with contempt?
Would you call leaving us with just 3 senior strikers (one of which is Church) doing it "the right way"? A year after Kermorgant left we still haven't replaced him, and in January we let Tucudean go out on loan without bringing in a replacement. Watt did come in but we needed another striker before we let anyone go.
If we manage to stay up are you confident enough in RD that we won't be in the same position in a years time, battling relegation with a small and incomplete squad? Signings don't have to be £5m players, I can't believe there's not even a young affordable striker out there we could have taken on loan just to give us another option.
3 senior strikers is a little short, I agree. Although GT was getting pelters on here so we may as well have let him go as he was never going to get a chance. We have the loan window to make up numbers. I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they want the right player at the right price.
KAG makes it 4 recognised strikers and JP could be recalled if required
And what about next season? If we continue as we have done do you see us doing anything more than fighting relegation every year?
Next season we add another 1 / 2 / 3 players from outside the network, and a further 1 / 2 / 3 from within it.....suddenly we have 11 players that are a strong Championship side
Its not just how the club is being run but also how the club is seen to be run. Maybe if RD or even Katrien explained things a little better (maybe if they told us this was the plan) and showed an ounce of respect to the club and the fans. Because of the lack of communication all we have to go on is 4 managers in a year, a lot of unsuccessful network rejects and lies from the board.
I would argue there was just as many successful network 'triumphs'
You can't really argue with your timeline...but nor can you with "We along with his staff, managers and players have been lied to, manipulated and treated with utter contempt. I would also love RD's "plan" to work, but at what cost/ Are we all plastics now? No! We have followed this club of ours (yes, ours!) for many years and do not want it to be a plaything for anyone. It has to be the heart and soul of the community, for the fans, by the fans. We have had a vision previously, now we just want it back again. RD's and KM's like it or lump it plea is a failure to recognise what makes Charlton special.
We were all excited when we were linked with the rich Yank - we would have been his 'plaything'. I prefer that RD is trying to do it the 'Right way'. The like it or lump it, was admittedly an error in judgement on the club's part which could have been handled differently.
Could you elaborate on the staff, managers and players being lied to, manipulated and treated with contempt?
Would you call leaving us with just 3 senior strikers (one of which is Church) doing it "the right way"? A year after Kermorgant left we still haven't replaced him, and in January we let Tucudean go out on loan without bringing in a replacement. Watt did come in but we needed another striker before we let anyone go.
If we manage to stay up are you confident enough in RD that we won't be in the same position in a years time, battling relegation with a small and incomplete squad? Signings don't have to be £5m players, I can't believe there's not even a young affordable striker out there we could have taken on loan just to give us another option.
3 senior strikers is a little short, I agree. Although GT was getting pelters on here so we may as well have let him go as he was never going to get a chance. We have the loan window to make up numbers. I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they want the right player at the right price.
KAG makes it 4 recognised strikers and JP could be recalled if required
Wouldn't call any tiumphs. Some better than others yes.
Ok then, by that way of thinking, I wouldn't call them unsuccessful as per your original post, just 'some not as good as others'
Ahahahaha. And we don't lose matches, we just have a 'less profitable success ratio over 90 minutes'.
Its not just how the club is being run but also how the club is seen to be run. Maybe if RD or even Katrien explained things a little better (maybe if they told us this was the plan) and showed an ounce of respect to the club and the fans. Because of the lack of communication all we have to go on is 4 managers in a year, a lot of unsuccessful network rejects and lies from the board.
I would argue there was just as many successful network 'triumphs'
You can't really argue with your timeline...but nor can you with "We along with his staff, managers and players have been lied to, manipulated and treated with utter contempt. I would also love RD's "plan" to work, but at what cost/ Are we all plastics now? No! We have followed this club of ours (yes, ours!) for many years and do not want it to be a plaything for anyone. It has to be the heart and soul of the community, for the fans, by the fans. We have had a vision previously, now we just want it back again. RD's and KM's like it or lump it plea is a failure to recognise what makes Charlton special.
We were all excited when we were linked with the rich Yank - we would have been his 'plaything'. I prefer that RD is trying to do it the 'Right way'. The like it or lump it, was admittedly an error in judgement on the club's part which could have been handled differently.
Could you elaborate on the staff, managers and players being lied to, manipulated and treated with contempt?
Would you call leaving us with just 3 senior strikers (one of which is Church) doing it "the right way"? A year after Kermorgant left we still haven't replaced him, and in January we let Tucudean go out on loan without bringing in a replacement. Watt did come in but we needed another striker before we let anyone go.
If we manage to stay up are you confident enough in RD that we won't be in the same position in a years time, battling relegation with a small and incomplete squad? Signings don't have to be £5m players, I can't believe there's not even a young affordable striker out there we could have taken on loan just to give us another option.
3 senior strikers is a little short, I agree. Although GT was getting pelters on here so we may as well have let him go as he was never going to get a chance. We have the loan window to make up numbers. I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they want the right player at the right price.
KAG makes it 4 recognised strikers and JP could be recalled if required
And what about next season? If we continue as we have done do you see us doing anything more than fighting relegation every year?
Next season we add another 1 / 2 / 3 players from outside the network, and a further 1 / 2 / 3 from within it.....suddenly we have 11 players that are a strong Championship side
Its not just how the club is being run but also how the club is seen to be run. Maybe if RD or even Katrien explained things a little better (maybe if they told us this was the plan) and showed an ounce of respect to the club and the fans. Because of the lack of communication all we have to go on is 4 managers in a year, a lot of unsuccessful network rejects and lies from the board.
I would argue there was just as many successful network 'triumphs'
You can't really argue with your timeline...but nor can you with "We along with his staff, managers and players have been lied to, manipulated and treated with utter contempt. I would also love RD's "plan" to work, but at what cost/ Are we all plastics now? No! We have followed this club of ours (yes, ours!) for many years and do not want it to be a plaything for anyone. It has to be the heart and soul of the community, for the fans, by the fans. We have had a vision previously, now we just want it back again. RD's and KM's like it or lump it plea is a failure to recognise what makes Charlton special.
We were all excited when we were linked with the rich Yank - we would have been his 'plaything'. I prefer that RD is trying to do it the 'Right way'. The like it or lump it, was admittedly an error in judgement on the club's part which could have been handled differently.
Could you elaborate on the staff, managers and players being lied to, manipulated and treated with contempt?
Would you call leaving us with just 3 senior strikers (one of which is Church) doing it "the right way"? A year after Kermorgant left we still haven't replaced him, and in January we let Tucudean go out on loan without bringing in a replacement. Watt did come in but we needed another striker before we let anyone go.
If we manage to stay up are you confident enough in RD that we won't be in the same position in a years time, battling relegation with a small and incomplete squad? Signings don't have to be £5m players, I can't believe there's not even a young affordable striker out there we could have taken on loan just to give us another option.
3 senior strikers is a little short, I agree. Although GT was getting pelters on here so we may as well have let him go as he was never going to get a chance. We have the loan window to make up numbers. I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they want the right player at the right price.
KAG makes it 4 recognised strikers and JP could be recalled if required
And what about next season? If we continue as we have done do you see us doing anything more than fighting relegation every year?
Next season we add another 1 / 2 / 3 players from outside the network, and a further 1 / 2 / 3 from within it.....suddenly we have 11 players that are a strong Championship side
Its not just how the club is being run but also how the club is seen to be run. Maybe if RD or even Katrien explained things a little better (maybe if they told us this was the plan) and showed an ounce of respect to the club and the fans. Because of the lack of communication all we have to go on is 4 managers in a year, a lot of unsuccessful network rejects and lies from the board.
I would argue there was just as many successful network 'triumphs'
You can't really argue with your timeline...but nor can you with "We along with his staff, managers and players have been lied to, manipulated and treated with utter contempt. I would also love RD's "plan" to work, but at what cost/ Are we all plastics now? No! We have followed this club of ours (yes, ours!) for many years and do not want it to be a plaything for anyone. It has to be the heart and soul of the community, for the fans, by the fans. We have had a vision previously, now we just want it back again. RD's and KM's like it or lump it plea is a failure to recognise what makes Charlton special.
We were all excited when we were linked with the rich Yank - we would have been his 'plaything'. I prefer that RD is trying to do it the 'Right way'. The like it or lump it, was admittedly an error in judgement on the club's part which could have been handled differently.
Could you elaborate on the staff, managers and players being lied to, manipulated and treated with contempt?
Would you call leaving us with just 3 senior strikers (one of which is Church) doing it "the right way"? A year after Kermorgant left we still haven't replaced him, and in January we let Tucudean go out on loan without bringing in a replacement. Watt did come in but we needed another striker before we let anyone go.
If we manage to stay up are you confident enough in RD that we won't be in the same position in a years time, battling relegation with a small and incomplete squad? Signings don't have to be £5m players, I can't believe there's not even a young affordable striker out there we could have taken on loan just to give us another option.
3 senior strikers is a little short, I agree. Although GT was getting pelters on here so we may as well have let him go as he was never going to get a chance. We have the loan window to make up numbers. I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they want the right player at the right price.
KAG makes it 4 recognised strikers and JP could be recalled if required
Wouldn't call any tiumphs. Some better than others yes.
Ok then, by that way of thinking, I wouldn't call them unsuccessful as per your original post, just 'some not as good as others'
Ahahahaha. And we don't lose matches, we just have a 'less profitable success ratio over 90 minutes'.
It worked for Huddersfield!
My point being, those people in panic mode are saying that the players from the Network aren't up to it. I am saying that some are
Its not just how the club is being run but also how the club is seen to be run. Maybe if RD or even Katrien explained things a little better (maybe if they told us this was the plan) and showed an ounce of respect to the club and the fans. Because of the lack of communication all we have to go on is 4 managers in a year, a lot of unsuccessful network rejects and lies from the board.
I would argue there was just as many successful network 'triumphs'
You can't really argue with your timeline...but nor can you with "We along with his staff, managers and players have been lied to, manipulated and treated with utter contempt. I would also love RD's "plan" to work, but at what cost/ Are we all plastics now? No! We have followed this club of ours (yes, ours!) for many years and do not want it to be a plaything for anyone. It has to be the heart and soul of the community, for the fans, by the fans. We have had a vision previously, now we just want it back again. RD's and KM's like it or lump it plea is a failure to recognise what makes Charlton special.
We were all excited when we were linked with the rich Yank - we would have been his 'plaything'. I prefer that RD is trying to do it the 'Right way'. The like it or lump it, was admittedly an error in judgement on the club's part which could have been handled differently.
Could you elaborate on the staff, managers and players being lied to, manipulated and treated with contempt?
Would you call leaving us with just 3 senior strikers (one of which is Church) doing it "the right way"? A year after Kermorgant left we still haven't replaced him, and in January we let Tucudean go out on loan without bringing in a replacement. Watt did come in but we needed another striker before we let anyone go.
If we manage to stay up are you confident enough in RD that we won't be in the same position in a years time, battling relegation with a small and incomplete squad? Signings don't have to be £5m players, I can't believe there's not even a young affordable striker out there we could have taken on loan just to give us another option.
3 senior strikers is a little short, I agree. Although GT was getting pelters on here so we may as well have let him go as he was never going to get a chance. We have the loan window to make up numbers. I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they want the right player at the right price.
KAG makes it 4 recognised strikers and JP could be recalled if required
And what about next season? If we continue as we have done do you see us doing anything more than fighting relegation every year?
Next season we add another 1 / 2 / 3 players from outside the network, and a further 1 / 2 / 3 from within it.....suddenly we have 11 players that are a strong Championship side
Comments such as adding 6 other (quality) players on evidence of activity in the Duchatelet transfer windows so far is just wishful thinking and deflection, with little to support it.
Similarly, I would like to win the Euro Millions lottery, but I'd be best off not planning too much on that, given the £2.70 and £3.30 wins I have had so far.
To Be Franck has written a reasonable opening post. I would also like to engage with some kind of Orwellian double think and believe we are headed towards very sunny uplands. I don't agree with the opening post, I feel battered and bewildered, dazed and confused by events since the takeover, and any part of me that can apply reason, logic, and thinking peppered with a bit of creativity still believes we are are kind of lost as a club. Yet even now a small part of me still wants to think it's going to all be OK. Maybe it's only like trying to get used to a reincarnation of the latest Doctor Who, but even living through seven different regimes at Charlton this time it feels really different. The only time I have felt this bleak was when we were kicked out of the Valley to Selhurst Park, and the link I make is that at that time there was even talk of a merger with Crystal Palace!!! The whole vibe reminds me of those very dark days. Maybe, just maybe it's going to all be OK in the morning, but for me yesterday was a blessed relief of a win as much as anything, but I was also there on Tuesday which was basically torture to the soul.
Great team performance yesterday with 8 players brought in by RD and with a new manager. If Luzon turns out to the manager RD thinks he is and we carry on playing this way job done. I have no interest what goes on behind the scenes just what happens on the pitch. IF we have turned the corner and RD has now got to grip with what the Championship is all about then there is a lot to look forward to. We have to wait and see
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One of the reasons why I won't be attending the fans meeting next week is because there are too many people who show nothing but contempt for other Addicks views, if they're not of the sane opinion.
It appears that any kind of positivity towards RD and what he has done or is proposing to do - including acknowledgement of his mistakes - is given short shrift, with the same tired old reasoning that as he sacked CP and got rid of a temperamental Kermorgant and disappointedly sacked Big Bob, he must be a wrong 'un. Obviously this is supported 100% by the views of half a dozen network fans who post on here.
Those that say he knows nothing about football especially make me smile. He has more day to day dealings with the football 'industry' than 99% of the people who post here.
Anyway, when the supporters decide on how they're going to 'deal' with RD and KM or decide exactly how they think our owner should be running the Club, considering the constraints of FFP - other than reducing his income stream - then please let me know and I'll be behind you 100%?
I honestly have no ideas on how to improve the situation, so believe I have nothing to bring to the party, other than show a bit of patience.
Franck. Yes there were a lot of negative posts before the win and yes, as you say, you have picked your moment to post.
But those negative (I prefer to label them as realistic) posts came about after 3 months without a win, a CEO being economical with the truth, the new manager fiasco Etc etc.
They weren't written after 1 defeat. Do you honestly blame fans for being fed up and, more importantly, worried about the club's future ?
Pre-win, there were lots of new threads started on how people have given up, how they're never going to The Valley again, how RD is the devil himself....had I have made the above points, the negativity would have consumed them.
Now, I know that 1 win means absolutely nothing....but will happy repost the above in 10 games time, regardless of opposition / result
No one is calling Duchatelet the devil.
He and the management team are not people who care to share the 'master plan' with the supporters or players. It is not surprising that the evidence of many of the incompetent and ill judged football decisions lead supporters to have a negative view of the future and of Duchatelet's motives. (Supporters may also think that the plan is not being communicated because ultimately, Charlton supporters will not like it or doubt whether it will work). Who's fault is that ? I would say that stems from Duchatelet himself.
Franck. Yes there were a lot of negative posts before the win and yes, as you say, you have picked your moment to post.
But those negative (I prefer to label them as realistic) posts came about after 3 months without a win, a CEO being economical with the truth, the new manager fiasco Etc etc.
They weren't written after 1 defeat. Do you honestly blame fans for being fed up and, more importantly, worried about the club's future ?
I was more concerned about the clubs future under the control of MS and TJ. There was no talk of meetings (at least not to this extent).
I call them negative, you call them realistic - fine...forums are all about opinions. In your opinion, why are my 'positive' points in original post not realistic....many of them, to me, appear factual
To Be Franck has written a reasonable opening post. I would also like to engage with some kind of Orwellian double think and believe we are headed towards very sunny uplands. I don't agree with the opening post, I feel battered and bewildered, dazed and confused by events since the takeover, and any part of me that can apply reason, logic, and thinking peppered with a bit of creativity still believes we are are kind of lost as a club. Yet even now a small part of me still wants to think it's going to all be OK. Maybe it's only like trying to get used to a reincarnation of the latest Doctor Who, but even living through seven different regimes at Charlton this time it feels really different. The only time I have felt this bleak was when we were kicked out of the Valley to Selhurst Park, and the link I make is that at that time there was even talk of a merger with Crystal Palace!!! The whole vibe reminds me of those very dark days. Maybe, just maybe it's going to all be OK in the morning, but for me yesterday was a blessed relief of a win as much as anything, but I was also there on Tuesday which was basically torture to the soul.
Top post Seth, I agree with every sentiment. As for Tuesday – It was a long way back to Norfolk with my Norwich City supporting brother in law. Arriving just after 1.00 a.m. very tired and fed up!!
'Club survives and management admit some network players were not up to standard. (Necessary) improvements made to The Valley'.
When has any of the Duchatelet management admitted that anything they have done has been a mistake ? Necessary improvements made to the pitch and stadium funded by selling the main striker and forward playing midfielder.
You missed out of your list.
- A clearly thin and inadequate squad produced for the demands of a championship season.
Great team performance yesterday with 8 players brought in by RD and with a new manager. If Luzon turns out to the manager RD thinks he is and we carry on playing this way job done. I have no interest what goes on behind the scenes just what happens on the pitch. IF we have turned the corner and RD has now got to grip with what the Championship is all about then there is a lot to look forward to. We have to wait and see
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To be fair @kentred2, you've hardly been prolific yourself with your 380 posts in 6 years
Great team performance yesterday with 8 players brought in by RD and with a new manager. If Luzon turns out to the manager RD thinks he is and we carry on playing this way job done. I have no interest what goes on behind the scenes just what happens on the pitch. IF we have turned the corner and RD has now got to grip with what the Championship is all about then there is a lot to look forward to. We have to wait and see
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To be fair @kentred2, you've hardly been prolific yourself with your 380 posts in 6 years
Maybe we aren't giving RD enough credit. This may be an unpopular post, but worth considering. (before I get pulled up, I realise it is not strictly chronological)
1) RD takes over a financially buggered team which is struggling on the pitch, makes a change in management. 2) RD sells top striker due to age / alleged refusal to play / wage demands and dropping value. 3) RD brings in Network players to help with numbers.
Club survives and management admit some network players were not up to standard. (Necessary) improvements made to The Valley.
4) Players from outside of network brought in to replace those lost Vetokele, Gudmundsson, Bikey, Henderson (YK, Poyet, Dervite & Hamer) Not necessarily like for like replacements, but at least equal in (potential) quality.
5) Higher standard of Network players brought in to compliment 'permanent' squad members - TBH, GT (as you know I feel he was under rated), YB (admittedly fallen in our estimation, but was much admired at beginning of season), TW & FB.
6) GK suffers injury and 1st choice reserve takes a confidence hit. Player signed to replace first 2 keepers not good enough - Decent keeper shipped in from Network to help us through until SH return.
7) No win in 3 months, talk of player / management fallout - manager gets the sack and another one of RD's trusted 'advisors' brought in to settle the situation (as per Riga). 8) New manager gives majority of squad game time over 1st 3 (tough) games.
9) Settled team pick up first win Vs playoff contenders 3 - 0 with the players looking more 'together' than in recent months, and with 11 players playing in their correct positions (the only time this season I have seen this, except 2nd half Vs Norwich (which we won 2-1))
10) GT not quite cutting it in the Championship - shipped out of Network, no doubt with financial gain.
??11) Next summer, more additions from outside of network.??
We all know that RD has a large personal fortune, and would love for him to spend £5m on a player here, £4m on a player there, - but this is unrealistic. I still believe that RD DOES want us to be competitive, and would love for promotion (although this is not the be all and end all).
I still believe that the 'Network' can work, admittedly it would be more successful if the difference in standards between teams were greater.
I am still very much on the fence on this one. MS and TJ were not financially able to do any of the above, yet it is the Belgiums getting stick.
I apologise if I have my rose tinted specs on, or if my head is buried in the sand, but I am still not ready to panic over the future of 'my' Charlton
I don't think you are really apologising for your rose tinted spectacled, head burrowing spin when at the same time you are accusing Charlton supporters with realistic concerns as 'panicing over the future of my charlton'.
The writing is good but blunt, I would guess that your are probably Belgium from the Network.
'Club survives and management admit some network players were not up to standard. (Necessary) improvements made to The Valley'.
When has any of the Duchatelet management admitted that anything they have done has been a mistake ? Necessary improvements made to the pitch and stadium funded by selling the main striker and forward playing midfielder.
You missed out of your list.
- A clearly thin and inadequate squad produced for the demands of a championship season.
Katrien admitted they had got the recruitment wrong, I think it was the tail end of last season but may have been during the summer.
Great team performance yesterday with 8 players brought in by RD and with a new manager. If Luzon turns out to the manager RD thinks he is and we carry on playing this way job done. I have no interest what goes on behind the scenes just what happens on the pitch. IF we have turned the corner and RD has now got to grip with what the Championship is all about then there is a lot to look forward to. We have to wait and see
Another one
One of the reasons why I won't be attending the fans meeting next week is because there are too many people who show nothing but contempt for other Addicks views, if they're not of the sane opinion.
It appears that any kind of positivity towards RD and what he has done or is proposing to do - including acknowledgement of his mistakes - is given short shrift, with the same tired old reasoning that as he sacked CP and got rid of a temperamental Kermorgant and disappointedly sacked Big Bob, he must be a wrong 'un. Obviously this is supported 100% by the views of half a dozen network fans who post on here.
Those that say he knows nothing about football especially make me smile. He has more day to day dealings with the football 'industry' than 99% of the people who post here.
Anyway, when the supporters decide on how they're going to 'deal' with RD and KM or decide exactly how they think our owner should be running the Club, considering the constraints of FFP - other than reducing his income stream - then please let me know and I'll be behind you 100%?
I honestly have no ideas on how to improve the situation, so believe I have nothing to bring to the party, other than show a bit of patience.
Excellent response mate, represents exactly how I feel myself.
I've had a few spats on here over the last few weeks with so called supporters like Kentred trying to put down the people that hold views similar to you and I.
Frank, well done for creating this thread and standing up for what you believe. It's not all about wearing rose tinted specs, its just that a lot of fans do not believe that the situation is as bad as some would like you to think they are.
I've said it a number of times, I do not understand the fans that have thrown their toys out of the pram and are now refusing to go. I realise our form has not been great for a while, but yesterday was great and they all missed it!
The only thing that I would like to see improve is the line of communication and hopefully this may be the main point to come out of Wednesday's meeting. Like you, I have chosen not to attend!
Actually it may be only number 7 that is factual. Every one of the other points are open to debate.
The reasonings may be up for debate, but the main parts of the points, I would say are pretty accurate;
1) Did RD take over a struggling club and sack the manager? 2) Did RD sell YK? 3) Did RD bring in a number of players? 4) Did we sign players from outside of the network in the summer? 5) Are the current network players better than the last lot? 6) Did RD bring in another GK?
7) you agree
8) Which squad members have not had game time under GL? 9) Did we beat a team in contention for the playoffs?
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Pre-win, there were lots of new threads started on how people have given up, how they're never going to The Valley again, how RD is the devil himself....had I have made the above points, the negativity would have consumed them.
Now, I know that 1 win means absolutely nothing....but will happy repost the above in 10 games time, regardless of opposition / result
As is RD's intention of ruining our club
It worked for Huddersfield!
My point being, those people in panic mode are saying that the players from the Network aren't up to it. I am saying that some are
Similarly, I would like to win the Euro Millions lottery, but I'd be best off not planning too much on that, given the £2.70 and £3.30 wins I have had so far.
I would also like to engage with some kind of Orwellian double think and believe we are headed towards very sunny uplands. I don't agree with the opening post, I feel battered and bewildered, dazed and confused by events since the takeover, and any part of me that can apply reason, logic, and thinking peppered with a bit of creativity still believes we are are kind of lost as a club. Yet even now a small part of me still wants to think it's going to all be OK.
Maybe it's only like trying to get used to a reincarnation of the latest Doctor Who, but even living through seven different regimes at Charlton this time it feels really different. The only time I have felt this bleak was when we were kicked out of the Valley to Selhurst Park, and the link I make is that at that time there was even talk of a merger with Crystal Palace!!! The whole vibe reminds me of those very dark days.
Maybe, just maybe it's going to all be OK in the morning, but for me yesterday was a blessed relief of a win as much as anything, but I was also there on Tuesday which was basically torture to the soul.
It appears that any kind of positivity towards RD and what he has done or is proposing to do - including acknowledgement of his mistakes - is given short shrift, with the same tired old reasoning that as he sacked CP and got rid of a temperamental Kermorgant and disappointedly sacked Big Bob, he must be a wrong 'un. Obviously this is supported 100% by the views of half a dozen network fans who post on here.
Those that say he knows nothing about football especially make me smile. He has more day to day dealings with the football 'industry' than 99% of the people who post here.
Anyway, when the supporters decide on how they're going to 'deal' with RD and KM or decide exactly how they think our owner should be running the Club, considering the constraints of FFP - other than reducing his income stream - then please let me know and I'll be behind you 100%?
I honestly have no ideas on how to improve the situation, so believe I have nothing to bring to the party, other than show a bit of patience.
But those negative (I prefer to label them as realistic) posts came about after 3 months without a win, a CEO being economical with the truth, the new manager fiasco Etc etc.
They weren't written after 1 defeat. Do you honestly blame fans for being fed up and, more importantly, worried about the club's future ?
He and the management team are not people who care to share the 'master plan' with the supporters or players. It is not surprising that the evidence of many of the incompetent and ill judged football decisions lead supporters to have a negative view of the future and of Duchatelet's motives. (Supporters may also think that the plan is not being communicated because ultimately, Charlton supporters will not like it or doubt whether it will work). Who's fault is that ? I would say that stems from Duchatelet himself.
I call them negative, you call them realistic - fine...forums are all about opinions. In your opinion, why are my 'positive' points in original post not realistic....many of them, to me, appear factual
As for Tuesday – It was a long way back to Norfolk with my Norwich City supporting brother in law.
Arriving just after 1.00 a.m. very tired and fed up!!
When has any of the Duchatelet management admitted that anything they have done has been a mistake ? Necessary improvements made to the pitch and stadium funded by selling the main striker and forward playing midfielder.
You missed out of your list.
- A clearly thin and inadequate squad produced for the demands of a championship season.
How many charlton comms guys joined in December?
The writing is good but blunt, I would guess that your are probably Belgium from the Network.
I've had a few spats on here over the last few weeks with so called supporters like Kentred trying to put down the people that hold views similar to you and I.
Frank, well done for creating this thread and standing up for what you believe. It's not all about wearing rose tinted specs, its just that a lot of fans do not believe that the situation is as bad as some would like you to think they are.
I've said it a number of times, I do not understand the fans that have thrown their toys out of the pram and are now refusing to go. I realise our form has not been great for a while, but yesterday was great and they all missed it!
The only thing that I would like to see improve is the line of communication and hopefully this may be the main point to come out of Wednesday's meeting. Like you, I have chosen not to attend!
1) Did RD take over a struggling club and sack the manager?
2) Did RD sell YK?
3) Did RD bring in a number of players?
4) Did we sign players from outside of the network in the summer?
5) Are the current network players better than the last lot?
6) Did RD bring in another GK?
7) you agree
8) Which squad members have not had game time under GL?
9) Did we beat a team in contention for the playoffs?