Went today and very disappointed with the result and especially by the ineptitude (yet again) of Ben haim and Bikey. Just watched the goals on SSN and I don't know how they qualify as CHs!! They are clueless or couldn't careless. How people can blame Etheridge when he has those two clowns infront of him I don't know! How fans can cheer Bikey when he makes so many mistakes... Morrison never stood a chance if the rumours about these two bossing things is true. Clearly there is a total lack of team spirit and unity which was obvious last week more than ever. I really hope JJ (or Solly) can try to restore it because I think the younger players really suffer even more when he is not playing. I think, if we are lucky enough to get any players in, who will be able to tell whether they will fit in the team or not?
I'm so glad you've said this. I've said for weeks that TBH and Bikey are just not good enough and I've been crucified on this forum. It's just a relief I'm not the only one who thinks it. Bikey in particular for me is just dreadful.
Braydex, the group of 6 of us that go all feel the same. They are not good enough or don't want to be here. What worries me more is if they are being the negative influence in the dressing room as hinted at by people. Of course, they have no competition for their places - although I would try Gomez as CH but he is inexperienced there at this level. It so saddens and infuriates me that Morrison was pushed out.
They are & I don't think Luzon's the man to change it.. with all the rotation we are to expect from him it could just be a merry go round of players, which in this league upsets players more than anything. They'd rather sit on the bench and wait for their chance and grab it by the balls and keep hold of it , than get their space lose it the next week regardless. Really worried if he wants to rotate, we are weak enough at our strongest.. it'll be a mockery if we rotate, decent Championship teams build a foundation on a solid 9 or so players week in week out if fit.
Do you know Luzons man management style or tactics?
I was spot on with my prediction of an improved, battling performance. Anyone still of the opinion that we're mid table and have nothing to worry about?
Went today and very disappointed with the result and especially by the ineptitude (yet again) of Ben haim and Bikey. Just watched the goals on SSN and I don't know how they qualify as CHs!! They are clueless or couldn't careless. How people can blame Etheridge when he has those two clowns infront of him I don't know! How fans can cheer Bikey when he makes so many mistakes... Morrison never stood a chance if the rumours about these two bossing things is true. Clearly there is a total lack of team spirit and unity which was obvious last week more than ever. I really hope JJ (or Solly) can try to restore it because I think the younger players really suffer even more when he is not playing. I think, if we are lucky enough to get any players in, who will be able to tell whether they will fit in the team or not?
I'm so glad you've said this. I've said for weeks that TBH and Bikey are just not good enough and I've been crucified on this forum. It's just a relief I'm not the only one who thinks it. Bikey in particular for me is just dreadful.
I think Morrison and Dervite were better at the back than Bikey and TBH. I know this is not a widely held view, so kept it to myself.
Went today and very disappointed with the result and especially by the ineptitude (yet again) of Ben haim and Bikey. Just watched the goals on SSN and I don't know how they qualify as CHs!! They are clueless or couldn't careless. How people can blame Etheridge when he has those two clowns infront of him I don't know! How fans can cheer Bikey when he makes so many mistakes... Morrison never stood a chance if the rumours about these two bossing things is true. Clearly there is a total lack of team spirit and unity which was obvious last week more than ever. I really hope JJ (or Solly) can try to restore it because I think the younger players really suffer even more when he is not playing. I think, if we are lucky enough to get any players in, who will be able to tell whether they will fit in the team or not?
I'm so glad you've said this. I've said for weeks that TBH and Bikey are just not good enough and I've been crucified on this forum. It's just a relief I'm not the only one who thinks it. Bikey in particular for me is just dreadful.
I think Morrison and Dervite were better at the back than Bikey and TBH. I know this is not a widely held view, so kept it to myself.
I think that TBH has been our best player this season, however Bikey has gone backwards - fast. Getting shot of Morro was the most crass decision ever made. Someone else made the observation that these two are disruptive - funny, coz i thought that might be the case when watching the game v Portsmouth pre season when Jacko had to get Peeters to tell TBH and Bikey to give him the ball for the penalty - i clocked then that they both seemed to be up their own ar5e and not respectful towards Jacko- and they'd only just started at the club.
If this story is true about Bikey and Ben haim getting there own way then Luzon has to show the bollocks buy dropping them both and playing Gomez there and bring another centre half in and let them rot
If this story is true about Bikey and Ben haim getting there own way then Luzon has to show the bollocks buy dropping them both and playing Gomez there and bring another centre half in and let them rot
Embarrassing performance from the players matched by the yoof singing Roland out! Who the fuck do they imagine is going to step up and buy our club?
Saved us from administration, steadying the ship, trying to manage a £6/7 million loss per year, get real!
I'm sure he will back Luzon in the coming weeks and that will be coming from his own pocket!
Well, people who know tell me that there would be, if he'd sell.
If that's the case why didn't they buy the club when he bought it?
It was clearly for sale then.
Maybe because the previous incumbents would not allow said interested parties buy...
What I thought I'd read as well.
Nothing to say on that, but people continually repeat on here that no one else wouid buy the club if RD pulled out, so I asked someone who would know better than any of us and that's what I was told. No more, no less.
I don't expect an answer to this but is it possible that any potential purchaser will only 'pick the club up' for £1 after administration.
I don't think that scenario is likely or necessary. The club has a value, reflected in what RD paid for it. We don't know what the debt position is now (i.e. the amount that was due to the offshore company), but if it still exists it's likely to be to him (Staprix) anyway. The club isn't going into administration.
I believe the club would have been sold much earlier if Jimenez hadn't been intent on holding out for a wildly unrealistic figure. The key comment made in relation to RD by Slater is that he bought it doing "his own due diligence", which shortened the process and effectively gave him a big advantage over other parties. It also means he probably didn't know what he was buying, which must have delighted the spivs.
Of course, who comes in next may be a lottery too, but there is no shortage of people who want to buy football clubs in England. The key stumbling block is that RD doesn't want to sell.
Embarrassing performance from the players matched by the yoof singing Roland out! Who the fuck do they imagine is going to step up and buy our club?
Saved us from administration, steadying the ship, trying to manage a £6/7 million loss per year, get real!
I'm sure he will back Luzon in the coming weeks and that will be coming from his own pocket!
Well, people who know tell me that there would be, if he'd sell.
If that's the case why didn't they buy the club when he bought it?
It was clearly for sale then.
Maybe because the previous incumbents would not allow said interested parties buy...
What I thought I'd read as well.
Nothing to say on that, but people continually repeat on here that no one else wouid buy the club if RD pulled out, so I asked someone who would know better than any of us and that's what I was told. No more, no less.
I don't expect an answer to this but is it possible that any potential purchaser will only 'pick the club up' for £1 after administration.
I don't think that scenario is likely or necessary. The club has a value, reflected in what RD paid for it. We don't know what the debt position is now (i.e. the amount that was due to the offshore company), but if it still exists it's likely to be to him (Staprix) anyway. The club isn't going into administration.
I believe the club would have been sold much earlier if Jimenez hadn't been intent on holding out for a wildly unrealistic figure. The key comment made in relation to RD by Slater is that he bought it doing "his own due diligence", which shortened the process and effectively gave him a big advantage over other parties. It also means he probably didn't know what he was buying, which must have delighted the spivs.
Of course, who comes in next may be a lottery too, but there is no shortage of people who want to buy football clubs in England. The key stumbling block is that RD doesn't want to sell.
It would be interesting if someone made an approach though. Josh Harris is still looking for a club.
Everything we know about RD suggests he will hold on to prove that his unique strategy works. He is not a football man and his wealth does not depend on it.Basically he is trying to prove that the network is a genius idea. As we slowly sink he will blame the coaches,the management,the players and the fans until we have sunk out of sight. There is a profound saying in business that 'culture eats strategy for breakfast'. RD simply does not get football culture.
It was only the end of November when we were robbed of a deserved home win against promotion favourites Ipswich Town.
My local Ipswich Town mates said they couldn't believe the difference in the Charlton performance at Portman Road only a month after our impressive showing at The Valley. Charlton didn't play badly at Portman Road - they actually played the better football but were lacking in the final third and outmuscled by a typically physical Championship side.
So, it is rubbish saying our players aren't good enough.
This problem is a mind problem and we've got into a rut and a mindset that we are now beatable. Getting out of it is another issue. Luzon will have to stop the rot - that simple.
There was a small part of me yesterday that was glad we got tonked by an embarrasing scoreline. Let's be honest, we've been playing crap for a while so this kind of hiding has been on the cards. I went to the Blackburn game and could easily have 5-0 but for some heroic goalkeeping and Blackburn taking the foot of the gas. These 1-0, 2-1 defeats over the last few months have actually flattered us and hidden the fact that something is very drastically wrong. Combine this with Bob Peeters post-match lies that we are always 'unlucky' and Roland could be forgiven for underestimating the gravity of the situation on the field. He just suspects that Bob is not up to the task.
He can't still think that after yesterday.
If Luzon has got the ear of Duchatelet and witnessed that shite yesterday then it might help prompt some urgent investment to our beleagured squad. We are still in the transfer window after all.
If this story is true about Bikey and Ben haim getting there own way then Luzon has to show the bollocks buy dropping them both and playing Gomez there and bring another centre half in and let them rot
Gomez and Onyewu
Agree with this. Gomez has to start at Wolves. Makes the decision to let Morrison go look more amazing too...
Morrison would be playing now ahead of Bikey and the decision to let him go was both ridiculous and cretinous. Apart from being decent cover at centre-half, he is also a leader on the pitch and we are sorely lacking those too.
There was a small part of me yesterday that was glad we got tonked by an embarrasing scoreline. Let's be honest, we've been playing crap for a while so this kind of hiding has been on the cards. I went to the Blackburn game and could easily have 5-0 but for some heroic goalkeeping and Blackburn taking the foot of the gas. These 1-0, 2-1 defeats over the last few months have actually flattered us and hidden the fact that something is very drastically wrong. Combine this with Bob Peeters post-match lies that we are always 'unlucky' and Roland could be forgiven for underestimating the gravity of the situation on the field. He just suspects that Bob is not up to the task.
He can't still think that after yesterday.
If Luzon has got the ear of Duchatelet and witnessed that shite yesterday then it might help prompt some urgent investment to our beleagured squad. We are still in the transfer window after all.
Yes, that was the sort of result and performance that shows that there are serious issues to be resolved. RD isn't stupid, while he isn't going to splash cash unnecessarily, he din't buy the club to see it relegated in his first season, as financially it would be a disaster for him
What has amazed me is how many people see a game a certain way depending on the final result. We have been crap most of the season , but when we got a lucky result ( like Norwich away ) people saw a good performance. With a bit more luck on their side, Norwich could have beaten us 8-1. The after match comments and player marks were for the result itself, not the actual individual or overall performance. Take a look at a Wigan away when we conceded 2 at the death to turn a win into a defeat. The comments and player marks were for the result. Apart from a couple of occasions we have been lucky this season. Our final position will be the right position. We will stay up. But very lucky to do so.
What's been said by many about just feeling sad watching yesterday performance sums it up for me and I have been supporting the team 57 years and seen lots of bad times and some good I have to say . when I was asked after getting home how was the game I just said it was sad day. Best part of day was the walk to and from Watford junction. Last few weeks I keep telling myself it can't get any worse but it seems I'm wrong
A team lacking in ideas. A team lacking in confidence. A team that desperately needs a fresh face in the starting line up. So why the hell did the helmets in charge leave Watt on the bench again for the second game running.
One positive about this result is that it's come right in the middle of a transfer window and a week after we sack the manager. It means that the new manager knows how bad things are right from the off and the owner has a choice about how much he wants to pump into the squad, at a time when he is able to. If this result came in 3 weeks time, Roland could argue that the squad is as it is and just has to manage. He now has the magnifying glass on him so close that he cannot hide. If ever there was a time when every minute detail of every decision made will be scrutinized it is now. The whole football world is watching you Roland. Any pressure??
That hasn't helped at all. But Watford have had four managers this season and have had training ground fights that have seen Lewis McGugan, Keith Andrews and Lloyd Dyer banished from 1st Team training. Yesterday they smashed us because they were better and wanted it more. They also have people like Deeney on £20k a week!!
Good point...and lost poorly last week whilst also have a very patchy recent home record.
Key was apart from the first 5 minutes is that you let us play with pace and into a lot of space.
There isno-way we would have got 5 against you if there was some pressure on us.
That hasn't helped at all. But Watford have had four managers this season and have had training ground fights that have seen Lewis McGugan, Keith Andrews and Lloyd Dyer banished from 1st Team training. Yesterday they smashed us because they were better and wanted it more. They also have people like Deeney on £20k a week!!
Good point...and lost poorly last week whilst also have a very patchy recent home record.
Key was apart from the first 5 minutes is that you let us play with pace and into a lot of space.
There isno-way we would have got 5 against you if there was some pressure on us.
Yes, pace was the key. Most good coaches would get the message out to disrupt the rhythm, slow it down by knocking the ball around at the back, take time with goal kicks etc. We encouraged the fast pace by trying to match it.
I think RD is probably still thinking that relegation is unlikely, and that therefore his goal for this season - to stay in the championship - will have been achieved. I don't think he necessarily gives a toss about the performances. Every team suffers big defeats like this every now and then, and though it hurts us I doubt RD sees it as a further crisis, having "dealt" with Peeters.
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Does anyone know if Luzon was there yesterday?
Someone else made the observation that these two are disruptive - funny, coz i thought that might be the case when watching the game v Portsmouth pre season when Jacko had to get Peeters to tell TBH and Bikey to give him the ball for the penalty - i clocked then that they both seemed to be up their own ar5e and not respectful towards Jacko- and they'd only just started at the club.
I believe the club would have been sold much earlier if Jimenez hadn't been intent on holding out for a wildly unrealistic figure. The key comment made in relation to RD by Slater is that he bought it doing "his own due diligence", which shortened the process and effectively gave him a big advantage over other parties. It also means he probably didn't know what he was buying, which must have delighted the spivs.
Of course, who comes in next may be a lottery too, but there is no shortage of people who want to buy football clubs in England. The key stumbling block is that RD doesn't want to sell.
As we slowly sink he will blame the coaches,the management,the players and the fans until we have sunk out of sight.
There is a profound saying in business that 'culture eats strategy for breakfast'. RD simply does not get football culture.
My local Ipswich Town mates said they couldn't believe the difference in the Charlton performance at Portman Road only a month after our impressive showing at The Valley.
Charlton didn't play badly at Portman Road - they actually played the better football but were lacking in the final third and outmuscled by a typically physical Championship side.
So, it is rubbish saying our players aren't good enough.
This problem is a mind problem and we've got into a rut and a mindset that we are now beatable. Getting out of it is another issue. Luzon will have to stop the rot - that simple.
He can't still think that after yesterday.
If Luzon has got the ear of Duchatelet and witnessed that shite yesterday then it might help prompt some urgent investment to our beleagured squad. We are still in the transfer window after all.
Apart from being decent cover at centre-half, he is also a leader on the pitch and we are sorely lacking those too.
Key was apart from the first 5 minutes is that you let us play with pace and into a lot of space.
There isno-way we would have got 5 against you if there was some pressure on us.
Shocking performance, played like a pub team against them.
Have not seen any positives for a while now.
We are in a relegation battle and we look like we have no backbone or fight in us.