Someone just posted this on the FB group. If you look at this and the one above they have Saturday's score line on the big screen. Were these photos taken after Saturday's game?????
Hard to tell - but could be a Photoshopped picture. Bit too light to be late Saturday afternoon/evening.
I'm pretty sure it was taken on Wednesday. Reckon they just hadn't taken down the score board for some reason.
Agree, but the scoreboard isn't switched on all the time. It would have had to be turned on especially, even if for some unrelated reason. In any event, why on earth would you set up a publicity picture with a losing scoreline in the background? It's very basic stuff.
The scoreboard was definitely still on Monday afternoon, if that helps. I think this is red herring, although definitely an oŵn goal assuming we were in còntrol of that photography.
Talk or interview ? i'm sure she spoke to a few people ( or their representatives ) on the phone , who were interested in the job on sunday/monday once they knew Peeters had lost hid job.
It was a phone interview.
KM : Is that Paul Jewell ?
PJ : Yes hello, who is this please.
KM : This is Katrien Meire re your application to be the Charlton Coach.
Unsure where to post this but a very interesting post from reams on ITTV I know a lot of people don't believe things he says but some of this ties on with some hints that have been dropped by CL posters:
Ok I know that some people on here do not believe that I have a very close associate connected with the club but the truth is I do and I have the following information which I have had the green light to share with you.
Roland has an arrangement where he gets all of our games streamed back to Belgium and he watches most of them Live. Five minutes after the defeat to Brighton he contacted KM with the instruction to dismiss Bob Peeters with immediate affect with one of the reasons being that he had seen enough.
Peeters was monitored following the public lambasting of TBH, RD was furious that in house matters had been brought out publicly, but a far more serious matter was brought to his attention two weeks ago by a member of the board who informed him that some players and two members of staff were furious with Peeters and his coaching staff because he has been slagging them off in Dutch for some time.
Some of the players picked up on this possibly through JBG and confronted Peeters and his two right hand men and tussles have taken place on the training ground. A Director was informed who notified RD.(This is why all three were sacked not just Peeters).
It also transpires that Bob had completely lost the dressing room against Brighton and couldn't make a decision as to what to do so Damien Matthew and Ben Roberts stepped in and took over, it is also said that punches have been thrown in the dressing room too.
There was also talk of new players coming in and when he asked if they were from inside the network the reply he got was that while they cannot rule it out, the targets were indeed from OUTSIDE of the network.
I'm told that Roland really wants to make CAFC work but will not put up with people not performing.
(This info has not come from him or anyone relating to the current owners)
Although that news is quite positive, that still, for me, doesn't excuse his appointment of Luzon
If it's true, and not spin started by the club (my paranoia from recent events). Certainly sounds more than plausible, though. We coild all see players were refusing to play for him. Didn't like the bloke (gut feeling) when he arrived.
But yeah, the Luzon appointment is inexcusable, but so was the Peeters appointment!
I noticed something from when Jordan Cousins scored his stunning goal v Wigan!! Cousins runs celebrating towards the dugout Peeters tries to celebrate with him but Jordan ignores him and almost swerves Peeters! Did they not like him from the start!? Watch it back lads and ladies have a look
I thought it might be worth summarising all the comings and goings of the last ten days. Let me know if I've missed anything substantial out:
Monday 5th January: Rumours from Israeli sources suggest that Bob Peeters will be sacked and replaced by Guy Luzon. This is published in Belguim's Voetbal Niews.
Saturday 10th January: Katrien Meire has a signed report in the Brighton programme appraising how well the club have done in the first half of the season. There is no hint of any discontent with the manager, “there are many positives to take from the first six months... it is important to stay calm and not to get carried away by one rocky patch... To be in this position whilst having stuck to our principles...is something to be admired”.
Saturday 10th January: Charlton lose 1-0 to Brighton.
Sunday 11th January: Club announce via twitter, “Charlton have terminated the contract of Head Coach Bob Peeters”.
Monday 12th January: Miere makes a statement via the club website, “It was a very difficult decision to reach. We had been very supportive of Bob until the very last moment, but the disappointing nature of performances and results in recent matches forced us to look at the situation. Despite recent rumours in the media we had not considered this option until after Saturday’s game. We have won just once in the past 12 matches and with the January transfer window open it is an important time of the season for the club... We know how important it is to make sure this next appointment is the right one because I understand that this club needs and deserves a Head Coach who can plan and take charge for the long-term”.
Tuesday 13th January: Guy Luzon is appointed as head coach. Wednesday 14th January: Bob Peeters quoted as saying, “When Guy Luzon was sacked at Liege, I knew that I had to be careful". Wednesday 14th January: On Sky tv Miere claims that within an hour of Peeter's sacking the club had 20 applications but by late evening it became clear that Luzon was the favourite. When asked if Luzon was the only interviewee, Meire replies, 'No”, at this point the pictures change and there is a new question. Was there a longer answer that was edited out?
Thursday 15th January: Tony Pulis is reported as saying that Paul Jewell was in for the Charlton job. No detail given though as to the seriousness of the application, who made contact with whom or what was said.
Thursday 15th January: Katrien Meire interviewed in the Evening Standard says, “Of course I can understand their [the fans] frustration and they have every right to be [frustrated]. But I hope they understand the owner wants the best for Charlton. He does it his way and they need to accept that”.
Thursday 15th January: [as yet] Unsubstantiated rumours that Peeters, Van Houdt and Kiala had been speaking in Dutch behind players' backs. Some players confronted Peeters, leading to “tussles” with PVH and GK.
It seems to me that there are a number of important but, as yet, unanswered questions. When was the decision taken to sack Bob? There was no indication of any upset on Saturday, but he was gone by Sunday. Surely there can't have been such a sea-change in opinion as a result of one match. When was the decision taken to appoint Luzon? For a decision that was supposed to be important, it all seemed to be unfeasibly quick. How many people were treated as serious applicants (surely not all 20)? What steps were taken to sort and prioritise these applications? How many people were actually interviewed? Properly? If Miere/Duchatelet can really sift 20 candidates, interview the best ones and reach the best decision in such a short space of time, why are they messing about with a second tier football club when they could make a killing working in recruitment? What criteria were set for deciding the successful "applicant"? Is there any way at all in which there was fair and open competition for the post? What truth is there in the rumours about Peeters and his cohorts? How many shots were fired and who was on the grassy knoll?
Peeters was monitored following the public lambasting of TBH, RD was furious that in house matters had been brought out publicly, but a far more serious matter was brought to his attention two weeks ago by a member of the board who informed him that some players and two members of staff were furious with Peeters and his coaching staff because he has been slagging them off in Dutch for some time.
Some of the players picked up on this possibly through JBG and confronted Peeters and his two right hand men and tussles have taken place on the training ground. A Director was informed who notified RD.(This is why all three were sacked not just Peeters).
Directors at CAFC:
Meire, Roly and Murray.
So that rules out Roly so allegedly between Murray and Meire they informed Roly of the ongoings shown above, so which makes Meire's programme notes look even more ridiculous.
Unless of course the wording of "Director" and "Member of the board" are incorrect and its was a member of staff instead.
Are you just agreeing with what reams has posted or do you know that what he has posted to be true?
Pretty much ties in with what I was told last week. There was also a big bust up in Oct, where Bob rubbished and ridiculed Michael Morrison in front of all the lads which did not go down well at all and things have got worse from there. He was not liked at all at SL. I think DM and BR will be pleased to see the back of him !
A question was put to one of the back room team (I won't say who) after the game on Sat from someone I know that Bob could get the sack, the answer was " good, everyone fucking hates him ".
If true I would say that changes things slightly. The players and staff might actually be happy to see Luzon come in.
I have a feeling we are going to be surprised at the impact he leaves on the club and am fully expecting our fortunes to change for the better from here on in (call me mad if you want).
I hope this is the way it pans out but I would just have been so much happier with Riga
I bid for work all the time so I'm in for it. Doesn't mean I get an interview.
You'll know the same from your work when you tender for jobs. Doesn't automatically mean you get to the final interview stage.
All true, of course.
However, West Brom obviously took it seriously enough for them to take action in case he left.
Or Pullis used it as an excuse/justification for Jewel going.
It will play well with people on West Brom Life who will be saying "He was touting himself to Charlton! He can f*** right off then, disloyal, glad he's gone".
If this talk of unrest and fighting between Peeters and the players is true and considering some of his public criticism of some players (particularly TBH) i wouldn;t be surprised if it is, then the club were absolutely correct to act and sack all 3. This does kinda fit with how all 3 were shown the door straight away. I have also heard similar murmourings about issues within the club, but thought that was just typical in house arguing when things are not going well.
I still maintain that Luzon is not the right person for the job and more thought and discussion with the players (or at least the Captain) to discuss what is needed to smooth things over and turn things around was needed, not just the one person in his network who doesn't have a job anymore.
Hopefully he will prove me and a lot of others wrong and be a success. Time will tell and i really do hope i am wrong about him.
The ambiguity over "the director" is interesting. The players will have much easier access and interaction with Meire than with Murray.
If they contacted RM it would suggest they had no confidence in KM - perhaps as another Belgian - doing anything about it, and maybe thought she would just report them to BP. If it was KM, why did she write that programme article?
The ambiguity over "the director" is interesting. The players will have much easier access and interaction with Meire than with Murray.
If they contacted RM it would suggest they had no confidence in KM - perhaps as another Belgian - doing anything about it, and maybe thought she would just report them to BP. If it was KM, why did she write that programme article?
Maybe the programme article was written on a Wednesday and RD changed his mind on Saturday. As we all know 24 hours in any profession is a long time.
The ambiguity over "the director" is interesting. The players will have much easier access and interaction with Meire than with Murray.
If they contacted RM it would suggest they had no confidence in KM - perhaps as another Belgian - doing anything about it, and maybe thought she would just report them to BP. If it was KM, why did she write that programme article?
I bid for work all the time so I'm in for it. Doesn't mean I get an interview.
You'll know the same from your work when you tender for jobs. Doesn't automatically mean you get to the final interview stage.
All true, of course.
However, West Brom obviously took it seriously enough for them to take action in case he left.
Or Pullis used it as an excuse/justification for Jewel going.
It will play well with people on West Brom Life who will be saying "He was touting himself to Charlton! He can f*** right off then, disloyal, glad he's gone".
Clever little dig from Pullis
Read what he said again. No dig from Pullis at all. In fact, quite complimentary.
And I very much doubt that Pullis had anything to do with the subsequent action that West Brom took.
The ambiguity over "the director" is interesting. The players will have much easier access and interaction with Meire than with Murray.
If they contacted RM it would suggest they had no confidence in KM - perhaps as another Belgian - doing anything about it, and maybe thought she would just report them to BP. If it was KM, why did she write that programme article?
Maybe KM didn't want BP to suspect anything?
So instead chose to lead the fans up the garden path.
What the article fails to mention is that Maccabi Petah Tikva, the only club he played at and the first team he managed, is owned by his family; that he allegedly got the Israeli U21 job because his uncle, who ran the Israeli FA equivalent, used his influence. Who knows how he got the SL job, but I do wonder about the influence of Dudu Dahan, a close family friend and his agent and a close ally of Roland's by all accounts. And we all know how he got the Charlton job. Now I will give him every chance, because I want the best for Charlton, and maybe he will turn out to be "our Sir Alex Ferguson"...who knows at this point?
She met him on a Monday and her heart stood still Da do Guy-Luz-on, da Guy Luz-on Somebody told her that he was better than Jewell Da do Guy-Luz-on, da Guy Luz-on
(with apologies to The Crystals for associating their timeless classic to the CAFC farce)
The ambiguity over "the director" is interesting. The players will have much easier access and interaction with Meire than with Murray.
If they contacted RM it would suggest they had no confidence in KM - perhaps as another Belgian - doing anything about it, and maybe thought she would just report them to BP. If it was KM, why did she write that programme article?
Maybe KM didn't want BP to suspect anything?
Why say anything at all to fans on Saturday, then?
If this talk of unrest and fighting between Peeters and the players is true and considering some of his public criticism of some players (particularly TBH) i wouldn;t be surprised if it is, then the club were absolutely correct to act and sack all 3. This does kinda fit with how all 3 were shown the door straight away. I have also heard similar murmourings about issues within the club, but thought that was just typical in house arguing when things are not going well.
I still maintain that Luzon is not the right person for the job and more thought and discussion with the players (or at least the Captain) to discuss what is needed to smooth things over and turn things around was needed, not just the one person in his network who doesn't have a job anymore.
Hopefully he will prove me and a lot of others wrong and be a success. Time will tell and i really do hope i am wrong about him.
I always thought it was interesting that BP threw TBH under the bus for the goal that led to the Ipswich defeat at home, yet he made a far worse mistake up at Rotherham. Yet after the Rotherham game BP came out and defended him and the style of playing it out from the back.
IF those comments by Reams are true then you could argue RD was right to act as and when he did. But seeing that any info any of us get is a secondary source then it is hard to tell.
I'm inclined to believe something was up just by looking at what transpired on the pitch. Our performances definitely dipped and dressing room unrest could've affected that.
maybe RD wasn't keeping her in the loop. Perhaps she had read CL and the rumours re Luzon and thought she had to say something. Then we lost, RD had had enough, and BP was sacked. Makes her look like a right plum but a victim of circumstance.
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KM : Is that Paul Jewell ?
PJ : Yes hello, who is this please.
KM : This is Katrien Meire re your application to be the Charlton Coach.
PJ : When do you want to see me.
KM: I don't. Bye.
So, the Hapoel Tel-Aviv fans don't like him. The Standard Liege fans don't like him. And I don't like him. ;-)
Monday 5th January: Rumours from Israeli sources suggest that Bob Peeters will be sacked and replaced by Guy Luzon. This is published in Belguim's Voetbal Niews.
Saturday 10th January: Katrien Meire has a signed report in the Brighton programme appraising how well the club have done in the first half of the season. There is no hint of any discontent with the manager, “there are many positives to take from the first six months... it is important to stay calm and not to get carried away by one rocky patch... To be in this position whilst having stuck to our principles...is something to be admired”.
Saturday 10th January: Charlton lose 1-0 to Brighton.
Sunday 11th January: Club announce via twitter, “Charlton have terminated the contract of Head Coach Bob Peeters”.
Monday 12th January: Miere makes a statement via the club website, “It was a very difficult decision to reach. We had been very supportive of Bob until the very last moment, but the disappointing nature of performances and results in recent matches forced us to look at the situation. Despite recent rumours in the media we had not considered this option until after Saturday’s game. We have won just once in the past 12 matches and with the January transfer window open it is an important time of the season for the club... We know how important it is to make sure this next appointment is the right one because I understand that this club needs and deserves a Head Coach who can plan and take charge for the long-term”.
Tuesday 13th January: Guy Luzon is appointed as head coach.
Wednesday 14th January: Bob Peeters quoted as saying, “When Guy Luzon was sacked at Liege, I knew that I had to be careful".
Wednesday 14th January: On Sky tv Miere claims that within an hour of Peeter's sacking the club had 20 applications but by late evening it became clear that Luzon was the favourite. When asked if Luzon was the only interviewee, Meire replies, 'No”, at this point the pictures change and there is a new question. Was there a longer answer that was edited out?
Thursday 15th January: Tony Pulis is reported as saying that Paul Jewell was in for the Charlton job. No detail given though as to the seriousness of the application, who made contact with whom or what was said.
Thursday 15th January: Katrien Meire interviewed in the Evening Standard says, “Of course I can understand their [the fans] frustration and they have every right to be [frustrated]. But I hope they understand the owner wants the best for Charlton. He does it his way and they need to accept that”.
Thursday 15th January: [as yet] Unsubstantiated rumours that Peeters, Van Houdt and Kiala had been speaking in Dutch behind players' backs. Some players confronted Peeters, leading to “tussles” with PVH and GK.
It seems to me that there are a number of important but, as yet, unanswered questions. When was the decision taken to sack Bob? There was no indication of any upset on Saturday, but he was gone by Sunday. Surely there can't have been such a sea-change in opinion as a result of one match. When was the decision taken to appoint Luzon? For a decision that was supposed to be important, it all seemed to be unfeasibly quick. How many people were treated as serious applicants (surely not all 20)? What steps were taken to sort and prioritise these applications? How many people were actually interviewed? Properly? If Miere/Duchatelet can really sift 20 candidates, interview the best ones and reach the best decision in such a short space of time, why are they messing about with a second tier football club when they could make a killing working in recruitment? What criteria were set for deciding the successful "applicant"? Is there any way at all in which there was fair and open competition for the post? What truth is there in the rumours about Peeters and his cohorts? How many shots were fired and who was on the grassy knoll?
I suspect that Reams has heard it right.
If I was RD, I would have taken the action.
Luzon's speedy appointment needs to be taken in that context.
Peeters was monitored following the public lambasting of TBH, RD was furious that in house matters had been brought out publicly, but a far more serious matter was brought to his attention two weeks ago by a member of the board who informed him that some players and two members of staff were furious with Peeters and his coaching staff because he has been slagging them off in Dutch for some time.
Some of the players picked up on this possibly through JBG and confronted Peeters and his two right hand men and tussles have taken place on the training ground. A Director was informed who notified RD.(This is why all three were sacked not just Peeters).
Directors at CAFC:
Meire, Roly and Murray.
So that rules out Roly so allegedly between Murray and Meire they informed Roly of the ongoings shown above, so which makes Meire's programme notes look even more ridiculous.
Unless of course the wording of "Director" and "Member of the board" are incorrect and its was a member of staff instead.
https://chicagoaddick.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/penny-for-a-guy/
Or did he just send his CV like 19 others.
I bid for work all the time so I'm in for it. Doesn't mean I get an interview.
You'll know the same from your work when you tender for jobs. Doesn't automatically mean you get to the final interview stage.
However, West Brom obviously took it seriously enough for them to take action in case he left.
Or Pullis used it as an excuse/justification for Jewel going.
It will play well with people on West Brom Life who will be saying "He was touting himself to Charlton! He can f*** right off then, disloyal, glad he's gone".
Clever little dig from Pullis
I still maintain that Luzon is not the right person for the job and more thought and discussion with the players (or at least the Captain) to discuss what is needed to smooth things over and turn things around was needed, not just the one person in his network who doesn't have a job anymore.
Hopefully he will prove me and a lot of others wrong and be a success. Time will tell and i really do hope i am wrong about him.
From what I have seen and heard of Luzon so far, he seems to be another hot - headed arrogant young man rather than a mature, dignified character.
Hey Ho.
If they contacted RM it would suggest they had no confidence in KM - perhaps as another Belgian - doing anything about it, and maybe thought she would just report them to BP. If it was KM, why did she write that programme article?
http://www.football-league.co.uk/news/article/2014/guy-luzon-the-story-behind-charlton-athletics-new-head-coach-2203270.aspx
And I very much doubt that Pullis had anything to do with the subsequent action that West Brom took.
She met him on a Monday and her heart stood still
Da do Guy-Luz-on, da Guy Luz-on
Somebody told her that he was better than Jewell
Da do Guy-Luz-on, da Guy Luz-on
(with apologies to The Crystals for associating their timeless classic to the CAFC farce)
IF those comments by Reams are true then you could argue RD was right to act as and when he did. But seeing that any info any of us get is a secondary source then it is hard to tell.
I'm inclined to believe something was up just by looking at what transpired on the pitch. Our performances definitely dipped and dressing room unrest could've affected that.