Sod them all I hate politics right now. I'd love to see a black, female, disabled, working class priminister just once just too prove we don't have a nation of bigots.
If the Rooney Rule comes in, she'll probably take a job in the Premier League first.
I don't disagree with anyone wanting to protest vote but using UKIP as a vehicle to do it is very wrong.
We have much bigger problems to worry about than the agenda of UKIP at the moment yet the build up to this election will primarily involve talking about immigration and the EU.
a good comment on late TV last night pre the Rochester result. " The Torys are heading for a huge car crash here and the car driven at high speed ,heading for a brick wall.Just before it hits the wall Labour jump in front of the car".
Its not one Champagne Socialist comment is it ? Its Brown and his "bigot" statement----its "the Little Englander" racial slur, its the contempt for White Van Man , the tabloid readers, the chavs etc etc etc----Labours core support---they actually HATE their own core support.
Labour is being kicked out of Scotland and now has to crawl back into England and try to regain its core vote with the people its has shown complete and utter contempt for------that noise its me laughing.
I don't disagree with anyone wanting to protest vote but using UKIP as a vehicle to do it is very wrong.
We have much bigger problems to worry about than the agenda of UKIP at the moment yet the build up to this election will primarily involve talking about immigration and the EU.
It`s very wrong to vote UKIP is it? Well, just under 17,000 people didn`t agree with you yesterday did they in a once solid safe tory seat.
Also, the claims that this is a protest is nothing but a cop out and is a pathetic excuse by "The 3 main parties lol" not to accept the reality of the situation! 42% suggests it`s anything but a protest!
I don't disagree with anyone wanting to protest vote but using UKIP as a vehicle to do it is very wrong.
We have much bigger problems to worry about than the agenda of UKIP at the moment yet the build up to this election will primarily involve talking about immigration and the EU.
It`s very wrong to vote UKIP is it? Well, just under 17,000 people didn`t agree with you yesterday did they in a once solid safe tory seat.
Also, the claims that this is a protest is nothing but a cop out and is a pathetic excuse by "The 3 main parties lol" not to accept the reality of the situation! 42% suggests it`s anything but a protest!
Have you lost the apostrophe key on your keyboard?
I don't disagree with anyone wanting to protest vote but using UKIP as a vehicle to do it is very wrong.
We have much bigger problems to worry about than the agenda of UKIP at the moment yet the build up to this election will primarily involve talking about immigration and the EU.
It`s very wrong to vote UKIP is it? Well, just under 17,000 people didn`t agree with you yesterday did they in a once solid safe tory seat.
Also, the claims that this is a protest is nothing but a cop out and is a pathetic excuse by "The 3 main parties lol" not to accept the reality of the situation! 42% suggests it`s anything but a protest!
Have you lost the apostrophe key on your keyboard?
Only if it was a Labour or Conservative apostrophe.
Great to see the anti establishment party making in roads having already replaced Douglas Carswell MP with Douglas Carswell MP, they have now replaced Mark Reckless MP with er... Mark Reckless MP. Nothing like going against the Westminster establishment and kicking out those that have been on the gravy train (!!)
Labour really are in a lose-lose situation with the press at the moment. On the one hand they're castigated for being in thrall to the unions on the other they're being accused of being middle class champagne socialists out of touch with the working class. One of these must be wrong surely?
Great to see the anti establishment party making in roads having already replaced Douglas Carswell MP with Douglas Carswell MP, they have now replaced Mark Reckless MP with er... Mark Reckless MP. Nothing like going against the Westminster establishment and kicking out those that have been on the gravy train (!!)
Ken Clarke raised it on question time last night that these two were always likely to go to UKIP anyway. As much as I detest Farage I have some sort of respect for his manipulation skills, he has got the public to buy into his agenda, he has manipulated other parties MPs to join his campaign, he has manipulated the voters of these two elections to elect the same person and believe that real change has been made.
I wonder if anything like this has ever happened in history?
Labour really are in a lose-lose situation with the press at the moment. On the one hand they're castigated for being in thrall to the unions on the other they're being accused of being middle class champagne socialists out of touch with the working class. One of these must be wrong surely?
Not really.
The 'party' are in thrall to the Unions, but the upper echelons want to be/are middle class champagne socialists and are out of touch with the working class
Labour really are in a lose-lose situation with the press at the moment. On the one hand they're castigated for being in thrall to the unions on the other they're being accused of being middle class champagne socialists out of touch with the working class. One of these must be wrong surely?
Don't think the two facts need to be mutually exclusive. One would think the unions would simply cut out the middle-men and stand for election themselves instead of bankrolling a bunch of upper-class twits who once walked past a socialist demonstration at which prestigious university they snuck into, thus allowing them to claim that they understand working class values.
Unfortunately, when you look at the public faces of the unions, you see thuggish louts who are barely able to string together a comprehensive sentence, such as McCluskey, O'Grady and of course the late Bob Crow. Sure, these people win elections amongst their own lot (with turnouts as high as 15%!) but at a national level they are basically unelectable. Hence the need for the posh twits that make up the majority of their MPs. They might be stupid and out-of-touch but at least they're photogenic (as long as a beggar, a bacon sandwich, a copy of the Sun, an England flag or Myleene Klass aren't about).
Labours in thrall to the unions, the Tories are the mouthpiece of multinationals with budgets as big as a country and UKIP want some of the pie. What a f*****ng mess.
Personally I am not a UKIP supporter, but the idea that the labour party has not been elitist for years, by the 'Islington elite' was underlined years ago when living on a council estate in Charlton decades ago, and was a reason that Rosie Barnes got in. The patronising way that local labour party, dealt with there own party members, and trade union members where they 'knew better' or thought so at the time, by a bunch of middle class twats, telling folks how they should live there lives, unknown to the local residents was appauling, and they got a spanking in that election. So I am not surprissed by her posting. I have never voted Conservative, ( I think my parents would come back and haunt me!) just rather saddened.
Labours in thrall to the unions, the Tories are the mouthpiece of multinationals with budgets as big as a country and UKIP want some of the pie. What a f*****ng mess.
and then nu labour were backed by unions and did everything in their power to move self employed people into being an employee. Certainly helping out the working man and not the big businesses there (!!)
basically all parties that come to the table saying they're different are not. UKIP are just like the tories and the greens are old school labour with a coat of green paint.
Labours in thrall to the unions, the Tories are the mouthpiece of multinationals with budgets as big as a country and UKIP want some of the pie. What a f*****ng mess.
and then nu labour were backed by unions and did everything in their power to move self employed people into being an employee. Certainly helping out the working man and not the big businesses there (!!)
basically all parties that come to the table saying they're different are not. UKIP are just like the tories and the greens are old school labour marxist with a coat of green paint.
Labours in thrall to the unions, the Tories are the mouthpiece of multinationals with budgets as big as a country and UKIP want some of the pie. What a f*****ng mess.
and then nu labour were backed by unions and did everything in their power to move self employed people into being an employee. Certainly helping out the working man and not the big businesses there (!!)
basically all parties that come to the table saying they're different are not. UKIP are just like the tories and the greens are old school labour with a coat of green paint.
...and took us into a hugely expensive (in money and lives) immoral and illegal war thus alienating what remained of both the "intellectual" left and "natural" left thus leaving themselves with nowhere to go but into the territory of the right, and all after Thatcher convinced everyone what a great idea it would be to sell off all of the social housing in the country, dangling the promise of big bucks whilst creaming the really big bucks for the neocons and destroying the manufacturing base whilst claiming it as the unions what done it.
No-one comes out of it clean. I think we agree on that, at least.
Great to see the anti establishment party making in roads having already replaced Douglas Carswell MP with Douglas Carswell MP, they have now replaced Mark Reckless MP with er... Mark Reckless MP. Nothing like going against the Westminster establishment and kicking out those that have been on the gravy train (!!)
Ken Clarke raised it on question time last night that these two were always likely to go to UKIP anyway. As much as I detest Farage I have some sort of respect for his manipulation skills, he has got the public to buy into his agenda, he has manipulated other parties MPs to join his campaign, he has manipulated the voters of these two elections to elect the same person and believe that real change has been made.
I wonder if anything like this has ever happened in history?
the thornberry tweet affair has precisely no politician coming out looking good - it is the perfect storm of abject careerist PR idiocy and I hate them all
Great to see the anti establishment party making in roads having already replaced Douglas Carswell MP with Douglas Carswell MP, they have now replaced Mark Reckless MP with er... Mark Reckless MP. Nothing like going against the Westminster establishment and kicking out those that have been on the gravy train (!!)
Ken Clarke raised it on question time last night that these two were always likely to go to UKIP anyway. As much as I detest Farage I have some sort of respect for his manipulation skills, he has got the public to buy into his agenda, he has manipulated other parties MPs to join his campaign, he has manipulated the voters of these two elections to elect the same person and believe that real change has been made.
I wonder if anything like this has ever happened in history?
You keep peddling the "everyone has been manipulated" and "protest vote" cards. It might actually, miraculously, be taken seriously if enough people are ignorant and arrogant enough to believe that people haven't thought for themselves.
UKIP have taken up issues raised by the electorate that the three stale mainstream parties have ignored through fear.
If you've got any issues, take them up with those that have ignored public opinion as opposed to those that have, at last, broken the back of taboo subjects in this country.
Great to see the anti establishment party making in roads having already replaced Douglas Carswell MP with Douglas Carswell MP, they have now replaced Mark Reckless MP with er... Mark Reckless MP. Nothing like going against the Westminster establishment and kicking out those that have been on the gravy train (!!)
Ken Clarke raised it on question time last night that these two were always likely to go to UKIP anyway. As much as I detest Farage I have some sort of respect for his manipulation skills, he has got the public to buy into his agenda, he has manipulated other parties MPs to join his campaign, he has manipulated the voters of these two elections to elect the same person and believe that real change has been made.
I wonder if anything like this has ever happened in history?
You keep peddling the "everyone has been manipulated" and "protest vote" cards. It might actually, miraculously, be taken seriously if enough people are ignorant and arrogant enough to believe that people haven't thought for themselves.
UKIP have taken up issues raised by the electorate that the three stale mainstream parties have ignored through fear.
If you've got any issues, take them up with those that have ignored public opinion as opposed to those that have, at last, broken the back of taboo subjects in this country.
Innit.
Right so accuse me of doing something I haven't and when asked to explain what you mean you refuse?
On your point about mainstream parties ignoring issues through fear, it is precisely the sort of fear UKIP are (incorrectly) peddling that has caused a lot of this. UKIPs policies breakdown simply to: 1. We want out of the EU as it costs us billions. Whilst true that we pay billions towards it there is no mention of the benefits we have received and continue to receive in exchange for our enrolment and contributions. 2. We want out of the EU as there are lots of immigrants coming over. A valid point, but to ignore all the benefits that immigrants bring is ridiculously blinkered. We have benefited from EU migrants and at a time we desperately needed them. Is it sustainable long term? Probably not but to just close the border completely to lower skilled EU migrants does not seem to be the answer. Besides we allow more non EU migrants in on a points based system anyway, yet the discussion is always around EU migrants.
That's about it as far as their policies go. Oh yeah the NHS, apparently Nigel thinks we should privatise it but then realised that was a mistake and so he doesn't really mean that at all.
Now on their two points, what percentage of the population actually think those two are the most important factors facing their lives at the moment? Personally it wouldn't be in my top 5, probably not even in my top 10. Yet, UKIP have manipulated enough people into believing these are two of the most important factors facing Britain today, they really aren't and to believe so is just wrong.
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We have much bigger problems to worry about than the agenda of UKIP at the moment yet the build up to this election will primarily involve talking about immigration and the EU.
Its not one Champagne Socialist comment is it ? Its Brown and his "bigot" statement----its "the Little Englander" racial slur, its the contempt for White Van Man , the tabloid readers, the chavs etc etc etc----Labours core support---they actually HATE their own core support.
Labour is being kicked out of Scotland and now has to crawl back into England and try to regain its core vote with the people its has shown complete and utter contempt for------that noise its me laughing.
<<mischievous grin>>
Also, the claims that this is a protest is nothing but a cop out and is a pathetic excuse by "The 3 main parties lol" not to accept the reality of the situation! 42% suggests it`s anything but a protest!
I wonder if anything like this has ever happened in history?
The 'party' are in thrall to the Unions, but the upper echelons want to be/are middle class champagne socialists and are out of touch with the working class
Unfortunately, when you look at the public faces of the unions, you see thuggish louts who are barely able to string together a comprehensive sentence, such as McCluskey, O'Grady and of course the late Bob Crow. Sure, these people win elections amongst their own lot (with turnouts as high as 15%!) but at a national level they are basically unelectable. Hence the need for the posh twits that make up the majority of their MPs. They might be stupid and out-of-touch but at least they're photogenic (as long as a beggar, a bacon sandwich, a copy of the Sun, an England flag or Myleene Klass aren't about).
So I am not surprissed by her posting. I have never voted Conservative, ( I think my parents would come back and haunt me!) just rather saddened.
basically all parties that come to the table saying they're different are not. UKIP are just like the tories and the greens are old school labour with a coat of green paint.
No-one comes out of it clean. I think we agree on that, at least.
You keep peddling the "everyone has been manipulated" and "protest vote" cards. It might actually, miraculously, be taken seriously if enough people are ignorant and arrogant enough to believe that people haven't thought for themselves.
UKIP have taken up issues raised by the electorate that the three stale mainstream parties have ignored through fear.
If you've got any issues, take them up with those that have ignored public opinion as opposed to those that have, at last, broken the back of taboo subjects in this country.
Innit.
On your point about mainstream parties ignoring issues through fear, it is precisely the sort of fear UKIP are (incorrectly) peddling that has caused a lot of this. UKIPs policies breakdown simply to:
1. We want out of the EU as it costs us billions. Whilst true that we pay billions towards it there is no mention of the benefits we have received and continue to receive in exchange for our enrolment and contributions.
2. We want out of the EU as there are lots of immigrants coming over. A valid point, but to ignore all the benefits that immigrants bring is ridiculously blinkered. We have benefited from EU migrants and at a time we desperately needed them. Is it sustainable long term? Probably not but to just close the border completely to lower skilled EU migrants does not seem to be the answer. Besides we allow more non EU migrants in on a points based system anyway, yet the discussion is always around EU migrants.
That's about it as far as their policies go. Oh yeah the NHS, apparently Nigel thinks we should privatise it but then realised that was a mistake and so he doesn't really mean that at all.
Now on their two points, what percentage of the population actually think those two are the most important factors facing their lives at the moment? Personally it wouldn't be in my top 5, probably not even in my top 10. Yet, UKIP have manipulated enough people into believing these are two of the most important factors facing Britain today, they really aren't and to believe so is just wrong.