UKIP are doing well because they represent the working class, Labour do not, and are not called "The Conservatives."
Also did you know that despite Farage being another one of these posh boys bla bla bla who earnt a load of money in the city bla bla bla, he didn't go to University?
I would say, the working class think the same but they couldn't be more wrong.
UKIP are doing well because they represent the working class, Labour do not, and are not called "The Conservatives."
Also did you know that despite Farage being another one of these posh boys bla bla bla who earnt a load of money in the city bla bla bla, he didn't go to University?
I would say, the working class think the same but they couldn't be more wrong.
I don't know who is right or wrong, and it isn't really my place to say, but I know that telling people "you are wrong" constantly will only strengthen their resolve.
Would anyone really want to live next door to a man who hangs England and West ham flags from his house during the world cup and leaves them there until they decay? He needs to take down the flags clean his block paving and stop behaving like a slob. Guess I've failed the snob test.
UKIP are doing well because they represent the working class, Labour do not, and are not called "The Conservatives."
Also did you know that despite Farage being another one of these posh boys bla bla bla who earnt a load of money in the city bla bla bla, he didn't go to University?
I would say, the working class think the same but they couldn't be more wrong.
He didn't go to University? Must be bloody thick, everyone goes to University ( Uni ) these days. If he had gone to Uni he might have met some very nice foreign students and realised that we live in an age of diversity.
If I was in charge of Labour the first thing I would do to head off UKIP in the north is to rip up all the candidate lists for the the forthcoming election. It must stick in the craw to Labours traditional voters that so many safe seats are handed to favoured candidates who have no connection to the constituencies. If Labour had an influx of locally popular MP's who don't talk like PPP clones they could kill the charge that they no longer understand, represent or even like their traditional base. Of course if these kind of people were elected on mass they would probably challenge a lot of Labours sacred cows which none of current leadership wants so I wouldn't hold my breath.
If UKIP are supposed to represent the working class, then it seems to be the cheesed off working class. UKIP and their supporters are good at declaring what they don't like, which is fair enough, but I don't see much in terms of ideas about what they would do in wider government. If the aspirations of the working class, or any class, is peace, prosperity, security, decent services, support for children and dignity in old age then they had better explain how they're going to do that kind of stuff. To go on and on about how all our problems would be solved if we weren't in Europe is manifestly unrealistic without some kind of plan of their own, is there a plan that would stand up, and indeed 'represent the working class'? UKIP still come over to me as basically exploitative chancers, who maybe see some kind of personal economic opportunities for their 'class' if they keep thrashing around as they so loudly are.
Sod them all I hate politics right now. I'd love to see a black, female, disabled, working class priminister just once just too prove we don't have a nation of bigots.
Sod them all I hate politics right now. I'd love to see a black, female, disabled, working class priminister just once just too prove we don't have a nation of bigots.
How is this worthy of a flag? Just asking?
Maybe the person flagging it thought it a bit strong to label an entire nation as being bigots when someone fitting that profile has never stood for election.
Even if they did stand and didn't get elected, that wouldn't mean the nation are bigots.
Sod them all I hate politics right now. I'd love to see a black, female, disabled, working class priminister just once just too prove we don't have a nation of bigots.
How is this worthy of a flag? Just asking?
Maybe the person flagging it thought it a bit strong to label an entire nation as being bigots when someone fitting that profile has never stood for election.
Even if they did stand and didn't get elected, that wouldn't mean the nation are bigots.
I could be wrong though (about the reasoning).
I see what you mean, I wasn't calling the nation bigots but said it would be nice to have a person elected which will prove we're not. This UKIP rise is concerning a bit though as I never expected such a right wing party to rise so fast.
Sod them all I hate politics right now. I'd love to see a black, female, disabled, working class priminister just once just too prove we don't have a nation of bigots.
How is this worthy of a flag? Just asking?
Maybe the person flagging it thought it a bit strong to label an entire nation as being bigots when someone fitting that profile has never stood for election.
Even if they did stand and didn't get elected, that wouldn't mean the nation are bigots.
I could be wrong though (about the reasoning).
I see what you mean, I wasn't calling the nation bigots but said it would be nice to have a person elected which will prove we're not. This UKIP rise is concerning a bit though as I never expected such a right wing party to rise so fast.
ask yourself why they've risen so quickly, they're a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
A few facts about MPs. Some surprising others less so. (From wiki) We certainly can't meet @sadiejane1981's full criteria but we get close! I particularly like the concept of having a dead MP.
Youngest ever: Christopher Monck, returned as Knight of the Shire for Devon on 8 January 1666/7, at the age of 13 years and 148 days.
Oldest ever: Up for debate. It may be Sir Francis Knollys (c.1550–1648) who is believed to have been around 90 when he died as member for Reading; but he may have been 97 or 98. (As he was elected around the age of 25, he may have served a staggering 70-odd years as an MP!) The oldest MP whose exact dates are known was Samuel Young (1822–1918) who was MP for East Cavan from 1892 (when aged 70) until his death at the age of 96 years 63 days.
Posthumous MPs: Edward Legge (1710–47) was elected unopposed as MP for Portsmouth on 15 December 1747, four days before news arrived that he had died 87 days previously in the West Indies. In 1780 John Kirkman was elected as MP for the City of London despite passing away before polls closed. (I bet they both did more in Parliament than Gordon Brown has managed after the last election.)
First women: The first woman elected to the House of Commons was Constance Markievicz who was elected on 14 December 1918 to the constituency of Dublin St Patrick's, but she refused to take her seat as she was a member of Sinn Féin. The first woman to take her seat as an MP was Conservative Nancy Astor elected 28 November 1919. Ethnic Minorities: Dadabhai Naoroji was the first Asian MP elected in 1892 for Finsbury Central (Liberal). Mancherjee Bhownagree Second Asian MP elected 1895 (Conservative). Dianne Abbot first black female MP 1987 (Labour). Mohammad Sarwar first Muslim MP 1997 (Labour).
First Physically disabled MP: Sir Francis Bryan, MP for Buckinghamshire in 1529, who lost an eye in a tournament in 1526. But perhaps more interesting the second one: William Page, MP for Bridport in 1559, Oxford 1562-71, and Saltash 1571-81, who had a hand cut off in lieu of execution for distributing a political pamphlet in 1579! There are also a whole host of disabled MPs who suffered injuries during their service in the military.
A few random facts about MPs' deaths:
Hundreds of MPs have died on active service. Perhaps the most famous being Sir Francis Drake. There were 24 MPs who died on active service in WWI and, coincidently, 24 in WWII. Most were, as you'd expect quite high ranking officers but, one, Conservative MP Pat Munro, was a private in the Home Guard. A couple of hundred MPs (or ex-MPs) have died from accidents. Mostly falling off horses (or in Robert Maxwell's case a yacht) but a few notable deaths include one who was pulled over a cliff by hounds when hunting, a couple of drownings in the River Thames and one down a well, a few who accidentally shot themselves, one while escorting French prisoners of war, a few more drownings while drunk, another who died of rabies from a fox bite, an accidental barbiturate overdose (but he was a doctor so....), two choking on chicken bones and a truly heroic single case of autoerotic asphyxiation. 19 have been killed in a duel, 42 have been murdered, 92 committed suicide, 8 simply disappeared and a couple of hundred were executed or died in prison - the last being Bobby Sands in 1981. But on the bright side, only around 14 of those were hanged, drawn and quartered. Perhaps the most bonkers and in relation to the regicide of Charles I (as were a significant number of the others) was a certain Henry Ireton. Charles II had his body exhumed so it could be hanged drawn and quartered posthumously. I know they say revenge is a dish best served cold but that does seem extreme.
What about that Tory MP that died in the 1990s. When he was found dead. he was naked except for women's knickers and a tangerine in his mouth. Or something like that.
What about that Tory MP that died in the 1990s. When he was found dead. he was naked except for women's knickers and a tangerine in his mouth. Or something like that.
think that is the 'truly heroic single case of autoerotic asphyxiation' mentioned
Surely not as bad as having ex BNP activists like the Tories and Labour.
Thought I'd quote this again seeing as everyone has ignored it
It was probably ignored because it's not relevant to the point being made.
The point made by the image was that UKIP are a party of ex-Tories and not a party of change, even though they are campaigning on the basis that they are a change from the Labour/Conservative/Liberal parties.
That might be true or untrue, I don't really know, but it's not contradicted by saying that other parties are filled with ex-BNP activists.
If the original point was that UKIP are full of ex-BNP activists, then yes, it would be relevant to say that the Conservatives/Labour are too (if they are). The way it was said is just a case of whataboutery.
Well that's a fair point. On the topic at hand, the labour party couldn't be further from the working man's party.
Unlimited immigration leading to complete saturation of the unskilled labour market (check)
Rejection of grammar schools which gives the less financially privileged a chance to thrive in an academic environment (check)
Their leader got a cushy job off the back of his family friend, Tony Benn (Check)
Lives in a £2.3million house (Check)
wow, this guy can really relate to people. Slag off Farage all you like with regards to his "i'm not part of the establishment" lines but at least he's got up everyday and gone to work trading metals or whatever it was he did.
Surely not as bad as having ex BNP activists like the Tories and Labour.
Thought I'd quote this again seeing as everyone has ignored it
heaven forbid some one supports more than one party in their lives.
I don't have a problem with that at all. But others seem to believe that UKIP is just another Tory party. On that basis, The ex BNP activists within the labour and Tory governments make them another string of the BNP! (obviously a ridiculous assertion but it's the same argument).
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Party to represent the working man? Hmmmm............
They left the Tory party because they are anti EU whereas the Tories are pro.
If the aspirations of the working class, or any class, is peace, prosperity, security, decent services, support for children and dignity in old age then they had better explain how they're going to do that kind of stuff. To go on and on about how all our problems would be solved if we weren't in Europe is manifestly unrealistic without some kind of plan of their own, is there a plan that would stand up, and indeed 'represent the working class'?
UKIP still come over to me as basically exploitative chancers, who maybe see some kind of personal economic opportunities for their 'class' if they keep thrashing around as they so loudly are.
Even if they did stand and didn't get elected, that wouldn't mean the nation are bigots.
I could be wrong though (about the reasoning).
Youngest ever: Christopher Monck, returned as Knight of the Shire for Devon on 8 January 1666/7, at the age of 13 years and 148 days.
Oldest ever: Up for debate. It may be Sir Francis Knollys (c.1550–1648) who is believed to have been around 90 when he died as member for Reading; but he may have been 97 or 98. (As he was elected around the age of 25, he may have served a staggering 70-odd years as an MP!) The oldest MP whose exact dates are known was Samuel Young (1822–1918) who was MP for East Cavan from 1892 (when aged 70) until his death at the age of 96 years 63 days.
Posthumous MPs: Edward Legge (1710–47) was elected unopposed as MP for Portsmouth on 15 December 1747, four days before news arrived that he had died 87 days previously in the West Indies. In 1780 John Kirkman was elected as MP for the City of London despite passing away before polls closed. (I bet they both did more in Parliament than Gordon Brown has managed after the last election.)
First women: The first woman elected to the House of Commons was Constance Markievicz who was elected on 14 December 1918 to the constituency of Dublin St Patrick's, but she refused to take her seat as she was a member of Sinn Féin. The first woman to take her seat as an MP was Conservative Nancy Astor elected 28 November 1919.
Ethnic Minorities: Dadabhai Naoroji was the first Asian MP elected in 1892 for Finsbury Central (Liberal). Mancherjee Bhownagree Second Asian MP elected 1895 (Conservative). Dianne Abbot first black female MP 1987 (Labour). Mohammad Sarwar first Muslim MP 1997 (Labour).
First Physically disabled MP: Sir Francis Bryan, MP for Buckinghamshire in 1529, who lost an eye in a tournament in 1526.
But perhaps more interesting the second one: William Page, MP for Bridport in 1559, Oxford 1562-71, and Saltash 1571-81, who had a hand cut off in lieu of execution for distributing a political pamphlet in 1579! There are also a whole host of disabled MPs who suffered injuries during their service in the military.
A few random facts about MPs' deaths:
Hundreds of MPs have died on active service. Perhaps the most famous being Sir Francis Drake. There were
24 MPs who died on active service in WWI and, coincidently, 24 in WWII. Most were, as you'd expect quite high ranking officers but, one, Conservative MP Pat Munro, was a private in the Home Guard.
A couple of hundred MPs (or ex-MPs) have died from accidents. Mostly falling off horses (or in Robert Maxwell's case a yacht) but a few notable deaths include one who was pulled over a cliff by hounds when hunting, a couple of drownings in the River Thames and one down a well, a few who accidentally shot themselves, one while escorting French prisoners of war, a few more drownings while drunk, another who died of rabies from a fox bite, an accidental barbiturate overdose (but he was a doctor so....), two choking on chicken bones and a truly heroic single case of autoerotic asphyxiation.
19 have been killed in a duel, 42 have been murdered, 92 committed suicide, 8 simply disappeared and a couple of hundred were executed or died in prison - the last being Bobby Sands in 1981. But on the bright side, only around 14 of those were hanged, drawn and quartered.
Perhaps the most bonkers and in relation to the regicide of Charles I (as were a significant number of the others) was a certain Henry Ireton. Charles II had his body exhumed so it could be hanged drawn and quartered posthumously. I know they say revenge is a dish best served cold but that does seem extreme.
Who'd be an MP?
Surely not as bad as having ex BNP activists like the Tories and Labour.
Thought I'd quote this again seeing as everyone has ignored it
Yet, the fact that exist within the Labour and Tory ranks gets absolutely no mention.
The point made by the image was that UKIP are a party of ex-Tories and not a party of change, even though they are campaigning on the basis that they are a change from the Labour/Conservative/Liberal parties.
That might be true or untrue, I don't really know, but it's not contradicted by saying that other parties are filled with ex-BNP activists.
If the original point was that UKIP are full of ex-BNP activists, then yes, it would be relevant to say that the Conservatives/Labour are too (if they are). The way it was said is just a case of whataboutery.
Thought I'd quote this again seeing as everyone has ignored it
heaven forbid some one supports more than one party in their lives.
Unlimited immigration leading to complete saturation of the unskilled labour market (check)
Rejection of grammar schools which gives the less financially privileged a chance to thrive in an academic environment (check)
Their leader got a cushy job off the back of his family friend, Tony Benn (Check)
Lives in a £2.3million house (Check)
wow, this guy can really relate to people. Slag off Farage all you like with regards to his "i'm not part of the establishment" lines but at least he's got up everyday and gone to work trading metals or whatever it was he did.
heaven forbid some one supports more than one party in their lives.
I don't have a problem with that at all. But others seem to believe that UKIP is just another Tory party. On that basis, The ex BNP activists within the labour and Tory governments make them another string of the BNP! (obviously a ridiculous assertion but it's the same argument).