I suspect Mr Bligh is the WUM who has appeared recently under various guises, slagging off decent players to get a reaction. Not a long term poster, perhaps admin can investigate. Suspect we just have to ignore his posts and he'll go away or reinvent himself. Doubt he is CAFC because he doesn't quote specific passages of play.
WOW!
As Len says (thanks Len!) I have been here longer than you harvs and I am only giving my opinion. I'm not trying to wind anyone up, I have much better things to do with my time thanks mate! We all see the game differently, that is the whole point of a forum believe it or not, I'm saying what I see, you think i'm wrong, I think you're wrong, that's kind of how it works!
Multiple accounts? reinvent myself?.....pure LOL! (I'd also have a look at getting them glasses sorted old boy as in my previous posts I did quote a passage of play in the first half yesterday?!?!)
What we are trying when SH has ball is a clever low risk strategy. The CMs go wide and high. If nobody presses they or Buyens can bring ball out and FBs add numbers in middle. Out ball is keeper hoof. It has been sussed early doors for several matches leading to high pressing. We need to alternate full backs coming back as options and playing as above. Keep them guessing. Long from keeper won't work with no target man.
I think this is about right. More generally, it's hard to make the passing game Bob Peeters wants to play work really effectively unless all outfield players are on the same wavelength, are all able to find space, are all comfortable receiving the ball and then are all able to quickly find an option and move the ball on.
Whether this is the case is as much about the type of players we have rather than how good they are per se and/or how effective they might be in a more attritional and direct style.
It's clear that Peeters is going to persevere, but unfortunately players like Jackson, Wilson and even Wiggins (who has been one of my favourites since he signed) appear not that well suited to a quick, pass and move style of play. In turn, this puts much more pressure on those players who are central to the game plan and on Buyens in particular.
As I noted above, Ben Haim and Gudmundsson would have made a big difference yesterday had they been available, not just because they are both good players in their own right, but because they both have the ability to play the way their Manager wants them to.
Bob Peeters is Head Coach not Manager and I believe that distinction is significant. I'm sure it means there'll be more focus on how the team plays (and I don't simply mean tactically) and on developing players. It will be interesting to see how this evolves, but improvement is needed in a number of areas, not just upfront alongside Vetokele, before we'll have a First XI that's capable of mounting a serious promotion challenge.
Mr Bligh, apologies if I mis-identified you as a troll but your critic of Wilson doesn't seem to be backed up by specifics. Hiding? Not for me. More likely standing innocently ready to make the two runs yesterday that could have given goals. His biggest mistake yesterday was crossing the Morro through ball when nobody between him and the box. If you didn't spot that you probably don't have a great appreciation of the game.
I suspect some people need someone to slag and for that reason this season has probably been a bit disappointing fog them so far. Wilson has been very good and to say otherwise is ridiculous. Mind you, some people scored Buyens the same as Wiggins, how can that possibly be right?
still being a little bit knob-ish but hey let's leave it there
i bow to your superior appreciation of the game
Sorry to be a knob but my posting history shows I actually go to matches and comment on issues pertaining to incidents in games. Hadn't appreciated your input cos rarely on post match threads that I can remember. I'm now East a block, previously NU. How about you?
15yrs consecutive ST holder including four years when living in Bristol and travelling to the valley whilst par dew/parky ruined us(missed three home games in that time.)
Didn't cheap out, still sit in the NU so have a better view of whether players are hiding behind defenders than someone sitting in the corner of the ground. Now bore off, you're getting a bit tedious
What we are trying when SH has ball is a clever low risk strategy. The CMs go wide and high. If nobody presses they or Buyens can bring ball out and FBs add numbers in middle. Out ball is keeper hoof. It has been sussed early doors for several matches leading to high pressing. We need to alternate full backs coming back as options and playing as above. Keep them guessing. Long from keeper won't work with no target man.
I think this is about right. More generally, it's hard to make the passing game Bob Peeters wants to play work really effectively unless all outfield players are on the same wavelength, are all able to find space, are all comfortable receiving the ball and then are all able to quickly find an option and move the ball on.
Whether this is the case is as much about the type of players we have rather than how good they are per se and/or how effective they might be in a more attritional and direct style.
It's clear that Peeters is going to persevere, but unfortunately players like Jackson, Wilson and even Wiggins (who has been one of my favourites since he signed) appear not that well suited to a quick, pass and move style of play. In turn, this puts much more pressure on those players who are central to the game plan and on Buyens in particular.
As I noted above, Ben Haim and Gudmundsson would have made a big difference yesterday had they been available, not just because they are both good players in their own right, but because they both have the ability to play the way their Manager wants them to.
Bob Peeters is Head Coach not Manager and I believe that distinction is significant. I'm sure it means there'll be more focus on how the team plays (and I don't simply mean tactically) and on developing players. It will be interesting to see how this evolves, but improvement is needed in a number of areas, not just upfront alongside Vetokele, before we'll have a First XI that's capable of mounting a serious promotion challenge.
Much of what you say is fair comment but I disagree on certain players not being suited to a quick pass and move game. Wiggins is especially capable of playing this way and has shown this when he makes his overlapping runs and gets behind the full backs - just don't see anything like enough of this system. Jackson can benefit from a pass and move game and can play little triangles and then make the run behind the defender to get on the end of an incisive pass - remember his super goal against Watford at the end of last season, as an example. I'm not sure, however, how much JJ has left in his tank to play at this level. What we are lacking - and I know not the solution, is more aggressive approach play involving one or two touch in a forward direction - short passing, incisive passing - but this requires bags of movement at pace. The other benefit of faster, slicker one & two touch is it allows players off the ball to create more damage by way of diagonal runs and third man running, for example.
Would love to see Danny Haynes up front for as he forces defences to sit deeper as they fear his pace and this creates space behind him. That would give the midfield a lot more time on the ball.
I wonder what it will be like on here when/if we lose a game.
It won't be a happy valley that's for sure!
Based on the bloke behind us yesterday plus the couple in the same row who spend the time checking premiership results and their betting slips, it isn't already
I wonder what it will be like on here when/if we lose a game.
It won't be a happy valley that's for sure!
Based on the bloke behind us yesterday plus the couple in the same row who spend the time checking premiership results and their betting slips, it isn't already
Too true. In sixteen years of having a season ticket he is the most miserable constant moaning 'fan' I've ever had displeasure of sitting near.
I gave up reading after the first page of this thread. I agree it wasn't flowing, scintillating football but boring? We created a number of decent attacking situations but were let down by poor final balls on a number of occasions and some poor finishing. Wilson and Solly should have scored second half, Igor was unlucky with a chance first half.
We are still very much a work in progress. And look at the bench. Take Moussa and Harriott out and they had about ten league appearances between them. Give Bob time, he'll sort it out.
Ok we are unbeaten and it's a great start without a doubt, but people are only stating the obvious, we have been pushing our luck a little when many people myself included feel that at home teams have been there for the taking and we seem to sit off them and let them dictate the play , when maybe pushing on and looking for the 2nd or 3rd goal would ease the pressure , still feel another forward and maybe someone else in the middle who could create more ie keep us ticking over is a must.
Once Jacko went off, no leadership, no players talking to each other, nothing from the manager.
Once Jacko went off we had a 2-minute spell of fluent possession that ended in a corner, and we largely dominated the game thereafter. While Jacko was on the field, we looked absolutely desperate. After the substitution, Buyens suddenly had a football transplant and went from a bumbling sack of uselessness to a midfield dominator. I'm not saying, but I'm saying.
Agree 100% - Buyens was a different player after that - coincidence?
Was a shocking game and we really let them off the hook after our goal. Birmingham were kak for the first fifteen and I said to my mate 5 minutes after our goal - we'd better get back at them or they'll ease into the game and, sure enough....
Not enough movement and way too much long ball, especially from Henderson. Vetokele does climb high for a little fella but the long balls were picked off by their 6'4" central defender almost without exception.
I drive to and from Ipswich to watch CAFC and it does leave me a little p*ssed off driving home and wondering why the players didn't perform on the back of an excellent away victory on Tuesday night.
Didn't lose, though, so, onwards & upwards!
The change afforded another striker ahead of the midfield, more options, more outlets, and Jackson would have looked better had Buyens gone off too.
If you look at our set up then you'll maybe see why Buyens increasingly struggles when on the ball. Look how many players he has in front of him - 1, possibly 2 so, a sideways pass or, easier still, a back pass is often his option. Yesterday, Birmingham realised this and stuck two midfielders or wingers who are tucking in to narrow the play, in BEHIND Buyens - in between him and his defenders thus blocking or reducing their access to the back pass. So, as such, Buyens is on the ball with much reduced options and he gets over run and loses possession. Make no bones about it, Buyens can play and can create but he is used to having options around him that currently aren't there as they should be. You give Yoni time on the ball through good support and he'll create things. We have seen what he can do when he's feeling good about his game - give him his mojo back!
The game would be a lot easier without the opponents, eh...
pretty late gettin my views in, but with that ipswich win today we are only two points from top. Id rather be in 7th, 2 points from the top than in the last playoff place 4 from the top. I agree probably one of the shittiest games weve played to date but a point is a point. A good time for the break and then we come back with 3 straight games we have a good chance of winning. To those of you saying that Igor was playing lazy, your views are shit, we all know he needs a decent strike partner, although i still think george and frederic still can be effective if bob uses them right. So cheer up lads, Results will improve
I also agree about whingers. Sick to bloody death of moaning tossers who must take the problems from their miserable little lives to the valley every week. On top of that they then come on here and single out a player they can slag as well. THINK,,, " Why do we keep winning the Ryder Cup"?. When you work out the answer you will realise why slagging off a player is pointless. It's a team game. Players go through good and bad patches and that's it.
Frustrating day that started with shit traffic on the M11 (shouldn't live in Essex) leading to a jog to the ground and arriving at the top of the steps in the NWQ a fraction of a second after Igor had scored Any sort of crowd noise and I may have found that extra step to have seen the goal but hey this is Charlton so silence and lack of atmosphere is the norm ..... I must have missed the good stuff cos we were pretty dull for the remainder Thank goodness the dumb Brum tapped in the goal bound effort for it to be disallowed
the reality is we are in a dream position but as WSS mentions it has the potential of the we're still 5th season , where you knew performances and results from us and those around us left us in a position that was "false" and eventually those performances and other teams results would change and leave us in a more realistic position I for one will be surprised if we finish top ten unless there is at least two decent signings Not gonna single anyone out for praise because no one stood out and our position is so good I'll ignore some of the ponyness that some possess in that hideous home shirt.
0% top two ......... 5% 3rd-6th .........55% 7th-12th ......45% 13th-21st...... 0% Relegation
Again, where do you get these percentages from? You're never going to let on.....
pretty late gettin my views in, but with that ipswich win today we are only two points from top. Id rather be in 7th, 2 points from the top than in the last playoff place 4 from the top. I agree probably one of the shittiest games weve played to date but a point is a point. A good time for the break and then we come back with 3 straight games we have a good chance of winning. To those of you saying that Igor was playing lazy, your views are shit, we all know he needs a decent strike partner, although i still think george and frederic still can be effective if bob uses them right. So cheer up lads, Results will improve
There were many games towards the end of last season that Jose knew we couldn't win so he concentrated on those we could. This team has a totally different mindset and went to Norwich, dug in and won as well as beating or holding their own against the best in the Division. That is a massively positive step forward. Just frustrating that we didn't push on after Igor's goal and let Brum in it - that's football..
Bulot's early, whipped-in cross and Igor, losing his marker so easily was a sweet moment and right in front of us - pure quality!
Once Jacko went off, no leadership, no players talking to each other, nothing from the manager.
Once Jacko went off we had a 2-minute spell of fluent possession that ended in a corner, and we largely dominated the game thereafter. While Jacko was on the field, we looked absolutely desperate. After the substitution, Buyens suddenly had a football transplant and went from a bumbling sack of uselessness to a midfield dominator. I'm not saying, but I'm saying.
Agree 100% - Buyens was a different player after that - coincidence?
Was a shocking game and we really let them off the hook after our goal. Birmingham were kak for the first fifteen and I said to my mate 5 minutes after our goal - we'd better get back at them or they'll ease into the game and, sure enough....
Not enough movement and way too much long ball, especially from Henderson. Vetokele does climb high for a little fella but the long balls were picked off by their 6'4" central defender almost without exception.
I drive to and from Ipswich to watch CAFC and it does leave me a little p*ssed off driving home and wondering why the players didn't perform on the back of an excellent away victory on Tuesday night.
Didn't lose, though, so, onwards & upwards!
The change afforded another striker ahead of the midfield, more options, more outlets, and Jackson would have looked better had Buyens gone off too.
If you look at our set up then you'll maybe see why Buyens increasingly struggles when on the ball. Look how many players he has in front of him - 1, possibly 2 so, a sideways pass or, easier still, a back pass is often his option. Yesterday, Birmingham realised this and stuck two midfielders or wingers who are tucking in to narrow the play, in BEHIND Buyens - in between him and his defenders thus blocking or reducing their access to the back pass. So, as such, Buyens is on the ball with much reduced options and he gets over run and loses possession. Make no bones about it, Buyens can play and can create but he is used to having options around him that currently aren't there as they should be. You give Yoni time on the ball through good support and he'll create things. We have seen what he can do when he's feeling good about his game - give him his mojo back!
The game would be a lot easier without the opponents, eh...
It"s much about reacting to what your opponents are doing and making the necessary tweeks to overcome their changes, as and when they make them. At times we were overrun in midfield but all credit to Brum, they pressed and harried.
Morrison, to his credit, looked to pass the ball out of defence mainly to Buyens and, to a lesser extent, Solly. Birmingham cut off these options after 15 mins and Morrison didn't have the skill/confidence to find other players. He still kept trying to pass but found Buyens in very tight positions leading to some (not all!) of Buyens' 'mistakes'.
TBH, in these situations, is able to change his pace, take the ball forward a few more yards and find more advanced players e.g. Gudmundsson. Also, we could really do with an experienced forward who can see when this is happening and quickly come deep off his marker to receive from the centre back and bring the other midfielders into play.
For me, this is why a good hold up forward is an essential piece of loan business.
TBH, in these situations, is able to change his pace, take the ball forward a few more yards and find more advanced players e.g. Gudmundsson. Also, we could really do with an experienced forward who can see when this is happening and quickly come deep off his marker to receive from the centre back and bring the other midfielders into play.
For me, this is why a good hold up forward is an essential piece of loan business.
There is a cheap option for the hold up man....get Deon Burton back.
Frustrating day that started with shit traffic on the M11 (shouldn't live in Essex) leading to a jog to the ground and arriving at the top of the steps in the NWQ a fraction of a second after Igor had scored Any sort of crowd noise and I may have found that extra step to have seen the goal but hey this is Charlton so silence and lack of atmosphere is the norm ..... I must have missed the good stuff cos we were pretty dull for the remainder Thank goodness the dumb Brum tapped in the goal bound effort for it to be disallowed
the reality is we are in a dream position but as WSS mentions it has the potential of the we're still 5th season , where you knew performances and results from us and those around us left us in a position that was "false" and eventually those performances and other teams results would change and leave us in a more realistic position I for one will be surprised if we finish top ten unless there is at least two decent signings Not gonna single anyone out for praise because no one stood out and our position is so good I'll ignore some of the ponyness that some possess in that hideous home shirt.
0% top two ......... 5% 3rd-6th .........55% 7th-12th ......45% 13th-21st...... 0% Relegation
Again, where do you get these percentages from? You're never going to let on.....
Is it a secret algorithm?
It's his opinion. He doesn't "get them" from anywhere.
Frustrating day that started with shit traffic on the M11 (shouldn't live in Essex) leading to a jog to the ground and arriving at the top of the steps in the NWQ a fraction of a second after Igor had scored Any sort of crowd noise and I may have found that extra step to have seen the goal but hey this is Charlton so silence and lack of atmosphere is the norm ..... I must have missed the good stuff cos we were pretty dull for the remainder Thank goodness the dumb Brum tapped in the goal bound effort for it to be disallowed
the reality is we are in a dream position but as WSS mentions it has the potential of the we're still 5th season , where you knew performances and results from us and those around us left us in a position that was "false" and eventually those performances and other teams results would change and leave us in a more realistic position I for one will be surprised if we finish top ten unless there is at least two decent signings Not gonna single anyone out for praise because no one stood out and our position is so good I'll ignore some of the ponyness that some possess in that hideous home shirt.
0% top two ......... 5% 3rd-6th .........55% 7th-12th ......45% 13th-21st...... 0% Relegation
Again, where do you get these percentages from? You're never going to let on.....
Is it a secret algorithm?
It's his opinion. He doesn't "get them" from anywhere.
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As Len says (thanks Len!) I have been here longer than you harvs and I am only giving my opinion. I'm not trying to wind anyone up, I have much better things to do with my time thanks mate! We all see the game differently, that is the whole point of a forum believe it or not, I'm saying what I see, you think i'm wrong, I think you're wrong, that's kind of how it works!
Multiple accounts? reinvent myself?.....pure LOL! (I'd also have a look at getting them glasses sorted old boy as in my previous posts I did quote a passage of play in the first half yesterday?!?!)
Disagree with me all you want but don't be a knob
Whether this is the case is as much about the type of players we have rather than how good they are per se and/or how effective they might be in a more attritional and direct style.
It's clear that Peeters is going to persevere, but unfortunately players like Jackson, Wilson and even Wiggins (who has been one of my favourites since he signed) appear not that well suited to a quick, pass and move style of play. In turn, this puts much more pressure on those players who are central to the game plan and on Buyens in particular.
As I noted above, Ben Haim and Gudmundsson would have made a big difference yesterday had they been available, not just because they are both good players in their own right, but because they both have the ability to play the way their Manager wants them to.
Bob Peeters is Head Coach not Manager and I believe that distinction is significant. I'm sure it means there'll be more focus on how the team plays (and I don't simply mean tactically) and on developing players. It will be interesting to see how this evolves, but improvement is needed in a number of areas, not just upfront alongside Vetokele, before we'll have a First XI that's capable of mounting a serious promotion challenge.
i bow to your superior appreciation of the game
Didn't cheap out, still sit in the NU so have a better view of whether players are hiding behind defenders than someone sitting in the corner of the ground. Now bore off, you're getting a bit tedious
Wiggins is especially capable of playing this way and has shown this when he makes his overlapping runs and gets behind the full backs - just don't see anything like enough of this system.
Jackson can benefit from a pass and move game and can play little triangles and then make the run behind the defender to get on the end of an incisive pass - remember his super goal against Watford at the end of last season, as an example.
I'm not sure, however, how much JJ has left in his tank to play at this level.
What we are lacking - and I know not the solution, is more aggressive approach play involving one or two touch in a forward direction - short passing, incisive passing - but this requires bags of movement at pace.
The other benefit of faster, slicker one & two touch is it allows players off the ball to create more damage by way of diagonal runs and third man running, for example.
Would love to see Danny Haynes up front for as he forces defences to sit deeper as they fear his pace and this creates space behind him. That would give the midfield a lot more time on the ball.
We are still very much a work in progress. And look at the bench. Take Moussa and Harriott out and they had about ten league appearances between them. Give Bob time, he'll sort it out.
Is it a secret algorithm?
This team has a totally different mindset and went to Norwich, dug in and won as well as beating or holding their own against the best in the Division.
That is a massively positive step forward.
Just frustrating that we didn't push on after Igor's goal and let Brum in it - that's football..
Bulot's early, whipped-in cross and Igor, losing his marker so easily was a sweet moment and right in front of us - pure quality!
At times we were overrun in midfield but all credit to Brum, they pressed and harried.
Morrison, to his credit, looked to pass the ball out of defence mainly to Buyens and, to a lesser extent, Solly. Birmingham cut off these options after 15 mins and Morrison didn't have the skill/confidence to find other players. He still kept trying to pass but found Buyens in very tight positions leading to some (not all!) of Buyens' 'mistakes'.
TBH, in these situations, is able to change his pace, take the ball forward a few more yards and find more advanced players e.g. Gudmundsson. Also, we could really do with an experienced forward who can see when this is happening and quickly come deep off his marker to receive from the centre back and bring the other midfielders into play.
For me, this is why a good hold up forward is an essential piece of loan business.
Is this just Pointless !