Red red robin! Soon to be ditched!
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I can see where she is coming from as a newcomer/foreigner looking in, taken an Aussie mate to a few games at the valley and he always bags me about the RRR, despite being an AFL fan (they all have similar but cringier songs). Also bear in mind that it isn't exactly belted out by our support and is naturally one of the first things she would have noticed on a matchday. That being said it must and will stay.0
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Yet another thread that justifies calls for an ignore button..0
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I'm actually glad they're looking into this (although I'd be mortified if they got rid of it). It shows that at least they're doing all they can to make our matchday experience as good as they possibly can. Hopefully, they'll realise that some things are best left alone.............Super_Eddie_Youds said:Fair play, amazed that is real - incredible though it is. Does it mean they don't have better things to think about or they do? I'm all confused. One thing is for sure, running out to the red red robin has had nothing to do with whether we win or lose.
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Utterly with you on this BenHenry Irving said:The same was said to the two younger people in our group when they had a chat with KM in Belguim.
So not a lie or a wind up.
Credit to her for asking fans views but dropping it is a terrible idea as said to her in an email.
Replacing it has no long term benefits but lots and lots of negatives.
We can be a generic club with generic meaningless music or we can be Charlton. Your choice.
And it won't appear on any survey I am involved with (joke or not)
Want to be franchise FC? this is the first step
Some traditions are harmful and wrong shd be changed, others are to be cherished cos they tell us where we come from and who we are.7 -
I wonder how many times we've been through this in the last 30 years. Certainly too many for me to think we would ever allow it, so I don't take it seriously.
This is, however, why I don't "get" the shirt. It seems obvious to me that if you know you are perceived to be a threat to the club's identity - fairly or unfairly - you don't dabble with the symbols that define that identity when there is no practical benefit to doing so.
People have different views about the shirt, but I know a lot who really do not like it. I can't get worked up about it, because it will be gone in 12 months. But to me it's not a Charlton shirt and you shouldn't mess with these things just because you can.
By the way, just how "intimidating" is Millwall's song (which I admit I quite respect as a piece of bespoke nonsense)?10 -
I'm not saying ditch it, but it's not a rousing song is it ?
We wonder why Millwall, (who rarely lose at The Valley) for example, always do so well.
Ok, I know our record at The Den is also poor, but Millwall players and fans, absolutely love it when our players come running out to our namby pamby anthem.
Ok, so perhaps, it's of no consequence, but it's not as intimidating as Let 'em Come and anyone that says it is, will be downright lying.
Just saying #1 -
What we DO need shot of is that embarrassing half-time 'come on' shit, tbf3
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I think its got 2 go0
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I love the Red Red Robin, whenever I hear it I think of my dad and the times he took me to Charlton. I also think of my kids, particularly the eldest who once cried because we arrived late and he missed it - to be fair he was only 19 then ;-) So for me it is a common thread running through three generations of Charlton support. I'm sure there will be other families who have more generations loving this bit of tradition.
To those who say it is not rousing, I blame the fans who don't sing it. As a piece of music, I'd guess its on a par with Blaydon Races of Bubbles - similar age - similar style. Can you imagine the Geordies or the Hammers saying that that their songs aren't rousing? Absolutely not. And not because their songs are any better, but their fans embrace it and make a point of being loud and proud for the club anthem. We should too!
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Is like a bit of Simon Church karaoke in the build up to each match. The welsh male version if Cathy Jenkins.1
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No way Jose, oh sorry he's gone!1
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Doesn't matter what song we've got singing with passion is limited where Charlton fans are concerned
Definitely must keep it , one of the first tunes my boys learned , as it's pumped out on the iPod regularly as the brainwashing takes place3 -
Like it or hate it, the song must stay. If not it's another nail in the Charlton tradition coffin.
First the Red Vee shirt and now the possibility of this happening.2 -
No. It's ours. Anyone here remember the return to the Valley? It was everywhere. Barcelona have a song older than the dinosaurs, and they would'nt dare touch it (mind you, the whole ground sing it when the team run out). Ditto Real Madrid and Bilbao. This is part and parcel of CAFC. I remember hearing it when I first started going with my dad in the seventies, and it stll moves me now. You can argue about sacking managers and selling players, but this is a free yet integral part of the club. Hands off.
Or, as I read in a different context recently.
Yes, I have a nice club anthem. I also have a gun, a shovel and an alibi. Don't touch.4 -
Extract of email sent to KM the day after Germany beat Brazil 7 - 1 and following up on comments made by her in Belgium that the Club were thinking of changing the song as it didn't raise the players or the fans.
"......It was mentioned to some fans in my party that Charlton are thinking of dropping the Red, Red Robin as the music played when we run out.
It is a bad idea for a number of reasons.
No it isn’t something that lifts the players or fans but neither will some generic pop song or faux classical tune.
It is part of the club’s tradition and changing it will upset a lot of people for no real benefit. It will be impossible to find another song that will please a majority of fans as people have such wide tastes in music.
The players might choose some rap or R & B tune which would be out of date in a few years and not liked by most fans. They should be motivated by themselves or the coaches not a pop song. Give us a good team who play as if they care and the fans will make all the noise required.
And most importantly the time to raise the fans’ noise levels isn’t when they run out but as they kick off. There is a 4 or 5 minute gap between the two.
Much better to play “Valley Floyd Road” 30 seconds before kick off and then fade out the music at Kick off to leave the fans singing alone. Similar to other clubs in England and what has happened with Anthems in the world cup.
But as Brazil showed last night singing loudly and passionately before kick off isn’t that important. Leave the Red, Red, Robin where it belongs, please.
It really is a change that has nothing but negative impacts and smacks of being a cheap, badly thought out marketing gimmick (the cross bars debacle comes to mind) unworthy of a traditional football club."
I believe KM uses the @cafc.co.uk email address that all the other staff have.
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Wouldn't be arsed either way. Can see why people would get their backs up but if it happened I really wouldn't be bothered.
If we get goal music though, that's when I try to refund my season ticket1 -
We will all be around long after any change is implemented and reversed. RRR is as much part of our club as the Valley, Red shirts, our sword badge, Sam Bartram and Derek Hales. All have left and returned in some way.
Let them employ brand designers, corporate surveys and brainstorm out of the box, for us, the constant in the club with our generations of unfaltering loyalty its a simple matter of singing our anthem when the players run out, when tucking our children into bed and burying our loved ones.
It's cheesy, outdated and ours that's all that matters even if it gets drowned out by whatever nonsense they felt was better for us.
Live, love, laugh & be happy.8 -
And both those two younger fans made it perfectly clear that it would be sacrilege to change it to anything else. Both sing it at the top of their voices as the team comes out.Henry Irving said:The same was said to the two younger people in our group when they had a chat with KM in Belguim.
So not a lie or a wind up.
Credit to her for asking fans views but dropping it is a terrible idea as said to her in an email.
Replacing it has no long term benefits but lots and lots of negatives.
We can be a generic club with generic meaningless music or we can be Charlton. Your choice.
Even a 16 year old lad knows how tradition is a fundamental part of the British ethos.
Imagine playing Gangnam Style at the Changing of The Guard.
Glad KM is looking at all aspects of the Club, which is encouraging - but even she knows there are somethings you just can't change despite the best of intentions.
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Good E-mail mate. I'm sure they will see senseHenry Irving said:
Extract of email sent to KM the day after Germany beat Brazil 7 - 1 and following up on comments made by her in Belgium that the Club were thinking of changing the song as it didn't raise the players or the fans.
"......It was mentioned to some fans in my party that Charlton are thinking of dropping the Red, Red Robin as the music played when we run out.
It is a bad idea for a number of reasons.
No it isn’t something that lifts the players or fans but neither will some generic pop song or faux classical tune.
It is part of the club’s tradition and changing it will upset a lot of people for no real benefit. It will be impossible to find another song that will please a majority of fans as people have such wide tastes in music.
The players might choose some rap or R & B tune which would be out of date in a few years and not liked by most fans. They should be motivated by themselves or the coaches not a pop song. Give us a good team who play as if they care and the fans will make all the noise required.
And most importantly the time to raise the fans’ noise levels isn’t when they run out but as they kick off. There is a 4 or 5 minute gap between the two.
Much better to play “Valley Floyd Road” 30 seconds before kick off and then fade out the music at Kick off to leave the fans singing alone. Similar to other clubs in England and what has happened with Anthems in the world cup.
But as Brazil showed last night singing loudly and passionately before kick off isn’t that important. Leave the Red, Red, Robin where it belongs, please.
It really is a change that has nothing but negative impacts and smacks of being a cheap, badly thought out marketing gimmick (the cross bars debacle comes to mind) unworthy of a traditional football club."
I believe KM uses the @cafc.co.uk email address that all the other staff have.
we also suggested VFR played before kickoff and faded out so we all sang along. she liked that idea. 0 -
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C4FC4L1f3 said:
Good E-mail mate. I'm sure they will see senseHenry Irving said:
Extract of email sent to KM the day after Germany beat Brazil 7 - 1 and following up on comments made by her in Belgium that the Club were thinking of changing the song as it didn't raise the players or the fans.
"......It was mentioned to some fans in my party that Charlton are thinking of dropping the Red, Red Robin as the music played when we run out.
It is a bad idea for a number of reasons.
No it isn’t something that lifts the players or fans but neither will some generic pop song or faux classical tune.
It is part of the club’s tradition and changing it will upset a lot of people for no real benefit. It will be impossible to find another song that will please a majority of fans as people have such wide tastes in music.
The players might choose some rap or R & B tune which would be out of date in a few years and not liked by most fans. They should be motivated by themselves or the coaches not a pop song. Give us a good team who play as if they care and the fans will make all the noise required.
And most importantly the time to raise the fans’ noise levels isn’t when they run out but as they kick off. There is a 4 or 5 minute gap between the two.
Much better to play “Valley Floyd Road” 30 seconds before kick off and then fade out the music at Kick off to leave the fans singing alone. Similar to other clubs in England and what has happened with Anthems in the world cup.
But as Brazil showed last night singing loudly and passionately before kick off isn’t that important. Leave the Red, Red, Robin where it belongs, please.
It really is a change that has nothing but negative impacts and smacks of being a cheap, badly thought out marketing gimmick (the cross bars debacle comes to mind) unworthy of a traditional football club."
I believe KM uses the @cafc.co.uk email address that all the other staff have. we also suggested VFR played before kickoff and faded out so we all sang along. she liked that idea.
Great minds think alike.
Were you the Scottish guy with Red7Oak I was chatting to on Saturday night?0 -
We're you the Scottish guy with Red7Oak I was chatting to on Saturday night?
The loud Scottish Guy!!!0 -
I have been to funerals of Charlton fans where the Red Red Robin is played and i will never forget those moving moments. I will have it played at mine too but not for a long while i hope !.
It's tradition , it's Charlton's and it's bloody well staying !2 -
My son loves it he's 5, and it is his enduring memory from the odd match he's been to, he associates it with CAFC, nuff said. Most proper Charlton fans are born and nurtured.
this sort of tradition forms part of the identity of the club, it is what keeps fans coming back not just in the top flight but when a club hits rock bottom, undermine it at your peril - I know lifelong Cardiff fans who simply stopped going when their shirt was changed.
Interestingly to some, some kind of preservation of club heritage was mooted at a recent meeting between Trusts and Clive Efford (shadow sports minister) we'll see how that develops1 -
The loud Scottish Guy!!!Red7Oak said:
We're you the Scottish guy with Red7Oak I was chatting to on Saturday night?
You can say that, I couldn't possibly comment
; - )
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Personally I hate the song I hate the way it sounds I hate how it looks when sung
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I wouldn't get rid as it's fabric of the club and the reason we all hold differing opinions on things at football
Would rather into the valley was our song but that's my opinion7 -
I don't get this intimidation nonsense. I've been supporting Charlton for fifty years and visited scores of other grounds following Charlton and I've never felt even the slightest intimidation by another clubs song. i have been impressed by other teams singing and support but that is a seperate issue.
In addition to watching the football, supporting a club is a statement of identity: for me it means I was born in Eltham, my father and both my grandfathers supported Charlton, going to games with my dad in the sixties and seventies, having a few pints before a game, despising Crystal Palace with their ridiculously gaudy kits, laughing at Millwall fans who think that smashing up some toilets in Hull makes a big club etc etc.
Cardiff should play in Blue, Hull's team should be called Hull city and Charlton should run out to the The Red Red Robin.
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When the red, red robin goes Big Bob bobbin' along, along ....
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well Katrien, if playing the song means the players are not up for it, I suggest you appoint a
managercoach who can get the players in the right frame of mindset to play the game.6 -
What song makes Katrien "up for it"? Did anyone ask...?3
