I am not ( yet ) enjoying Roland Duchatelet ownership at Charlton. So far it is a big pain in the neck/ass. I am still looking for definite signs of totally positive contract / player commitment on the pitch. Apart from the deafening club silence, the end of season dealings / noises are mirroring the January window.
I know, I know, the next 2 to 3 months will tell for sure (that is for the happy clappy Duchatelistas).
The world cup can't start soon enough.
RD made a mistake with the in comings in January, but Katrien has admitted they under estimated the championship. I can forgive that, even rich people make mistakes.
He got it right with Rigas appointment. We survived. We are building a new training complex, the pitch is having money spent on it.
I think peoples emotional attachment to the players/manager that's left is seriously clouding their judgement.
It is not the emotional attachment players it is letting all our good players go without seeing any decent players arrive. (Early days etc etc etc / pitch - training ground etc etc).
Its ok. I am just expressing an opinion. I am happy to leave all the Duchatelistas in a happy cloud of anticipation of good things to arrive. Hope you're right, I am sceptically waiting and seeing. Its alright you don't need to convince me. Its all just opinions and time will tell.
After Pardew we seem to have become a very divided fan base, those expressing a contrary opinion get labelled in a sneering way ..; parkinson apologists. powellites and now it seems Duchatelistas.
FFS the only label we need is Addicks, cause thats what we all are.
I am not ( yet ) enjoying Roland Duchatelet ownership at Charlton. So far it is a big pain in the neck/ass. I am still looking for definite signs of totally positive contract / player commitment on the pitch. Apart from the deafening club silence, the end of season dealings / noises are mirroring the January window.
I know, I know, the next 2 to 3 months will tell for sure (that is for the happy clappy Duchatelistas).
The world cup can't start soon enough.
RD made a mistake with the in comings in January, but Katrien has admitted they under estimated the championship. I can forgive that, even rich people make mistakes.
He got it right with Rigas appointment. We survived. We are building a new training complex, the pitch is having money spent on it.
I think peoples emotional attachment to the players/manager that's left is seriously clouding their judgement.
It is not the emotional attachment players it is letting all our good players go without seeing any decent players arrive. (Early days etc etc etc / pitch - training ground etc etc).
Its ok. I am just expressing an opinion. I am happy to leave all the Duchatelistas in a happy cloud of anticipation of good things to arrive. Hope you're right, I am sceptically waiting and seeing. Its alright you don't need to convince me. Its all just opinions and time will tell.
After Pardew we seem to have become a very divided fan base, thise expressing a contrary opinion get labelled in a sneering way ..; parkinson apologists. powellites and now it seems Duchatelistas.
FFS the only label we need is Addicks, cause thats what we all are.
Agreed, except I'm a better Addick than the people I disagree with ;-)
Sorry, what are we supposed to be discussing, I'm getting lost here, the football seasons miles away, can't we all just take a chill pill ( kids that's not a euphemism for taking drugs) it is true, the drugs don't work, they just make you worse, I don't condone drug taking in any shape or form, nurse....... I think I've flipped.
A starting point for me is that no Charlton fan is better than another - we all support the same team. Some Charlton fans are more mature than others and that isn't just in age. Some posters have lacked respect in their comments on this subject - Clem Snide calling fans weirdos is an example, whatever side of the argument you are on. The problem I have is that I am accused of having an agenda, which I don't have. Yes there have been things that have happened of late that I have not been happy about, but that is not the same as having an agenda. I have commented on what I have seen so far - never said we would be relegated - but stated that my approach is to weigh up the evidence I have and be willing to re-assess as new evidence and developments happen. Now others may not agree with this, and that is perfectly reasonable. Where I take issue with Yann is that he seems to think it isn't reasonable to take a differing view to him. There is definitely an insinuation in his posts that there is something wrong with people voicing their concerns that has annoyed me and clearly Henry too.
I think peace should break out here. Please don't accuse me of wanting my club to go down and I probably won't get angry. let's respect people's opinions. When we left the Valley, I decided to support the club by watching them at Selhurst. Some fans didn't and accused those that did of not being proper fans. The fact is that both were proper fans with different perspectives on the same issue. Nobody was happy with leaving the Valley - those that stayed away will say that their absence was a factor in getting back - those that went will say that the club needed their support all the more. Both could be right strangely enough. One thing is for sure, the fans that were not happy and decided to do something about it - whether they went to Selhurst or not were to a degree fighting the club but supporting the club. The club is bigger than whoever owns it at any given time and fans have every right to express concern over any matter. If I bought Charlton, I would know when I signed up to the gig that I could get criticism or praise. Richard Murray has experienced both in recent times!
This is an amazing thread and so long, basically everyone saying the same things either positive or negative regarding their attitude towards RD. I only picked up on the thread today and I initially found myself liking the positive threads and laughing at a few of the negative ones until about the 4th page when I realized everyone was saying the same things, albeit in a different way. All good comments of course as that is the whole purpose of a forum.
My view is that RD has already shown enough in his decision making for me to feel positive about his intentions. Not perfect I know, but who is. I think he's a very savvy businessman who knew that he was buying a potential gold mine that would hit pay dirt on promotion to the Premier League, and that he is prepared to spend the money to get us there. Rome wasn't built in a day, as they say, so it may not be a quick process, especially when you see the mess that he inherited. However, I, for one, am excited and positive about the future of our team and I'm looking forward to the ride.
Of course, if I had a crystal ball I'd feel more certain about all this but in that case I'd also be a billionaire, having used it on the horses and stock market, and would have bought Charlton myself.
Failing that though, I'll go with what I've got. COYR!!!
A starting point for me is that no Charlton fan is better than another - we all support the same team. Some Charlton fans are more mature than others and that isn't just in age. Some posters have lacked respect in their comments on this subject - Clem Snide calling fans weirdos is an example, whatever side of the argument you are on. The problem I have is that I am accused of having an agenda, which I don't have. Yes there have been things that have happened of late that I have not been happy about, but that is not the same as having an agenda. I have commented on what I have seen so far - never said we would be relegated - but stated that my approach is to weigh up the evidence I have and be willing to re-assess as new evidence and developments happen. Now others may not agree with this, and that is perfectly reasonable. Where I take issue with Yann is that he seems to think it isn't reasonable to take a differing view to him. There is definitely an insinuation in his posts that there is something wrong with people voicing their concerns that has annoyed me and clearly Henry too.
I think peace should break out here. Please don't accuse me of wanting my club to go down and I probably won't get angry. let's respect people's opinions. When we left the Valley, I decided to support the club by watching them at Selhurst. Some fans didn't and accused those that did of not being proper fans. The fact is that both were proper fans with different perspectives on the same issue. Nobody was happy with leaving the Valley - those that stayed away will say that their absence was a factor in getting back - those that went will say that the club needed their support all the more. Both could be right strangely enough. One thing is for sure, the fans that were not happy and decided to do something about it - whether they went to Selhurst or not were to a degree fighting the club but supporting the club. The club is bigger than whoever owns it at any given time and fans have every right to express concern over any matter. If I bought Charlton, I would know when I signed up to the gig that I could get criticism or praise. Richard Murray has experienced both in recent times!
Muttley post about respecting opinions is spot on. Helpful those that express some sceptism are not insulted as whiners, moaners or weirdo bleaters and mis represented as wrist slitting panic merchants. There is no panic and it is opinion to wait for evidence of decent players in / contracts signed.
If those that think Roland will come good, stop reacting like militant religious evangelists any time a bit of sceptism or criticism comes Rolands way then that would be great as well. I am happy to retire the Duchatelista phrase as it won't be appropriate. Respecting opinions cuts both ways.
Glass Half Full posted this morning 'What's important is that although we don't all see eye-to-eye on everything basically we all want success for our club'. The sentiment is good.
It will be easier when Charlton has a set of confirmed contracted players that make a competitive team and squad for the next Championship season (with a decent confirmed head coach). It is not there yet. I will be very happy when and if that happens.
Well i for one felt quite joyus when the goals went in against Watford and all the folks around me seemed quite joyus too and i would even go as far to say we were fecking ecstatic. Agree with Gary, we need to keep Riga. Envious of Leyton Orient thats made my day! Ha!
You can mock being envious of Orient but I reckon they'd beat us at the moment. They also have an owner and chief exec who are fans and care about the club. We have a bigger ground and fanbase but we're both small London clubs trying to compete.
Im still here, old toad face himself wwwwooooossssshhhhh. That was a funny reply drewman
Current confirmed team Pope Solly Lennon (Gomez????) Wiggins Wilson Cousins Jackson Harriott Church Reza
Still to early for Gomez so Fox centre back that's where he started, not a bad team really apart from youthful cbs and church.
That team would get a record low points total in the Championship.
Any chance of the lotto numbers for tonight whilst your predicting the future, no It isn't overly strong but there's some class players in there and it's not far off the team that won 3-0 v Blackpool .
No but it's a start like vff said , add a couple centre backs a couple strikers ect which we all know has got to happen but we've got a good core of young players like pope , solly , cousins , harriot , fox and Lennon then a couple experienced in Jackson , Wilson and wiggins and then got some excellent youth players coming through that might break through by the end of the season in Holmes -Dennis , Karlan Grant , Edwards and obviously Gomez . That's why I'm not panicking yet , we all know we have to add players but I think there's a decent team to come out of this group.
I admire your positive optimism Yann but you may need to temper that with a little patience for those of us who haven't yet reached that level yet. Definitely good not to panic though.
I admire your positive optimism Yann but you may need to temper that with a little patience for those of us who haven't yet reached that level yet. Definitely good not to panic though.
Yeah that's fair enough I just rate quite a few of our players quite highly I guess and having watched the youth players quite a bit I know we've got good back up there . Come on vff be positive you know you want to it's fun and good for the heart lol
I find the whole youth thing pretty exciting. There will be lows but I prefer it that way than spending beyond our means. We need bodies and good ones. If you blood too many at once in a weak team it will counter-productive.
I admire your positive optimism Yann but you may need to temper that with a little patience for those of us who haven't yet reached that level yet. Definitely good not to panic though.
Yeah that's fair enough I just rate quite a few of our players quite highly I guess and having watched the youth players quite a bit I know we've got good back up there . Come on vff be positive you know you want to it's fun and good for the heart lol
OK Yann, will keep that in mind. I thoroughly enjoyed the Watford game. If only it could be as exciting as that every game. Hopefully the next will bring some positive developments (regarding the head coach / players). Thats a positive LOL on your post by the way !
Current confirmed team Pope Solly Lennon (Gomez????) Wiggins Wilson Cousins Jackson Harriott Church Reza
Still to early for Gomez so Fox centre back that's where he started, not a bad team really apart from youthful cbs and church.
That team would get a record low points total in the Championship.
Any chance of the lotto numbers for tonight whilst your predicting the future, no It isn't overly strong but there's some class players in there and it's not far off the team that won 3-0 v Blackpool .
it's weaker than the team that saved itself from relegation in the final week,
it's weaker than the team that got a points total that would have been relegated any other year than this
how in the lords name can you put a positive spin on it!?!?!?!?
Current confirmed team Pope Solly Lennon (Gomez????) Wiggins Wilson Cousins Jackson Harriott Church Reza
Still to early for Gomez so Fox centre back that's where he started, not a bad team really apart from youthful cbs and church.
That team would get a record low points total in the Championship.
Any chance of the lotto numbers for tonight whilst your predicting the future, no It isn't overly strong but there's some class players in there and it's not far off the team that won 3-0 v Blackpool .
it's weaker than the team that saved itself from relegation in the final week,
it's weaker than the team that got a points total that would have been relegated any other year than this
how in the lords name can you put a positive spin on it!?!?!?!?
that team would get relegated no question
For one I said its a start and it's a good core with great players in it so yes I'm positive if we add some quality i will be more than happy, and there were 6 worse teams than us last year by the way and after Powell went we was avenging mid table form. And finally we still have over two months to add players .
I know there's a a 'bit' of rebuilding to do in the team , which hopefully happen, but surely we need the announcement of a manager first, I know youth contracts can be renewed without a manager, but surely players are only going to join us when they know who the manager is?
sorry Yann, didn't notice that you'd said it was a start....
the mid table team has been dismantled by the way, hamer, dervite, morro, poyet, sordell, AA ...all gone/going? Solly played fiveish games and it's not looking too hopeful for the lad so you might be counting him out aswell....that makes 4 of that team left....replaced with 16/17/18 year olds who have never played professional league football is not the one! Church and Reza managed 6 league goals between them, Poyet saved us from relegation, Morro is our most consistent CB.... I cannot for the life of me be positive about us losing them....positivity stems from good things. Losing the spine of your team and relying on Church and Reza to magically start banging them in is not in my view a good thing...therefore I am not positive about it.
I am also not negative as I completely agree that there is plenty of time to get in some quality and I really think we will be pleasantly surprised by some of the players we sign. I'm just waiting and see-ing.
good on you for your POSITIVITY! I think RD should defo be looking to get you in as a sports psychologist, I'd give my all for you Yann!
sorry Yann, didn't notice that you'd said it was a start....
the mid table team has been dismantled by the way, hamer, dervite, morro, poyet, sordell, AA ...all gone/going? Solly played fiveish games and it's not looking too hopeful for the lad so you might be counting him out aswell....that makes 4 of that team left....replaced with 16/17/18 year olds who have never played professional league football is not the one! Church and Reza managed 6 league goals between them, Poyet saved us from relegation, Morro is our most consistent CB.... I cannot for the life of me be positive about us losing them....positivity stems from good things. Losing the spine of your team and relying on Church and Reza to magically start banging them in is not in my view a good thing...therefore I am not positive about it.
I am also not negative as I completely agree that there is plenty of time to get in some quality and I really think we will be pleasantly surprised by some of the players we sign. I'm just waiting and see-ing.
good on you for your POSITIVITY! I think RD should defo be looking to get you in as a sports psychologist, I'd give my all for you Yann!
To be fair one minute your saying this team ain't good enough last season and now your saying you don't want to lose them ? I personally think the only one who isn't replaceable out of the players we might lose is Diego .
i'm not gonna get into a slanging match with you Yann....I pointed out that the team you called "mid table" has been/is being dismantled. I don't think that team is really good enough to be honest although I would keep/re-sign Hamer and Sordell if possible.
I then said "Poyet saved us from relegation, Morro is our most consistent CB.... I cannot for the life of me be positive about us losing them"
that's two players my man not the whole team
I was trying to be nice to you at the end even though you can be a little infuriating at times. Have an argument with someone else, I really don't care enough!
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FFS the only label we need is Addicks, cause thats what we all are.
I think peace should break out here. Please don't accuse me of wanting my club to go down and I probably won't get angry. let's respect people's opinions. When we left the Valley, I decided to support the club by watching them at Selhurst. Some fans didn't and accused those that did of not being proper fans. The fact is that both were proper fans with different perspectives on the same issue. Nobody was happy with leaving the Valley - those that stayed away will say that their absence was a factor in getting back - those that went will say that the club needed their support all the more. Both could be right strangely enough. One thing is for sure, the fans that were not happy and decided to do something about it - whether they went to Selhurst or not were to a degree fighting the club but supporting the club. The club is bigger than whoever owns it at any given time and fans have every right to express concern over any matter. If I bought Charlton, I would know when I signed up to the gig that I could get criticism or praise. Richard Murray has experienced both in recent times!
My view is that RD has already shown enough in his decision making for me to feel positive about his intentions. Not perfect I know, but who is. I think he's a very savvy businessman who knew that he was buying a potential gold mine that would hit pay dirt on promotion to the Premier League, and that he is prepared to spend the money to get us there. Rome wasn't built in a day, as they say, so it may not be a quick process, especially when you see the mess that he inherited. However, I, for one, am excited and positive about the future of our team and I'm looking forward to the ride.
Of course, if I had a crystal ball I'd feel more certain about all this but in that case I'd also be a billionaire, having used it on the horses and stock market, and would have bought Charlton myself.
Failing that though, I'll go with what I've got. COYR!!!
:-)
If those that think Roland will come good, stop reacting like militant religious evangelists any time a bit of sceptism or criticism comes Rolands way then that would be great as well. I am happy to retire the Duchatelista phrase as it won't be appropriate. Respecting opinions cuts both ways.
Glass Half Full posted this morning 'What's important is that although we don't all see eye-to-eye on everything basically we all want success for our club'. The sentiment is good.
It will be easier when Charlton has a set of confirmed contracted players that make a competitive team and squad for the next Championship season (with a decent confirmed head coach). It is not there yet. I will be very happy when and if that happens.
That was a funny reply drewman
Head Coach:
Current confirmed team
Pope
Solly Lennon (Gomez????) Wiggins
Wilson Cousins Jackson Harriott
Church Reza
Like the positivity but its not strong enough.
That's why I'm not panicking yet , we all know we have to add players but I think there's a decent team to come out of this group.
I find the whole youth thing pretty exciting. There will be lows but I prefer it that way than spending beyond our means. We need bodies and good ones. If you blood too many at once in a weak team it will counter-productive.
it's weaker than the team that got a points total that would have been relegated any other year than this
how in the lords name can you put a positive spin on it!?!?!?!?
that team would get relegated no question
And finally we still have over two months to add players .
I'm still chilled by the way.
the mid table team has been dismantled by the way, hamer, dervite, morro, poyet, sordell, AA ...all gone/going? Solly played fiveish games and it's not looking too hopeful for the lad so you might be counting him out aswell....that makes 4 of that team left....replaced with 16/17/18 year olds who have never played professional league football is not the one! Church and Reza managed 6 league goals between them, Poyet saved us from relegation, Morro is our most consistent CB.... I cannot for the life of me be positive about us losing them....positivity stems from good things. Losing the spine of your team and relying on Church and Reza to magically start banging them in is not in my view a good thing...therefore I am not positive about it.
I am also not negative as I completely agree that there is plenty of time to get in some quality and I really think we will be pleasantly surprised by some of the players we sign. I'm just waiting and see-ing.
good on you for your POSITIVITY! I think RD should defo be looking to get you in as a sports psychologist, I'd give my all for you Yann!
Yann are you actually Andy Todd?
I personally think the only one who isn't replaceable out of the players we might lose is Diego .
I then said "Poyet saved us from relegation, Morro is our most consistent CB.... I cannot for the life of me be positive about us losing them"
that's two players my man not the whole team
I was trying to be nice to you at the end even though you can be a little infuriating at times. Have an argument with someone else, I really don't care enough!