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Reality check time - Roland
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Your a funny guy , because I back the club and new chairman I'm on a wind up . Bye byeHenry Irving said:
Nothing to do with the end of the season though is it? You've been on this wind up since you joined.Yann897 said:
Well if it's not to do with footballHenry Irving said:
So you say you know what LLL&BH stands for. Prove it! : - )Yann897 said:
See I know what that meansHenry Irving said:
Have a good weekend LRLuckyReds said:
I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
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Bloody hell. I now see that Yann897 has decided he does feel like more of a Charlton fan than others. Disregard the above then. Well played Henry.
LLL&BH - Only true fans know what that means : - )
bye Ben oh do ya feel like more of a fan than an arm chair fan ones that chose not to go even if they can afford it ect ?
I don't feel a lesser fan than those who've been going longer or who go to more away games or who sing louder and I don't feel a better fan than those who go occasionally and never.
Supporting Charlton isn't a competition, I don't have to prove myself to myself or others. I just support Charlton.
Reflect upon the parable of the workers in the Vineyards.
Live laugh love & be happy?
And I do agree with your point about not feeling like less of Charlton fan than people that go every game and who's the bigger fan ,I'm man enough to say your right there I suppose I'm just fed up with the amount of negativity only 2 weeks after the season has finished not even that .
Wasted enough time on here with some very confused people so I'm off.
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Haha I love how people keep saying they are off or gonna leave it there. Then 5 mins later...I'll just post something else, I can't let that bastard win.
Lookout and Afka have created a monster.8 -
I haven't seen a single personal insult. Just posters backing it up with cold, hard facts.sirjohnhumphrey said:All getting a little bit Into The Valley on this site with the personal insults being hurled by pro RD posters.
I think youre mistaking concern and insecurity for panic and resentment. Some posters have faith in RD others have a few genuine concerns. Surely both are accepted?
If by pre season we have the makings of a decent squad we will all be contemt. Until that time allow people to have a different opinion to yours without insulting them.2 -
Just because fans question Duchatelet does not mean we are anti-Charlton or not true fans. I've never heard such nonsense. In fact, it's the complete opposite.9
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I don't think anyone has actually said that apart from Henry putting it out there.The Red Robin said:Just because fans question Duchatelet does not mean we are anti-Charlton or not true fans. I've never heard such nonsense. In fact, it's the complete opposite.
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Henry - you could start and continue an argument if you were the only bloke in the room.Henry Irving said:
Apologies to JuniorGreenie said:
Henry, at least attribute your spin to the correct post.Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.Greenie said:
do not spin what I said, its boring and tedious. Nowhere did I say I was better or suggesting I was better. If you choose to see/say that than that's your opinion of what I was saying and not what I was actually saying just so you can try to prove a point. I also notice that you didn't mention any other names in the other paragraphs...hmmm...Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
But I don't need to spin anything. You did say "alleged supporters".
You didn't explain how I was meant to have spun that, just went on about fans with agendas etc who wanted us to go down without naming them, something you accused me of.
You said it, at least be prepared to back it up or explain what you meant by it.
But because I've got a life I'm going to let you have the last word...over to you!4 -
Damn. I've been out for a few hours and missed all the fun.
Smashing entertainment lads, well played !4 -
Being RD-sceptic doesn't make you ant-Charlton, or less of a fan. Being pro-RD doesn't make you naive and blind to potential disaster. Supporting Charlton is a totally different beast to supporting Roland Duchatelet. The fact remains however that RD has a stake in Charlton's future not only financially but it seems he is trying to make some sort of political point re: the running of football clubs, so we had all best hope he knows what he's doing, and how he's doing it, otherwise it will (but HAS NOT YET) going to live us in a real crisis situation.
It is a long game he appears to be playing, I think a full season of his own ideas backed by his own money is only fair before I start weighing in on whether he is the Messiah or the Antichrist.0 -
Thanks for just accepting you were wrong and I was right.Greenie said:
Henry - you could start and continue an argument if you were the only bloke in the room.Henry Irving said:
Apologies to JuniorGreenie said:
Henry, at least attribute your spin to the correct post.Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.Greenie said:
do not spin what I said, its boring and tedious. Nowhere did I say I was better or suggesting I was better. If you choose to see/say that than that's your opinion of what I was saying and not what I was actually saying just so you can try to prove a point. I also notice that you didn't mention any other names in the other paragraphs...hmmm...Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
But I don't need to spin anything. You did say "alleged supporters".
You didn't explain how I was meant to have spun that, just went on about fans with agendas etc who wanted us to go down without naming them, something you accused me of.
You said it, at least be prepared to back it up or explain what you meant by it.
But because I've got a life I'm going to let you have the last word...over to you!
Have a good weekend : - )2 -
So unless you doubt Duchatelet you cannot be a real fan?The Red Robin said:Just because fans question Duchatelet does not mean we are anti-Charlton or not true fans. I've never heard such nonsense. In fact, it's the complete opposite.
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Are you still here?Henry Irving said:
Thanks for just accepting you were wrong and I was right.Greenie said:
Henry - you could start and continue an argument if you were the only bloke in the room.Henry Irving said:
Apologies to JuniorGreenie said:
Henry, at least attribute your spin to the correct post.Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.Greenie said:
do not spin what I said, its boring and tedious. Nowhere did I say I was better or suggesting I was better. If you choose to see/say that than that's your opinion of what I was saying and not what I was actually saying just so you can try to prove a point. I also notice that you didn't mention any other names in the other paragraphs...hmmm...Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
But I don't need to spin anything. You did say "alleged supporters".
You didn't explain how I was meant to have spun that, just went on about fans with agendas etc who wanted us to go down without naming them, something you accused me of.
You said it, at least be prepared to back it up or explain what you meant by it.
But because I've got a life I'm going to let you have the last word...over to you!
Have a good weekend : - )
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''Some of that is hillerious especially the bit about the season tickets being to cheap''.
Shouldn't this be Some of that is hilarious especially the bit about the season tickets being too cheap?3 -
So sorry grammar man , bloody hell what is that matter with charlon fans today get a life mate .Jensenwasclass said:''Some of that is hillerious especially the bit about the season tickets being to cheap''.
Shouldn't this be Some of that is hilarious especially the bit about the season tickets being too cheap?0 -
Now I'm confused.
Who has the better life?1 -
Sometimes you're the statue. Sometimes you're the pigeon.0
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NoAddickted said:
Are you still here?Henry Irving said:
Thanks for just accepting you were wrong and I was right.Greenie said:
Henry - you could start and continue an argument if you were the only bloke in the room.Henry Irving said:
Apologies to JuniorGreenie said:
Henry, at least attribute your spin to the correct post.Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.Greenie said:
do not spin what I said, its boring and tedious. Nowhere did I say I was better or suggesting I was better. If you choose to see/say that than that's your opinion of what I was saying and not what I was actually saying just so you can try to prove a point. I also notice that you didn't mention any other names in the other paragraphs...hmmm...Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
But I don't need to spin anything. You did say "alleged supporters".
You didn't explain how I was meant to have spun that, just went on about fans with agendas etc who wanted us to go down without naming them, something you accused me of.
You said it, at least be prepared to back it up or explain what you meant by it.
But because I've got a life I'm going to let you have the last word...over to you!
Have a good weekend : - )
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Wow, you can see it was hot today...
On topic, I personally don't get those of the opinion that doom is on the doorstep because some of our established players may be leaving on frees. Fact is these players are in a position where they know they are key members of the squad and with undoubtedly other interest, can potentially work that to their advantage financially. Fair play, it is not ideal but no player is bigger than the club. I will be gutted to see Morro go however as he is the one player who since he joined has improved considerably each season.
About 6 months ago I was worried about the rumours of administration and where that would have left us, now we are worried that we won't know the players we are going to bring into for the next Championship season. I know which situation I prefer to be in.
The fact is Roland has said from the outset he won't pump money in and will be making smart plans, which to me looks like he has such as the academy, sorting the pitch etc. A successful man will admit mistakes and try to steer the course not to make them again, will he repeat the mistakes of underestimating? That remains to be seen. But surely this guy deserves the backing to see what is going to happen this Summer without judgement and being reminded that player recruitment in January was terrible.
Whether for the good or bad this SUmmer will be interesting and I am fully behind whatever happens as some ownership stability feels nice at the moment.1 -
Henry Irving said:
NoAddickted said:
Are you still here?Henry Irving said:
Thanks for just accepting you were wrong and I was right.Greenie said:
Henry - you could start and continue an argument if you were the only bloke in the room.Henry Irving said:
Apologies to JuniorGreenie said:
Henry, at least attribute your spin to the correct post.Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.Greenie said:
do not spin what I said, its boring and tedious. Nowhere did I say I was better or suggesting I was better. If you choose to see/say that than that's your opinion of what I was saying and not what I was actually saying just so you can try to prove a point. I also notice that you didn't mention any other names in the other paragraphs...hmmm...Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
But I don't need to spin anything. You did say "alleged supporters".
You didn't explain how I was meant to have spun that, just went on about fans with agendas etc who wanted us to go down without naming them, something you accused me of.
You said it, at least be prepared to back it up or explain what you meant by it.
But because I've got a life I'm going to let you have the last word...over to you!
Have a good weekend : - )
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Is it too early or too late to start a boycott?0
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It's my fault I've been out all day taken my eye off the ball and the infighting has reached another level. Why can't we all play nicely and if not just beg to differ without animosity ?0
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I am not anti anybody....however over the last two seasons we have ended every transfer window worse off than we started it (in my opinion). Meaning that I was hopeful rather than confident about this summer and we haven't had an auspicious start. Having said that I still hope RD has viable plan, but trust has to be earned.3
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FFS
Is no one else concerned that these argumentative, wind-up, 'I'm going now' toads have managed to break the Quote button ???2 -
Mine's working, or have I been whooshed ?AFKABartram said:FFS
Is no one else concerned that these argumentative, wind-up, 'I'm going now' toads have managed to break the Quote button ???0 -
Just me then.
That's even worse !1 -
You can mock being envious of Orient but I reckon they'd beat us at the moment. They also have an owner and chief exec who are fans and care about the club. We have a bigger ground and fanbase but we're both small London clubs trying to compete.scabbyhorse said:Well i for one felt quite joyus when the goals went in against Watford and all the folks around me seemed quite joyus too and i would even go as far to say we were fecking ecstatic.
Agree with Gary, we need to keep Riga.
Envious of Leyton Orient thats made my day! Ha!1 -
Ffs.
120 new posts.
I thought Roland had signed up to the forum.1 -
With Roland being the centre of attention, it got me thinking - when Garry Nelson next pitches up at The Valley, do you think he will seize our new Belgian friend in a warm, Continental-style embrace and say "Kiss me, RD"?3 -
Just checking that I'm a better fan than you.AFKABartram said:Just me then.
That's even worse !
Carry on.
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Works both ways. We need to be objective. Not overly hopeful and not overly pessimistic.thenewbie said:
So unless you doubt Duchatelet you cannot be a real fan?The Red Robin said:Just because fans question Duchatelet does not mean we are anti-Charlton or not true fans. I've never heard such nonsense. In fact, it's the complete opposite.
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