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Reality check time - Roland
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Think your the lol man don't you ! Oh and flag manHenry Irving said:
Spot oncrookester said:I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Agree but it seems you're not a "true" fan like Yann789 The LoL man : - )crookester said:I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Personally, I think losing Hamer or Morrison or Dervite would be a shame but not a major deal... but losing all 3 at the same time would put us in a risky position, which may or may not be mitigated by the signing of equal or better players. We just don't know yet. I don't blame RD for this situation. I certainly don't agree with a lot of what he has done but we stayed up and that was the realistic aim when he arrived.
So, I'm not panicking with so much time before the season starts but....concerned? Definitely.
And like I said I agree with you maybe I do feel like I'm more of fan , do you not feel like your more of a fan than some one who boos every week for example ?
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And I don't mean I'm better than people that don't rate rd I just mean than the people that constantly moan about everything Charlton . Not just on here.
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Same old posters same old spill.
We sack Powell.......they say relegation is a cert
We sell Yann and Stephens ........they say last nail in the coffin, league one here we come.
One day some of the usaul suspects might call something right then id say god help this forum, but for now I will sit back in the middle of May and laugh at the wrist slashing threads appearing daily.
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I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
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Bloody hell. I now see that Yann897 has decided he does feel like more of a Charlton fan than others. Disregard the above then. Well played Henry.7 -
No.Yann897 said:
do you not feel like your more of a fan than some one who boos every week for example ?Henry Irving said:
Spot oncrookester said:I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Agree but it seems you're not a "true" fan like Yann789 The LoL man : - )crookester said:I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Personally, I think losing Hamer or Morrison or Dervite would be a shame but not a major deal... but losing all 3 at the same time would put us in a risky position, which may or may not be mitigated by the signing of equal or better players. We just don't know yet. I don't blame RD for this situation. I certainly don't agree with a lot of what he has done but we stayed up and that was the realistic aim when he arrived.
So, I'm not panicking with so much time before the season starts but....concerned? Definitely.
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What he said wasLuckyReds said:
I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
"Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happens"
So I didn't bend his words. He introduce the idea of the "true" fan. I didn't invent that.
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Interesting , if I see a fan that boos one of our players I just look and think how can you honestly be a Charlton fan so we're very different think we both know that.Henry Irving said:
No.Yann897 said:
do you not feel like your more of a fan than some one who boos every week for example ?Henry Irving said:
Spot oncrookester said:I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Agree but it seems you're not a "true" fan like Yann789 The LoL man : - )crookester said:I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Personally, I think losing Hamer or Morrison or Dervite would be a shame but not a major deal... but losing all 3 at the same time would put us in a risky position, which may or may not be mitigated by the signing of equal or better players. We just don't know yet. I don't blame RD for this situation. I certainly don't agree with a lot of what he has done but we stayed up and that was the realistic aim when he arrived.
So, I'm not panicking with so much time before the season starts but....concerned? Definitely.
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I had to laugh at that , I don't think I'mLuckyReds said:
I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
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Bloody hell. I now see that Yann897 has decided he does feel like more of a Charlton fan than others. Disregard the above then. Well played Henry.
More of a fan than those who don't support rd just in general it seems like some of the people that write on here hate Charlton so yes I think I'm more of a fan than them people ,
you know the ones that boo Charlton and the players ect ect .
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Yann897 said:
Interesting , if I see a fan that boos one of our players I just look and think how can you honestly be a Charlton fan so we're very different think we both know that.Henry Irving said:
No.Yann897 said:
do you not feel like your more of a fan than some one who boos every week for example ?Henry Irving said:
Spot oncrookester said:I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Agree but it seems you're not a "true" fan like Yann789 The LoL man : - )crookester said:I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Personally, I think losing Hamer or Morrison or Dervite would be a shame but not a major deal... but losing all 3 at the same time would put us in a risky position, which may or may not be mitigated by the signing of equal or better players. We just don't know yet. I don't blame RD for this situation. I certainly don't agree with a lot of what he has done but we stayed up and that was the realistic aim when he arrived.
So, I'm not panicking with so much time before the season starts but....concerned? Definitely.
But you were delighted to slag off our manager.
Anyway weekend is here. Have a good one everyone.
LLL&BH
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Up until shef utd I backed him fully and always sang he's name even though I didn't rate he's football so not the greatest point.Henry Irving said:Yann897 said:
Interesting , if I see a fan that boos one of our players I just look and think how can you honestly be a Charlton fan so we're very different think we both know that.Henry Irving said:
No.Yann897 said:
do you not feel like your more of a fan than some one who boos every week for example ?Henry Irving said:
Spot oncrookester said:I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Agree but it seems you're not a "true" fan like Yann789 The LoL man : - )crookester said:I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Personally, I think losing Hamer or Morrison or Dervite would be a shame but not a major deal... but losing all 3 at the same time would put us in a risky position, which may or may not be mitigated by the signing of equal or better players. We just don't know yet. I don't blame RD for this situation. I certainly don't agree with a lot of what he has done but we stayed up and that was the realistic aim when he arrived.
So, I'm not panicking with so much time before the season starts but....concerned? Definitely.
But you were delighted to slag off our manager.
Anyway weekend is here. Have a good one everyone.
LLL&BH0 -
Have a good weekend LRLuckyReds said:
I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
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Bloody hell. I now see that Yann897 has decided he does feel like more of a Charlton fan than others. Disregard the above then. Well played Henry.
LLL&BH - Only true fans know what that means : - )0 -
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Henry Irving said:
Have a good weekend LRLuckyReds said:
I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
.
If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
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Bloody hell. I now see that Yann897 has decided he does feel like more of a Charlton fan than others. Disregard the above then. Well played Henry.
LLL&BH - Only true fans know what that means : - )1 -
Henry, at least attribute your spin to the correct post. That was me not junior, do not spin what I said, its boring and tedious. Nowhere did I say I was better or suggesting I was better. If you choose to see/say that than that's your opinion of what I was saying and not what I was actually saying just so you can try to prove a point. I also notice that you didn't mention any other names in the other paragraphs...hmmm...Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
FWIW - My stance on RD is one of lets wait and see, however I cannot say sit back and say nothing when those who have an obvious agenda against the bloke (for the Powell sacking and subsequently saving our Championship status, in which he was proved right) slaughter him at very turn or look for reasons to do so. I think a lot on here wanted us relegated so they could yell 'told you so'. We even had one poster moaning that the STs were to cheap, It kinda proves my point.
You know me, if he proves to be a useless so and so I will then voice my opinion to reflect that. But anyone with half a brain cell should sit tight, see what materialises, by all means criticise constructively but give the bloke a chance.
However we can learn from history - and historically RD was ripped apart by SL when he took them over, street protests etc, then he got them success. Maybe the same thing will happen in SE7.
Just give him a chance is my bottom line, which is I believe where myself and you meet and agree on.
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So you say you know what LLL&BH stands for. Prove it! : - )Yann897 said:
See I know what that meansHenry Irving said:
Have a good weekend LRLuckyReds said:
I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
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Bloody hell. I now see that Yann897 has decided he does feel like more of a Charlton fan than others. Disregard the above then. Well played Henry.
LLL&BH - Only true fans know what that means : - )
bye Ben oh do ya feel like more of a fan than an arm chair fan ones that chose not to go even if they can afford it ect ?
I don't feel a lesser fan than those who've been going longer or who go to more away games or who sing louder and I don't feel a better fan than those who go occasionally and never.
Supporting Charlton isn't a competition, I don't have to prove myself to myself or others. I just support Charlton.
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You've just posted the some of that quote..:Henry Irving said:
What he said wasLuckyReds said:
I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
"Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happens"
So I didn't bend his words. He introduce the idea of the "true" fan. I didn't invent that.
What you have done is called what I said pathetic after missing out the relevant part of what he said and then saying "don't argue".I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club
That's understandable, and in no way does that say that those who aren't backing the club aren't fans. Combined with the preceding sentence, as quoted in my post:not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan
I get two things from his post:
(a) Yann has never claimed he was better than any other Charlton fan;
(b) however, Yann can't understand why true charlton fans just wont get behind the club.
Then somehow, the incredible reading comprehension of Henry Irving strikes again! Famous around CharltonLife for managing to instigate an argument during even the friendliest of debates! So you read the following in to his post:If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you
Are you seriously saying that this was a fair representation of what he said? Although I'm not quite sure if your post was a question or a statement, either way - it had very little basis with regards to Yann897's actual words.
No doubt you'll be prepared to argue to toss about it. However, I'll re-iterate what I said before and leave it there: argue with the words, not the spin you apply to them.
I'm not going to get caught up in the CharltonLife comedy which is "Who's Henry Irving arguing with now?".4 -
Well if it's not to do with footballHenry Irving said:
So you say you know what LLL&BH stands for. Prove it! : - )Yann897 said:
See I know what that meansHenry Irving said:
Have a good weekend LRLuckyReds said:
I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
Edit:
Bloody hell. I now see that Yann897 has decided he does feel like more of a Charlton fan than others. Disregard the above then. Well played Henry.
LLL&BH - Only true fans know what that means : - ) bye Ben oh do ya feel like more of a fan than an arm chair fan ones that chose not to go even if they can afford it ect ?
I don't feel a lesser fan than those who've been going longer or who go to more away games or who sing louder and I don't feel a better fan than those who go occasionally and never.
Supporting Charlton isn't a competition, I don't have to prove myself to myself or others. I just support Charlton.
Reflect upon the parable of the workers in the Vineyards.
Live laugh love & be happy?
And I do agree with your point about not feeling like less of Charlton fan than people that go every game and who's the bigger fan ,I'm man enough to say your right there I suppose I'm just fed up with the amount of negativity only 2 weeks after the season has finished not even that .
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I think Yann is a better fan than Henry to be honest12
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That's understandable, and in no way does that say that those who aren't backing the club aren't fans. Combined with the preceding sentence, as quoted in my post:LuckyReds said:
You've just posted the some of that quote..:Henry Irving said:
What he said wasLuckyReds said:
I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
"Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happens"
So I didn't bend his words. He introduce the idea of the "true" fan. I didn't invent that.
What you have done is called what I said pathetic after missing out the relevant part of what he said and then saying "don't argue".I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club
not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan
I get two things from his post:
(a) Yann has never claimed he was better than any other Charlton fan;
(b) however, Yann can't understand why true charlton fans just wont get behind the club.
Then somehow, the incredible reading comprehension of Henry Irving strikes again! Famous around CharltonLife for managing to instigate an argument during even the friendliest of debates! So you read the following in to his post:If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you
Are you seriously saying that this was a fair representation of what he said? Although I'm not quite sure if your post was a question or a statement, either way - it had very little basis with regards to Yann897's actual words.
No doubt you'll be prepared to argue to toss about it. However, I'll re-iterate what I said before and leave it there: argue with the words, not the spin you apply to them.
I'm not going to get caught up in the CharltonLife comedy which is "Who's Henry Irving arguing with now?".
You seem a bit confused as a minute ago you were agreeing with me
"Bloody hell. I now see that Yann897 has decided he does feel like more of a Charlton fan than others. Disregard the above then. Well played Henry."
But now you've changed your mind again and decided you do want an argument and to make a few personal digs.
Not bothered, just find it strange.
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I get two things from his post:Henry Irving said:
That's understandable, and in no way does that say that those who aren't backing the club aren't fans. Combined with the preceding sentence, as quoted in my post:LuckyReds said:
You've just posted the some of that quote..:Henry Irving said:
What he said wasLuckyReds said:
I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
"Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happens"
So I didn't bend his words. He introduce the idea of the "true" fan. I didn't invent that.
What you have done is called what I said pathetic after missing out the relevant part of what he said and then saying "don't argue".I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club
not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan
(a) Yann has never claimed he was better than any other Charlton fan;
(b) however, Yann can't understand why true charlton fans just wont get behind the club.
Then somehow, the incredible reading comprehension of Henry Irving strikes again! Famous around CharltonLife for managing to instigate an argument during even the friendliest of debates! So you read the following in to his post:If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you
Are you seriously saying that this was a fair representation of what he said? Although I'm not quite sure if your post was a question or a statement, either way - it had very little basis with regards to Yann897's actual words.
No doubt you'll be prepared to argue to toss about it. However, I'll re-iterate what I said before and leave it there: argue with the words, not the spin you apply to them.
I'm not going to get caught up in the CharltonLife comedy which is "Who's Henry Irving arguing with now?".
You seem a bit confused as a minute ago you were agreeing with me
"Bloody hell. I now see that Yann897 has decided he does feel like more of a Charlton fan than others. Disregard the above then. Well played Henry."
But now you've changed your mind again and decided you do want an argument and to make a few personal digs.
Not bothered, just find it strange.
LLL&BHI'm not going to get caught up in the CharltonLife comedy which is "Who's Henry Irving arguing with now?".
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Apologies to JuniorGreenie said:
Henry, at least attribute your spin to the correct post.Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.Greenie said:
do not spin what I said, its boring and tedious. Nowhere did I say I was better or suggesting I was better. If you choose to see/say that than that's your opinion of what I was saying and not what I was actually saying just so you can try to prove a point. I also notice that you didn't mention any other names in the other paragraphs...hmmm...Henry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
But I don't need to spin anything. You did say "alleged supporters".
You didn't explain how I was meant to have spun that, just went on about fans with agendas etc who wanted us to go down without naming them, something you accused me of.
You said it, at least be prepared to back it up or explain what you meant by it.
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Nothing to do with the end of the season though is it? You've been on this wind up since you joined.Yann897 said:
Well if it's not to do with footballHenry Irving said:
So you say you know what LLL&BH stands for. Prove it! : - )Yann897 said:
See I know what that meansHenry Irving said:
Have a good weekend LRLuckyReds said:
I've generally agreed with most of what you've said before Henry, but now you're at risk of making yourself look silly by putting words in his mouth.Henry Irving said:
Thanks for proving my point.Yann897 said:
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happensHenry Irving said:
So true.vff said:
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Specifically, Yann897 goes as far as to say "not once did I say I was better than any other charlton fan"; to then specifically misrepresent his post as a claim that those who question RD aren't "true Charlton fans" is just cheap.
Argue with the words and sentiment that someone provides you with, don't bend the words and invent a sentiment to argue with: that's just pathetic.
Or even better: just don't argue.
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Bloody hell. I now see that Yann897 has decided he does feel like more of a Charlton fan than others. Disregard the above then. Well played Henry.
LLL&BH - Only true fans know what that means : - ) bye Ben oh do ya feel like more of a fan than an arm chair fan ones that chose not to go even if they can afford it ect ?
I don't feel a lesser fan than those who've been going longer or who go to more away games or who sing louder and I don't feel a better fan than those who go occasionally and never.
Supporting Charlton isn't a competition, I don't have to prove myself to myself or others. I just support Charlton.
Reflect upon the parable of the workers in the Vineyards.
Live laugh love & be happy?
And I do agree with your point about not feeling like less of Charlton fan than people that go every game and who's the bigger fan ,I'm man enough to say your right there I suppose I'm just fed up with the amount of negativity only 2 weeks after the season has finished not even that .
Wasted enough time on here with some very confused people so I'm off.1
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