It is depressing how intolerant and insulting some / many of the Duchatelistas are to anyone who dares questions Rolands strategy and competence. Not everyone has to be as credulous or agree with the Duchatelista view. Insulting and misrepresenting those that don’t share that faith is out of order.
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
The idea that all those who are sceptical of Roland is rooted in Chris Powell being fired is so wide of the mark that the shot is into the East stand.
Half Glass Full (9.08am) was superb. Some of the others here are at the other end of the scale.
Is it equally as depressing reading comments referring to him as a "rat", "douchebag", "clueless" etc etc?
Or is that OK because he sacked Powell? Or because it fits an agenda?
I have had a pop at the constant snipers and will continue to do so. What I haven't done is go round banging an RD drum. All I want people to do is wait and see what happens, not make snap judgements'.
Max Gradel 1.5 million pound bid??? or was that my imagination in january?
Ah, so we want to discuss players we couldn't convince to sign? Why don't we focus on actions rather than words? - they usually speak a lot louder. I suppose you can try telling your wife you didn't buy her a birthday present because the gift you had in mind was sold out. See where that gets you!
Max Gradel 1.5 million pound bid??? or was that my imagination in january?
Ah, so we want to discuss players we couldn't convince to sign? Why don't we focus on actions rather than words? - they usually speak a lot louder.
Ok then.....pitch, the dome, training ground (expanding on the orignal plan), £150.00 adult season tickets, bringing Riga in, spending 14m to keep us in business plus whatever else in running costs.
All I am saying is wait until the end of the transfer window then you will get all the evidence you will need one way or the other. I like what RD has done so far off the pitch, as listed by Clem. I am just waiting to see what he does on the pitch. Then I will decide. If I don't like it I will say so. It seems to me that there are certain people on here who can't forgive RD for getting rid of Powell. But that has been shown to be the right decision.
Max Gradel 1.5 million pound bid??? or was that my imagination in january?
Ah, so we want to discuss players we couldn't convince to sign? Why don't we focus on actions rather than words? - they usually speak a lot louder.
Ok then.....pitch, the dome, training ground (expanding on the orignal plan), £150.00 adult season tickets, bringing Riga in, spending 14m to keep us in business plus whatever else in running costs.
Do any of those speak with any volume?
I would add: keeping hold of Dyer to ensure continuity in the squad, signing of Obika (must have been Dyer's suggestion at least), new contracts offered to and signed by Wiggins and Jackson, and there has definitely been approaches made to agents if Green and Hughes already know they won't be back next season.
Thuram, Reza, AA, even Polish Pete to a degree were all highly thought of too when they signed, it's not like we're signing the likes of Belgian Borrowdale or Murty all over again. It didn't work but it was not just a token gesture, they were not 'fob-offs' with intent.
Not really - to be honest. The pitch is a good thing but needed to happen. Any new owner would have had to sort it out. £150 season tickets - a bit too cheap and the whole thing was a bit of a mess in my opinion - though the intention was good. Mine was reasonably priced at the same level as it was under the previous owners, which I don't have an issue with. Yes, bringing Riga in was a positive, but undermining Powell was a negative in my opinion.
All the same, Riga being announced as our new manager would be one of the things that make me more optimistic.
I suppose you could argue that RD is great compared to the previous owners - at least how they were in their final year! I think they started much more positively than RD has in terms of their actions to be fair - but they didn't have the money when Cash ducked out. I am grateful if RD has saved us from administration - but I am notconvinced a different owner wouldn't have come in.
But the point you ultra pro RD people miss - is that I and others are talking in the present - based solely on the evidence which is out there at this time. If RD provides evidence that he has a plan that might just work - I'm sure everybody will get on board. Please let me have the right to see some signs of it first though - please!
All getting a little bit Into The Valley on this site with the personal insults being hurled by pro RD posters. I think youre mistaking concern and insecurity for panic and resentment. Some posters have faith in RD others have a few genuine concerns. Surely both are accepted? If by pre season we have the makings of a decent squad we will all be contemt. Until that time allow people to have a different opinion to yours without insulting them.
Not really - to be honest. The pitch is a good thing but needed to happen. Any new owner would have had to sort it out. £150 season tickets - a bit too cheap and the whole thing was a bit of a mess in my opinion - though the intention was good. Mine was reasonably priced at the same level as it was under the previous owners, which I don't have an issue with. Yes, bringing Riga in was a positive, but undermining Powell was a negative in my opinion.
All the same, Riga being announced as our new manager would be one of the things that make me more optimistic.
I suppose you could argue that RD is great compared to the previous owners - at least how they were in their final year! I think they started much more positively than RD has in terms of their actions to be fair - but they didn't have the money when Cash ducked out. I am grateful if RD has saved us from administration - but I am notconvinced a different owner wouldn't have come in.
But the point you ultra pro RD people miss - is that I and others are talking in the present - based solely on the evidence which is out there at this time. If RD provides evidence that he has a plan that might just work - I'm sure everybody will get on board. Please let me have the right to see some signs of it first though - please!
Some of that is hillerious especially the bit about the season tickets being to cheap .
Not really - to be honest. The pitch is a good thing but needed to happen. Any new owner would have had to sort it out. £150 season tickets - a bit too cheap and the whole thing was a bit of a mess in my opinion - though the intention was good. Mine was reasonably priced at the same level as it was under the previous owners, which I don't have an issue with. Yes, bringing Riga in was a positive, but undermining Powell was a negative in my opinion.
All the same, Riga being announced as our new manager would be one of the things that make me more optimistic.
I suppose you could argue that RD is great compared to the previous owners - at least how they were in their final year! I think they started much more positively than RD has in terms of their actions to be fair - but they didn't have the money when Cash ducked out. I am grateful if RD has saved us from administration - but I am notconvinced a different owner wouldn't have come in.
But the point you ultra pro RD people miss - is that I and others are talking in the present - based solely on the evidence which is out there at this time. If RD provides evidence that he has a plan that might just work - I'm sure everybody will get on board. Please let me have the right to see some signs of it first though - please!
Some of that is hillerious especially the bit about the season tickets being to cheap .
Well if you have paid a lot more for a seat in the same stand, you might not be doing cartwheels!
Not really - to be honest. The pitch is a good thing but needed to happen. Any new owner would have had to sort it out. £150 season tickets - a bit too cheap and the whole thing was a bit of a mess in my opinion - though the intention was good. Mine was reasonably priced at the same level as it was under the previous owners, which I don't have an issue with. Yes, bringing Riga in was a positive, but undermining Powell was a negative in my opinion.
All the same, Riga being announced as our new manager would be one of the things that make me more optimistic.
I suppose you could argue that RD is great compared to the previous owners - at least how they were in their final year! I think they started much more positively than RD has in terms of their actions to be fair - but they didn't have the money when Cash ducked out. I am grateful if RD has saved us from administration - but I am notconvinced a different owner wouldn't have come in.
But the point you ultra pro RD people miss - is that I and others are talking in the present - based solely on the evidence which is out there at this time. If RD provides evidence that he has a plan that might just work - I'm sure everybody will get on board. Please let me have the right to see some signs of it first though - please!
Some of that is hillerious especially the bit about the season tickets being to cheap .
Well if you have paid a lot more for a seat in the same stand, you might not be doing cartwheels!
Wonder if there is another club in the land where the fans moan the season tickets are to cheap , mate give it a rest it's boring now , your a Charlton fan we're all Charlton fans get behind the club it's embarassing some of the stuff your saying . If you can't see that rd has done some good stuff off the pitch and not prepared to see how the window pans out then I ain't really got nothing else to say to you mate.
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
So true.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
So true.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happens .
The first season back in the Championship we were playing with a 15% chance of relegation for much of the season and last year it was 30-45%. This was not a league 1 squad nor was it a top 8 Championship squad. We now have the chance to jettison all of those players that remain from the League 1 champions who are not good enough to take us to the next level. Some fans are exagerating their sense of crisis by elevating the likes of Morrison to a shoe in for a top three championship defence! Personally I am more concerned about signing Gomez and Poyet as they represent the long term future of the club. Let's see how good our first XI looks on paper at the end of June before rushing to push any panic buttons!
Are Thuram, Nego, PP, Reza, 60 min man AA all fit to play comfortably in the Championship? Obviously not.. that's why the panic buttons are being pushed. Losing players is tolerable, but we need to be sure of what we are replacing them with. Reza is the best Iranian footballer by a long stretch, he is not finding it easy in the Championship... it takes so much time to adapt to the game over here for most players, we haven't got that time if we are replacing our experienced players with them. I'll judge the team when I see the team, however.
Those players were brought in quickly, towards the end of the window.
The board have admitted they got it wrong. Lets see if they've learnt their lesson and understand the quality needed. No need to push to panic buttons unless the same mistakes are made twice.
Not only were those players not up to the CCC, but a month or so later when Powell had been sacked, the wheels were obviously coming off and our relegation rivals were signing decent players, we came up with David Petrucci who had zilch league experience.
Max Gradel 1.5 million pound bid??? or was that my imagination in january?
Ah, so we want to discuss players we couldn't convince to sign? Why don't we focus on actions rather than words? - they usually speak a lot louder. I suppose you can try telling your wife you didn't buy her a birthday present because the gift you had in mind was sold out. See where that gets you!
Funny you should say that but that has worked in the past. Anyway im too depressed at the moment because we aint signed anyone, facking doomed we are!
I have renewed my season ticket, but that doesn't mean I think everything in the garden is rosy, far from it. Of course I am grateful that RD stepped in to save the club from what was looking like inevitable administration. What worries me is a lack of openness to supporters regarding the future direction of the club, the lack of urgency in renewing the contracts to key members of the team. The lack of progress in either securing JR's services as Chief Coach next season (can't say manager anymore) or a replacement. I think all most Charlton Supporters are asking is that we are given some indication of direction of where the club is heading.
I have renewed my season ticket, but that doesn't mean I think everything in the garden is rosy, far from it. Of course I am grateful that RD stepped in to save the club from what was looking like inevitable administration. What worries me is a lack of openness to supporters regarding the future direction of the club, the lack of urgency in renewing the contracts to key members of the team. The lack of progress in either securing JR's services as Chief Coach next season (can't say manager anymore) or a replacement. I think all most Charlton Supporters are asking is that we are given some indication of direction of where the club is heading.
All legitimate concerns but for in about a months time from now. I'll concede the head coach appointment is more pressing.
Max Gradel 1.5 million pound bid??? or was that my imagination in january?
Ah, so we want to discuss players we couldn't convince to sign? Why don't we focus on actions rather than words? - they usually speak a lot louder. I suppose you can try telling your wife you didn't buy her a birthday present because the gift you had in mind was sold out. See where that gets you!
Funny you should say that but that has worked in the past. Anyway im too depressed at the moment because we aint signed anyone, facking doomed we are!
I'm not saying we are doomed though! I'm saying up until now it has all been a bit worrying and I'm concerned! That isn't the same as being doomed. I'm not saying there isn't time and RD won't change my current assessment. It really isn't that complicated a position. You certainly don't have to agree with it, but I would expect peopl eon either side of it to understand it!
FFS after all that's happened this week it's only football!
Some really do need to shift their prioritys!
All of your posts seem strangely alike... perhaps you need to shift your priorities and stop telling others to do so? Just a thought.. :-)
Yep possibly, I just get fed up with the negativity from the alleged supporters on here, RD has done such a lot for CAFC so far and the bottom line is RD 's decisions kept us in the Championship, that is the reality, but still the moaning bastards pour their negative shit all over this site, so excuse me if I can see the positives and others can't. We are dealing with speculative transfers at the moment on 3 players who two seasons ago were League 1, and because they may move on the moaners start pouring their poison on a bloke who is putting his own money into the club, and just because we haven't been told who we are buying and why we are selling (yet). Shameful.
When you say that RD has done such a lot, he hasn't done anything outside and beyond what any chairman should do.
I don't happen to have a problem with RD, but at the same time I'm not a big fan.
My original point. When you say that RD has done such a lot, he hasn't done anything outside and beyond what any chairman should do.
Please dont compare to the last lot, because that is irrelevant today.
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
So true.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happens .
Thanks for proving my point.
If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Personally, I think losing Hamer or Morrison or Dervite would be a shame but not a major deal... but losing all 3 at the same time would put us in a risky position, which may or may not be mitigated by the signing of equal or better players. We just don't know yet. I don't blame RD for this situation. I certainly don't agree with a lot of what he has done but we stayed up and that was the realistic aim when he arrived.
So, I'm not panicking with so much time before the season starts but....concerned? Definitely.
Support of Roland is not the litmus test of being a Charlton supporter.
So true.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
Not once did I say I was better than any other Charlton fan but I do wonder why any true Charlton fan just wouldn't back the club and see what happens .
Thanks for proving my point.
If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Fair enough you are probably right in a way because like Iv said before I can't work out why you would want to be negative about Cafc I give 100% love and support behind this club and prepared to give rd a chance because Iv seen him to good, So oh well .
I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
I find the "get behind the club" comments insulting. WE are the club, we've been here before RD and we'll be here long afterwards. If anybody is concerned by what they're seeing, it's their right to say so....doesn't make them less of a supporter at all.
Personally, I think losing Hamer or Morrison or Dervite would be a shame but not a major deal... but losing all 3 at the same time would put us in a risky position, which may or may not be mitigated by the signing of equal or better players. We just don't know yet. I don't blame RD for this situation. I certainly don't agree with a lot of what he has done but we stayed up and that was the realistic aim when he arrived.
So, I'm not panicking with so much time before the season starts but....concerned? Definitely.
Agree but it seems you're not a "true" fan like Yann789 The LoL man : - )
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Or is that OK because he sacked Powell? Or because it fits an agenda?
I have had a pop at the constant snipers and will continue to do so. What I haven't done is go round banging an RD drum. All I want people to do is wait and see what happens, not make snap judgements'.
It's very akin to do you believe in God ?
Do any of those speak with any volume?
Thuram, Reza, AA, even Polish Pete to a degree were all highly thought of too when they signed, it's not like we're signing the likes of Belgian Borrowdale or Murty all over again. It didn't work but it was not just a token gesture, they were not 'fob-offs' with intent.
All the same, Riga being announced as our new manager would be one of the things that make me more optimistic.
I suppose you could argue that RD is great compared to the previous owners - at least how they were in their final year! I think they started much more positively than RD has in terms of their actions to be fair - but they didn't have the money when Cash ducked out. I am grateful if RD has saved us from administration - but I am notconvinced a different owner wouldn't have come in.
But the point you ultra pro RD people miss - is that I and others are talking in the present - based solely on the evidence which is out there at this time. If RD provides evidence that he has a plan that might just work - I'm sure everybody will get on board. Please let me have the right to see some signs of it first though - please!
I think youre mistaking concern and insecurity for panic and resentment. Some posters have faith in RD others have a few genuine concerns. Surely both are accepted?
If by pre season we have the makings of a decent squad we will all be contemt. Until that time allow people to have a different opinion to yours without insulting them.
If you can't see that rd has done some good stuff off the pitch and not prepared to see how the window pans out then I ain't really got nothing else to say to you mate.
There is an element of some people being concerned and expressing that in a overly, IMO, negative way. I haven't seen much personal abuse of RD but that doesn't excuse what there has been.
There are others who see only good from RD and who are, unrealistically IMO, optimistic about everything he does and excuse any shortcomings or concerns.
It's saddening that terms like "agendas" have crept in again especially as those who were accused of having agendas with the old board have been proved correct.
Others, and I include myself in this group, realise RD needs time to prove himself, see the worth in what he has done so far but alongside his mistakes and limitations.
But there are those such as Yann879 and Greenie Jnr ("alleged supporters") who suggest that they are better or more real supporters because they back RD. That is a totally false statement and clearly insulting to any other supporter.
RD is not Charlton. We all support and back Charlton and we all want it to be a success. Stop suggesting that not being totally uncritical of RD means you are not a fan. It is either insulting or a WUM, or both.
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Anyway im too depressed at the moment because we aint signed anyone, facking doomed we are!
What worries me is a lack of openness to supporters regarding the future direction of the club, the lack of urgency in renewing the contracts to key members of the team. The lack of progress in either securing JR's services as Chief Coach next season (can't say manager anymore) or a replacement.
I think all most Charlton Supporters are asking is that we are given some indication of direction of where the club is heading.
My original point. When you say that RD has done such a lot, he hasn't done anything outside and beyond what any chairman should do.
Please dont compare to the last lot, because that is irrelevant today.
If someone doesn't see it like you then how can they be a "true" fan like you.
Personally, I think losing Hamer or Morrison or Dervite would be a shame but not a major deal... but losing all 3 at the same time would put us in a risky position, which may or may not be mitigated by the signing of equal or better players. We just don't know yet. I don't blame RD for this situation. I certainly don't agree with a lot of what he has done but we stayed up and that was the realistic aim when he arrived.
So, I'm not panicking with so much time before the season starts but....concerned? Definitely.
Most importantly I'm Charlton til I die! So are we all - so enough already with insults etc!