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Dorian Dervite signing for Bolton

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  • mrbligh said:


    Who is the CB equivalent of Polish Pete?

    You
    rekjavik Rio?

  • edited May 2014

    If DD has gone will be a shame but not end of the world if we replace him with say Michael Mancienne then I would be happy. Lets wait and see. My biggest worry is that if Dervite has gone does that mean that Jose has as well as he obviously rated DD and would I imagine want to keep him.

    Yes but one key fact, he (JR) doesn't have to pay DDs wages so let's not jump to conclusions.
  • Dear lord the bed wetting going on here is a joke.. We've lost Dorian Dervite to Bolton, not Carlos Puyol.. Dervite.

    I can't help but wonder how some of you cope with genuine bad news

    Just getting warmed up.

  • Would be sad to see him go, he has been arguably our most improved player this season
  • No offence, but we struggled all season. Hence you can't rate any of our players that highly. Have faith, RD will upgrade if he goes.
  • Would be sad to see him go, he has been arguably our most improved player this season

    Poyet ?
  • Would be sad to see him go, he has been arguably our most improved player this season

    Poyet ?
    Poyet was player of the season, arguably Dervite was the most improved player of the season.
  • NugNug
    edited May 2014
    Would love to know who's making decisions on a players value and who might be a better replacement, because I am sure it's not RD and KM, and without a permanent head coach this is what worries me the most. On the face of it Dervite was decent would have been pleased if he stayed but no too worried he's gone. But the recruitment going forward could be a real problem if someone without a good knowledge of the Championship isn't pulling the strings.
  • Shame. Was starting to look the player Spurs thought he was.
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  • mrbligh said:

    Were going down

    We were, but then we stayed up ;-)
  • Nug said:

    Would love to know who's making decisions on a players value and who might be a better replacement, because I am sure it's not RD and KM, and without a permanent head coach this is what worries me the most. On the face of it Dervite was decent would have been pleased if he stayed but no too worried he's gone. But the recruitment going forward could be a real problem if someone without a good knowledge of the Championship isn't pulling the strings.

    If we were signing players without a Head Coach/Manager in place then I would be concerned. Releasing players is something that would have been decided when Riga was still here. For example with DD - Riga says 'if we can get him for xk per week then he's worth keeping - if he wants more then I would advise letting him go'.

    Coaches/managers do not do the contract negotiations at any club - that's usually down to the CEO working within budget constraints.
  • CafcCrazy said:

    Would be sad to see him go, he has been arguably our most improved player this season

    Poyet ?
    Poyet was player of the season, arguably Dervite was the most improved player of the season.
    Dervite improved in the last 10 games.

    Poyet went from Academy to POTY in 4 months.

    I'll have to disagree with you, unless Barca make a late bid for Dervite :-)
  • Ben18 said:

    anyone any idea what has happened to Cort?

    I think his negotiating position with Charlton just got significantly stronger.
    There will be plenty of centre halves available in the summer, either through transfers (domestic and abroad) or out of contract players.

    Would think Cort will be lucky to be offered a new deal, judging by his age and injury record.

    Yes, there will be, but will we sign any of them?
  • edited May 2014

    CafcCrazy said:

    Would be sad to see him go, he has been arguably our most improved player this season

    Poyet ?
    Poyet was player of the season, arguably Dervite was the most improved player of the season.
    Dervite improved in the last 10 games.

    Poyet went from Academy to POTY in 4 months.

    I'll have to disagree with you, unless Barca make a late bid for Dervite :-)
    He is saying Dervite was the most improved player this season, i.e. compared to last season. How can Poyet be the most improved player of the season if he only made his debut this season?
  • NugNug
    edited May 2014
    bobmunro said:

    Nug said:

    Would love to know who's making decisions on a players value and who might be a better replacement, because I am sure it's not RD and KM, and without a permanent head coach this is what worries me the most. On the face of it Dervite was decent would have been pleased if he stayed but no too worried he's gone. But the recruitment going forward could be a real problem if someone without a good knowledge of the Championship isn't pulling the strings.

    If we were signing players without a Head Coach/Manager in place then I would be concerned. Releasing players is something that would have been decided when Riga was still here. For example with DD - Riga says 'if we can get him for xk per week then he's worth keeping - if he wants more then I would advise letting him go'.
    And you know this to be true or just a guess?

  • Nug said:

    bobmunro said:

    Nug said:

    Would love to know who's making decisions on a players value and who might be a better replacement, because I am sure it's not RD and KM, and without a permanent head coach this is what worries me the most. On the face of it Dervite was decent would have been pleased if he stayed but no too worried he's gone. But the recruitment going forward could be a real problem if someone without a good knowledge of the Championship isn't pulling the strings.

    If we were signing players without a Head Coach/Manager in place then I would be concerned. Releasing players is something that would have been decided when Riga was still here. For example with DD - Riga says 'if we can get him for xk per week then he's worth keeping - if he wants more then I would advise letting him go'.
    And you know this to be true or just a guess?

    My understanding is that a Head Coach does not have such input - just works with the players/ squad he is given. So back to the BIG question - who exactly is making these decisions?

  • Nug said:

    bobmunro said:

    Nug said:

    Would love to know who's making decisions on a players value and who might be a better replacement, because I am sure it's not RD and KM, and without a permanent head coach this is what worries me the most. On the face of it Dervite was decent would have been pleased if he stayed but no too worried he's gone. But the recruitment going forward could be a real problem if someone without a good knowledge of the Championship isn't pulling the strings.

    If we were signing players without a Head Coach/Manager in place then I would be concerned. Releasing players is something that would have been decided when Riga was still here. For example with DD - Riga says 'if we can get him for xk per week then he's worth keeping - if he wants more then I would advise letting him go'.
    And you know this to be true or just a guess?

    My understanding is that a Head Coach does not have such input - just works with the players/ squad he is given. So back to the BIG question - who exactly is making these decisions?

    RD? Katrien? An Israeli agent? Anyone but the Head Coach. Not that we have one at the moment.
  • edited May 2014

    CafcCrazy said:

    Would be sad to see him go, he has been arguably our most improved player this season

    Poyet ?
    Poyet was player of the season, arguably Dervite was the most improved player of the season.
    Dervite improved in the last 10 games.

    Poyet went from Academy to POTY in 4 months.

    I'll have to disagree with you, unless Barca make a late bid for Dervite :-)
    He is saying Dervite was the most improved player this season, i.e. compared to last season. How can Poyet be the most improved player of the season if he only made his debut this season?
    Because if Poyet was the best player at the club at the start of the season, then surely Powell would have played him ?
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  • edited May 2014

    CafcCrazy said:

    Would be sad to see him go, he has been arguably our most improved player this season

    Poyet ?
    Poyet was player of the season, arguably Dervite was the most improved player of the season.
    Dervite improved in the last 10 games.

    Poyet went from Academy to POTY in 4 months.

    I'll have to disagree with you, unless Barca make a late bid for Dervite :-)
    He is saying Dervite was the most improved player this season, i.e. compared to last season. How can Poyet be the most improved player of the season if he only made his debut this season?
    Because if Poyet was the best player at the club at the start of the season, then surely Powell would have played him ?
    Could be that he wasn't allowed to.
    I don't believe that it was a coincidence that we get taken over and straight away Poyet gets in the team and is an ever present.
  • mrbligh said:

    Were going down

    We were, but then we stayed up ;-)
    I like a man (I'm guessing) who knows the value of an apostrophe.
  • DRAddick said:

    CafcCrazy said:

    Would be sad to see him go, he has been arguably our most improved player this season

    Poyet ?
    Poyet was player of the season, arguably Dervite was the most improved player of the season.
    Dervite improved in the last 10 games.

    Poyet went from Academy to POTY in 4 months.

    I'll have to disagree with you, unless Barca make a late bid for Dervite :-)
    He is saying Dervite was the most improved player this season, i.e. compared to last season. How can Poyet be the most improved player of the season if he only made his debut this season?
    Because if Poyet was the best player at the club at the start of the season, then surely Powell would have played him ?
    Could be that he wasn't allowed to.

    No it's RD that picked Powell's team, not Jimenez :-)
  • they'll be shite, you know this....
  • edited May 2014

    CafcCrazy said:

    Would be sad to see him go, he has been arguably our most improved player this season

    Poyet ?
    Poyet was player of the season, arguably Dervite was the most improved player of the season.
    Dervite improved in the last 10 games.

    Poyet went from Academy to POTY in 4 months.

    I'll have to disagree with you, unless Barca make a late bid for Dervite :-)
    He is saying Dervite was the most improved player this season, i.e. compared to last season. How can Poyet be the most improved player of the season if he only made his debut this season?
    Because if Poyet was the best player at the club at the start of the season, then surely Powell would have played him ?
    Riiiiight...but how does that make him the most improved? There are no previous performances to compare?
  • edited May 2014
    Nug said:

    bobmunro said:

    Nug said:

    Would love to know who's making decisions on a players value and who might be a better replacement, because I am sure it's not RD and KM, and without a permanent head coach this is what worries me the most. On the face of it Dervite was decent would have been pleased if he stayed but no too worried he's gone. But the recruitment going forward could be a real problem if someone without a good knowledge of the Championship isn't pulling the strings.

    If we were signing players without a Head Coach/Manager in place then I would be concerned. Releasing players is something that would have been decided when Riga was still here. For example with DD - Riga says 'if we can get him for xk per week then he's worth keeping - if he wants more then I would advise letting him go'.
    And you know this to be true or just a guess?

    I'm guessing at the 'Riga says .....' bit - which is why I put 'for example' before it.

    I know the general process to be true though. A coach or manager does not and should not have anything to do with transfer fees or wages/contracts - that is a fundemental finance responsibility for the Chairman/CEO. The coach's role is to identify (with scouts etc...) potential targets - the Chariman sets the budgets, and the CEO manages within those budgets to get the players the coach has identified via negotiation with the player and their agent.
  • Swap deal for super marv....
  • edited May 2014

    CafcCrazy said:

    Would be sad to see him go, he has been arguably our most improved player this season

    Poyet ?
    Poyet was player of the season, arguably Dervite was the most improved player of the season.
    Dervite improved in the last 10 games.

    Poyet went from Academy to POTY in 4 months.

    I'll have to disagree with you, unless Barca make a late bid for Dervite :-)
    He is saying Dervite was the most improved player this season, i.e. compared to last season. How can Poyet be the most improved player of the season if he only made his debut this season?
    Because if Poyet was the best player at the club at the start of the season, then surely Powell would have played him ?
    Riiiiight...but how does that make him the most improved? There are no previous performances to compare?
    Ok. Having seen Poyet in the youth team & the pre season friendly at Bromley. I think Poyet improved from being not good enough for the first team to being our best player. A jump of over 18 places.

    Dervite improved from being about 8th best to 5th best. About 3 places.

    Just my opinion.

    Like I say I'm sure Barca will be putting in a late bid for Dervite :-)
  • Swap deal for super marv....

    Would expect atleast a 4 pack of polo's as well.
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