Most people who have lived in South London will know decent Millwall supporters. Unfortunately they also have a larger proportion of ****ing knobheads than any one else. I just wish the decent supporters would stop excusing the animals that disgrace their football club and this country.
I have Millwall in the family and spent a fair amount of my formative years surrounded by Millwall fans and drinking in Millwall pubs....
The ones I know have all been decent - they play up to the stereotype but I can have a laugh with them. However, scratch not far beneath the surface and there is an element of "pride by association" with the genuine cnuts that represent a significant minority (small majority?) of their support.
I'd like to think that the ones I know would condemn knife attacks, racist chanting and the widespread and regular disruption their Bermondsey / Welling chavs create. The problem is that a significant minority (small majority?) of Millwall fans in general revel in this stuff.
If we had a fanbase like the spanners the Belgians would have been run out of town long ago.
But would they have been that bothered? For any number of reasons, they are less politicised and less pro-active than Charlton fans (thank god).
Good point, I was chatting with a Brighton fan yesterday who only had good words to say about Charlton and how some of our fans advised them when things weren't so good down there.
Was 72 in Blackpool when Bubbles put his boot through glass (bus stop?) and cut his leg open?
I saw bubbles yesterday funny enough he still comes to about 6 or 7 games a season. But it wasn't bubbles who broke some glass in Blackpool in 72 although he was there with us. I won't say on here who done what in 72 but we are still going to Charlton. Next meet up Doncaster away if you fancy it. Also as we have now all turned 60 things are quite civil.
You wouldn't know a certain Mr Casey would you Blackpool?
The song says 'we don't care'. Says it all, they can stomach it with pride. The violence isn't a cause of any shame as far as I can tell. Personally I feel a lot of shame that a Charlton fan attacked an Accrington fan last week.
The song says 'we don't care'. Says it all, they can stomach it with pride. The violence isn't a cause of any shame as far as I can tell. Personally I feel a lot of shame that a Charlton fan attacked an Accrington fan last week.
Did that really happen though? The fella was (apparently) very active on Twitter after the game and didn’t mention it. He only tweeted it next day. That’s only what someone posted on here though, so can’t be too sure.
What's alleged about the racist chanting? Pretty bloody obvious from the video. No doubt the FA will find them not guilty and preserve their family club image.
the racist chanting is more than 1 or 2 but it isn't every millwall fan in fairness to them its a great result but as per the behaviour off the pitch takes the good away from it - and the fanbase as a whole fucking love the reputation they have the amount of instagrams and pics flying about with clenched fists etc that is embarrassing.
I’ve heard Millwall fans argue that they are the true “London” club being closest to Charring X
As do Chelsea.
Historically the city of London is the true London. The city of London's flag has Charlton's sword on it as a tribute to the real London club. Case closed.
1. Swansea City 2. AFC Wimbledon 3. shrewsbury or Wolves 4. Millwall 5. Brighton or West Brom 6. Bristol City 7. Derby 8. Doncaster 9. Chelsea 10. Watford 11. Middlesbrough or Newport 12.Man City 13. Barnet or Brentford 14. Portsmouth or QPR 15. Man Utd 16. Crystal Palace
4 vs 9 would be carnage and give every copper within a 50 mile radius a chance of overtime, havent played each other in 24 years
1. Swansea City 2. AFC Wimbledon 3. shrewsbury or Wolves 4. Millwall 5. Brighton or West Brom 6. Bristol City 7. Derby 8. Doncaster 9. Chelsea 10. Watford 11. Middlesbrough or Newport 12.Man City 13. Barnet or Brentford 14. Portsmouth or QPR 15. Man Utd 16. Crystal Palace
4 vs 9 would be carnage and give every copper within a 50 mile radius a chance of overtime, havent played each other in 24 years
True...4v14 would be lively to if Pompey can beat QPR.
Looking at the footage there are many things that are totally bizarre to the whole days events and those involved and the policing of the game IMO given it was a 5.30pm kick off therefore people would have been drinking all day and who can remember the last televised game Millwall appeared in, cast your mind back to the FA cup semi final at Wembley against Wigan and what happened that particular day.
1. Why have the police let the Everton fans who you would say are the potential high risk, come into Surrey Quays (unescorted) and not diverted from Euston to Bermondsey South via London Bridge.
2. The so called Millwall fans are the really Millwall ? or are they just a bunch of little wanna be thugs who want to attach themselves to the club.
3. Anyone that carries a blade IMO should face minimum of 10 years behind bars. If you are prepared to carry a knife be it to a football match or on the streets there is intent, then to use it will only result in serious damage or ultimately the death of a person.
4. Why are the police letting a coach of Everton fans drive past the ground on the way to the match, to get stuck in traffic, and then let Millwall fans to continue to head towards the coach.
The police have a lot of questions to answer, Millwall will always continue to have this reputation and with that attracts idiots who have no interest in the game, and want to have a fight, have the opportunity to have a row with the Police and at the same time try and create a name for themselves, look at the idiots on the footage, they are nothing but kids and if you went one on one with them they would be on their toes, in a pack they are as hard as nails. Look how many stand at the back.
Millwall has a reputation from the 70's in which they have dinned out on for years, other than that they are a bunch of chavs that have nothing else to do and have no interest in the club, look at their next home attendance and the gate in comparison to that of Saturdays game.
Looking at the footage there are many things that are totally bizarre to the whole days events and those involved and the policing of the game IMO given it was a 5.30pm kick off therefore people would have been drinking all day and who can remember the last televised game Millwall appeared in, cast your mind back to the FA cup semi final at Wembley against Wigan and what happened that particular day.
1. Why have the police let the Everton fans who you would say are the potential high risk, come into Surrey Quays (unescorted) and not diverted from Euston to Bermondsey South via London Bridge.
2. The so called Millwall fans are the really Millwall ? or are they just a bunch of little wanna be thugs who want to attach themselves to the club.
3. Anyone that carries a blade IMO should face minimum of 10 years behind bars. If you are prepared to carry a knife be it to a football match or on the streets there is intent, then to use it will only result in serious damage or ultimately the death of a person.
4. Why are the police letting a coach of Everton fans drive past the ground on the way to the match, to get stuck in traffic, and then let Millwall fans to continue to head towards the coach.
The police have a lot of questions to answer, Millwall will always continue to have this reputation and with that attracts idiots who have no interest in the game, and want to have a fight, have the opportunity to have a row with the Police and at the same time try and create a name for themselves, look at the idiots on the footage, they are nothing but kids and if you went one on one with them they would be on their toes, in a pack they are as hard as nails. Look how many stand at the back.
Millwall has a reputation from the 70's in which they have dinned out on for years, other than that they are a bunch of chavs that have nothing else to do and have no interest in the club, look at their next home attendance and the gate in comparison to that of Saturdays game.
Good post....I'm glad they let the Everton fans go to Surrey Keys as we (wife had family over from Dublin) were out in the London Bridge area (Shipwrights Arms which had quite a few Millwall in it) at the time.
Regarding your first point, I thought exactly the same. How do you go about justifying double time every other weekend sitting in a van, if there is never any trouble. I think the OB knew exactly what was going on, but chose to let it happen and film it, rather than avert the trouble in the first place. This by no way excuses the actions of Saturday evening, but is food for thought.
giving millwall a game at 5.30 on a Saturday seemed like madness, i am sure the police will be asked question as when we have been before everyone is put on a same time train and forced down the one way, of course if you have an intention of going to do something you get into london early doors, and go somewhere away from the majority of everton fans and you could quite easily do what they done, i think its pretty clear that the everton lot attacked the millwall pub 1st - yes knifes shouldn't be used but if you are their for trouble and intent on kicking fuck out of someone dont be suprised if you get hurt.
It was a sell out. But loads stayed under the stand watching it on the screens having a beer and staying dry. How was burton or who ever it was?
#smallwall
What a bunch of softies, worried about a drop of rain. Normally watch games on their sofas at home. Reckon they must have been the ones that go once a season for a big game. Ground looked half empty at one end.
The atmosphere I experienced tonight, nothing like that. If my dad had took me to the valley as a kid, I’d have got bored and stopped going. If my dad had took me to selhurst I’d have been embarrassed and stopped going.
Thank god for Millwall
Yeh let’s cut lads in the face. Thank god for Millwall
Takes two to tango, and Everton are famous for it. County Road cutters? Think you will find that there was a large mob of Everton yesterday more than keen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Road_Cutters
Regardless of Everton's history, watching the clip of the slashing incident is one of the snidest, most cowardly things I've seen...climbing over a wall, sneaking up and slashing a bloke involved in a fist fight then slinking back off again...sheer and utter cowardice.
Truly horrible little club (albeit with the odd handful of decent fans) that attract a huge percentage of yellow teethed, feral, thicko, inadequates who gain some sort of misguided validation of tagging themselves onto the pathetic and timewarped image they've fostered to give a contrived identity to an otherwise wholly irrelevant establishment.
The further fallacy espoused by fans of other clubs who talk about them as some sort of proper old school working class club with proper fans etc is equally bollocks as football didn't start in the 70s when hooliganism came to prominence and being working class and proper doesn't mean carrying on the way they do with the deluded sense of self aggrandisation and pride as if having the biggest collective of thuggish scum and mouth breathing inadequates going to football is some sort of achievement outside of its culturally relevant heyday of the 70s and 80s.
It is a myth they keep needing to peddle to justify having such a scum element amongst their ranks and give it some sort of false romantic or noble justification when the reality is it's just a bunch of lemons acting like a bunch of lemons.
They have some very hard, violent and psychopathic followers undoubtedly...good for them....(who really cares and what does it count for in 2019?), but the worst are the kind that @Carter refers to....the types who tag on to the image and the nutters and revel in the exploits of others as if it elevates them to some sort of tough guy image by association. Social media is awash with them in their silly caps and stone island coats in the aftermath of days like today and it is all very amusing.
They remind me of the Mickey Pierce character in Scum and for every "handy"nutter they have out looking to injure someone over a game of football as a release for their psychological/emotional issues, they'll have 50 of the skinny Jeremy Kyle types who if it came down to it on their own would struggle to fight their way out of a wet paper bag before their malnourished frames gave out due to a diet of 10 lambert and butler and supermarket energy drinks.
All very tragic and comically amusing and as much as they may laugh at the likes of silly little trainspotting Charlton the complete lack of self awareness they possess of how they are actually perceived by 99% of adults and people with a bit of nous and common sense is hilarious.
Brilliant post, but surely you are not expecting a response from any Millwall fans to that? It would take them five years and a Chambers dictionary before that happened!
The atmosphere I experienced tonight, nothing like that. If my dad had took me to the valley as a kid, I’d have got bored and stopped going. If my dad had took me to selhurst I’d have been embarrassed and stopped going.
Thank god for Millwall
Yeh let’s cut lads in the face. Thank god for Millwall
Takes two to tango, and Everton are famous for it. County Road cutters? Think you will find that there was a large mob of Everton yesterday more than keen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Road_Cutters
Regardless of Everton's history, watching the clip of the slashing incident is one of the snidest, most cowardly things I've seen...climbing over a wall, sneaking up and slashing a bloke involved in a fist fight then slinking back off again...sheer and utter cowardice.
Truly horrible little club (albeit with the odd handful of decent fans) that attract a huge percentage of yellow teethed, feral, thicko, inadequates who gain some sort of misguided validation of tagging themselves onto the pathetic and timewarped image they've fostered to give a contrived identity to an otherwise wholly irrelevant establishment.
The further fallacy espoused by fans of other clubs who talk about them as some sort of proper old school working class club with proper fans etc is equally bollocks as football didn't start in the 70s when hooliganism came to prominence and being working class and proper doesn't mean carrying on the way they do with the deluded sense of self aggrandisation and pride as if having the biggest collective of thuggish scum and mouth breathing inadequates going to football is some sort of achievement outside of its culturally relevant heyday of the 70s and 80s.
It is a myth they keep needing to peddle to justify having such a scum element amongst their ranks and give it some sort of false romantic or noble justification when the reality is it's just a bunch of lemons acting like a bunch of lemons.
They have some very hard, violent and psychopathic followers undoubtedly...good for them....(who really cares and what does it count for in 2019?), but the worst are the kind that @Carter refers to....the types who tag on to the image and the nutters and revel in the exploits of others as if it elevates them to some sort of tough guy image by association. Social media is awash with them in their silly caps and stone island coats in the aftermath of days like today and it is all very amusing.
They remind me of the Mickey Pierce character in Scum and for every "handy"nutter they have out looking to injure someone over a game of football as a release for their psychological/emotional issues, they'll have 50 of the skinny Jeremy Kyle types who if it came down to it on their own would struggle to fight their way out of a wet paper bag before their malnourished frames gave out due to a diet of 10 lambert and butler and supermarket energy drinks.
All very tragic and comically amusing and as much as they may laugh at the likes of silly little trainspotting Charlton the complete lack of self awareness they possess of how they are actually perceived by 99% of adults and people with a bit of nous and common sense is hilarious.
Brilliant post, but surely you are not expecting a response from any Millwall fans to that? It would take them five years and a Chambers dictionary before that happened!
The ones that post on here are all sensible to be fair.
I’ve heard Millwall fans argue that they are the true “London” club being closest to Charring X
As do Chelsea.
Historically the city of London is the true London. The city of London's flag has Charlton's sword on it as a tribute to the real London club. Case closed.
Centre of London is measured to Charring Cross not to The City of London. On that basis it’s Millwall that is the closest to the centre.
1. Swansea City 2. AFC Wimbledon 3. shrewsbury or Wolves 4. Millwall 5. Brighton or West Brom 6. Bristol City 7. Derby 8. Doncaster 9. Chelsea 10. Watford 11. Middlesbrough or Newport 12.Man City 13. Barnet or Brentford 14. Portsmouth or QPR 15. Man Utd 16. Crystal Palace
4 vs 9 would be carnage and give every copper within a 50 mile radius a chance of overtime, havent played each other in 24 years
I’ve heard Millwall fans argue that they are the true “London” club being closest to Charring X
As do Chelsea.
Historically the city of London is the true London. The city of London's flag has Charlton's sword on it as a tribute to the real London club. Case closed.
Centre of London is measured to Charring Cross not to The City of London. On that basis it’s Millwall that is the closest to the centre.
I’ve heard Millwall fans argue that they are the true “London” club being closest to Charring X
As do Chelsea.
Historically the city of London is the true London. The city of London's flag has Charlton's sword on it as a tribute to the real London club. Case closed.
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Says it all, they can stomach it with pride.
The violence isn't a cause of any shame as far as I can tell.
Personally I feel a lot of shame that a Charlton fan attacked an Accrington fan last week.
1. Swansea City
2. AFC Wimbledon
3. shrewsbury or Wolves
4. Millwall
5. Brighton or West Brom
6. Bristol City
7. Derby
8. Doncaster
9. Chelsea
10. Watford
11. Middlesbrough or Newport
12.Man City
13. Barnet or Brentford
14. Portsmouth or QPR
15. Man Utd
16. Crystal Palace
4 vs 9 would be carnage and give every copper within a 50 mile radius a chance of overtime, havent played each other in 24 years
Doncaster will probably get home tie against Portsmouth or QPR to continue proving we'd have gotten shite ties had we stayed in the competition
1. Why have the police let the Everton fans who you would say are the potential high risk, come into Surrey Quays (unescorted) and not diverted from Euston to Bermondsey South via London Bridge.
2. The so called Millwall fans are the really Millwall ? or are they just a bunch of little wanna be thugs who want to attach themselves to the club.
3. Anyone that carries a blade IMO should face minimum of 10 years behind bars. If you are prepared to carry a knife be it to a football match or on the streets there is intent, then to use it will only result in serious damage or ultimately the death of a person.
4. Why are the police letting a coach of Everton fans drive past the ground on the way to the match, to get stuck in traffic, and then let Millwall fans to continue to head towards the coach.
The police have a lot of questions to answer, Millwall will always continue to have this reputation and with that attracts idiots who have no interest in the game, and want to have a fight, have the opportunity to have a row with the Police and at the same time try and create a name for themselves, look at the idiots on the footage, they are nothing but kids and if you went one on one with them they would be on their toes, in a pack they are as hard as nails. Look how many stand at the back.
Millwall has a reputation from the 70's in which they have dinned out on for years, other than that they are a bunch of chavs that have nothing else to do and have no interest in the club, look at their next home attendance and the gate in comparison to that of Saturdays game.
How do you go about justifying double time every other weekend sitting in a van, if there is never any trouble.
I think the OB knew exactly what was going on, but chose to let it happen and film it, rather than avert the trouble in the first place.
This by no way excuses the actions of Saturday evening, but is food for thought.
What a bunch of softies, worried about a drop of rain. Normally watch games on their sofas at home. Reckon they must have been the ones that go once a season for a big game. Ground looked half empty at one end.