Without RD coming in the minus ten would've fucked us
TJ and MS had ran out of money
The American dude ain't bought any football club in the uk yet
No other bid or sniff of interest got past dd
And the mysterious Eastern European bid has never really got through the door and if the money was Ukrainian then abramovich would've Only stole it 8)
I get fukd off repeating that both yann and dale did not have to go both had offers on the table both chose to go one in a good way the other a bit less favourably
Now on here murphy and Parker get called greedy cnunts all the time
Why not these two
The infatuation with yann from some I do understand as he was a very good player
However I said from very early on in his negs I was uncomfortable that he seemed to be blackmailing cafc with powelly and powelly a contract be fore he would commit
Let alone the questionable negotiating method that he chose
Remember 1 more game and his terms for the remainder of this season stayed the same and he could continue negs in the summer
I attributed Harriot's miss to Sordell - so sorry about that. Not feeling any better today - yesterday was a game where if we had Kermogant, we would have won! We bossed them all over the park, but our strikers cant score and our final ball is woeful. We have to find a way to get this car with a misfiring engine over the line and where I was p to now pretty confident, it is now 50-50. The biggest issue for me is that last night's game was probably easier to win than to lose - it was the sort of game that makes you wonder about betting scandals - Barnsley were so poor - how do we get them to score 2? Not easy when they didn't create anything, but we managed it!
Not good.lost to a very very poor Barnsley team.to be honest I can't believe the stick some of the players are getting.obika Sordell Harriot all scapegoats for last night but I know il get shot down for this and probably ridiculed but is there any point why Jackson is in the team.he hasn't played well at all in the last few games and looks knackered.he just doessnt seem to get the going when were losing.he was very quiet vocally last night and very poor playing wise.would be better coming in last 20/25 mins.shame about Wiggins but will now give Fox a chance to see what he could do.the simple solution is to go back playing 4-4-2 with the strikers playing up front and not the wings.Wilson andhHarriot for the wings and cousins who was class last night alinsid poyet wbo was also class last night
Free header one nil. The only quality in the match. Two nil total fluke cross ( Hamer waved it past when he could have got a touch. Nothing else from Barnsley, so poor. Charlton one shot one goal, possession with no result, equally poor. Bottom three sorted, Charlton, Barnsley and Yeovil. To top it off the Charlton tickey office left a voicemail with a 'lose your tickets or pay extra £46 as your tickets are no longer a restricted view' They'll be getting a send my cheque back call this morning.
Painful but also frustrating as we did not start with our best lineup; Wilson and Astrid should start always Hamer was shaky. Jackson proves that you can put a shift in 2 matches per week. Morrison is better than wood and should start. Harriot is not a starter and can only be used a s an impact sub. Bolton is a must win and I hope riga puts on astrid to start. Bloody hell.
Just read Riga's post match comments. "My team played well, as we expected". All for positive attitude but that is just delusional. Is he really that clueless as to what went wrong, much of it starting with his his team selection? If so, nailed on relegation.
Barnsley didn't relegate us tonight, but they made staying up much harder - we have to find a couple of wins from somewhere and it is doable with the games we have left. It is now 50-50 though, where as a win would have put us almost safe!
Barnsley didn't relegate us tonight, but they made staying up much harder - we have to find a couple of wins from somewhere and it is doable with the games we have left. It is now 50-50 though, where as a win would have put us almost safe!
Think that the defeat would have knocked the little confidence and self belief the team had for the rest of the season.
One big difference Iv read on here twitter and Facebook , when we lost under Powell it was never he's fault it was the teams , lose under Riga and people want him gone saying he's tactically useless ect , he's dealing with a team playing twice a week every week he has to make changes , but regardless it's all he's fault but was never powells and unfortunately he'll never be accepted every time we lose a game ( fickle ).
I am not saying RD is all bad, and I certainly believe that he would prefer not to be relegated. So let's get that clear.
I have not met him in person, and neither I presume have you. However having studied everything I can get my hands on about him from all countries he is active in, I have a picture of a pig headed man driven to show people his unusual ideas are superior to more conventional ones. Again, that isn't terrible. But it can be if you refuse to listen to the counsel of experienced people just because they are not "your " people.
As for YK, I understand that you have some privileged access to players, but that is still often just hearsay, isn't it. And we might want to consider that in any pro football team, some people will not get on with each other. Therefore unless you were in the room at the time, how can you be sure that YK really " held us to ransom" ? How can you be sure that this "source" isn't just third hand from a player who just doesn't like Yann? There are however equally strong stories that Yann would have settled for significantly less than Bournemouth offered. And - do comment on this, mate - he would have settled for half what Leeds pay Noel Hunt.
It is patently ridiculous for you to suggest that Marvin Sordell was a player even 10th on CP's list during the close season. As for Obika, presumably Riga also evaluated him as Powell did.
You note though, that I am not slagging off Riga. He's doing what he thinks his best with the available resources. It's obvious therefore that the available resources are significantly worse than this time last year. If RD listened, he'd have realsied that.
I repeat, I'm not saying RD is all bad. But he does not listen, and he makes decisions about things he's not qualified to understand.
I don't always agree with Airman Brown either. But he warned us that we face an "avoidable relegation". This morning his warning looks increasingly justified.
Fantastic support from Barnsley 965 there last night , don't know what the arrangements were but that's more than decent Our last 3 midweek away Championship matches we had 198 at Leeds , 258 at Forest and 448 at Doncaster combined total of 904
Here you go guys there's a few of us who think we're going down , sky bet 10/3 , £10 get £40 back , drown your sorrows last game of the season with ya winnings , but look at them odds it's still in our hands win Friday and Riga is a hero again.
Thoughts about the game. 1. Strange/unbalanced team selection by Riga. 2. Thought we played ok, until the final third of the pitch. Same old, not enough quality/creativity 3. Don't think Barnsley were as bad as most say. They did a job on us. Not pretty by all means, but workman like. Don't forget they beat Reading and Yeovil away. 4. The game changed on 3 glaring misses, Wood managed somehow to take all the pace off a heading chance. Harriot, twisting his neck, when all he needed to do was get his forehead on the ball. Sordell clean through, ___k knows what he did. 5. Poyet, Cousins immense. Solly excellent, considering the amount of time out. 6. Don't agree with most about Wiggins. I think he seems to have "lost it" going forward. Defending ok 7. Ref, a joke. Allowed considerable amount of time wasting by Barnsley
Conclusion. Our failure to get a quality striker and decent creative midfielder in, may well cost us our Championship status.
I could easily vent my anger on here, but it's not going to change the result. We are up s***s creek without a paddle. It still is in our own hands. 27th April, everyone would of played 45 games. We still have Watford at home on the Tues 28th, before Blackpool.
One big difference Iv read on here twitter and Facebook , when we lost under Powell it was never he's fault it was the teams , lose under Riga and people want him gone saying he's tactically useless ect , he's dealing with a team playing twice a week every week he has to make changes , but regardless it's all he's fault but was never powells and unfortunately he'll never be accepted every time we lose a game ( fickle ).
Powell always got it in the neck when we lost. Plenty of "Powell out", "Powell's football is terrible" threads. There seemed to be this idea that replacing the manager would make us a better team and it's highly debatable that we are. Some areas have improved, others have got worse but I don't think anybody can argue that our squad isn't worse now than at the start of January.
The comments so far are ridiculous. We could not take our chances but otherwise we dominated that game. Most of our players were excellent (some not - Harriott) but we are toothless. Barnsley were ridiculously lucky
Generally agree with this, with the exception of our front two. Normally called strikers in every other team, but I cant do these two clowns the honour of that title. The real scary thing is however they are probably as good as it gets in our squad
Here you go guys there's a few of us who think we're going down , sky bet 10/3 , £10 get £40 back , drown your sorrows last game of the season with ya winnings , but look at them odds it's still in our hands win Friday and Riga is a hero again.
Yes but yesterday afternoon, I got 13/2.
And I am not a betting person. But I had the phrase "avoidable relegation" going round my head. I have never done this before. I looked at it like this, if I could pay someone £50 and Charlton would then stay up, I would gladly pay up; but if I have to be part of some half -assed experiment, then perhaps I should seek to cover my travel costs for returning for the last two home games.
One big difference Iv read on here twitter and Facebook , when we lost under Powell it was never he's fault it was the teams , lose under Riga and people want him gone saying he's tactically useless ect , he's dealing with a team playing twice a week every week he has to make changes , but regardless it's all he's fault but was never powells and unfortunately he'll never be accepted every time we lose a game ( fickle ).
Powell always got it in the neck when we lost. Plenty of "Powell out", "Powell's football is terrible" threads. There seemed to be this idea that replacing the manager would make us a better team and it's highly debatable that we are. Some areas have improved, others have got worse but I don't think anybody can argue that our squad isn't worse now than at the start of January.
No them threads only came along at the end of he's era , that's a fact no one would ever slag Powell off in the ground ect I kept hearing people slag off Riga last night that's what I'm saying Powell was a legend as a player so could do no wrong until he's last few games .
One big difference Iv read on here twitter and Facebook , when we lost under Powell it was never he's fault it was the teams , lose under Riga and people want him gone saying he's tactically useless ect , he's dealing with a team playing twice a week every week he has to make changes , but regardless it's all he's fault but was never powells and unfortunately he'll never be accepted every time we lose a game ( fickle ).
Powell always got it in the neck when we lost. Plenty of "Powell out", "Powell's football is terrible" threads. There seemed to be this idea that replacing the manager would make us a better team and it's highly debatable that we are. Some areas have improved, others have got worse but I don't think anybody can argue that our squad isn't worse now than at the start of January.
Precisely. And RD makes this mistake a lot, it turns out. He over-estimates the effect a manager can have on a squad that is obviously substandard. He's not the only chairman in the world to make that mistake, of course. It's odd though that he is a stats man, but ignores the stats which show that sacking managers has not usually brought about the benefits expected. One such study about the FAPL was released just a few days ago.
How good is Riga? Initially he would've listened to Powell's coaches Dyer and Matthew. He had a reasonable start - possibly a bit to do with the new manager syndrome, but still encouraging. In the last 2 games we're starting to see some unravelling of that good work. It doesn't take much to make worse an already poor "attack" unit - but Riga's constant tinkering is doing this. Sordell is hopeless and hapless and yet still played the full match in both games. Harriot has been erratic at best and low on confidence, yet he gets picked in the starting line-up last night. Two players that shouldn't be in the side! We'd be better suited to play Obika up front with 5 in midfield. Wilson wide right (in front of Solly), Astrit behind Obika with Cousins. And Poyet and Jackson in the middle. Obviously I'm relying on Astrit, Cousins and Wilson to get in some shots in support of Obika. This system would also work with Church and Piggot (from the bench). Not many goal attempts expected, but a more solid, balanced side that doesn't contain "headless chickens". Lightweight Reza, rookie Piggot and Church on the bench. How good do you have to be to save us from relegation?
And another thing that's pissing me off is people saying this doesn't feel like my club anymore . Sorry why and how ? We still play at the valley We're still called Charlton athletic We had 10 British players start last night We had four academy players start with another two on the bench. Iv read this atleast four times now and can't get my head round it !! Why does it not feel like their club ?
Pissed off Addick this morning with fans over reacting and being fickle ! And obviously the result last night .
I could easily vent my anger on here, but it's not going to change the result. We are up s***s creek without a paddle. It still is in our own hands. 27th April, everyone would of played 45 games. We still have Watford at home on the Tues 28th, before Blackpool.
It's hard at the moment, I know, but keep the faith. We can't accept defeat with 15 points to play for.
I can only get to one more home game due to other commitments and I've done my customary double figures in away games this season but after last night I'm glad in a way that I won't have to suffer any more of this shambles of a season. Even after 55 years this has been more tortuous than most. Typical Charlton taking you to edge of cup glory at last and kicking you in the teeth. Same in the league, destiny in their own hands last night one of the biggest games since the play off final and another slap in the face with a wet fish. It's not over yet there is hope but even my half full glass is starting to show signs of a leak. Roll on the close season so that we can all awake from a nightmare and a fresh start...................surely we can't sink even lower can we. I viewed the takeover by RD as 'interesting' times ahead more like 'worrying' right now. COYRs give it your all in the five cup finals ahead of you.
One big difference Iv read on here twitter and Facebook , when we lost under Powell it was never he's fault it was the teams , lose under Riga and people want him gone saying he's tactically useless ect , he's dealing with a team playing twice a week every week he has to make changes , but regardless it's all he's fault but was never powells and unfortunately he'll never be accepted every time we lose a game ( fickle ).
Powell always got it in the neck when we lost. Plenty of "Powell out", "Powell's football is terrible" threads. There seemed to be this idea that replacing the manager would make us a better team and it's highly debatable that we are. Some areas have improved, others have got worse but I don't think anybody can argue that our squad isn't worse now than at the start of January.
No them threads only came along at the end of he's era , that's a fact no one would ever slag Powell off in the ground ect I kept hearing people slag off Riga last night that's what I'm saying Powell was a legend as a player so could do no wrong until he's last few games .
Backing up your point to an extent, it's only natural that there would be more goodwill towards a popular former player that clearly loved the club. I don't imagine we'll have a moment like the speech at the end of last season (remember the optimism we felt then, before TJ weakened the squad over the summer?) from somebody without an affinity to Charlton.
But....the last two seasons have brought promotion and a 9th place finish so I suggest there has been little to complain about.
Riga just said that Wiggins is out for the season.
It's all very well blaming our probable relegation on a 20 year old winger for missing a header.
Me, I prefer to blame a 67 year old mathematician who knows less about football than I do, for selling our one decent striker. Oh, and the other jokers for not giving that striker a new contract earlier, so that this joker wouldn't find it so easy to sell him.
If you was the new chairman would you pay the sort of money yann wanted, for a 32 year old out of contract or would you accept the half a mil ? Honest question that's all . Think I'm gonna stay off here for a while , people need to calm down . Its in our hands still , keep the razors away tonight guys .
Riga just said that Wiggins is out for the season.
It's all very well blaming our probable relegation on a 20 year old winger for missing a header.
Me, I prefer to blame a 67 year old mathematician who knows less about football than I do, for selling our one decent striker. Oh, and the other jokers for not giving that striker a new contract earlier, so that this joker wouldn't find it so easy to sell him.
If you was the new chairman would you pay the sort of money yann wanted, for a 32 year old out of contract or would you accept the half a mil ? Honest question that's all . Think I'm gonna stay off here for a while , people need to calm down . Its in our hands still , keep the razors away tonight guys .
If he'd keep you up, yes.
Easy to say in hindsight but at the time we wasn't exactly doing well and I suppose he's scouts had told him about an under 21 polish striker banging In goals for fun with a lot of top European sides wanting him , sounds like a good player doesn't he , how wrong we all was.
Whether or not you agree, deep down, I think we will be okay (not on any medication at the mo).
But if we do go down; I don't want to just accept defeat, regardless how toothless up top we are. I want us to fight until the last minute, the players, the fans, the club.
It will not be smooth, it never is being a Charlton fan. But does anything in life consistently go smoothly?
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TJ and MS had ran out of money
The American dude ain't bought any football club in the uk yet
No other bid or sniff of interest got past dd
And the mysterious Eastern European bid has never really got through the door and if the money was Ukrainian then abramovich would've Only stole it 8)
I get fukd off repeating that both yann and dale did not have to go both had offers on the table both chose to go one in a good way the other a bit less favourably
Now on here murphy and Parker get called greedy cnunts all the time
Why not these two
The infatuation with yann from some I do understand as he was a very good player
However I said from very early on in his negs I was uncomfortable that he seemed to be blackmailing cafc with powelly and powelly a contract be fore he would commit
Let alone the questionable negotiating method that he chose
Remember 1 more game and his terms for the remainder of this season stayed the same and he could continue negs in the summer
He chose for that not to be envoked no one else
And it will be 100% confirmed at the Blackburn game.
I'd say we're as good as down
I am not saying RD is all bad, and I certainly believe that he would prefer not to be relegated. So let's get that clear.
I have not met him in person, and neither I presume have you. However having studied everything I can get my hands on about him from all countries he is active in, I have a picture of a pig headed man driven to show people his unusual ideas are superior to more conventional ones. Again, that isn't terrible. But it can be if you refuse to listen to the counsel of experienced people just because they are not "your " people.
As for YK, I understand that you have some privileged access to players, but that is still often just hearsay, isn't it. And we might want to consider that in any pro football team, some people will not get on with each other. Therefore unless you were in the room at the time, how can you be sure that YK really " held us to ransom" ? How can you be sure that this "source" isn't just third hand from a player who just doesn't like Yann? There are however equally strong stories that Yann would have settled for significantly less than Bournemouth offered. And - do comment on this, mate - he would have settled for half what Leeds pay Noel Hunt.
It is patently ridiculous for you to suggest that Marvin Sordell was a player even 10th on CP's list during the close season. As for Obika, presumably Riga also evaluated him as Powell did.
You note though, that I am not slagging off Riga. He's doing what he thinks his best with the available resources. It's obvious therefore that the available resources are significantly worse than this time last year. If RD listened, he'd have realsied that.
I repeat, I'm not saying RD is all bad. But he does not listen, and he makes decisions about things he's not qualified to understand.
I don't always agree with Airman Brown either. But he warned us that we face an "avoidable relegation". This morning his warning looks increasingly justified.
Our last 3 midweek away Championship matches we had 198 at Leeds , 258 at Forest and 448 at Doncaster combined total of 904
1. Strange/unbalanced team selection by Riga.
2. Thought we played ok, until the final third of the pitch. Same old, not enough quality/creativity
3. Don't think Barnsley were as bad as most say. They did a job on us. Not pretty by all means, but workman like. Don't forget they beat Reading and Yeovil away.
4. The game changed on 3 glaring misses, Wood managed somehow to take all the pace off a heading chance. Harriot, twisting his neck, when all he needed to do was get his forehead on the ball. Sordell clean through, ___k knows what he did.
5. Poyet, Cousins immense. Solly excellent, considering the amount of time out.
6. Don't agree with most about Wiggins. I think he seems to have "lost it" going forward. Defending ok
7. Ref, a joke. Allowed considerable amount of time wasting by Barnsley
Conclusion. Our failure to get a quality striker and decent creative midfielder in, may well cost us our Championship status.
US: Bolton (H), Massives (A), Blackburn (H), Watford (H), Bpool (A)
MILLWALL: Boro (A), Donnie (H), QPR (A), Bournemouth (H)
DONNIE: Derby (H), Millwall (A), Reading (H), Leicester (A)
BPOOL: Burnley (H), Brighton (A), Wigan (A), Charlton (H)
It's hard at the moment, I know, but keep the faith. We can't accept defeat with 15 points to play for.
The real scary thing is however they are probably as good as it gets in our squad
And I am not a betting person. But I had the phrase "avoidable relegation" going round my head. I have never done this before. I looked at it like this, if I could pay someone £50 and Charlton would then stay up, I would gladly pay up; but if I have to be part of some half -assed experiment, then perhaps I should seek to cover my travel costs for returning for the last two home games.
We still play at the valley
We're still called Charlton athletic
We had 10 British players start last night
We had four academy players start with another two on the bench.
Iv read this atleast four times now and can't get my head round it !! Why does it not feel like their club ?
Pissed off Addick this morning with fans over reacting and being fickle ! And obviously the result last night .
But....the last two seasons have brought promotion and a 9th place finish so I suggest there has been little to complain about.
But if we do go down; I don't want to just accept defeat, regardless how toothless up top we are. I want us to fight until the last minute, the players, the fans, the club.
It will not be smooth, it never is being a Charlton fan. But does anything in life consistently go smoothly?
COYR