If neither Powell or Riga are fundamentally the problem (which I agree with), then in our present pain I would far rather get a cuddle from Chris than Jose, and I would far more believe reassurance from Chris than Jose too. I would much rather get relegated and face next season with Chris Powell than Jose Riga, even though Riga is a decent man all round.
Disagree powells subs were shocking if he ever made one plus playing marginally better football . Plus having a higher percentage of wins under Riga .
...yeah, plus how crap Powell was the last time we were in the third division.
No he wasn't but I personally believe most managers would of got promoted with the team we had , hand picked a lot of teams best players . I always rated powell never thought we played great football and always thought he made bad subs but thought he was a good man manager but do believe the players wasn't playing for him in the end main evidence being shef utd away. But don't forget we've all got different opinions .
Here is a fact for you. Not an opinion. In the year CP got us promoted, Huddersfield's wage bill was 50% more than ours.
Yes they also got promoted we also signed something like 22 players that season .
Sheff Utd away Powell had his hands tied, he won't speak up about this as there's no way he'd do anything to tarnish anyones/definitely not his own reputation. He wasn't the best manager but he was CHARLTONS manager and had our name plastered all over him, this change now - after the honey moon period is over is starting to feel a bit strange. A non contracted head coach who was focusing on keeping it tight but attacking has now conceded 4 goals to Yeovil and Barnsley... at home.
Well for a start he has got a contract . Secondly you all win sir Chris Powell was the best manager ever I can't believe he's not at arsenal or spurs yet
If neither Powell or Riga are fundamentally the problem (which I agree with), then in our present pain I would far rather get a cuddle from Chris than Jose, and I would far more believe reassurance from Chris than Jose too. I would much rather get relegated and face next season with Chris Powell than Jose Riga, even though Riga is a decent man all round.
Disagree powells subs were shocking if he ever made one plus playing marginally better football . Plus having a higher percentage of wins under Riga .
The substitutions and team selection has been shocking for the last two games. I think we benefitted by "new manager" syndrome when Riga first took over but now things returning to normal as they were under Chris Powell. He would have been slaughtered by some if he had picked some of the team that played last night and made the same substitutions.
Few bad results and everyone is declaring he's rubbish.
Suspect fatigue is playing a much larger factor than the managerial choices. Maybe he was forced to play people out of position because players are ill/fractured eye socket/tired.
I don't think so - the limitations of the squad are being highlighted and fatigue is probably a factor. I have worries about certain player's abilities to turn this round, but the manager is not a big concern.
He is a massive concern. Watching last night he seemed bewildered at times and his selection was skewed from the off. He was picked as he is a yes man not good manager.
Welcome to the board Mr Mogodon. I think you might have the record for longest period between signing up and your first post. Thankfully not much has happened in the meantime so you've not missed anything...
Few bad results and everyone is declaring he's rubbish.
Suspect fatigue is playing a much larger factor than the managerial choices. Maybe he was forced to play people out of position because players are ill/fractured eye socket/tired.
Not me. I'm simply saying that RD decided that the manager was the key 'variable" in the performance up to end of Jan, and I am now saying that two and a half months on, it looks like the manager was not the key variable, since we are now in even worse shit. I am sure your point about fatigue is very valid.
No point saying "Powell would/would've have done this/that/the other" as he's not our manager any more.
Riga is our manager so he, alongside the players takes the credit and the blame now.
Riga did not appoint himself, nor did he have any say in the transfer window dealings. Whoever was responsible, will also need to take their share of credit and blame.
Few bad results and everyone is declaring he's rubbish.
Suspect fatigue is playing a much larger factor than the managerial choices. Maybe he was forced to play people out of position because players are ill/fractured eye socket/tired.
Not me. I'm simply saying that RD decided that the manager was the key 'variable" in the performance up to end of Jan, and I am now saying that two and a half months on, it looks like the manager was not the key variable, since we are now in even worse shit. I am sure your point about fatigue is very valid.
Even worse shit is debatable. But do agree that the major factor was never the manager this season, it was the players.
No point saying "Powell would/would've have done this/that/the other" as he's not our manager any more.
Riga is our manager so he, alongside the players takes the credit and the blame now.
Exactly.
People that keep bringing up CP after every hiccup are now really starting to worry me. I think they might be a little bit obsessed.
Its like having an ex bird that they can't get over. "Well she used to touch me that way" or "she used to let me do this…".
Let. It. Go.
Well, its like having a bird that I didn't want to dump, and didn't want to dump me, but who has been forcibly replaced by a stranger that has set me up with a new one. Not making comparisons is hard in that (very weird) situation.
To be fair, Riga's been dumped with the squad he's got. Powell did choose most of the squad, although he would probably not have chosen this team to compete in the Championship. The team is no better and, arguably, weaker than the one that got promoted from League 1.
In this division, you need 2 or 3 outstanding players, 3 or 4 others above average, 3 or 4 good solid players and, perhaps, one or two players that are on/off form at times. From what I have seen, only Poyet and Cousins are above average. Yes, several may be good solid players, but lack of above average players is the problem.
if we stay up, this summer is going to be very very interesting
If we stay up then next season could be even more depressing. And if we do down ... well, pretty much the same. Hope I am wrong but any spark of skill from a CAFC player could be a fast-track to Belgium
No point saying "Powell would/would've have done this/that/the other" as he's not our manager any more.
Riga is our manager so he, alongside the players takes the credit and the blame now.
Exactly.
People that keep bringing up CP after every hiccup are now really starting to worry me. I think they might be a little bit obsessed.
Its like having an ex bird that they can't get over. "Well she used to touch me that way" or "she used to let me do this…".
Let. It. Go.
And stop bringing up Powell after every success. "Riga won, Powell would have lost that game blah blah blah" is just the same thing and just as pointless
In the interest of balance, I'll TRY to see this from the manager's perspective....
The move to play Harriot on the right looks an odd one but I'd imagine Riga wanted him to cut in and create. A bit like Adjarevic did so successfully v Yeovil. It didn't work and Harriot needed to be subbed after about 25 minutes, with either Wilson or Adjarevic coming on.....providing they were fit enough!
Maybe Riga has noticed something jaded about Morrison in recent games? He looked ok to me v Yeovil but I wasn't at Brighton. Wood has been pretty reliable this season and earlier on was justifiably keeping Dervite out of the team, so there didn't appear to be much risk in playing him.
I understand the decision to play Sordell because in a team that is struggling to score, he does look as though he might get in behind a defence occasionally. His hold up play last night was ok but he had no confidence when facing goal.
Like Sordell, Obika relies on service. But last night, none of Jackson, Harriot, Wiggins, Solly, Cousins or Sordell were able to provide anything meaningful into the box. Sordell tried a number of through balls which got cut out, Wiggins did one brilliant run into the area (1st half) which amounted to nothing and quite a few crosses seemed to be over-hit....apart from Sordell's excellent cross to Harriot. Yes, Obika was played to the left but he wasn't stuck right out on the wing. Perhaps Riga had targeted the Barnsley right back, by putting a powerful player up against him. Twice in the first ten mins quick kicks from Hamer put Obika in behind the RB (to no avail...)
I wasn't worried about Poyet being subbed last night. He's a defensive midfielder at the moment and someone had to make way for Adjarevic. In time, he may well blossom into an all-action midfielder but at present most of his excellent work is being done in our half (someone has to do it...). He also needed a bit of rest after a difficult game at Brighton.
Foreign managers are used to working with players who have been brought up to play in a number of different positions so Harriot's lack of nous at right wing may well have been a complete shock to Riga. Harriot was non-league standard last night and the change in position shouldn't be used as a total cop-out. It's not like playing a goal-keeper at centre-back is it? But I do agree that for the rest of this season, Harriot should only be used as a left-winger.
The truth is, none of our front players are in any sort of form so there is now an argument to simply pick the ten outfield players who are in the best form and hope for the best!!
No point saying "Powell would/would've have done this/that/the other" as he's not our manager any more.
Riga is our manager so he, alongside the players takes the credit and the blame now.
Exactly.
People that keep bringing up CP after every hiccup are now really starting to worry me. I think they might be a little bit obsessed.
Its like having an ex bird that they can't get over. "Well she used to touch me that way" or "she used to let me do this…".
Let. It. Go.
Well, its like having a bird that I didn't want to dump, and didn't want to dump me, but who has been forcibly replaced by a stranger that has set me up with a new one. Not making comparisons is hard in that (very weird) situation.
Are you crying at the thought of Powell being gone ? Hahaha Tears rolling into your Powell cup staring at he's poster on the wall !
No point saying "Powell would/would've have done this/that/the other" as he's not our manager any more.
Riga is our manager so he, alongside the players takes the credit and the blame now.
Exactly.
People that keep bringing up CP after every hiccup are now really starting to worry me. I think they might be a little bit obsessed.
Its like having an ex bird that they can't get over. "Well she used to touch me that way" or "she used to let me do this…".
Let. It. Go.
Well, its like having a bird that I didn't want to dump, and didn't want to dump me, but who has been forcibly replaced by a stranger that has set me up with a new one. Not making comparisons is hard in that (very weird) situation.
Are you crying at the thought of Powell being gone ? Hahaha Tears rolling into your Powell cup staring at he's poster on the wall !
Strange comment from a "fellow Charlton fan". Feels more like something someone from Palace would post.
Lol it is funny you sound propa sad mate don't worry about it , you said it's like a bird you didn't wanna dump , Is it ok to want to dump a bird that's quite a nice person but when it comes to the crunch is shit in bed ?
Lol it is funny you sound propa sad mate don't worry about it , you said it's like a bird you didn't wanna dump , Is it ok to want to dump a bird that's quite a nice person but when it comes to the crunch is shit in bed ?
I wasn't the one to start the bird analogy, but if we're sticking with it, then I don't agree she was shit in bed. A few years ago she broke loads of personal records in bed, and things were pretty good last year too. This year, things in bed had been affected by external factors (like not being able to shoot).
But as the Charlton Life saying goes, enough of this. Lets move on.
Never had a problem shooting in bed myself... We all know that this time last year we had Fuller, Kermorgant and Obika up front and now we have Obika (and the rest). But this season in my opinion we have a better midfield. If Riga can stabilise things and make a decent selection for Friday and other games... And we get lucky with Referee, deflections etc then he's a hero for he has rescued a club that was 50:50 to go down when he took over. All we need is two wins from five - a shame we didn't get one last night but hopefully lessons learnt - no idea how Bolton are playing these days but I'm up for it Friday.
No point saying "Powell would/would've have done this/that/the other" as he's not our manager any more.
Riga is our manager so he, alongside the players takes the credit and the blame now.
Agree I don't see the point in all this comparison, at this point in time lets leave that for the post season round up. By all means slag off or praise Riga but doing the comparison ignores that CP was not sacked for performance but because he would not buy into the way RD wanted to run the footballing side of things. That may have been a wise decison on his part, at the moment we don't know, ut if he had bought in then he would have signed as the financial side of things had been agreed.
Results aside, personally I'm enjoying the football under Riga more than SCP. Last night, admittedly Barnsley were pony, we looked like we had a gameplan and until we got to the box everything was looking good. We are playing better football, have better movement and are creating more chances than we were under SCP...we aren't scoring though and that's neither RIga or SCP's fault. They can't put the ball in the net.
Barnsley were better 2nd half and with I think only one exception they got the ball into the box every time they attacked. We on the other hand faffed and farted around (Arsenaleqsue) looking for that perfect pass. We need BWP back to put his foot through the ball once in a while.
I think the bloke is clueless. Get rid and promote Dyer, after all, it appears he picked the teams that picked up the early points.
Results aside, personally I'm enjoying the football under Riga more than SCP. Last night, admittedly Barnsley were pony, we looked like we had a gameplan and until we got to the box everything was looking good. We are playing better football, have better movement and are creating more chances than we were under SCP...we aren't scoring though and that's neither RIga or SCP's fault. They can't put the ball in the net.
Barnsley were better 2nd half and with I think only one exception they got the ball into the box every time they attacked. We on the other hand faffed and farted around (Arsenaleqsue) looking for that perfect pass. We need BWP back to put his foot through the ball once in a while.
I think the bloke is clueless. Get rid and promote Dyer, after all, it appears he picked the teams that picked up the early points.
The only person who is clueless is you mate. So what evidence have you got that Dyer picked the team for the early points? Who picked the team when we beat Yeovil, Forest and Leeds? Honestly some of the stuff posted on here and other forums beggars belief.
Results aside, personally I'm enjoying the football under Riga more than SCP. Last night, admittedly Barnsley were pony, we looked like we had a gameplan and until we got to the box everything was looking good. We are playing better football, have better movement and are creating more chances than we were under SCP...we aren't scoring though and that's neither RIga or SCP's fault. They can't put the ball in the net.
Barnsley were better 2nd half and with I think only one exception they got the ball into the box every time they attacked. We on the other hand faffed and farted around (Arsenaleqsue) looking for that perfect pass. We need BWP back to put his foot through the ball once in a while.
I think the bloke is clueless. Get rid and promote Dyer, after all, it appears he picked the teams that picked up the early points.
The only person who is clueless is you mate. So what evidence have you got that Dyer picked the team for the early points? Who picked the team when we beat Yeovil, Forest and Leeds? Honestly some of the stuff posted on here and other forums beggars
Your right mate. I have not got a clue as to what this guy sees in Church, Green or Harriott.
Or why he dropped Morrison.
Or why he did not play Wilson on the right midfild.
Or why he did not swap Harriott to his natural wing when he was clealy having a mare or take him off
Or why he did not play are best side when it was are best chance of survival.
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Suspect fatigue is playing a much larger factor than the managerial choices. Maybe he was forced to play people out of position because players are ill/fractured eye socket/tired.
No point saying "Powell would/would've have done this/that/the other" as he's not our manager any more.
Riga is our manager so he, alongside the players takes the credit and the blame now.
People that keep bringing up CP after every hiccup are now really starting to worry me. I think they might be a little bit obsessed.
Its like having an ex bird that they can't get over. "Well she used to touch me that way" or "she used to let me do this…".
Let. It. Go.
In this division, you need 2 or 3 outstanding players, 3 or 4 others above average, 3 or 4 good solid players and, perhaps, one or two players that are on/off form at times. From what I have seen, only Poyet and Cousins are above average. Yes, several may be good solid players, but lack of above average players is the problem.
The move to play Harriot on the right looks an odd one but I'd imagine Riga wanted him to cut in and create. A bit like Adjarevic did so successfully v Yeovil. It didn't work and Harriot needed to be subbed after about 25 minutes, with either Wilson or Adjarevic coming on.....providing they were fit enough!
Maybe Riga has noticed something jaded about Morrison in recent games? He looked ok to me v Yeovil but I wasn't at Brighton. Wood has been pretty reliable this season and earlier on was justifiably keeping Dervite out of the team, so there didn't appear to be much risk in playing him.
I understand the decision to play Sordell because in a team that is struggling to score, he does look as though he might get in behind a defence occasionally. His hold up play last night was ok but he had no confidence when facing goal.
Like Sordell, Obika relies on service. But last night, none of Jackson, Harriot, Wiggins, Solly, Cousins or Sordell were able to provide anything meaningful into the box. Sordell tried a number of through balls which got cut out, Wiggins did one brilliant run into the area (1st half) which amounted to nothing and quite a few crosses seemed to be over-hit....apart from Sordell's excellent cross to Harriot. Yes, Obika was played to the left but he wasn't stuck right out on the wing. Perhaps Riga had targeted the Barnsley right back, by putting a powerful player up against him. Twice in the first ten mins quick kicks from Hamer put Obika in behind the RB (to no avail...)
I wasn't worried about Poyet being subbed last night. He's a defensive midfielder at the moment and someone had to make way for Adjarevic. In time, he may well blossom into an all-action midfielder but at present most of his excellent work is being done in our half (someone has to do it...). He also needed a bit of rest after a difficult game at Brighton.
Foreign managers are used to working with players who have been brought up to play in a number of different positions so Harriot's lack of nous at right wing may well have been a complete shock to Riga. Harriot was non-league standard last night and the change in position shouldn't be used as a total cop-out. It's not like playing a goal-keeper at centre-back is it? But I do agree that for the rest of this season, Harriot should only be used as a left-winger.
The truth is, none of our front players are in any sort of form so there is now an argument to simply pick the ten outfield players who are in the best form and hope for the best!!
Tears rolling into your Powell cup staring at he's poster on the wall !
Is it ok to want to dump a bird that's quite a nice person but when it comes to the crunch is shit in bed ?
But as the Charlton Life saying goes, enough of this. Lets move on.
We all know that this time last year we had Fuller, Kermorgant and Obika up front and now we have Obika (and the rest). But this season in my opinion we have a better midfield.
If Riga can stabilise things and make a decent selection for Friday and other games... And we get lucky with Referee, deflections etc then he's a hero for he has rescued a club that was 50:50 to go down when he took over.
All we need is two wins from five - a shame we didn't get one last night but hopefully lessons learnt - no idea how Bolton are playing these days but I'm up for it Friday.
Morrison may be fatigued, we don't know. The manager tends to know quite a lot more than fans in that department.
Harriott did move to the left, and then was taken off.
Passion is down to the players. Managers can't simply ask them nicely to put some effort in, it's down to them.