I met JR at the Under 21 game against Swansea this afternoon. Gotta say he came across as a good guy and spoke passionately about keeping us up. I'm a big Powell fan but gotta say I really liked Riga
We're dealing in things that can never be proven really, the pro CP of us will mostly swear blind that CP could have got these results (I'm in this group) and the anti-CP group will point to JR's credentials in these matches.
I think we've had some great results, and some worrying ones - I'm not convinced we've made taht big a change in form really in th Long-Run
We're dealing in things that can never be proven really, the pro CP of us will mostly swear blind that CP could have got these results (I'm in this group) and the anti-CP group will point to JR's credentials in these matches.
I think we've had some great results, and some worrying ones - I'm not convinced we've made taht big a change in form really in th Long-Run
I was as big a fan of CP as anyone i'm just prepared to give JR some slack while we're chalking up wins however they come.
As much a fan as I was of CP I was also there at Doncaster (a) earlier in the season you wouldn't even have thought it was a relegation six-pointer the way we were brushed aside so easily.
I was also there at Wigan where the inevitable surrender came having camped in our penalty box for the last 30 mins of the game too.
I have yet to see us play as badly as the Doncaster game nor surrender a lead as we did at Wigan under JR.
We're dealing in things that can never be proven really, the pro CP of us will mostly swear blind that CP could have got these results (I'm in this group) and the anti-CP group will point to JR's credentials in these matches.
I think we've had some great results, and some worrying ones - I'm not convinced we've made taht big a change in form really in th Long-Run
I don't think the difference is huge but I feel more confident of winning the 'winnable games' under Riga than Powell, however I don't think CP's teams would have been quite so convincingly beaten by Burnley, Derby and Brighton.
I'm happy with that thought as I'm a lot happier picking up 4 wins in 10 than losing narrowly or picking up a suprise draw against a top 6 side.
Wonder sometimes where luck comes in. I thought Powell tinkered too much and failed to play a settled side, especially up front. Jose has tinkered even more. However, he makes tactical changes earlier than Powell. But the luck element is fascinating. Maybe we could concede late against Bournemoth and Forest as nearly happened, and the pen go in last night. 6 points less, but same performances etc. We are now blaming Riga for no wins in 6 and getting us relegated. Small margins.
I think some people are overestimating the improvement. Yes we are playing better football but the goalscoring problem hasnt changed and the only reason we won against Yeovil was because they were really terrible although having said that it was a great win. Quite frankly, I think we would be in exactly the same position now with powell, lets not forget at the sheffield game we were bottom but with 3 or 4 games in hand with only a comparatively small point difference from safety. Yes full support for Riga but Powell is still who I want to be our manager because he was exactly what Charlton is all about and thats what mattered most to me.
This, up to an extent. Powell's not coming back. Riga doesn't represent an improvement though.
All I can say positive about Riga is he looks very smart in his grey suit. That 's about it. He looks more like someone who has worked in offices for years. Oh, wait ...
I'm glad to see the new manager doesn't pick strange teams, play players out of position and leave players who are having a mare on for too long. Last manager did that and got loads of stick for it.
I don't think so - the limitations of the squad are being highlighted and fatigue is probably a factor. I have worries about certain player's abilities to turn this round, but the manager is not a big concern.
I don't think so - the limitations of the squad are being highlighted and fatigue is probably a factor. I have worries about certain player's abilities to turn this round, but the manager is not a big concern.
He is a massive concern. Watching last night he seemed bewildered at times and his selection was skewed from the off. He was picked as he is a yes man not good manager.
To paraphrase one saying, "Same shit, different Manager".
To use another saying unamended, " You can't polish a turd".
I think we all know deep down that our problems don't stem from whoever is coaching/managing us but from the lack of depth in the squad. That's down to no investment in the squad last summer and RD buying us when he did because we needed saving from administration.
I personally think that there is a lot of stuff that's happened that we have no idea about. I think our finances over the last few years have been seriously problematic, and our troubles on the pitch are the end result of those.
I suspect, whether Championship or League One, there needs to be a clear out over the summer.
The flip side of my assertion about performance on the pitch and finance is that when we witness financial stability the end product will be performance stability. If RD can set us right then we stand a chance. I don't think this is achievable quickly, though, and not over the summer close season. It might be that one season in League One sets us up for the push for the Premiership?
Our serious lack of goals is starting to bite. We have some of the worst forwards I have seen in my fifty years supporting the club. Obika, Church, Sordell and to a lesser extent Reza. They are frankly embarrassing. With the exception of AA we are also lacking flair in midfield. Cousins, Jackson etc are artisans not artists. We have nobody who can get beyond the forwards to score. We needed to strengthen the squad last Summer, it was not done, that is what is going to send us down.
We have also not helped ourselves by selling Kermy and Stephens in January, this has severely weakened us. Also the poor players we have brought in like KOC, Polish Pete, Nego, have made the squad worse.
Riga's team last night,for me, was wrong. There is no way that Morrison or Wilson should have been rested for our most important game of the season.
Having said that he is trying to shuffle a very poor pack. The bottom line is that both Managers Powell and Riga have both tried to get a silk purse out of a sows ear and have failed to differing degrees. The bottom line is our players are not good enough to keep us in this division, that is why we will be playing first division football next Season.
I agree 100% - Powell was never the problem and the positive is that Riga isn't the problem either. The team he put out dominated an admittedly poor Barnsley side - but our forward play is so limited, a pub team that gets bodies behind the ball would have a chance of keeping us out. For the defensive lapses and other issues, that is ultimately the problem with the side.
Selling Kermogant has to be one of the stupidest things I have witnessed at the club - I have to cast my mind back to the 70s when we let Flanagan, Peacock and Powell go to America when we thought we were safe, and nearly got relegated to think of anything so reckless. We just about stayed up then and we may do that now- but it doesn't make it any less stupid.
So, my optimism about RD is not as high as it could be! Yes, you can have an idea and a system, but to lack any pragmatism and common sense when applying it suggests you are not a clever as you think you are. To quote Blackadder - the only slight flaw with your cunning plan Baldrick, is that it's bollocks!
I'm glad to see the new manager doesn't pick strange teams, play players out of position and leave players who are having a mare on for too long. Last manager did that and got loads of stick for it.
And I was one that did and am absolutely baffled by Riga last night. Harriot starting was the wrong move, Wilson and AA not starting was the wrong move. Harriet starting the second half was the wrong move.
Not sure CP would have done better as they both have a problem of forward crap quality. Lack of quality may be the cause of the strange decisions we have seen from both incumbents. Failure to strengthen in four successive transfer windows is coming home to roost.
Results aside, personally I'm enjoying the football under Riga more than SCP. Last night, admittedly Barnsley were pony, we looked like we had a gameplan and until we got to the box everything was looking good. We are playing better football, have better movement and are creating more chances than we were under SCP...we aren't scoring though and that's neither RIga or SCP's fault. They can't put the ball in the net.
Barnsley were better 2nd half and with I think only one exception they got the ball into the box every time they attacked. We on the other hand faffed and farted around (Arsenaleqsue) looking for that perfect pass. We need BWP back to put his foot through the ball once in a while.
I don't see he is doing a lot different to be honest 451 433 rotating would we be any different had it been powell we wont know but the basis is that on our day our defence can hold out against most sides.
What he did do was nick a couple of 1-0 early on and had a name that people could sing too.
In fairness to him though he is working with a load of shite
If neither Powell or Riga are fundamentally the problem (which I agree with), then in our present pain I would far rather get a cuddle from Chris than Jose, and I would far more believe reassurance from Chris than Jose too. I would much rather get relegated and face next season with Chris Powell than Jose Riga, even though Riga is a decent man all round.
We only had two shots on target last night against a very poor side. Barnsley's back four started to panic after our goal, but it was too little, too late at that point.
Passing football is all well and good, but we don't have the players to make it work at present. Also we are not in a situation where we can afford to mess around
If neither Powell or Riga are fundamentally the problem (which I agree with), then in our present pain I would far rather get a cuddle from Chris than Jose, and I would far more believe reassurance from Chris than Jose too. I would much rather get relegated and face next season with Chris Powell than Jose Riga, even though Riga is a decent man all round.
Disagree powells subs were shocking if he ever made one plus playing marginally better football . Plus having a higher percentage of wins under Riga .
Whenever we reach the Christmas period players have to be rested because we're playing three games in six days (Brighton.. Sheffield Wednesday.. Ipswich)
Yesterday Riga was forced to rest two of our key players in Morrison and Wilson (the latter I believe was a sensible choice because then our Right side would have been Solly with bad knees and Wilson with a bad eye socket... What do we do if both get injured?) because we've three games in six days.
Yes the Easter period is never as bad as Christmas because its usually only two games but for us this year it isnt... Yes Barnsley will probably be in the same boat but have they had to play every Saturday / Tuesday for the past month?
If neither Powell or Riga are fundamentally the problem (which I agree with), then in our present pain I would far rather get a cuddle from Chris than Jose, and I would far more believe reassurance from Chris than Jose too. I would much rather get relegated and face next season with Chris Powell than Jose Riga, even though Riga is a decent man all round.
Disagree powells subs were shocking if he ever made one plus playing marginally better football . Plus having a higher percentage of wins under Riga .
...yeah, plus how crap Powell was the last time we were in the third division.
If neither Powell or Riga are fundamentally the problem (which I agree with), then in our present pain I would far rather get a cuddle from Chris than Jose, and I would far more believe reassurance from Chris than Jose too. I would much rather get relegated and face next season with Chris Powell than Jose Riga, even though Riga is a decent man all round.
Disagree powells subs were shocking if he ever made one plus playing marginally better football . Plus having a higher percentage of wins under Riga .
...yeah, plus how crap Powell was the last time we were in the third division.
No he wasn't but I personally believe most managers would of got promoted with the team we had , hand picked a lot of teams best players . I always rated powell never thought we played great football and always thought he made bad subs but thought he was a good man manager but do believe the players wasn't playing for him in the end main evidence being shef utd away. But don't forget we've all got different opinions .
If neither Powell or Riga are fundamentally the problem (which I agree with), then in our present pain I would far rather get a cuddle from Chris than Jose, and I would far more believe reassurance from Chris than Jose too. I would much rather get relegated and face next season with Chris Powell than Jose Riga, even though Riga is a decent man all round.
Disagree powells subs were shocking if he ever made one plus playing marginally better football . Plus having a higher percentage of wins under Riga .
...yeah, plus how crap Powell was the last time we were in the third division.
No he wasn't but I personally believe most managers would of got promoted with the team we had , hand picked a lot of teams best players . I always rated powell never thought we played great football and always thought he made bad subs but thought he was a good man manager but do believe the players wasn't playing for him in the end main evidence being shef utd away. But don't forget we've all got different opinions .
Indeed. Opinions are like nipples, everybody has one. Some have firm points, others are barely discernible through layers, and some are displayed at every opportunity regardless of whether the audience has stated "I am interested in your nipples" or not. Cats have nineteen.
If neither Powell or Riga are fundamentally the problem (which I agree with), then in our present pain I would far rather get a cuddle from Chris than Jose, and I would far more believe reassurance from Chris than Jose too. I would much rather get relegated and face next season with Chris Powell than Jose Riga, even though Riga is a decent man all round.
Disagree powells subs were shocking if he ever made one plus playing marginally better football . Plus having a higher percentage of wins under Riga .
...yeah, plus how crap Powell was the last time we were in the third division.
No he wasn't but I personally believe most managers would of got promoted with the team we had , hand picked a lot of teams best players . I always rated powell never thought we played great football and always thought he made bad subs but thought he was a good man manager but do believe the players wasn't playing for him in the end main evidence being shef utd away. But don't forget we've all got different opinions .
Here is a fact for you. Not an opinion. In the year CP got us promoted, Huddersfield's wage bill was 50% more than ours.
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I think we've had some great results, and some worrying ones - I'm not convinced we've made taht big a change in form really in th Long-Run
As much a fan as I was of CP I was also there at Doncaster (a) earlier in the season you wouldn't even have thought it was a relegation six-pointer the way we were brushed aside so easily.
I was also there at Wigan where the inevitable surrender came having camped in our penalty box for the last 30 mins of the game too.
I have yet to see us play as badly as the Doncaster game nor surrender a lead as we did at Wigan under JR.
I'm happy with that thought as I'm a lot happier picking up 4 wins in 10 than losing narrowly or picking up a suprise draw against a top 6 side.
Erm, you were saying?
just different shit
To use another saying unamended, " You can't polish a turd".
I think we all know deep down that our problems don't stem from whoever is coaching/managing us but from the lack of depth in the squad. That's down to no investment in the squad last summer and RD buying us when he did because we needed saving from administration.
I personally think that there is a lot of stuff that's happened that we have no idea about. I think our finances over the last few years have been seriously problematic, and our troubles on the pitch are the end result of those.
Blaming Riga seems unfair. Blaming Powell seems equally unfair.
I suspect, whether Championship or League One, there needs to be a clear out over the summer.
The flip side of my assertion about performance on the pitch and finance is that when we witness financial stability the end product will be performance stability. If RD can set us right then we stand a chance. I don't think this is achievable quickly, though, and not over the summer close season. It might be that one season in League One sets us up for the push for the Premiership?
We have also not helped ourselves by selling Kermy and Stephens in January, this has severely weakened us. Also the poor players we have brought in like KOC, Polish Pete, Nego, have made the squad worse.
Riga's team last night,for me, was wrong. There is no way that Morrison or Wilson should have been rested for our most important game of the season.
Having said that he is trying to shuffle a very poor pack. The bottom line is that both Managers Powell and Riga have both tried to get a silk purse out of a sows ear and have failed to differing degrees. The bottom line is our players are not good enough to keep us in this division, that is why we will be playing first division football next Season.
Selling Kermogant has to be one of the stupidest things I have witnessed at the club - I have to cast my mind back to the 70s when we let Flanagan, Peacock and Powell go to America when we thought we were safe, and nearly got relegated to think of anything so reckless. We just about stayed up then and we may do that now- but it doesn't make it any less stupid.
So, my optimism about RD is not as high as it could be! Yes, you can have an idea and a system, but to lack any pragmatism and common sense when applying it suggests you are not a clever as you think you are. To quote Blackadder - the only slight flaw with your cunning plan Baldrick, is that it's bollocks!
Not sure CP would have done better as they both have a problem of forward crap quality. Lack of quality may be the cause of the strange decisions we have seen from both incumbents. Failure to strengthen in four successive transfer windows is coming home to roost.
Barnsley were better 2nd half and with I think only one exception they got the ball into the box every time they attacked. We on the other hand faffed and farted around (Arsenaleqsue) looking for that perfect pass. We need BWP back to put his foot through the ball once in a while.
What he did do was nick a couple of 1-0 early on and had a name that people could sing too.
In fairness to him though he is working with a load of shite
I'll sit in judgement come the end of the season.
I would much rather get relegated and face next season with Chris Powell than Jose Riga, even though Riga is a decent man all round.
Passing football is all well and good, but we don't have the players to make it work at present. Also we are not in a situation where we can afford to mess around
Yesterday Riga was forced to rest two of our key players in Morrison and Wilson (the latter I believe was a sensible choice because then our Right side would have been Solly with bad knees and Wilson with a bad eye socket... What do we do if both get injured?) because we've three games in six days.
Yes the Easter period is never as bad as Christmas because its usually only two games but for us this year it isnt... Yes Barnsley will probably be in the same boat but have they had to play every Saturday / Tuesday for the past month?