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Could Roland just be right?
mascot88
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Could he? Could he just be one of those blokes who everyone secretly hates a bit but everything he touches turns to gold making unpopular decisions along the way? Time will tell obviously ... just so drained by all this... A couple of wins and we will all feel an awful lot better...
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We go down he is wrong.
We stay up he is half right.
We stay up and he invest in players not dumps players on us he is three quarters right.1 -
You dont become a multi millionaire without being right more often than not, and you certainly don't achieve it without upsetting one or two people along the way.
Lets give the guy a break and have a little faith, after all moaning isn't going to have any affect.12 -
Far to early to know.0
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Yeah, but he didn't make his money through football, It's a completely different animal from running an electronics company. Just ask Alan Sugar.................danhughes99 said:You dont become a multi millionaire without being right more often than not, and you certainly don't achieve it without upsetting one or two people along the way.
Lets give the guy a break and have a little faith, after all moaning isn't going to have any affect.4 -
granted, but he is doing what he knows and what works for him. Just think some are being a tad too quick to criticise.tangoflash said:
Yeah, but he didn't make his money through football, It's a completely different animal from running an electronics company. Just ask Alan Sugar.................danhughes99 said:You dont become a multi millionaire without being right more often than not, and you certainly don't achieve it without upsetting one or two people along the way.
Lets give the guy a break and have a little faith, after all moaning isn't going to have any affect.0 -
If you wait long enough a bus will come along. Doesn't make it a good service. All we can do is judge him by what we have seen. Failure to strengthen, our best driving midfielder and top scorer sold and now the loyal and respected manager sacked. If we go down that will be on his watch too. Hard to avoid the obvious conclusion that he hasn't changed the club's direction one iota. It's precisely where we were headed with Jiminez. A return to League One will move this club back to the lowest point of the 1970's and will lower our stock even further. It's a long way back and we will need investment to do that. I don't see the Duchatelet model delivering that as we struggle to break even on significantly less revenue. That's what will happen unless he changes his philosophy.2
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Was RD actually there last night?0
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Ironic that you moaned a lot about the last manager (when we lost).danhughes99 said:after all moaning isn't going to have any affect.
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I moaned about his performances win lose or draw. But he had a fair crack of the whip and didnt deliver.Henry Irving said:
Ironic that you moaned a lot about the last manager (when we lost).danhughes99 said:after all moaning isn't going to have any affect.
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He could well be right. People don't like change and his unconventional methods certainly represent a lot of change. Judgement reserved.1
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danhughes99 said:
I moaned about his performances win lose or draw. But he had a fair crack of the whip and didnt deliver.Henry Irving said:
Ironic that you moaned a lot about the last manager (when we lost).danhughes99 said:after all moaning isn't going to have any affect.
You still moaned which you yourself say "will have no effect".
I haven't got a problem with you moaning about Powell but it is a bit rich for you to then ask others who disagree with you not to complain and give someone a break. You can't have both ways.
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He may well be right in realising his ambitions and being rich enough to exploit Charlton Athletic whilst doing so.1
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Ok henry your right im wrong. Please forgive me!1
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Yes, of course he could be and hope he is. So many are jumping to conclusions and none of us have all or many of the facts.
One thing is certain, he will try to make money from every club. My guess is he will try to first break even by signing players between his small network, most profitable team buying best quality available at one of those making a loss (if player A can genuinely help the more profitable team to improve further) etc. Build from there on all fronts and ensure a dividend is returned from TV money and as player sales to teams outside the network also help achieve this.
Where do the riches lie, Champions League and Premiership, based on TV revenues, merch etc.? I would hazard a guess that the two priorities would be SL to keep winning their league and gradually improving performance in CL yoy and us into the Prem over 3-5 years, predominantly built on our academy output.
One thing I'd be more confident about is how much information RD is willing to share with us, the media, every other football club in the world about his strategy - very little. I totally agree with that approach in business, quietly get on with implementing your strategy and gradually build the success based on the success criteria you have set for the venture.
Will this satisfy every fan's thirst for comfort messaging, no, but it will I believe give us more of an advantage over transfers and club transformation (securing the most attractive pricing deals etc) in future.
Good luck Roland - I am nervously excited about what results from your plans.0 -
Poor attempt. You'll be saying "move on" next. Maybe not today but soon.danhughes99 said:Ok henry your right im wrong. Please forgive me!
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A lot depends on what you mean by "right". Duchatelet has not bought Charlton as a feeder Club for Standard Liege and nor is he in it for a quick buck. If the opinionated, but dim witted Martin Samuels had paused for thought it might have occured to him that paying £14m (or even £10m) and funding losses of circa £3-5m p.a. or more is a ferociously expensive way of acquiring the odd player who might just be good enough for the Champions League. Perhaps he was forgetting the transfer market and the loan system.
There are two ways in which an owner of a Club in the Championship might proceed. The first is to spend money, either for fun (as in the case of the owner of Huddersfield - who I saw on the train from London Bridge to Charlton last night) or more ambitiously to secure promotion to the promised land of the Premier League. Duchatelet has made it clear that he is not going to do either. The second approach, and the only option for Duchatelet, is to focus on "smart" player recruitment and development and to think hard about "the time value of money" when negotiating contracts.
Ironically, and I'm not criticising Chris Powell when I say this, or defending Duchatelet (who has a lot to prove at this point), the appointment of Jose Riga is the first thing Duchatelet has done which fits with his apparent strategy and suggests that he might actually be serious. Riga is clearly intelligent, analytical, perhaps even scientific. He is likely to be the antithesis of the traditional British Manager and, hence, much more compatible with Duchatelet. That does not mean he'll be a Yes man. Most importantly, his background is in player development. And that's the key point.
Who knows if its going to work out or even, as some are already suggesting, if Riga's long-term role will be to run the Academy and to advise, more generally, on coaching and development matters with somebody else taking over as Head Coach in the Summer. However, the Duchatelet experiment has to be worth a try and it's easy to understand why he prefers this, more intelligent approach to the alternative of throwing money down a bottomless pit. We may never know whether Chris Powell really did have the chance to be part of this strategy or, alternatively, whether he did, but just couldn't buy into it. If the latter then that's his prerogative, but we move on.
I suspect the answer to the question is, "Yes, Roland could be right, but only time will tell if he is right." What is not in doubt is that he's the only shot we've got. I certainly hope he's right, therefore.19 -
Exactly this. His master plan might work out very well for him, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's in the interests of Charlton.seth plum said:He may well be right in realising his ambitions and being rich enough to exploit Charlton Athletic whilst doing so.
There's a lot more to a club than the results on the pitch. We've managed as an independent entity for over a century. Hate the idea of being the UK branch of FC Duchatelet, even if it does bring results on the pitch (which it certainly hasn't so far).3 -
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Dislike the bloke already.2
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Agreed. However I think that's where there seems to be a line between supporters. Those that want success however that is achieved and those that want Charlton the club to 'feel' the same. Of course we have no idea if Charlton will lose all of it's personality, likewise we have no idea if this will bring any success on the pitch.MrLargo said:
Exactly this. His master plan might work out very well for him, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's in the interests of Charlton.seth plum said:He may well be right in realising his ambitions and being rich enough to exploit Charlton Athletic whilst doing so.
There's a lot more to a club than the results on the pitch. We've managed as an independent entity for over a century. Hate the idea of being the UK branch of FC Duchatelet, even if it does bring results on the pitch (which it certainly hasn't so far).0 -
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As others have said, it is entirely a question of what you mean by 'right'. He has a plan, which is long-term and should be judged as such. It definitely should not be judged on how we do this year.
The big decisions he has made so far are entirely consistent with that plan. Iindeed, I honestly cannot see how anyone would really want CP to be forced - by his own love for the club - to stay in a job where he was obviously unhappy and was not buying into what RD is planning, to me it is just selfishness for people to demand that, but that is only my opinion.
So I admire the way that he has a thought-out long-term strategy and is intent on sticking to it - that is what we need and I would say that it will be at least two or three years before we can make a proper assessment.
I don't know the man to like him or not, but I do admire what he has done so far.0 -
He's wrong on all levels. A wrong 'un.4
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Simon Jordan was right about a lot and became a multi millionaire but he struggled to get football right2
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He could be right, and as long as his aims of making money are compatible with my dreams of seeing Charlton successful then I say good luck to him. I can't really see that asset stripping or player sales would ever make enough cash to repay his investment, so let's hope it's onwards and upwards with him.
That said, I do have misgivings about being part of a stable of clubs. I'm really not sure how healthy it is. I'm concerned that players will (continue to be?) foisted upon the team whether required or not, that someone looking at a bigger picture than just Charlton will meddle with team selections, or that we could lose our academy products before they've been given a chance to flourish with us. Although, when did we ever keep our starlets for long anyway?
I dream that one day we'll have a chairman/owner/benefactor who is not only minted but has a genuine love of Charlton. A Whelan, a Walker, Kenwright, Harding.... One of the things that really got to me about the last mob was that the only one with a voice was so open about his love of Man City. Not that I've anything against them, other than the fact that they are not Charlton. It's probably too much to ask but I long for a time when the club is owned/run by people who love the club for what it is, and don't see it as a potential cash cow.6 -
For me he is wrong. I support a football club, not a project. It's immaterial if it's a successful business project.2
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Dictionary definition of project 'something that is contemplated, devised, or planned; plan; scheme'.Mortimerician said:For me he is wrong. I support a football club, not a project. It's immaterial if it's a successful business project.
Surely we had a project to get us out of League 1, no objections to that project was there?0 -
I'm sure Morts will reply for himself but the difference is that the Division One "project" related exclusively to CAFC. This project, for better or for worse, relates to a network of clubs across Europe, of which we are just one. That is a really important difference. We may differ in opinion of whether it will work but we should never forget that that is what it is.iaitch said:
Dictionary definition of project 'something that is contemplated, devised, or planned; plan; scheme'.Mortimerician said:For me he is wrong. I support a football club, not a project. It's immaterial if it's a successful business project.
Surely we had a project to get us out of League 1, no objections to that project was there?
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Just the league one title with record points, a ninth place finish in the championship with no money to spend and an all time record away league win. Rubbish that...danhughes99 said:
I moaned about his performances win lose or draw. But he had a fair crack of the whip and didnt deliver.Henry Irving said:
Ironic that you moaned a lot about the last manager (when we lost).danhughes99 said:after all moaning isn't going to have any affect.
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Douchebag is a complete wrong un. I would gladly sacrifice success for a club that is OURS. Part of the community. Players you can relate to. We are but a small corner in this fools emporium, and we have lost the club I love. Devastated.15
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The evidence for this statement is...?Gammysnr said:He's wrong on all levels. A wrong 'un.
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