but if RD hadn't have stepped in we would be facing administration ? id much rather go down RD's route then administration route
so on that basis , if Roland wants to call the shots, ill support him.
What if he wants to change our name? Shirt? Badge? Ground?
Where does it end?
has he said hes going to do that ? no so there is not need for that comment,
stick to what has been confirmed, not something you just made up in the space of 30 seconds
I asked WHAT IF and was merely trying to ask you where your line was in regards to he saved the club so its ok.
in that case im sorry, read it wrong, my hands are up
yes that would be horrendous , but honestly i cant see that happen, we shouldnt think the worse cause he has sacked out manager
Cheers.
I understand what you are saying and i have obviously highlighted some worst case scenarios like Cardiff and Hull but thats the point i was trying to get a cross is that we have no real say anymore and it's scary.
I just dont like the way it is going. We could end up staying up and Roland would feel he has made the correct decision.
Great OP. If we were top of the league, in the FA cup final, playing some good football a la Leicester, then by all means create a fuss, but we are relegation bound under Powell. FACT!
But we are not relegation bound because of Powell. FACT.
Time will tell that cannot be denied. However clocks tick in the present just as much as in the future. Right here, right now it feels like I am indeed supporting Standard Lieges feeder club, or if not that, some kind of experiment about the business of football of which we are a mere cog that may or may not fit. When we kick off tomorrow what is going to excite us? For me it is a win or nothing, so I intend to start telling the time from the moment the ref blows the final whistle tomorrow.
If Powell had bought them players in would we be a feeder club then?
Come lets get real RD is according to some only one step away from raping and pillaging our local area, whilst inviting Kim Jong-un to take over the Community Manager role, an getting Putin, to sort out Saturdays trip to the den !
We can only guess what he is going to do, let's cut some slack until we know. I would have had AA starting Sunday and Reza to, if CP was trying to make a point by not playing them, he did it at our expense !
Great OP. If we were top of the league, in the FA cup final, playing some good football a la Leicester, then by all means create a fuss, but we are relegation bound under Powell. FACT!
But we are not relegation bound because of Powell. FACT.
I must have missed Powells tactics and team selection pre RD then. Unfortunately its the managers team and tactics that got us in this position. FACT
If I hear any more rubbish about us being a 'feeder club' for Standard Liege i will go barking mad. Some people need a reality check - RD has paid £20m for a club which loses a huge amount of money every year (which he, therefore, has to pay).
The amount of difference that we could make by developing Liege's fringe players is marginal and would no way cover these losses.
If you wanted to buy a feeder club - you would not buy Charlton!
The only way for RD to avoid losing a vast amount of money is to make Charlton a success, which he is trying to do, time will have to tell if he achieves it.
We are the biggest definition of a feeder club in the UK at the moment, we are Standard Liege reserves. We have their former (SACKED) manager, we have their dud players. We are being USED. He hasn't bought us to lose money and cheer us on up the leagues, wake up.
Sorry, but just because I do not blithely go along with every conspiracy theory that someone happens to trump up, does not mean I need to wake up - quite the opposite.
Do you actually understand that has paid £20m for the club and that the club loses money every year, which he has to pay for? Also that he has to cover the losses of both Charlton and Liege, so there is no benefit to him in 'getting players off Liege's wage bill'.
Let us, very conservatively, assume that his loss would come to about £25m over the next five years. Is it reasonable to think that if he sold every player that if he sold every player who was any good for the next five years that he would earn £25m??? No! Particularly if we are spending most of our time in League 1.
This is a myth. You would never, ever buy a club in the English Championship to be a feeder club - the losses made are simply too big.
You are quite right - he wants to make money, but the ONLY way that he can do that to make the club more successful.
I actually think they have done CP a huge favour. The poor man was suffering, anyone who saw him sitting in the dug out a couple of weeks ago could see that. He was so very unhappy, but couldn't find it in him to walk away. He leaves still a Charlton hero and will hopefully find another job quickly. Things could not continue as they were. As for RD, his system will either be a great success or a spectacular failure. If it's the latter, he won't be around for long and the club will be back up for sale, he's getting old and will not handle the stress associated with failure very well.
Powell had no money - If he had Leicester's budget we would be at th eother end of the table. As others have said - this is not about Powell's sacking - that will be consigned to history now. but we mustn't forget that he has gone because he couldn't agree the footballing way forward. He could have been a yes man or left, but stayed because he is one of us - and if we are not going to be respectful to a man like Chrissy - I don't want to be part of this club. but we will of course - the calling of his name and clapping will be our way of thanking him for all he has done, but it will also send a message to the owner. We can say to him - it is your money do as you wish! Or we can say, it is our club and we have supported it under a number of different owners and wll be supporting it long after you have gone and we are not jsut going to meekly accept things!
Powell had no money - If he had Leicester's budget we would be at th eother end of the table. As others have said - this is not about Powell's sacking - that will be consigned to history now. but we mustn't forget that he has gone because he couldn't agree the footballing way forward. He could have been a yes man or left, but stayed because he is one of us - and if we are not going to be respectful to a man like Chrissy - I don't want to be part of this club. but we will of course - the calling of his name and clapping will be our way of thanking him for all he has done, but it will also send a message to the owner. We can say to him - it is your money do as you wish! Or we can say, it is our club and we have supported it under a number of different owners and wll be supporting it long after you have gone and we are not jsut going to meekly accept things!
Chris Powell has been sacked, is that the end of the world? no end of charlton ? of course not !
Ive seen threads of "contacting the club" .. "lets all protest" blah blah
I have just seen someone say " we should all stand up Wednesday and turn out back to the players " - wow... wow... WOW
seriously wtf is wrong with half of you lot ? i support CHARLTON ATHLETIC FOOTBALL CLUB , not Chris Powell , i love the guy dont get me wrong , do i feel its a little harsh? granted but to protest ? don't be ridiculous!.
The negativity on here is a joke, no wonder the guys on ITTV forum mock us ? its embarrassing how we act to things we don't like , Chris is gone now onto Jose, he may not be our choice but end of the day its not our choice to make, we are bottom of the championship ( yes don't get me wrong 4 games in hand but that is not 12 points guaranteed ) we are in this position because we have not been good enough all season, with Yann , Dale and Ben
We need to get behind the boys & Jose we may not like it but the last thing we should do is protest
Ill be there Wednesday cheering on the 11 that's out there,Ii wont be doing any stupid protests.
Please many of you grow up, or go support Chelsea you can give me abuse as much as you like for my outburst , I really don't care
( im not a powell out guy , i wanted him to stay but he didnt .. oh well)
Charlton by blood you seemed to pull me up on my negativity toward Jackson (that will always be the case I'm afraid). Yet I am in the same boat as you here. I think Powell is a good manager who has done a great job for us, but talk of protests, ceasing to support the club is over the top. The club has gone through harder times than this. We have financial stability under RD, something we wouldn't have had if he hadn't have stepped in. I genuinely believe Powell has been dealt an unfair hand in managing the side over the last 12 months. However (in creeps the negativity again), the team and results this season have been poor. After the Sheff Utd game was the first time I was frustrated with CP and the approach/tactics etc. We have 16 games left. A decent run of games to give us a chance of staying up. I believe the team and the club need us all to give Riga and the new players a chance and get behind what is now 'Charlton'. We won't help the situation by turning our back on the club/not renewing season tickets etc. Do not let the heart rule the head in this instance. In addition to that I would say the club is in your heart more than one man, no matter how much of a true legend that one man was (and still is)
Of course he is not willingly trying to ruin us. That's not to say his crazy European network is going to work out, and that he has not made some questionable decisions since he took over as owner.
Powell had no money - If he had Leicester's budget we would be at th eother end of the table. As others have said - this is not about Powell's sacking - that will be consigned to history now. but we mustn't forget that he has gone because he couldn't agree the footballing way forward. He could have been a yes man or left, but stayed because he is one of us - and if we are not going to be respectful to a man like Chrissy - I don't want to be part of this club. but we will of course - the calling of his name and clapping will be our way of thanking him for all he has done, but it will also send a message to the owner. We can say to him - it is your money do as you wish! Or we can say, it is our club and we have supported it under a number of different owners and wll be supporting it long after you have gone and we are not jsut going to meekly accept things!
Someone on another thread seriously suggested he would support the opposition if Powell comes to the valley as manager of another side. Unbelievable!
That was me and I stand by that for a one-off fixture. Powell's treatment has been appalling and I'd like him to rub Duchatelet's nose in it and show just what a good manager he is.
NOONE ACTUALLY BELIEVES HE IS TRYING TO RUIN US IN THE FINANCIAL SENSE!
WE ARE WORRIED BECAUSE THE CLUB IS LOSING ITS IDENTITY FFS
The same identity that was definitely gone during MS + TJ days?
When was the last time we had this magic identity?
On the pitch I would say we had this identity when Charlton were promoted from League 1. A team full of hungry players, playing for the red shirt with an affinity to the stands. That certainly isn't there now. I would even say that there is some of that there now with the likes of Poyet and Cousins coming through. That is changing though with the SL players coming in.
Off the field I would say its been one balls up after another since the manner in which the Dowie appointment was conducted, the scaling back of the community initiatives post-relegation and the disassembling of the ladies team.
When I left The Valley on boxing day after watching Yann curl in a 25 yars free kick, having outfought a team clearly superior to us I never thought in a million years we would be where we are now.
As I said at the time of the takeover, be careful what you wish for.
I had no concerns of our Championship safety, nor for Powell, pre takeover - but to quote OOh Aah - 0% safety, 100% league one mediocrity.
Personally dont think its an embarassment to have a negative reaction to this decision. I hope we get an early goal tomorrow and stuff Huddersfield out of sight, but if the opposite happens I hope as fans we show a bit of personality and make our feelings known.
When I left The Valley on boxing day after watching Yann curl in a 25 yars free kick, having outfought a team clearly superior to us I never thought in a million years we would be where we are now.
When I left The Valley on boxing day after watching Yann curl in a 25 yars free kick, having outfought a team clearly superior to us I never thought in a million years we would be where we are now.
As I said at the time of the takeover, be careful what you wish for.
I had no concerns of our Championship safety, nor for Powell, pre takeover - but to quote OOh Aah - 0% safety, 100% league one mediocrity.
Personally dont think its an embarassment to have a negative reaction to this decision. I hope we get an early goal tomorrow and stuff Huddersfield out of sight, but if the opposite happens I hope as fans we show a bit of personality and make our feelings known.
no concerns pre takeover?? do you think the previous owners had the money to rent out the dome for the pitch? we were heading into administration, probably lost a lot more players than just yann and dale and -10 points with no players coming in and us all fucked.
I can't say I'm happy that CP has gone, but at heart I'm not massively surprised. I'll give the new guy the benefit of the doubt as he deserves, it's not his fault he's come into the situation he has. What does bother me (and I feel ought to bother you) is that the people in the boardroom are not making decisions based on what's best for Charlton; they are making them based on what's best for Standard Liege. If you can remember the stick Watford got last season over the Pozzo loans, I think this is in many ways much worse. It has been stated by the owner that we are effectively an expensive to maintain feeder club. I don't support Sub-Standard Liege and am now developing an irrational dislike of them simply because of what Roland is up to. Can't make the next few games so I have no chance to work out how I feel about this by seeing how the team respond, though I can of course get a good idea from feedback here. The Liege fans were right when they warned us: Bumpy ride ahead. At least they made their feelings known. And I don't think the feeder club idea is going to work the way that Roland sees it. Young English players who are any good will go to clubs prepared to pay for them (Prem or top championship). Our language skills in the UK are so dreadful that most will not be able to go abroad to another club (it's rare for English players to do well abroad). How does that make us more attractive?
I can't say I'm happy that CP has gone, but at heart I'm not massively surprised. I'll give the new guy the benefit of the doubt as he deserves, it's not his fault he's come into the situation he has. What does bother me (and I feel ought to bother you) is that the people in the boardroom are not making decisions based on what's best for Charlton; they are making them based on what's best for Standard Liege. If you can remember the stick Watford got last season over the Pozzo loans, I think this is in many ways much worse. It has been stated by the owner that we are effectively an expensive to maintain feeder club. I don't support Sub-Standard Liege and am now developing an irrational dislike of them simply because of what Roland is up to. Can't make the next few games so I have no chance to work out how I feel about this by seeing how the team respond, though I can of course get a good idea from feedback here. The Liege fans were right when they warned us: Bumpy ride ahead. At least they made their feelings known. And I don't think the feeder club idea is going to work the way that Roland sees it. Young English players who are any good will go to clubs prepared to pay for them (Prem or top championship). Our language skills in the UK are so dreadful that most will not be able to go abroad to another club (it's rare for English players to do well abroad). How does that make us more attractive?
Can you show me where the owner has said that we will be Liege's feeder club. I have not seen this so it is a genuine question.
I frankly don't give a hoot what anyone thinks of me but if you want to be embarassed by me, go ahead. I am devastated, literally feeling sick and I can't see what is left to support.
Would love to know what people think our 'identity' is. I saw hundreds of comments of 'typical charlton bottlejobs' and so on.
Our identity is symbolised in simon church, a lot of running but not much else.
Other managers comment before games 'we know charlton will be hard to break down but if we can take our chances we'll be fine'
If this is our identity i would be happy to lose it if it means us playing more attractive football and scoring more goals, RD said we will be bringing players through the academy.
People are crying about players being brought in from overseas like PP, but if theres value for money why not spend it on players that are not from the english leagues. Why spend 4.5 mil on dwight gale when you can get 2 or 3 max gradel standard players.
Everyone needs to chill out, after sunday everyone said 'we are down 100%' so why not roll the dice with some fresh ideas, it might just pay off.
I can't say I'm happy that CP has gone, but at heart I'm not massively surprised. I'll give the new guy the benefit of the doubt as he deserves, it's not his fault he's come into the situation he has. What does bother me (and I feel ought to bother you) is that the people in the boardroom are not making decisions based on what's best for Charlton; they are making them based on what's best for Standard Liege. If you can remember the stick Watford got last season over the Pozzo loans, I think this is in many ways much worse. It has been stated by the owner that we are effectively an expensive to maintain feeder club. I don't support Sub-Standard Liege and am now developing an irrational dislike of them simply because of what Roland is up to. Can't make the next few games so I have no chance to work out how I feel about this by seeing how the team respond, though I can of course get a good idea from feedback here. The Liege fans were right when they warned us: Bumpy ride ahead. At least they made their feelings known. And I don't think the feeder club idea is going to work the way that Roland sees it. Young English players who are any good will go to clubs prepared to pay for them (Prem or top championship). Our language skills in the UK are so dreadful that most will not be able to go abroad to another club (it's rare for English players to do well abroad). How does that make us more attractive?
Can you show me where the owner has said that we will be Liege's feeder club. I have not seen this so it is a genuine question.
Sincerely my genuine answer is in the BBC interview last week when they spoke to the Standard Liege bloke. Wish I could quickly find it and post the link.
Hindsight and all that but the cup run would have seen us financially safe till the summer. Plus I dont think the pre takeover squad would have got relegated.
Still would have needed a sale but who knows what other options might have been available in the summer.
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I understand what you are saying and i have obviously highlighted some worst case scenarios like Cardiff and Hull but thats the point i was trying to get a cross is that we have no real say anymore and it's scary.
I just dont like the way it is going. We could end up staying up and Roland would feel he has made the correct decision.
We can only guess what he is going to do, let's cut some slack until we know. I would have had AA starting Sunday and Reza to, if CP was trying to make a point by not playing them, he did it at our expense !
Did SL get relegated to the 3rd tier then?
If you think it's embarrassing that I've expressed my opinion to the club directly then so be it.
This is what this forum is all about. Opinions.
Do you actually understand that has paid £20m for the club and that the club loses money every year, which he has to pay for? Also that he has to cover the losses of both Charlton and Liege, so there is no benefit to him in 'getting players off Liege's wage bill'.
Let us, very conservatively, assume that his loss would come to about £25m over the next five years. Is it reasonable to think that if he sold every player that if he sold every player who was any good for the next five years that he would earn £25m??? No! Particularly if we are spending most of our time in League 1.
This is a myth. You would never, ever buy a club in the English Championship to be a feeder club - the losses made are simply too big.
You are quite right - he wants to make money, but the ONLY way that he can do that to make the club more successful.
ANYONE WOULD THINK HE HAS KILLED CHRIS POWELL FFS
GROW UP HES NOT TRYING TO RUIN US IS HE
WE ARE WORRIED BECAUSE THE CLUB IS LOSING ITS IDENTITY FFS
When was the last time we had this magic identity?
Off the field I would say its been one balls up after another since the manner in which the Dowie appointment was conducted, the scaling back of the community initiatives post-relegation and the disassembling of the ladies team.
But as I said was the same with Selhurst. The sheep followed
As I said at the time of the takeover, be careful what you wish for.
I had no concerns of our Championship safety, nor for Powell, pre takeover - but to quote OOh Aah - 0% safety, 100% league one mediocrity.
Personally dont think its an embarassment to have a negative reaction to this decision. I hope we get an early goal tomorrow and stuff Huddersfield out of sight, but if the opposite happens I hope as fans we show a bit of personality and make our feelings known.
What does bother me (and I feel ought to bother you) is that the people in the boardroom are not making decisions based on what's best for Charlton; they are making them based on what's best for Standard Liege. If you can remember the stick Watford got last season over the Pozzo loans, I think this is in many ways much worse. It has been stated by the owner that we are effectively an expensive to maintain feeder club. I don't support Sub-Standard Liege and am now developing an irrational dislike of them simply because of what Roland is up to. Can't make the next few games so I have no chance to work out how I feel about this by seeing how the team respond, though I can of course get a good idea from feedback here. The Liege fans were right when they warned us: Bumpy ride ahead. At least they made their feelings known.
And I don't think the feeder club idea is going to work the way that Roland sees it. Young English players who are any good will go to clubs prepared to pay for them (Prem or top championship). Our language skills in the UK are so dreadful that most will not be able to go abroad to another club (it's rare for English players to do well abroad). How does that make us more attractive?
Our identity is symbolised in simon church, a lot of running but not much else.
Other managers comment before games 'we know charlton will be hard to break down but if we can take our chances we'll be fine'
If this is our identity i would be happy to lose it if it means us playing more attractive football and scoring more goals, RD said we will be bringing players through the academy.
People are crying about players being brought in from overseas like PP, but if theres value for money why not spend it on players that are not from the english leagues. Why spend 4.5 mil on dwight gale when you can get 2 or 3 max gradel standard players.
Everyone needs to chill out, after sunday everyone said 'we are down 100%' so why not roll the dice with some fresh ideas, it might just pay off.
Still would have needed a sale but who knows what other options might have been available in the summer.
That dome for the pitch is cracking though....