I think AFKA is right, I'm afraid - and I'm all for giving the new regime a chance, so it doesn't please me to say it. There is very good information that RD wanted Thuram to play Tuesday night and Chris insisted on playing Alnwick.
It's not a question of who is right and whether Alnwick is any good, RD can't pick the team without it all ending in tears.
"As for Alnwick, the bloke came for nothing from Barnsley and has played a grand total of 8 games and people are carrying on like we are losing the next Gordon Banks. Well over the top IMHO."
the actual facts are that Alnwick played 10 Championship games and 2 Cup games, for the Championship games his average mark was 6.76 which is currently the highest of any player who has played 10 or more Championship games, so maybe not over the top, but then Omiston Addick why let facts get in the way of your honest opinion.
IMHO he was our best goalie and it is a great pity that he has gone.
"As for Alnwick, the bloke came for nothing from Barnsley and has played a grand total of 8 games and people are carrying on like we are losing the next Gordon Banks. Well over the top IMHO."
the actual facts are that Alnwick played 10 Championship games and 2 Cup games, for the Championship games his average mark was 6.76 which is currently the highest of any player who has played 10 or more Championship games, so maybe not over the top, but then Omiston Addick why let facts get in the way of your honest opinion.
IMHO he was our best goalie and it is a great pity that he has gone.
"As for Alnwick, the bloke came for nothing from Barnsley and has played a grand total of 8 games and people are carrying on like we are losing the next Gordon Banks. Well over the top IMHO."
the actual facts are that Alnwick played 10 Championship games and 2 Cup games, for the Championship games his average mark was 6.76 which is currently the highest of any player who has played 10 or more Championship games, so maybe not over the top, but then Omiston Addick why let facts get in the way of your honest opinion.
IMHO he was our best goalie and it is a great pity that he has gone.
Oh, get you.
Sorry statto, so he played 12 games rather than 8, big deal.
I suppose the "actual facts" are that he is not exactly Sam Bartram, Nicky Johns, Bob Bolder or Dean Kiely at this stage is he?
Wow, an average of 6.76 too! Who would believe that! I can't believe he's ended up at Orient, with those figures surely the European giants would have been clamouring to sign him.
We sold a journeyman goalkeeper to Orient FFS, it's not exactly the end of Charlton Athletic Football Club as we know it.
Ben Alnwicks handling of crosses was more than decent and his shot stopping ability was good as well , distribution from his hands was decent with his feet as bad as deano
but to me the issue in hand is that SCP rated him as our number one and surely what is clear is that he is cheap , Orient will have paid peanuts for him and Thuram has been shoved upon SCP
amongst all the waffle , Roland is pushing the players he wants on to SCP , if this is done amicably then good but the chances of that being correct are about the same as us having 1,000 in the away end tomorrow
No mention of a fee on OS. Mentioned above that Hearn doesn't do fees.
There isn't a fee. Alnwick has only signed a deal to the end of the season. You wouldn't pay a fee for that would you.
And this is what I dislike about this move. Why not loan him? After all Thuram is himself only a loan. Keep options open, doesn't cost any more (since we didnt get a fee).
I'm all for giving new ways of thinking a chance, when I see some logic behind them
I think AFKA is right, I'm afraid - and I'm all for giving the new regime a chance, so it doesn't please me to say it. There is very good information that RD wanted Thuram to play Tuesday night and Chris insisted on playing Alnwick.
It's not a question of who is right and whether Alnwick is any good, RD can't pick the team without it all ending in tears.
Probably one of the most telling and worrying posts of the day for me.
No mention of a fee on OS. Mentioned above that Hearn doesn't do fees.
There isn't a fee. Alnwick has only signed a deal to the end of the season. You wouldn't pay a fee for that would you.
And this is what I dislike about this move. Why not loan him? After all Thuram is himself only a loan. Keep options open, doesn't cost any more (since we didnt get a fee).
I'm all for giving new ways of thinking a chance, when I see some logic behind them
The only possible explanation for me is that there would have been a fee even if it was modest.
Orient desperately needed to sign a goalie before Staurday, having been let down by Jakupovic's return to Hull.In their position I think even Hearn would finance such a move for a good keeper to ensure their momentum was kept up .Alnwick might want to see whether they get promoted before signing for longer so only commited for six months.
I think he could be in demand in the summer as a free agent.
I think AFKA is right, I'm afraid - and I'm all for giving the new regime a chance, so it doesn't please me to say it. There is very good information that RD wanted Thuram to play Tuesday night and Chris insisted on playing Alnwick.
It's not a question of who is right and whether Alnwick is any good, RD can't pick the team without it all ending in tears.
Are you just jealous that you arent in charge? After all thats the only way Charlton will rise above your criticism! ;-)
I never could get to grips with his name. Is it All-nick, Alln-wick or A-nick. And you can't just call him Ben.... Too confusing! Sorry on that basis he had to go!!
His name's pronounced the same as the northern town - Annick. Thought he did very well coming into the team, though the club could never have kept three first team goalies, so one of the Ben's was going to go. Think he'll do well at Orient. After Dale was sold I was thinking who I'd pick for POTY and was thinking Alnwick, though I agree goalies only ever shine when the defence isn't doing too well. Good luck Ben A., and hopefully we'll see you next season when we play Orient in the Champ.
Good to luck to Alnwick. He did well and has got a got throw. He has done well this season. Orient are in good shape for promotion and will be helped by a really good keeper. Alnwick may find himself playing in the champs next year with Thuram going in the opposite direction (if he stays).
If what I read above that CP played Alnwick above Thuram and Alnwick is sold then that is ominous, particularly with Yann and Stephens going and Stephens in particularly not being replaced.
I think AFKA is right, I'm afraid - and I'm all for giving the new regime a chance, so it doesn't please me to say it. There is very good information that RD wanted Thuram to play Tuesday night and Chris insisted on playing Alnwick.
It's not a question of who is right and whether Alnwick is any good, RD can't pick the team without it all ending in tears.
Seems like I was right what I was told about Thuram having to play if fit @henryirving but you know best and know everything
I don't get why people are so upset over losing Alnwick. He's only 27 and he's been at almost as many clubs as Marcus Bent! Christ, since when was the "family friendly club" signing former Porn stars anyway?
I liked him - came in at a very difficult time for us and always looked assured. Good luck to him - he deserves it and I sincerely hope he succeeds @ Orient.
It made a real difference having someone between the posts who seemed calm and confident and able to deal with all that was put in front him, crosses and shots on target. This is the most mystifying of all the transfers.
I'm sure it's a great deal for Orient. Second in the league, but with Wolves breathing down their necks, if Alnwick plays as well as he did for us he might well just ensure their promotion.
As for whether it's a good deal for us, I'm not so sure. I guess it depends on three things: How good is Thuram-Ulien? How much did we get / will we save in wages? What's the affect going to be on management and squad morale? Personally, I'm hopeful that Thuram might be a step up in class and that on balance this is a positive.
Good luck to Alnwick; here's hoping that The Os The Ex-Addicks get their promotion.
In my opinion, there's not much to choose between Hamer and Alnwick. Both have strengths and weaknessess. I have a feeling that Alwick was told he'd be second or third choice once Hamer was fit and his agent may have manufactured the move. Just a thought...
There is only one guy who is going to be number one and its the guy that cost us points at Middlesborough,
harsh. As I doubt you were there AFKA, with all due respect, how can you comment on his performance?
Harsh maybe, but the reality is Alnwick is CURRENTLY our number one keeper, and has been over the last month. Our manager has had a new keeper sent to him that he did not want, and i believe, been told to play him. He did so at Boro, and regardless of whether he pulled off some good saves, made a howler that determined the result.
Alnwick come back into the side, performed very well. At Doncaster i have heard it suggested (entirely up to you whether you believe me or not) Powell was told to play Thuram by RD / RD's people, Powell went against it and played the player he wanted to play, Alnwick.
Three days later Alnwick is sold, and rumours circ that Powell was close to being sacked.
Thuram may well turn out to be a much better keeper than any we currently have, but that is irrelevent. He was not the choice of those whose decisions it should be who play and who don't.
Should Powell walk ?? Of course he should. His position has been completely undermined and is currently untenable.
However, you saw how the ridiculous similar farce at Cardiff turned out and Malky McKay refusing to hand in his notice in a similar situation. I wonder if Powell is mates with Malky by any chance...
Why have you not talked about church's two howlers that he fucked up and did not score which determined the result?
because it is completely irrespective to my point. My point is the manager is being told what goalkeeper to play.
but you don't know that AFKA ... it's just guesswork and supposition. If you are right, I agree ... but I'm not convinced yet. Let's see where we are at 11 pm.
As said, just my view based on what i've been told. Everyone is entitled to their own view.
And as much as i like Powell, i would not believe a single word he says in the press or in public.
With the greatest respect AFKA your argument can't lose can it ? Selective choice of what you believe.
I suppose we're all guilty of that.
Can't lose? I'm not trying to 'win' anything. i'm just stating my point.
I think our club is currently a farce. We are attempting what appears to be a whole summer transition within the space of three days.
- Our manager (from what i've been told) is having little or no so in what is coming in or going out
- It now appears a strong possibility he is being leaned on on who to play. Certainly the case with the keep at Donny
- Our Chairman appears to have no idea who it is who is deciding who comes and goes
- Squad morale is said to be shot to pieces
- Regardless of what may come in today, We have offloaded a fair spine of the team with our currently best performing keeping, currently best performing midfielder, and at some point today our best performing striker and fans favourite.
There is no attempt to be selective, those are the stand out points to me.
Nice to see that RD is keeping you in the loop. Or are you taking hearsay as fact because it suites your view/opinion?
I don't think our club is a farce. We are going through a transition which should have started last summer but the last owners were busy asking too much for the club and completely failed to understand that keeping CAFC mid-table would have made the club easier to sell and for a better price.
Todays near miss is a long way from what some were expecting to see... we all might have a response to the weeks transfer dealings but the new players appear to have done OK. I am concerned about right back and keeper.
I can reserve judgement until I see for myself vs Birmingham. Perhaps we still need a couple more players and some luck. But do you know what - I don't care whether they arrive from Standard Liege, another club in the group or elsewhere. The fact that we have got the number of players in so quickly is hardly a problem is it?
It's way to soon to pass judgement on the last lot, let alone the first couple of weeks of the new owner. As long as he can find players to improve the weakest parts of the squad and we pick up some home wins this month then we are laughing. What we need to do now is back management and team 100%.
what I don't understand is that Alnwick has only signed a contract to the end of the season - why ???? If that was all Orient were offering then why not turn it down & stay with us. No Club can force a player to leave, even if it meant that Alnwick was loaned out somewhere come next week or left in the reserves (which prob wouldn't happen & today would have been on the bench)
what I don't understand is that Alnwick has only signed a contract to the end of the season - why ???? If that was all Orient were offering then why not turn it down & stay with us. No Club can force a player to leave, even if it meant that Alnwick was loaned out somewhere come next week or left in the reserves (which prob wouldn't happen & today would have been on the bench)
anyone have any ideas ????
I don't know, but suspect Powell / Alnick were told.after Tuesday that he would no longer be starting bar injury to Thuram, Orient want you to go straight in and will take over your.current contract.
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"As for Alnwick, the bloke came for nothing from Barnsley and has played a grand total of 8 games and people are carrying on like we are losing the next Gordon Banks. Well over the top IMHO."
the actual facts are that Alnwick played 10 Championship games and 2 Cup games, for the Championship games his average mark was 6.76 which is currently the highest of any player who has played 10 or more Championship games, so maybe not over the top, but then Omiston Addick why let facts get in the way of your honest opinion.
IMHO he was our best goalie and it is a great pity that he has gone.
the actual facts are that Alnwick played 10 Championship games and 2 Cup games, for the Championship games his average mark was 6.76 which is currently the highest of any player who has played 10 or more Championship games, so maybe not over the top, but then Omiston Addick why let facts get in the way of your honest opinion.
IMHO he was our best goalie and it is a great pity that he has gone.
"As for Alnwick, the bloke came for nothing from Barnsley and has played a grand total of 8 games and people are carrying on like we are losing the next Gordon Banks. Well over the top IMHO."
the actual facts are that Alnwick played 10 Championship games and 2 Cup games, for the Championship games his average mark was 6.76 which is currently the highest of any player who has played 10 or more Championship games, so maybe not over the top, but then Omiston Addick why let facts get in the way of your honest opinion.
IMHO he was our best goalie and it is a great pity that he has gone.
Oh, get you.
Sorry statto, so he played 12 games rather than 8, big deal.
I suppose the "actual facts" are that he is not exactly Sam Bartram, Nicky Johns, Bob Bolder or Dean Kiely at this stage is he?
Wow, an average of 6.76 too! Who would believe that! I can't believe he's ended up at Orient, with those figures surely the European giants would have been clamouring to sign him.
We sold a journeyman goalkeeper to Orient FFS, it's not exactly the end of Charlton Athletic Football Club as we know it.
but to me the issue in hand is that SCP rated him as our number one and surely what is clear is that he is cheap , Orient will have paid peanuts for him and Thuram has been shoved upon SCP
amongst all the waffle , Roland is pushing the players he wants on to SCP , if this is done amicably then good but the chances of that being correct are about the same as us having 1,000 in the away end tomorrow
I'm all for giving new ways of thinking a chance, when I see some logic behind them
May as well.
The only possible explanation for me is that there would have been a fee even if it was modest.
Orient desperately needed to sign a goalie before Staurday, having been let down by Jakupovic's return to Hull.In their position I think even Hearn would finance such a move for a good keeper to ensure their momentum was kept up .Alnwick might want to see whether they get promoted before signing for longer so only commited for six months.
I think he could be in demand in the summer as a free agent.
After all thats the only way Charlton will rise above your criticism!
;-)
Good luck Ben A., and hopefully we'll see you next season when we play Orient in the Champ.
If what I read above that CP played Alnwick above Thuram and Alnwick is sold then that is ominous, particularly with Yann and Stephens going and Stephens in particularly not being replaced.
Good luck to him - he deserves it and I sincerely hope he succeeds @ Orient.
Whether it was:
Alnwick
Anick
Alnick
Anwick
Or Ann Widdecombe
As for whether it's a good deal for us, I'm not so sure. I guess it depends on three things: How good is Thuram-Ulien? How much did we get / will we save in wages? What's the affect going to be on management and squad morale? Personally, I'm hopeful that Thuram might be a step up in class and that on balance this is a positive.
Good luck to Alnwick; here's hoping that
The OsThe Ex-Addicks get their promotion.Todays near miss is a long way from what some were expecting to see... we all might have a response to the weeks transfer dealings but the new players appear to have done OK. I am concerned about right back and keeper.
I can reserve judgement until I see for myself vs Birmingham. Perhaps we still need a couple more players and some luck. But do you know what - I don't care whether they arrive from Standard Liege, another club in the group or elsewhere. The fact that we have got the number of players in so quickly is hardly a problem is it?
It's way to soon to pass judgement on the last lot, let alone the first couple of weeks of the new owner. As long as he can find players to improve the weakest parts of the squad and we pick up some home wins this month then we are laughing. What we need to do now is back management and team 100%.
anyone have any ideas ????