now that we're a bit crap again it would be nice to have an england team full of englishmen
But, on that basis, we wouldn't have fielded any of the following 15 players:
Michael Lumb - born Johannesburg, South Africa Andrew Strauss - born Johannesburg, South Africa Nick Compton - born Durban, South Africa Jonathan Trott - born Cape Town, South Africa Ed Joyce - born Dublin, Republic Of Ireland Kevin Pietersen - born Pietermaritzburg, South Africa Eoin Morgan - born Dublin, Republic Of Ireland Gary Ballance - born Harare, Zimbabwe Matt Prior - born Johannesburg, South Africa Craig Kieswetter - born Johannesburg, South Africa Ben Stokes - born Christchurch, New Zealand Boyd Rankin - born Londonderry, Northern Ireland Stuart Meaker - born Pietermaritzburg, South Africa Chris Jordan - born Barbados Jade Dernbach - born Johannesburg, South Africa
Clearly the ECB have some very good scouts especially in Jo'burg!
Some, to be fair, were brought up here but a fair number of the above came here attracted by the prospect of playing International cricket. Either because, in the case of most of the South Africans, they wouldn't have been afforded the same opportunity back "home" or the with respect to the Irish, they wanted the chance to play cricket at a decent level.
now that we're a bit crap again it would be nice to have an england team full of englishmen
But, on that basis, we wouldn't have fielded any of the following 15 players:
Michael Lumb - born Johannesburg, South Africa Andrew Strauss - born Johannesburg, South Africa Nick Compton - born Durban, South Africa Jonathan Trott - born Cape Town, South Africa Ed Joyce - born Dublin, Republic Of Ireland Kevin Pietersen - born Pietermaritzburg, South Africa Eoin Morgan - born Dublin, Republic Of Ireland Gary Ballance - born Harare, Zimbabwe Matt Prior - born Johannesburg, South Africa Craig Kieswetter - born Johannesburg, South Africa Ben Stokes - born Christchurch, New Zealand Boyd Rankin - born Londonderry, Northern Ireland Stuart Meaker - born Pietermaritzburg, South Africa Chris Jordan - born Barbados Jade Dernbach - born Johannesburg, South Africa
Clearly the ECB have some very good scouts especially in Jo'burg!
Some, to be fair, were brought up here but a fair number of the above came here attracted by the prospect of playing International cricket. Either because, in the case of most of the South Africans, they wouldn't have been afforded the same opportunity back "home" or the with respect to the Irish, they wanted the chance to play cricket at a decent level.
That list is actually a bit misleading, a lot of those players were born overseas but to British parents who were temporarily resident overseas.
That would certainly be the case with Strauss, Prior and Compton.
Andrew Strauss came up with an interesting stat, in the 4 Tests so far, our seamers only would have hit the stumps with just over 5% of the balls they've delivered. No wonder we haven't had one LBW yet.
now that we're a bit crap again it would be nice to have an england team full of englishmen
But, on that basis, we wouldn't have fielded any of the following 15 players:
Michael Lumb - born Johannesburg, South Africa Andrew Strauss - born Johannesburg, South Africa Nick Compton - born Durban, South Africa Jonathan Trott - born Cape Town, South Africa Ed Joyce - born Dublin, Republic Of Ireland Kevin Pietersen - born Pietermaritzburg, South Africa Eoin Morgan - born Dublin, Republic Of Ireland Gary Ballance - born Harare, Zimbabwe Matt Prior - born Johannesburg, South Africa Craig Kieswetter - born Johannesburg, South Africa Ben Stokes - born Christchurch, New Zealand Boyd Rankin - born Londonderry, Northern Ireland Stuart Meaker - born Pietermaritzburg, South Africa Chris Jordan - born Barbados Jade Dernbach - born Johannesburg, South Africa
Clearly the ECB have some very good scouts especially in Jo'burg!
Some, to be fair, were brought up here but a fair number of the above came here attracted by the prospect of playing International cricket. Either because, in the case of most of the South Africans, they wouldn't have been afforded the same opportunity back "home" or the with respect to the Irish, they wanted the chance to play cricket at a decent level.
That list is actually a bit misleading, a lot of those players were born overseas but to British parents who were temporarily resident overseas.
That would certainly be the case with Strauss, Prior and Compton.
Agree with the sentiment but Compton is the son of Richard who lived and played all his cricket in South Africa. Nick only came here in his teens as a result of a sports scholarship at Harrow.
Don't understand the logic of dropping Monty, playing a rookie leg spin all rounder, but then also dropping Root who's bowls useful off spin.
Cook quite obviously has lost all faith in Monty and to be honest his fielding is so poor, really awful, he just shouldn't be playing Test cricket. As for Root, he'll have plenty more chances and Ballance deserves a go. If you're not going to give a few new players a go at 0-4 then when are you?
now that we're a bit crap again it would be nice to have an england team full of englishmen
But, on that basis, we wouldn't have fielded any of the following 15 players:
Michael Lumb - born Johannesburg, South Africa Andrew Strauss - born Johannesburg, South Africa Nick Compton - born Durban, South Africa Jonathan Trott - born Cape Town, South Africa Ed Joyce - born Dublin, Republic Of Ireland Kevin Pietersen - born Pietermaritzburg, South Africa Eoin Morgan - born Dublin, Republic Of Ireland Gary Ballance - born Harare, Zimbabwe Matt Prior - born Johannesburg, South Africa Craig Kieswetter - born Johannesburg, South Africa Ben Stokes - born Christchurch, New Zealand Boyd Rankin - born Londonderry, Northern Ireland Stuart Meaker - born Pietermaritzburg, South Africa Chris Jordan - born Barbados Jade Dernbach - born Johannesburg, South Africa
Clearly the ECB have some very good scouts especially in Jo'burg!
Some, to be fair, were brought up here but a fair number of the above came here attracted by the prospect of playing International cricket. Either because, in the case of most of the South Africans, they wouldn't have been afforded the same opportunity back "home" or the with respect to the Irish, they wanted the chance to play cricket at a decent level.
That list is actually a bit misleading, a lot of those players were born overseas but to British parents who were temporarily resident overseas.
That would certainly be the case with Strauss, Prior and Compton.
Agree with the sentiment but Compton is the son of Richard who lived and played all his cricket in South Africa. Nick only came here in his teens as a result of a sports scholarship at Harrow.
Righto, did not know that, I wonder why Richard (son of Dennis?) ended up going to South Africa?
Agree with the sentiment but Compton is the son of Richard who lived and played all his cricket in South Africa. Nick only came here in his teens as a result of a sports scholarship at Harrow.
However, you dont see Australia having a problem with the likes of Michael Slater,Andrew Symonds and Usman Khawaja - so, whats your point?
Plus Michael Lumb - his dad Richard Lumb opened for Yorkshire - just happened to be playing in SA
Not quite so:
The son of prolific Yorkshire opener Richard Lumb, Michael was born in South Africa and made his way through the junior teams in Transvaal before returning to his roots to play for Yorkshire.
now that we're a bit crap again it would be nice to have an england team full of englishmen
Agree with the sentiment but Compton is the son of Richard who lived and played all his cricket in South Africa. Nick only came here in his teens as a result of a sports scholarship at Harrow.
However, you dont see Australia having a problem with the likes of Michael Slater,Andrew Symonds and Usman Khawaja - so, whats your point?
The 15 players (bar Ed Joyce) have all played in some shape or form for us at International level in the last year or so. You've quoted three players of which two haven't played for Australia for donkeys years.
So, the point I am probably making is that the system for bringing though top players here isn't good enough and specifically with regards to the mental side of the game. Or, possibly our coaches just like their attitude more.
Agree with the sentiment but Compton is the son of Richard who lived and played all his cricket in South Africa. Nick only came here in his teens as a result of a sports scholarship at Harrow.
However, you dont see Australia having a problem with the likes of Michael Slater,Andrew Symonds and Usman Khawaja - so, whats your point?
The Aussies have been picking loads of Kiwis, Jaapies, Argies and various Pacific Islanders for the Wallabies for years, they are such hypocrites on this.
They are even worse at the Olympics where they stuff their athletics and weightlifting squads with Eastern European athletes who they bring over on special visas to the AIS and then fast track them to citizenship - many of them can't even speak English.
Although to be fair Tatiana Grigorieva could vault my pole any time.
Plus Michael Lumb - his dad Richard Lumb opened for Yorkshire - just happened to be playing in SA
Not quite so:
The son of prolific Yorkshire opener Richard Lumb, Michael was born in South Africa and made his way through the junior teams in Transvaal before returning to his roots to play for Yorkshire.
Correct, my point being that he has British parentage. Brits have always , through history, been the pioneers, the ones to explore, build,travel, re-settle,migrate. However, his heritage is British, the same as Strauss,Prior,and a lot of other perceived 'Johnny Foreigners' who have British parentage that have played cricket for England but just so happened to have been children of one (or two !) of those 'pioneers'
Don't understand the logic of dropping Monty, playing a rookie leg spin all rounder, but then also dropping Root who's bowls useful off spin.
Cook quite obviously has lost all faith in Monty and to be honest his fielding is so poor, really awful, he just shouldn't be playing Test cricket. As for Root, he'll have plenty more chances and Ballance deserves a go. If you're not going to give a few new players a go at 0-4 then when are you?
Cook losing faith in Monty's bowling is more a reflection of Cook's muddled captaincy than anything else, and he dropped an absolute sitter himself in the last match. With Swann retired Kerrigan dumped after 1 game Can we really afford to write Monty off? Borthwick is really a bit of a bits and pieces bowler, what if he gets smacked around this game, will he be written off as well?
Not sure if it's Carberry or Root making way for Ballance yet.
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Well yes, you called it early and were right. Good job! Nothing was officially confirmed until the toss though and a couple of media bods were saying on twitter that they weren't yet sure if Carberry or Root were making way.
Don't understand the logic of dropping Monty, playing a rookie leg spin all rounder, but then also dropping Root who's bowls useful off spin.
Cook quite obviously has lost all faith in Monty and to be honest his fielding is so poor, really awful, he just shouldn't be playing Test cricket. As for Root, he'll have plenty more chances and Ballance deserves a go. If you're not going to give a few new players a go at 0-4 then when are you?
Cook losing faith in Monty's bowling is more a reflection of Cook's muddled captaincy than anything else, and he dropped an absolute sitter himself in the last match. With Swann retired Kerrigan dumped after 1 game Can we really afford to write Monty off? Borthwick is really a bit of a bits and pieces bowler, what if he gets smacked around this game, will he be written off as well?
Monty will be back, not least because we have absolutely nobody else near his class.
He has not bowled that well in this series but is still only 31 and has plenty of cricket left in him.
Don't understand the logic of dropping Monty, playing a rookie leg spin all rounder, but then also dropping Root who's bowls useful off spin.
Cook quite obviously has lost all faith in Monty and to be honest his fielding is so poor, really awful, he just shouldn't be playing Test cricket. As for Root, he'll have plenty more chances and Ballance deserves a go. If you're not going to give a few new players a go at 0-4 then when are you?
Cook losing faith in Monty's bowling is more a reflection of Cook's muddled captaincy than anything else, and he dropped an absolute sitter himself in the last match. With Swann retired Kerrigan dumped after 1 game Can we really afford to write Monty off? Borthwick is really a bit of a bits and pieces bowler, what if he gets smacked around this game, will he be written off as well?
Have to agree with England regards Monty, he won't play again. He's no threat anymore.
Not sure if it's Carberry or Root making way for Ballance yet.
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Well yes, you called it early and were right. Good job! Nothing was officially confirmed until the toss though and a couple of media bods were saying on twitter that they weren't yet sure if Carberry or Root were making way.
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Anderson bowling pies at the other end.
Michael Lumb - born Johannesburg, South Africa
Andrew Strauss - born Johannesburg, South Africa
Nick Compton - born Durban, South Africa
Jonathan Trott - born Cape Town, South Africa
Ed Joyce - born Dublin, Republic Of Ireland
Kevin Pietersen - born Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
Eoin Morgan - born Dublin, Republic Of Ireland
Gary Ballance - born Harare, Zimbabwe
Matt Prior - born Johannesburg, South Africa
Craig Kieswetter - born Johannesburg, South Africa
Ben Stokes - born Christchurch, New Zealand
Boyd Rankin - born Londonderry, Northern Ireland
Stuart Meaker - born Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
Chris Jordan - born Barbados
Jade Dernbach - born Johannesburg, South Africa
Clearly the ECB have some very good scouts especially in Jo'burg!
Some, to be fair, were brought up here but a fair number of the above came here attracted by the prospect of playing International cricket. Either because, in the case of most of the South Africans, they wouldn't have been afforded the same opportunity back "home" or the with respect to the Irish, they wanted the chance to play cricket at a decent level.
That would certainly be the case with Strauss, Prior and Compton.
As for Root, he'll have plenty more chances and Ballance deserves a go. If you're not going to give a few new players a go at 0-4 then when are you?
Agree with the sentiment but Compton is the son of Richard who lived and played all his cricket in South Africa. Nick only came here in his teens as a result of a sports scholarship at Harrow.
However, you dont see Australia having a problem with the likes of Michael Slater,Andrew Symonds and Usman Khawaja - so, whats your point?
The son of prolific Yorkshire opener Richard Lumb, Michael was born in South Africa and made his way through the junior teams in Transvaal before returning to his roots to play for Yorkshire.
They are even worse at the Olympics where they stuff their athletics and weightlifting squads with Eastern European athletes who they bring over on special visas to the AIS and then fast track them to citizenship - many of them can't even speak English.
Although to be fair Tatiana Grigorieva could vault my pole any time.
56-2 now.
With Swann retired
Kerrigan dumped after 1 game
Can we really afford to write Monty off?
Borthwick is really a bit of a bits and pieces bowler, what if he gets smacked around this game, will he be written off as well?
He has not bowled that well in this series but is still only 31 and has plenty of cricket left in him.