A lot depends on money of course. If we have to work within present, or less resources, we will continue to be worthy, but struggle. If that means staying solvent then OK by me. If Powell has any money to play with he will attempt to react to the home game pattern. Powell first arrived, but then put on a brave face as that season of Gary Docherty, Jose Semedo, Christian Dailly, Therry Racon et al petered out. Powell knew then he would need a significant close season in order to get better, and when he got the resources he reacted and we became champions. Powell can see whats going on, and he could do with a bit of support, either money to significantly freshen up the squad in the summer. Or if we have to cut our cloth, buy and sell on the cheap, and bring on the youngsters, then he will do that too and we should recognise and support that effort.. It isn't a credible position to say Powell doesn't have a clue, yeah it would be good to punch above our weight right now, but we are probably punching our weight, which is better than giving up and being a quitter. Powell is no quitter, and if he can, he will work very hard to improve things. If we stay up this season then it is manifestly a successful season even with our dreadful home form, cup form, and beatings by Crystal Palace and Millwall.
So the previous problem with the team was that we had too many loan players. The answer to our problems now is to bring in more loan players. Have a got that right?
New players from anywhere would be nice
And I s'pose it at least gives reactionary short term memory fans a chance to revert back to blaming loanies and wanting just our own playing again no matter how good/bad they are when things don't improve.
Eh? I'm talking about our shit squad and needing to improve the quality by adding some decent loanies, frees or young players from the res/youth squads, what are you talking about? Something pro-active has gotta be done, don't you agree?
Ofcourse things need to improve but getting in loanies is not a guarantee as we should know better than most, just an easier more obvious option. Not too long ago fans were crying out for players to be brought in as our own weren't good enough. But as we lacked funds the quality of loanies didn't help. Same fans then start moaning we have too many loanies and we should always play our own players and then last season saying how it's clearly better not too have loanies. Now we struggling again and with limited funds it's back to "we need to bring in loanies as our players aren't good enough". It's a continuous circle of fans changing their minds, that's what I'm on about.
Oh so it's all the fans fault?
The intention should always be to get the best players that money allows, if they end up being as shit as the bunch we've already got then the gamble hasn't paid off, but that shouldn't be a reason not to try surely....
Where did I say it was the fans fault? Just pointing out the obvious of fans having the luxury of continuously changing their minds and ignoring what they said or what has happened previously. And also not having to spend the money the club doesn't appear to have. If we bring in loanies, things do get worse and we get relegated and have more financial problems, the same fans will be blaming having loanies. And with our record of loanies it could be argued there is a reason to not take that gamble. The only right answer is the one that worked with retrospect.
Effort is what is keeping us in this league this season Jay. If you wanna swap our midfielders for the fancy premadonnas that got us relegated in 08/09, well...
The game was painful, it was awfully boring to watch and the atmosphere was complete rubbish...again. All I keep hearing is the players bottled but that shocking attendance says what about the fans? I've been burdened with this club from a father who obviously wished me years of painful footballing experiences. We don't want to win cups, we don't want to win local derbies, half the fans have spoke about not wanting to go up so I'm trying to understand what is the point!! I missed three games recently through travel or work commitments and I'm at the point where it didn't bother me. Today just made me feel like I wasted my time.
I must have been at a different game because I don't understand people saying Haynes lacked effort. We didn't look like scoring when he was substituted for that disinterested, unfit, waste of space Fuller.
As soon as he saw Shittu bearing down on him he bottled out. He should be leaving Shittu kicking at thin air.
Shittue is a better defender than you're giving him credit for.
Poor game on a shocking pitch, we were doing OK until they scored out of nowhere but the same story this year at home, alot of effort but lack any real quality to kill a game off or to create any clear chances for our strikers. Until Powell is giving funds to bring in better we will continue to struggle.
I must have been at a different game because I don't understand people saying Haynes lacked effort. We didn't look like scoring when he was substituted for that disinterested, unfit, waste of space Fuller.
I think fuller has given up for the season and probably forever. If he is on a one year deal with the option of another year then he won't be back next season.
Will we ever beat that lot,they were the tamest pack of lions I have seen for years.Shittu was man of the match,but for god sake a big lump that has played three games in a week.and Haynes did not look interested!....fed up fed up
So the previous problem with the team was that we had too many loan players. The answer to our problems now is to bring in more loan players. Have a got that right?
New players from anywhere would be nice
And I s'pose it at least gives reactionary short term memory fans a chance to revert back to blaming loanies and wanting just our own playing again no matter how good/bad they are when things don't improve.
Eh? I'm talking about our shit squad and needing to improve the quality by adding some decent loanies, frees or young players from the res/youth squads, what are you talking about? Something pro-active has gotta be done, don't you agree?
Ofcourse things need to improve but getting in loanies is not a guarantee as we should know better than most, just an easier more obvious option. Not too long ago fans were crying out for players to be brought in as our own weren't good enough. But as we lacked funds the quality of loanies didn't help. Same fans then start moaning we have too many loanies and we should always play our own players and then last season saying how it's clearly better not too have loanies. Now we struggling again and with limited funds it's back to "we need to bring in loanies as our players aren't good enough". It's a continuous circle of fans changing their minds, that's what I'm on about.
Oh so it's all the fans fault?
The intention should always be to get the best players that money allows, if they end up being as shit as the bunch we've already got then the gamble hasn't paid off, but that shouldn't be a reason not to try surely....
Where did I say it was the fans fault? Just pointing out the obvious of fans having the luxury of continuously changing their minds and ignoring what they said or what has happened previously. And also not having to spend the money the club doesn't appear to have. If we bring in loanies, things do get worse and we get relegated and have more financial problems, the same fans will be blaming having loanies. And with our record of loanies it could be argued there is a reason to not take that gamble. The only right answer is the one that worked with retrospect.
""we need to bring in loanies as our players aren't good enough". It's a continuous circle of fans changing their minds, that's what I'm on about."
I'm merely suggesting ways to try and improve things in the squad without it breaking the bank. You, on the other hand are puting brick walls in the way of everything that is suggested and wallowing in shitness.
People keep mentioning about pritchard and jackson working their socks off. I don't give a fucking shit about working your socks off or not, you need quality on the ball as well and as far as I'm aware neither have it. Please stop being so bloody clueless and notice that fucking effort can only get you so far. Every single week is effort this effort that. Its bullshit that's what it is
Quality defence splitting ball from Pritch for Harriott who should have done a lot better. Numerous quality tackles as well, more than anyone else on that pitch in red or blue. He is not one to scapegate today. Oh...and he worked really hard too ;-)
So the previous problem with the team was that we had too many loan players. The answer to our problems now is to bring in more loan players. Have a got that right?
New players from anywhere would be nice
And I s'pose it at least gives reactionary short term memory fans a chance to revert back to blaming loanies and wanting just our own playing again no matter how good/bad they are when things don't improve.
Eh? I'm talking about our shit squad and needing to improve the quality by adding some decent loanies, frees or young players from the res/youth squads, what are you talking about? Something pro-active has gotta be done, don't you agree?
Ofcourse things need to improve but getting in loanies is not a guarantee as we should know better than most, just an easier more obvious option. Not too long ago fans were crying out for players to be brought in as our own weren't good enough. But as we lacked funds the quality of loanies didn't help. Same fans then start moaning we have too many loanies and we should always play our own players and then last season saying how it's clearly better not too have loanies. Now we struggling again and with limited funds it's back to "we need to bring in loanies as our players aren't good enough". It's a continuous circle of fans changing their minds, that's what I'm on about.
Oh so it's all the fans fault?
The intention should always be to get the best players that money allows, if they end up being as shit as the bunch we've already got then the gamble hasn't paid off, but that shouldn't be a reason not to try surely....
Where did I say it was the fans fault? Just pointing out the obvious of fans having the luxury of continuously changing their minds and ignoring what they said or what has happened previously. And also not having to spend the money the club doesn't appear to have. If we bring in loanies, things do get worse and we get relegated and have more financial problems, the same fans will be blaming having loanies. And with our record of loanies it could be argued there is a reason to not take that gamble. The only right answer is the one that worked with retrospect.
""we need to bring in loanies as our players aren't good enough". It's a continuous circle of fans changing their minds, that's what I'm on about."
I'm merely suggesting ways to try and improve things in the squad without it breaking the bank. You, on the other hand are puting brick walls in the way of everything that is suggested and wallowing in shitness.
That's not BLAMING fans, as I said, just pointing out we keep just changing beliefs. I'm not wallowing at all but if that's what you need to think then fine. I'm just more of a realist and try my hardest to see the bigger picture and not just continually switch my views to fit a situation. Often fail as all fans do and when reactionary emotions take over.
I have posted this on here before and I always get flak for saying it but Powell has to go. He is out of his depth and hasn't got a clue. He is tactically clueless, the only tactic Powell knows are long balls to Yann and then hope for the best. Well I am sorry this doesn't work.
The home record including the two cup games reads 4 wins out of 21 matches. The last 5 home games read 1 draw and 4 defeats with only 2 goals scored. This season we have lost at home to Barnsley, Ipswich, Sheff Wed, Millwall, Burnley, Forest, Watford, Palace, plus Leyton Orient and Huddersfield in the cups. This home record is nothing short of disgraceful.
Powell has not learnt one single thing from these defeats and every home game ends the same way. Enough is enough, please Jimenz put CP out of his misery and appoint a manger who knows how to manage!
I have posted this on here before and I always get flak for saying it but Powell has to go. He is out of his depth and hasn't got a clue. He is tactically clueless, the only tactic Powell knows are long balls to Yann and then hope for the best. Well I am sorry this doesn't work.
That's all our players can play. We have no ball playing midfielders able to set-up moves. We have to rely on the long-ball to Kermorgant. Especially with the state our pitch is in currently.
Jackson MOM for me, and Pritchard battled and battled. I think there are some over-reactions, even though I still feel pissed off and humiliated.
Haynes' performance was inexcusable, though. The amount of headers Kermo won in the first half, and Haynes simply didn't bother reading or chasing them most of the time. Didn't look remotely interested. If he got abuse as he trudged off the pitch (slowly), he fully deserved it. My opinion of him has plummeted after today.
I think we can all agree the team/squad is poor, jacko,Taylor,Wilson,cort,fuller,green,wagstaff,Stephens,fuller, pritch all need to go and be replaced. Powell's done it before, there's no reason he can't do it again
I didn't think there was anything gutless about the performance-we mixed it and put in lots of tackles particularly the centre midfielders and, before they scored, I thought we were the marginally better side. After they scored however, we went to pieces though and that, coupled with our complete lack of any creative nous are the most worrying things for me at the moment.
Agree with all of that.
Agree with this too, although gutless does apply to post 2nd goal. Don't see how Jackson can be criticised, my player of the match, Pritch is probably one of the best midfield players in the league, unfortunately the league is league 1.
Im so embarresed by this club, not Chrissy or the players but our fans if the general consensus on this thread represents the Valley crowd.
It's this sort of fan over reaction that is destroying the soul of football not wealthy foreign owners and all that comes with that, get a grip people!
i believe that powell sent out the wrong starting 11, as to put kermo upfront with only haynes around him means that our centre backs are encouraged to ignore the midfield and just hoof the ball to kermo- IT GETS US NOWHERE!
There was a period where we had the ball on the floor and the team was passing it around without deciding to hoof and as a result, cafc looked dominant but that was a 5 minute stint. Kicking the ball in the air to kermo leads to the opposition getting the ball back immediately.
Think jay has just proven he's a fucking idiot.effort may not always meen quality but at least they looked like they wanted it.get off there back and get on people who actually don't give a fuck.
I didn't think there was anything gutless about the performance-we mixed it and put in lots of tackles particularly the centre midfielders and, before they scored, I thought we were the marginally better side. After they scored however, we went to pieces though and that, coupled with our complete lack of any creative nous are the most worrying things for me at the moment.
Agree with all of that.
Agree with this too, although gutless does apply to post 2nd goal. Don't see how Jackson can be criticised, my player of the match, Pritch is probably one of the best midfield players in the league, unfortunately the league is league 1.
Were you there today Prague?
No. Watching on a very good stream., although it cut just at the time of their first.
The result was no surprise, given our record against Millwall, but it could have been so different. A classic story of missed chances costing us whereas Millwall had perhaps 3 opportunities in the entire match and took 2 of them.
I have no criticism of the effort put in by our lads, although Fuller didn't look particularly bothered during his cameo, and I put the loss down to the curse of Millwall. Jacko was immense in the first half but faded in the second which I think, with hindsight, was a big factor in Millwall getting a foothold in the game.
All over now though and the England game has started and demands my attention.
Two more things though: 1) I was ashamed of our fans ruining the Knox Mizen ceremony with the Addams family song even 3,000 Jeremy Kyle candidates had more class than to do that. 2) A pleasure to meet Seth Plum and credit to him and others for selling Trust magazines in such horrible weather.
I must have been at a different game because I don't understand people saying Haynes lacked effort. We didn't look like scoring when he was substituted for that disinterested, unfit, waste of space Fuller.
As soon as he saw Shittu bearing down on him he bottled out. He should be leaving Shittu kicking at thin air.
Shittue is a better defender than you're giving him credit for.
I agree that he was excellent today and all the more so given his efforts on Wed. Sticking by what I say about Haynes though. There was at least one occasion when Haynes should have gone past him but slowed down to avoid being crunched.
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Poor game on a shocking pitch, we were doing OK until they scored out of nowhere but the same story this year at home, alot of effort but lack any real quality to kill a game off or to create any clear chances for our strikers. Until Powell is giving funds to bring in better we will continue to struggle.
Less said about treatment of home fans the better
I'm merely suggesting ways to try and improve things in the squad without it breaking the bank. You, on the other hand are puting brick walls in the way of everything that is suggested and wallowing in shitness.
I'm not wallowing at all but if that's what you need to think then fine. I'm just more of a realist and try my hardest to see the bigger picture and not just continually switch my views to fit a situation. Often fail as all fans do and when reactionary emotions take over.
I have posted this on here before and I always get flak for saying it but Powell has to go. He is out of his depth and hasn't got a clue. He is tactically clueless, the only tactic Powell knows are long balls to Yann and then hope for the best. Well I am sorry this doesn't work.
The home record including the two cup games reads 4 wins out of 21 matches. The last 5 home games read 1 draw and 4 defeats with only 2 goals scored. This season we have lost at home to Barnsley, Ipswich, Sheff Wed, Millwall, Burnley, Forest, Watford, Palace, plus Leyton Orient and Huddersfield in the cups. This home record is nothing short of disgraceful.
Powell has not learnt one single thing from these defeats and every home game ends the same way. Enough is enough, please Jimenz put CP out of his misery and appoint a manger who knows how to manage!
Haynes' performance was inexcusable, though. The amount of headers Kermo won in the first half, and Haynes simply didn't bother reading or chasing them most of the time. Didn't look remotely interested. If he got abuse as he trudged off the pitch (slowly), he fully deserved it. My opinion of him has plummeted after today.
Were you there today Prague?
It's this sort of fan over reaction that is destroying the soul of football not wealthy foreign owners and all that comes with that, get a grip people!
There was a period where we had the ball on the floor and the team was passing it around without deciding to hoof and as a result, cafc looked dominant but that was a 5 minute stint. Kicking the ball in the air to kermo leads to the opposition getting the ball back immediately.
please please PLEASE charlton play some FOOTball!
The ball didnt roll or move you have to over hit every pass just so it reaches hit it too hard it goes out of play
It was a typical charlton vs millwall performance move on for 60 mins we were in the game
It was a corner not a goal kick that led to their first goal
Up until then marginally the better team
Good to see the ob sitting watching away fans in the east taking the piss now thats outragous but also expected
The over reactionary posts are to be expected
Yes its embaressjng yes it is hurtful but it was never in doubt the worst team to play for us in
Win %
Get a grip move on ffs
The result was no surprise, given our record against Millwall, but it could have been so different. A classic story of missed chances costing us whereas Millwall had perhaps 3 opportunities in the entire match and took 2 of them.
I have no criticism of the effort put in by our lads, although Fuller didn't look particularly bothered during his cameo, and I put the loss down to the curse of Millwall. Jacko was immense in the first half but faded in the second which I think, with hindsight, was a big factor in Millwall getting a foothold in the game.
All over now though and the England game has started and demands my attention.
Two more things though: 1) I was ashamed of our fans ruining the Knox Mizen ceremony with the Addams family song even 3,000 Jeremy Kyle candidates had more class than to do that. 2) A pleasure to meet Seth Plum and credit to him and others for selling Trust magazines in such horrible weather.