Because a 'fan' wouldnt do something that will cost the club both financially and reputationally perhaps ?
Correct mon ami.
Jesus fucking wept, what is wrong with some of these people?
no need to be a dick,I simply didn't understand your point and now I do. I didn't do any damage on saturday before you jump to conclusions nor am I condoning it,been involved in plenty of mischief over the years but never once damaged a stadium when following Charlton. As someone has mentioned they didn't say "this is for charlton" and then smash a seat,it was more likely just mindless vandalism. So a different type of supporter to you,but still a supporter
I despair when I read views like this .
care to explain why?
If you need to ask the question, you will never understand the answer.
Oakster it is a spot on analysis to say that about westham and small wall
When you think that most of our younger more boisterous following have been to the same schools and places as those youth elements
Like it or not a small percentage and this must not be forgotten
Of young men like and enjoy the acts of violence and destruction this has gone on forever in the history of mankind just in differing formats
Now we are back home and have been for 20 years the majority of that group are 19 / 30 I would say
Then you have the group of men that are now 30/40 and the group that are 40/50 now all of those groups gravitate together and in the same places these can be places where non like minded people are but in the main certain pubs certain sections of grounds you will find people in groups who all if they want to or are incited can create havoc .
This is because they still have like minded or similar views on the whole match day experience
These are fans who love their club dearly however they show it In ways some do not understand or wish to acknowledge that sort of supporter
But that does not bother these kinds of fans as it is not acceptance that they crave
It can not be denied that since our return home and since I started going football in the 80s and I for some reason always people watched more than the football back then , have noticed that we have grown in the sheer percentage of young men that wish to follow this path of match day and football existence
The reason for this is we have a solid home in an area where there is a fair amount of young people willing to act in this way ... People can chose to accept it or disagree but I am sure I am right
Oakster it is a spot on analysis to say that about westham and small wall
When you think that most of our younger more boisterous following have been to the same schools and places as those youth elements
Like it or not a small percentage and this must not be forgotten
Of young men like and enjoy the acts of violence and destruction this has gone on forever in the history of mankind just in differing formats
Now we are back home and have been for 20 years the majority of that group are 19 / 30 I would say
Then you have the group of men that are now 30/40 and the group that are 40/50 now all of those groups gravitate together and in the same places these can be places where non like minded people are but in the main certain pubs certain sections of grounds you will find people in groups who all if they want to or are incited can create havoc .
This is because they still have like minded or similar views on the whole match day experience
These are fans who love their club dearly however they show it In ways some do not understand or wish to acknowledge that sort of supporter
But that does not bother these kinds of fans as it is not acceptance that they crave
It can not be denied that since our return home and since I started going football in the 80s and I for some reason always people watched more than the football back then , have noticed that we have grown in the sheer percentage of young men that wish to follow this path of match day and football existence
The reason for this is we have a solid home in an area where there is a fair amount of young people willing to act in this way ... People can chose to accept it or disagree but I am sure I am right
Oakster it is a spot on analysis to say that about westham and small wall
When you think that most of our younger more boisterous following have been to the same schools and places as those youth elements
Like it or not a small percentage and this must not be forgotten
Of young men like and enjoy the acts of violence and destruction this has gone on forever in the history of mankind just in differing formats
Now we are back home and have been for 20 years the majority of that group are 19 / 30 I would say
Then you have the group of men that are now 30/40 and the group that are 40/50 now all of those groups gravitate together and in the same places these can be places where non like minded people are but in the main certain pubs certain sections of grounds you will find people in groups who all if they want to or are incited can create havoc .
This is because they still have like minded or similar views on the whole match day experience
These are fans who love their club dearly however they show it In ways some do not understand or wish to acknowledge that sort of supporter
But that does not bother these kinds of fans as it is not acceptance that they crave
It can not be denied that since our return home and since I started going football in the 80s and I for some reason always people watched more than the football back then , have noticed that we have grown in the sheer percentage of young men that wish to follow this path of match day and football existence
The reason for this is we have a solid home in an area where there is a fair amount of young people willing to act in this way ... People can chose to accept it or disagree but I am sure I am right
"But that does not bother these kinds of fans as it is not acceptance that they crave"
I would disagree with this though.
They may not crave acceptance from those they see as the "old, Thermos flask brigade" but I think they do very much seek acceptance from their peers and from older blokes who've got a "reputation" for violence. By acting up and doing more and worse damage they hope to be seen in a good light by their social group.
Crucially they also want acceptance from fans of other clubs. You see it on here all the time from, mainly younger, fans. "No wonder fans of other clubs see us as anoraks" or "I hate it when fans of other clubs' see us a trainspotters".
They desperately crave acceptance as individual "lads" and as part of a collective that has a good reputation among other "firms".
It's all bollox and most, but not all, will grow out of it but there you go. As NLA it was ever thus.
"But that does not bother these kinds of fans as it is not acceptance that they crave"
I would disagree with this though.
They may not crave acceptance from those they see as the "old, Thermos flask brigade" but I think they do very much seek acceptance from their peers and from older blokes who've got a "reputation" for violence. By acting up and doing more and worse damage they hope to be seen in a good light by their social group.
Crucially they want acceptance from fans of other clubs. You see it on here all the time from, mainly younger fans. "no wonder fans of other clubs see us as anoraks" or "I hate it when fans of other clubs' see us a trainspotters".
They desperately crave acceptance as individual "lads" and as part of a collective that has a good reputation among other "firms".
It's all bollox and most, but not all, will grow out of it but there you go. As NLA it was every thus.
Your spot on henners tbh I didn't mean acceptance from the non like minded folk it was meant as they don't seek acceptance from those who say they are not fans or do not indulge in the same football experience
Your spot on henners tbh I didn't mean acceptance from the non like minded folk it was meant as they don't seek acceptance from those who say they are not fans or do not indulge in the same football experience
Exactly the opposite in fact. Annoying the East stand cardigan wearers like you NLA , NSS or DA9 would be seen as a positive by them and a vindication that what they are doing is right.
I wouldnt say its a new breed of supporters as football violence and vandalism was alot worse in the 70's and 80's but I think the minority who choose to behave like this, if found should be made an example off to warn other fans that its not acceptable and just brings embarrassment and shame to the club.
The OB were no chior boys either.They were their to do a job. Just get on with it. These games have these problems regardless if it us or any other team when it comes to local pride.
I was with my 7 year old son who wants to see Charlton play Palace and see us win. He can also be quite loud and joins in the clean songs and accepts there is swearing at times. However to get away from it we sat on the RhS on the wooden seats. It was fine at first but in the 2nd half we were joined by fans more intent on insulting the stewards. One fan in a black jumper just shouted the 'c and f' word all the time, so much so that my son asked to move again. I've told him Charlton fans are ok and most fans were fine but he now thinks we are like Millwall. Just glad we left early.
This is CAFC how many games in the last 30 years thats over 600 games has this happened ? id say less than10? maybe or less--------and now people are talking about not going FFS.
Oakster it is a spot on analysis to say that about westham and small wall
When you think that most of our younger more boisterous following have been to the same schools and places as those youth elements
Like it or not a small percentage and this must not be forgotten
Of young men like and enjoy the acts of violence and destruction this has gone on forever in the history of mankind just in differing formats
Now we are back home and have been for 20 years the majority of that group are 19 / 30 I would say
Then you have the group of men that are now 30/40 and the group that are 40/50 now all of those groups gravitate together and in the same places these can be places where non like minded people are but in the main certain pubs certain sections of grounds you will find people in groups who all if they want to or are incited can create havoc .
This is because they still have like minded or similar views on the whole match day experience
These are fans who love their club dearly however they show it In ways some do not understand or wish to acknowledge that sort of supporter
But that does not bother these kinds of fans as it is not acceptance that they crave
It can not be denied that since our return home and since I started going football in the 80s and I for some reason always people watched more than the football back then , have noticed that we have grown in the sheer percentage of young men that wish to follow this path of match day and football existence
The reason for this is we have a solid home in an area where there is a fair amount of young people willing to act in this way ... People can chose to accept it or disagree but I am sure I am right
Your spot on henners tbh I didn't mean acceptance from the non like minded folk it was meant as they don't seek acceptance from those who say they are not fans or do not indulge in the same football experience
Exactly the opposite in fact. Annoying the East stand cardigan wearers like you NLA , NSS or DA9 would be seen as a positive by them and a vindication that what they are doing is right.
I'm lost on that point Henry, I know you know my history, but surely they would want the likes of me to praise their antics, I've missed your point or am i being incredibly thick here?
This is CAFC how many games in the last 30 years thats over 600 games has this happened ? id say less than10? maybe or less--------and now people are talking about not going FFS.
So people deciding not to take their children to the Millwall game because they they are concerned for their safety are overreacting? Right-wing nonsense...
Well I suppose some will be happy to see that Charlton have shaken off their reputation as a "family club." I took my 12 year old brother to Millwall and didn't think anything went on there that was too bad, I mean it was a bit edgy but it wasn't that bad. But Palace, I am so glad I didn't take him. The atmosphere at the game was fantastic but what happened afterwards was disgusting.
No excuses, no blaming police, what I saw some Charlton fans who were old enough to know better doing on Saturday was awful. Blaming the police just shows the complete density of some of the twats that support our club.
We lost, some people worked up a temper and decided to take it out on some people who probably couldn't afford to go to a football match if they wanted to's property. I'm sure they would also agree that it was the police's fault.
Well done.
And I say this as a fan who made the effort to get to the game on crutches, I love my club more than anything, I can't wait for the next match, but I think that anyone who tried to blame anyone other than our fans for what happened is either a fool or naive. If some Palace fans started smashing up Harvey Gardens and claimed it was because of "overbearing police" I'm guessing sympathy would be limited?
Or is the idea of loving your club without smashing something up because it creates "atmosphere" too alien an idea for some of the twats on here?
My next away game is Leicester, and I will be taking my now 13 year old brother, who loves going to see Charlton as much as possible (Season ticket holder at home, and get to as many away games as possible). I'm guessing that these so called "fans" won't be there because it isn't Millwall/Palace on that occasion, otherwise I wouldn't bother.
I don't want Charlton to become a club I can't take my brother to, and when I'm older, my kids to until they are old enough to be able to handle looking out for seats flying at them, or people throwing rocks aiming for police, or people making racist remarks about people in windows (all of which I personally saw myself rather than taking it second hand).
Or should I just tell my brother it's atmosphere at an away game and tell him to join in?
Great post . Never tell your brother that acting like a moron is the done thing . Although I presume from your post your sensible enough to know that. We really do attract some Chavkeys - Chav/Pikeys and it will be difficult to get rid if this low life unless we all stick together to rid of this scum from our club.
Well I suppose some will be happy to see that Charlton have shaken off their reputation as a "family club." I took my 12 year old brother to Millwall and didn't think anything went on there that was too bad, I mean it was a bit edgy but it wasn't that bad. But Palace, I am so glad I didn't take him. The atmosphere at the game was fantastic but what happened afterwards was disgusting.
No excuses, no blaming police, what I saw some Charlton fans who were old enough to know better doing on Saturday was awful. Blaming the police just shows the complete density of some of the twats that support our club.
We lost, some people worked up a temper and decided to take it out on some people who probably couldn't afford to go to a football match if they wanted to's property. I'm sure they would also agree that it was the police's fault.
Well done.
And I say this as a fan who made the effort to get to the game on crutches, I love my club more than anything, I can't wait for the next match, but I think that anyone who tried to blame anyone other than our fans for what happened is either a fool or naive. If some Palace fans started smashing up Harvey Gardens and claimed it was because of "overbearing police" I'm guessing sympathy would be limited?
Or is the idea of loving your club without smashing something up because it creates "atmosphere" too alien an idea for some of the twats on here?
My next away game is Leicester, and I will be taking my now 13 year old brother, who loves going to see Charlton as much as possible (Season ticket holder at home, and get to as many away games as possible). I'm guessing that these so called "fans" won't be there because it isn't Millwall/Palace on that occasion, otherwise I wouldn't bother.
I don't want Charlton to become a club I can't take my brother to, and when I'm older, my kids to until they are old enough to be able to handle looking out for seats flying at them, or people throwing rocks aiming for police, or people making racist remarks about people in windows (all of which I personally saw myself rather than taking it second hand).
Or should I just tell my brother it's atmosphere at an away game and tell him to join in?
I haven't seen anybody condone the actions of racism, vandalism or throwing rocks at the police and nobody has suggested these things add atmosphere. There is a difference between suggesting that the police didn't help / escalated some of the problems and suggesting they are solely responsible for everything and that the people taking part were blameless - nobody at all has suggested the culprits are not to blame for their actions...
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When you think that most of our younger more boisterous following have been to the same schools and places as those youth elements
Like it or not a small percentage and this must not be forgotten
Of young men like and enjoy the acts of violence and destruction this has gone on forever in the history of mankind just in differing formats
Now we are back home and have been for 20 years the majority of that group are 19 / 30 I would say
Then you have the group of men that are now 30/40 and the group that are 40/50 now all of those groups gravitate together and in the same places these can be places where non like minded people are but in the main certain pubs certain sections of grounds you will find people in groups who all if they want to or are incited can create havoc .
This is because they still have like minded or similar views on the whole match day experience
These are fans who love their club dearly however they show it In ways some do not understand or wish to acknowledge that sort of supporter
But that does not bother these kinds of fans as it is not acceptance that they crave
It can not be denied that since our return home and since I started going football in the 80s and I for some reason always people watched more than the football back then , have noticed that we have grown in the sheer percentage of young men that wish to follow this path of match day and football existence
The reason for this is we have a solid home in an area where there is a fair amount of young people willing to act in this way ... People can chose to accept it or disagree but I am sure I am right
"But that does not bother these kinds of fans as it is not acceptance that they crave"
I would disagree with this though.
They may not crave acceptance from those they see as the "old, Thermos flask brigade" but I think they do very much seek acceptance from their peers and from older blokes who've got a "reputation" for violence. By acting up and doing more and worse damage they hope to be seen in a good light by their social group.
Crucially they also want acceptance from fans of other clubs. You see it on here all the time from, mainly younger, fans. "No wonder fans of other clubs see us as anoraks" or "I hate it when fans of other clubs' see us a trainspotters".
They desperately crave acceptance as individual "lads" and as part of a collective that has a good reputation among other "firms".
It's all bollox and most, but not all, will grow out of it but there you go. As NLA it was ever thus.
There were Charlton spotters and OB with cameras plus numerous CCTV anyone who done it has a chance of being apprehended and dealt with
This is CAFC how many games in the last 30 years thats over 600 games has this happened ? id say less than10? maybe or less--------and now people are talking about not going FFS.
Give up pal so far from what I have read we may have just done a Leeds through the seaside back in the day
A millwall vs bham play offs
A Luton millwall in the cup not
Millwall away where nothing happend except people did not back down or get imtimidated by the jumping up and down foaming at mouth shit
Or palace where some not everyone caused some damage which was senseless and pointless
It's just getting stupid
Right-wing nonsense...
No excuses, no blaming police, what I saw some Charlton fans who were old enough to know better doing on Saturday was awful. Blaming the police just shows the complete density of some of the twats that support our club.
We lost, some people worked up a temper and decided to take it out on some people who probably couldn't afford to go to a football match if they wanted to's property. I'm sure they would also agree that it was the police's fault.
Well done.
And I say this as a fan who made the effort to get to the game on crutches, I love my club more than anything, I can't wait for the next match, but I think that anyone who tried to blame anyone other than our fans for what happened is either a fool or naive. If some Palace fans started smashing up Harvey Gardens and claimed it was because of "overbearing police" I'm guessing sympathy would be limited?
Or is the idea of loving your club without smashing something up because it creates "atmosphere" too alien an idea for some of the twats on here?
My next away game is Leicester, and I will be taking my now 13 year old brother, who loves going to see Charlton as much as possible (Season ticket holder at home, and get to as many away games as possible). I'm guessing that these so called "fans" won't be there because it isn't Millwall/Palace on that occasion, otherwise I wouldn't bother.
I don't want Charlton to become a club I can't take my brother to, and when I'm older, my kids to until they are old enough to be able to handle looking out for seats flying at them, or people throwing rocks aiming for police, or people making racist remarks about people in windows (all of which I personally saw myself rather than taking it second hand).
Or should I just tell my brother it's atmosphere at an away game and tell him to join in?