New Breed of Supporter
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Er, perhaps you should read this.....Croydon said:
please don't say 'pretend to be charlton supporters'. These people paid their money,sang their hearts out for our club. Vandalism was bang out of order but doesn't make anyone less of a fan.msomerton said:Will al these idiots talking about defending fans if attacked, attacked by who. The violence I saw came from people who pretend to be Charlton supporters. Destroying toilets or seats at opposition team s grounds is not supporting the club, it is the mentality that gave rise to last years riots, there is no excuse. I was at the Palace and pissed off because the old bill are treating us this way because of the growing number of these incidents with Charlton away, even at places like Burnley.
killerandflash Member
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Well all this guarantees
- A bill from Palace for the damage caused
- More future police attendance at our games in future (which we have to pay for)
But that's fine, as we have loads of spare cash haven't we ?!?
Oh, and zero chance of the game being 3pm next season.0 -
I cant believe the number of fans who think its perfectly ok to vandalise and behave like animals and then hide and snigger behind PCs and mobiles at other proper peoples genuine concerns.
Perhaps if i came round and smashed their cars and their house to pieces they would be happy, after all vandalism and burglaries have been going on for years so its perfectly acceptable.0 -
I read this thread and despair, I really do.0
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To add to the one stolen from The Den????Solidgone said:....and why would a Charlton supporter want take home a broken Palarse seat??
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Remember last season the club and Police were investigating sections of our away support, after complaints, and subsequently took actions against certain people - I remember a couple of nasty bits of work at Walsall. I presume there were plain clothed Policemen amongst the Charlton supporters on Saturday...0
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Sorry but you clearly do agree that violence has got worse. Nobody has said that football violence is worse than ever or football violence is a new thing. Everybody has said that recently violence at football has got worse.SE10 said:Never understood all the posts about football violence getting worse.
I'd say in the 70's and 80's and 90's at a push, you wouldn't bat an eyelid at cars being smashed etc. Not condoning it but you hear of stories even on here of Charlton smashing up and looting town centres in the 70's, it was probably common place then when teams took a large following.
Obviously died out a bit in the 00's but fv has and always will go on (albeit a much smaller scale), it's just that football is so sterile these days the smaller incidents are noticed more especially at clubs like Charlton.
Not a dig, but I suspect theres a fair few supporters on here who started following Charlton in the premiership years where lets be honest it is very sterile. Definitely been more incidents this season but thats just the division imo, local derbys like Palace and Milwall then lots of other teams with bad reps. These games will be more attractive for 95% of people more than the likes of Barnsley and Yeovil.
Given that you agree it went down in 2000 and is there now, you do agree it has got worse {since the turn of the century}. Which is all anyone has suggested.
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I don't get the point you're trying to make. How does that imply these people aren't fans?Ormiston Addick said:
Er, perhaps you should read this.....Croydon said:
please don't say 'pretend to be charlton supporters'. These people paid their money,sang their hearts out for our club. Vandalism was bang out of order but doesn't make anyone less of a fan.msomerton said:Will al these idiots talking about defending fans if attacked, attacked by who. The violence I saw came from people who pretend to be Charlton supporters. Destroying toilets or seats at opposition team s grounds is not supporting the club, it is the mentality that gave rise to last years riots, there is no excuse. I was at the Palace and pissed off because the old bill are treating us this way because of the growing number of these incidents with Charlton away, even at places like Burnley.
killerandflash Member
7:45PM
Well all this guarantees
- A bill from Palace for the damage caused
- More future police attendance at our games in future (which we have to pay for)
But that's fine, as we have loads of spare cash haven't we ?!?
Oh, and zero chance of the game being 3pm next season.
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Because a 'fan' wouldnt do something that will cost the club both financially and reputationally perhaps ?0
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Correct mon ami.MrOneLung said:Because a 'fan' wouldnt do something that will cost the club both financially and reputationally perhaps ?
Jesus fucking wept, what is wrong with some of these people?
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I doubt many thoughts ever enter their heads.Jarman said:
Do you think they smashed the seats/cars up simply so that CAFC would have to pay out?MrOneLung said:Because a 'fan' wouldnt do something that will cost the club both financially and reputationally perhaps ?
I doubt that thought even entered theIr heads at the time.0 -
Totes agree with you.Covered End said:
I doubt many thoughts ever enter their heads.Jarman said:
Do you think they smashed the seats/cars up simply so that CAFC would have to pay out?MrOneLung said:Because a 'fan' wouldnt do something that will cost the club both financially and reputationally perhaps ?
I doubt that thought even entered theIr heads at the time.0 -
Agreed. Of course they are supporters, otherwise they wouldn't bother going. Difference is they just lack a few brain cells compared to those supporters who aren't committing such acts.Jarman said:
Do you think they smashed the seats/cars up simply so that CAFC would have to pay out?MrOneLung said:Because a 'fan' wouldnt do something that will cost the club both financially and reputationally perhaps ?
I doubt that thought even entered theIr heads at the time.0 -
What does it have to do with Totes - they make slippers and socks don't they ? or did you mean Tote, the bookies ?Jarman said:
Totes agree with you.Covered End said:
I doubt many thoughts ever enter their heads.Jarman said:
Do you think they smashed the seats/cars up simply so that CAFC would have to pay out?MrOneLung said:Because a 'fan' wouldnt do something that will cost the club both financially and reputationally perhaps ?
I doubt that thought even entered theIr heads at the time.0 -
the smashing of vehicles and facilitys do nothing to enhance the reputation of our club both in football and non footballing ways therefore for me was a fruitless excersise
to be known as fans who cause willfull and expensive damage to innocent non like minded individuals is against the whole argument of what those involved wants to achieve
however it has happened historically at this fixture for years0 -
The latterPL54 said:
What does it have to do with Totes - they make slippers and socks don't they ? or did you mean Tote, the bookies ?Jarman said:
Totes agree with you.Covered End said:
I doubt many thoughts ever enter their heads.Jarman said:
Do you think they smashed the seats/cars up simply so that CAFC would have to pay out?MrOneLung said:Because a 'fan' wouldnt do something that will cost the club both financially and reputationally perhaps ?
I doubt that thought even entered theIr heads at the time.0 -
No. I just said it's alot more noticeable in the sterile enviroment modern football is, also normally a few hours after anything has happened it will end up being discussed on the internet.DRF said:
Sorry but you clearly do agree that violence has got worse. Nobody has said that football violence is worse than ever or football violence is a new thing. Everybody has said that recently violence at football has got worse.SE10 said:Never understood all the posts about football violence getting worse.
I'd say in the 70's and 80's and 90's at a push, you wouldn't bat an eyelid at cars being smashed etc. Not condoning it but you hear of stories even on here of Charlton smashing up and looting town centres in the 70's, it was probably common place then when teams took a large following.
Obviously died out a bit in the 00's but fv has and always will go on (albeit a much smaller scale), it's just that football is so sterile these days the smaller incidents are noticed more especially at clubs like Charlton.
Not a dig, but I suspect theres a fair few supporters on here who started following Charlton in the premiership years where lets be honest it is very sterile. Definitely been more incidents this season but thats just the division imo, local derbys like Palace and Milwall then lots of other teams with bad reps. These games will be more attractive for 95% of people more than the likes of Barnsley and Yeovil.
Given that you agree it went down in 2000 and is there now, you do agree it has got worse {since the turn of the century}. Which is all anyone has suggested.
Look at all the drama about Saturday and I don't think there was a punch thrown all day. Again, not condoning it but toilets and seats being damaged has happened at pretty much every Palace game I can remember.0 -
There was a time a few years back, when many of us were proud of our good reputation. Sterile seems such a negative word for something we should be proud of and aspire too. I don't mean singing and supporting the team btw- there shouldn't be any link with that and smashing up some innocent bloke's car.0
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The bloke in front of me wasted about a tenner on coins aimed at that lairy blonde left back and the lino!agim said:Have to say the support in ground was first class.
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Only a tenner?Sonicstud85 said:
The bloke in front of me wasted about a tenner on coins aimed at that lairy blonde left back and the lino!agim said:Have to say the support in ground was first class.
That left back was a right c***0 -
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no need to be a dick,I simply didn't understand your point and now I do. I didn't do any damage on saturday before you jump to conclusions nor am I condoning it,never once damaged a stadium when following Charlton. As someone has mentioned they didn't say "this is for charlton" and then smash a seat,it was more likely just mindless vandalism. So a different type of supporter to you,but still a supporterOrmiston Addick said:
Correct mon ami.MrOneLung said:Because a 'fan' wouldnt do something that will cost the club both financially and reputationally perhaps ?
Jesus fucking wept, what is wrong with some of these people?0 -
Please quote some of these fans then? Haven't seen a single person say anything of the sort on here...Chippycafc said:I cant believe the number of fans who think its perfectly ok to vandalise and behave like animals and then hide and snigger behind PCs and mobiles at other proper peoples genuine concerns.
Perhaps if i came round and smashed their cars and their house to pieces they would be happy, after all vandalism and burglaries have been going on for years so its perfectly acceptable.
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Spot on, some seem to think that to criticise the Polices ridiculous handling of the situation is to condone the behaviour of the small number of idiots. It isn't and its possible to criticise both.Michaelmon said:
Please quote some of these fans then? Haven't seen a single person say anything of the sort on here...Chippycafc said:I cant believe the number of fans who think its perfectly ok to vandalise and behave like animals and then hide and snigger behind PCs and mobiles at other proper peoples genuine concerns.
Perhaps if i came round and smashed their cars and their house to pieces they would be happy, after all vandalism and burglaries have been going on for years so its perfectly acceptable.
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I despair when I read views like this .Croydon said:
no need to be a dick,I simply didn't understand your point and now I do. I didn't do any damage on saturday before you jump to conclusions nor am I condoning it,been involved in plenty of mischief over the years but never once damaged a stadium when following Charlton. As someone has mentioned they didn't say "this is for charlton" and then smash a seat,it was more likely just mindless vandalism. So a different type of supporter to you,but still a supporterOrmiston Addick said:
Correct mon ami.MrOneLung said:Because a 'fan' wouldnt do something that will cost the club both financially and reputationally perhaps ?
Jesus fucking wept, what is wrong with some of these people?0 -
care to explain why?Bedsaddick said:
I despair when I read views like this .Croydon said:
no need to be a dick,I simply didn't understand your point and now I do. I didn't do any damage on saturday before you jump to conclusions nor am I condoning it,been involved in plenty of mischief over the years but never once damaged a stadium when following Charlton. As someone has mentioned they didn't say "this is for charlton" and then smash a seat,it was more likely just mindless vandalism. So a different type of supporter to you,but still a supporterOrmiston Addick said:
Correct mon ami.MrOneLung said:Because a 'fan' wouldnt do something that will cost the club both financially and reputationally perhaps ?
Jesus fucking wept, what is wrong with some of these people?
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Left a bit before the end on Saturday to avoid what I knew would be a lot of trouble, partly because I was with my son.
Things have definately got more of an edge to them this season than in recent years. Having been to both Millwall and Palace this season, I don't think I will in the future. I'll sing along like a good'un but chocking on flare smoke and listening to c*nt, c*nt, w*nker, c*nt all game in my ear just isn't my idea of a fun Saturday out. I guess I just don't hate enough.0 -
I am seriously thinking about whether to take my son to the Millwall game. I think that is incredibly sad.0
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I'm not condoning what happened on Saturday but do we really have a new breed of supporter? Going back to the 1970's I can remember being at games where Charlton fans would go on the rampage, jumping on cars and smashing windows (Gillingham in the Kent Cup, Brighton and Aldershot spring to mind). So it isn't a new breed of supporter, IMHO, it's just a different generation.TEL said:
In fact it was far, far worse in the 70's things wont change as far as local rivalries are concerned.stonemuse said:
exactly ...don't pretend its new and our fans have suddenly changed ...same happened in the 70's, 80's etc etc.northstandsteve said:It's Palace away get over it been happening for Donkey's years nothing new here, move on.
And I'm not posting to justify anything ...just pointing out it is has always been this way at selhurst.0 -
From the outside I think it was NLA who made a very good point that the demographic of our support is changing, the kids are coming through & so our support becomes younger more boisterous, more rowdy - less respectable if you like. If you were 6 at the time of the play-offs, you'd be 20 now. There isn't really much of a reason why our natural support wouldn't mirror to a small extent that of Millwall or West Ham as we are drawing from the same areas..we might have the moderating influence of the older generation & less of a reputation to attract the nutters, but I think the changes are inevitable & becoming more apparent season upon season.Valley McMoist said:
I'm not condoning what happened on Saturday but do we really have a new breed of supporter? Going back to the 1970's I can remember being at games where Charlton fans would go on the rampage, jumping on cars and smashing windows (Gillingham in the Kent Cup, Brighton and Aldershot spring to mind). So it isn't a new breed of supporter, IMHO, it's just a different generation.TEL said:
In fact it was far, far worse in the 70's things wont change as far as local rivalries are concerned.stonemuse said:
exactly ..-.don't pretend its new and our fans have suddenly changed ...same happened in the 70's, 80's etc etc.northstandsteve said:It's Palace away get over it been happening for Donkey's years nothing new here, move on.
And I'm not posting to justify anything ...just pointing out it is has always been this way at selhurst.
As VM says above, a different generation - but the first time we have had this generation for a long time.
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