I wonder if our clubs stance would have been different if our fans hadn't of played up a bit at the end ?
Don't know enough about Frimpong to know whether he is someone who can be trusted or not. But one thing i'm pretty sure of, Haynes had a previous spell with Millwall, it went well, he was looking forward to returning, and since being with us has come across as a decent character. He doesn't strike me as the type to simply make it up.
For that alone, if its been hushed up and downplayed, then i'm disappointed.
I do think though going on Facebook or Twitter and bringing high profile things to the table and then just retracting them, is ill-advised and something that needs to stop.
You really should ring the police and the club(Charlton) about what you heard as seems like that is the only way anything will be done, with our players deciding to forget it as many people who are victim of abuse/crime do and with how little that joke of a club really care about sorting out the worst section of there fanbase.
WSS-agreed but my point is that the Millwall Stewards heard it/had the evidence and chose not to act. It's their responsibility in that situation as an official officer of that football club to deal with the situation.
You should complain to police, part of your complaint being that the Millwall employees did nothing.
players should be told what the correct procedure is , so they know to tell a club official of the home team as it is happening and not go on to twitter or whatever
They're naive for putting in on twitter in the first place. Someones always going to look silly when the clubs decide what action will take place.
If there is evidence of racist abuse then it should be taken forwards, if there isn't then it should just be left. Understand Millwalls perspective, players make these claims and the press jump on their case. These allegations hang around their club and Haynes and Frimpong walk away scott free, and in many cases only the players know if they heard it or misheard and just assumed something. They make themselves look stupid for not taking forward. And thats when you have to question whether they knew entirely what they were hearing.
I can only take my mates word when they said that it was just 'thief thief thief' being shouted at bwp when they warmed up.
It does beg the question of why didn't Haynes or Frimpong mention it at the time to a copper or the 4th official so something could be done.
I don't for one second believe they've made it up and this type of thing has happened too often (and always at Millwall funnily enough) for there to be nothing in it, but once you let it go and leave the pitch/stadium, what good is it reporting it then or going on twitter?
If we take the Obi Mikkel case we all slatted Chelsea for not going through the proper channels. If there are proper channels then the club should be aware of them and they should make players aware of them.
I don't think Millwall should be slagged off for their statement, equally i don't think our players should be accused of lying.
Twitter is a great communications vehicle, unless of course its put into the hands of footballers and football fans
One of their fans on Millwall online had the cheek to say this:
"It's getting beyond a joke now, the FA have to take action against players making false accusations. We'll have to mike up all around the pitch to protect ourselves"
Ha ha i think we all know that won't be happening anytime soon. If they did that they'd lose about another 4k off their gates.
I do think though going on Facebook or Twitter and bringing high profile things to the table and then just retracting them, is ill-advised and something that needs to stop.
this absolutely. Either report it through the proper channels or don't say anything at all.
It would be interesting to hear the views of Millwalls black players about their crowd. Do they put up with it because they have a job or do they complain about it?
I think it would be perfectly natural for a player to comment on social media if they felt they had been racially abused. As Lifers have testified this was the case, we can be sure this occured. My guess is the players may have realised there is little or no point to take it further and would have initially reacted as they did out of anger. Millwall does act as a useful filter - I feel sorry for the decent fans they undoubtably do have, who support them because their fathers and grandfathers did - they have little chance of ever seeing anything decent come out of their scummy club.
That is why it is very important we don't look to compete against them on who can be the scummiest - given the choice - I doubt any new supporters would pick Millwall over us if they are half decent and if they are not - we want them to support Millwall. We need Millwall to attract the cretins and pathetic BNPers and leave the decent fans for us. Our club's support will grow because families/new supporters are attracted - the Valley should be a friendly, exciting and accomodating place. I like reading that away supporters seem to like coming here. We should never let our standards drop - support the team vocally and with passion, but also pride ourselves in being fair minded and decent as we undoubtably are.
I wonder if it is a case of "you drop the racist comments allegations and we drop the complaints about damage to seating, flares being thrown". Both sides letting things go.
I wonder if it is a case of "you drop the racist comments allegations and we drop the complaints about damage to seating, flares being thrown". Both sides letting things go.
This is what I immeadiately thought when starting to read this thread............I haven't heard anything from Millwall re the seat or flare throwing and perhaps both clubs thought it best just to keep schtum about it all.
If so, then the "fans" in the lower tier have something to answer to..........
I wonder if it is a case of "you drop the racist comments allegations and we drop the complaints about damage to seating, flares being thrown". Both sides letting things go.
If that is true then i have lost every bit of respect for anybody who was part of that decision but luckily i doubt it happened.
Personally believe it is much more likely that Frimpong & Haynes did not want to have to get drawn in to a long case against Millwall which will only get them more abuse, even from of there own fans and the anti pc brigade.
They decided to just put it down as scummy club with some scummy fans which they can forget about and move on with there life.
Which is why Meldrew needs to make a statement, so that something is done.
I wonder if it is a case of "you drop the racist comments allegations and we drop the complaints about damage to seating, flares being thrown". Both sides letting things go.
If that was the case then how do you think Haynes and Frimpong would feel?
I think it's much more likely a case of there being no evidence so it's a 'your word against his' situation.
I wonder if it is a case of "you drop the racist comments allegations and we drop the complaints about damage to seating, flares being thrown". Both sides letting things go.
Could you imagine the stick the club would get if that ever came out. No way would they run the risk.
More so the evidence is already there about the flares, seats, bottles etc if they want to act on it. Evidence of the abuse (through recordings) doesn't exist, other than people claiming it happened.
TBF I think Millwall are doing their best to tone down their awful image. It's not in their best interest to be known as a racist, holigan club. I think the FA has rewarded their efforts by allowing non members to buy match tickets. Is that right? Anyway I reckon a deal was made with something like, we will not report the racist comments if you don't report our fans about the flares chucked on the pitch.
Meldrew making a complaint We should all be ringing the club demanding what is going on either they were or they were not. if they were we take it further if there were not discipline the pair of them we put up with so much bullsh@t
I wonder if it is a case of "you drop the racist comments allegations and we drop the complaints about damage to seating, flares being thrown". Both sides letting things go.
If that is true then i have lost every bit of respect for anybody who was part of that decision but luckily i doubt it happened.
Personally believe it is much more likely that Frimpong & Haynes did not want to have to get drawn in to a long case against Millwall which will only get them more abuse, even from of there own fans and the anti pc brigade.
They decided to just put it down as scummy club with some scummy fans which they can forget about and move on with there life.
Which is why Meldrew needs to make a statement, so that something is done.
Maybe you're right. I'm just a bit surprised that nothing appears to have been said at all about the chair and flare issue. Maybe both clubs decided to draw a line under the incident without explicitly linking it to the racism issue. I don't know.
My guess it was more a decision of the players than the club. I'm sure the club would say - we'll support you in this if you want to pursue and the players decided it wasn't worth it as would I in their place.
2 players take to Twitter (not the club/police) to make unfound claims of racism, no evidence found.
Millwall as a club get tarred as racist although there was no official complaint/evidence. They're probably well within their rights to sue Haynes/Frimpong.
I imagine that Millwall said that they wouldn't report us for ripping out seats if we didn't bubble them up about alleged racist abuse. Someone senior has asked Frimpong and Haynes to take one for the team & we move on.
I'm probably as anti-racist as anyone on this board, but I think the club is right on this occasion not to make any further complaint.
It would achieve absolutely nothing at Millwall and the behaviour of some of our own supporters - specifically throwing coins, seats and flares - was every bit as unacceptable on Saturday. Totally support the players right to tweet what happened though.
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Don't know enough about Frimpong to know whether he is someone who can be trusted or not. But one thing i'm pretty sure of, Haynes had a previous spell with Millwall, it went well, he was looking forward to returning, and since being with us has come across as a decent character. He doesn't strike me as the type to simply make it up.
For that alone, if its been hushed up and downplayed, then i'm disappointed.
I do think though going on Facebook or Twitter and bringing high profile things to the table and then just retracting them, is ill-advised and something that needs to stop.
Oh dear.
Someones always going to look silly when the clubs decide what action will take place.
If there is evidence of racist abuse then it should be taken forwards, if there isn't then it should just be left.
Understand Millwalls perspective, players make these claims and the press jump on their case. These allegations hang around their club and Haynes and Frimpong walk away scott free, and in many cases only the players know if they heard it or misheard and just assumed something.
They make themselves look stupid for not taking forward. And thats when you have to question whether they knew entirely what they were hearing.
I can only take my mates word when they said that it was just 'thief thief thief' being shouted at bwp when they warmed up.
If you hear it then make a complaint.
I don't for one second believe they've made it up and this type of thing has happened too often (and always at Millwall funnily enough) for there to be nothing in it, but once you let it go and leave the pitch/stadium, what good is it reporting it then or going on twitter?
I don't think Millwall should be slagged off for their statement, equally i don't think our players should be accused of lying.
Twitter is a great communications vehicle, unless of course its put into the hands of footballers and football fans
"It's getting beyond a joke now, the FA have to take action against players making false accusations. We'll have to mike up all around the pitch to protect ourselves"
Ha ha i think we all know that won't be happening anytime soon. If they did that they'd lose about another 4k off their gates.
That is why it is very important we don't look to compete against them on who can be the scummiest - given the choice - I doubt any new supporters would pick Millwall over us if they are half decent and if they are not - we want them to support Millwall. We need Millwall to attract the cretins and pathetic BNPers and leave the decent fans for us. Our club's support will grow because families/new supporters are attracted - the Valley should be a friendly, exciting and accomodating place. I like reading that away supporters seem to like coming here. We should never let our standards drop - support the team vocally and with passion, but also pride ourselves in being fair minded and decent as we undoubtably are.
This is what I immeadiately thought when starting to read this thread............I haven't heard anything from Millwall re the seat or flare throwing and perhaps both clubs thought it best just to keep schtum about it all.
If so, then the "fans" in the lower tier have something to answer to..........
Personally believe it is much more likely that Frimpong & Haynes did not want to have to get drawn in to a long case against Millwall which will only get them more abuse, even from of there own fans and the anti pc brigade.
They decided to just put it down as scummy club with some scummy fans which they can forget about and move on with there life.
Which is why Meldrew needs to make a statement, so that something is done.
If that was the case then how do you think Haynes and Frimpong would feel?
I think it's much more likely a case of there being no evidence so it's a 'your word against his' situation.
More so the evidence is already there about the flares, seats, bottles etc if they want to act on it. Evidence of the abuse (through recordings) doesn't exist, other than people claiming it happened.
I thought that was what would happen. Typical Millwall "it wasn't us" but CAFC and the two players have left themselves open to this.
I can see why the players wouldn't want the aggro, abuse and distraction but they are getting that anyway plus their word being doubted.
Anyway I reckon a deal was made with something like, we will not report the racist comments if you don't report our fans about the flares chucked on the pitch.
We should all be ringing the club demanding what is going on either they were or they were not.
if they were we take it further if there were not discipline the pair of them
we put up with so much bullsh@t
2 players take to Twitter (not the club/police) to make unfound claims of racism, no evidence found.
Millwall as a club get tarred as racist although there was no official complaint/evidence. They're probably well within their rights to sue Haynes/Frimpong.
It would achieve absolutely nothing at Millwall and the behaviour of some of our own supporters - specifically throwing coins, seats and flares - was every bit as unacceptable on Saturday. Totally support the players right to tweet what happened though.