Really strange policing compared to the last game. Last game No aggro Not 100% sure but lower tier shut Police horses come on pitch at final whistle, creating a barrier between fans. Charlton fans held in after game.
Yesterday Aggro at end of game Lower tier open and fans confronting each other Line of stewards and police gradually getting between the two areas. Fans allowed out and after 100m able to mix with each other.
Never been homeless tho - surely that's the definition of two bob?
Trying to think of just one big (eg Man United) or medium sized (eg Leicester) club to have been made homeless and forced to go cap in hand to a local rival.
You clearly have a limited knowledge of the history of your own club. How embarrassing for you. Does this make your club two bob too? Of course, you are not BIG or MEDIUM so that doesn't count.
Really strange policing compared to the last game. Last game No aggro Not 100% sure but lower tier shut Police horses come on pitch at final whistle, creating a barrier between fans. Charlton fans held in after game.
Yesterday Aggro at end of game Lower tier open and fans confronting each other Line of stewards and police gradually getting between the two areas. Fans allowed out and after 100m able to mix with each other.
We had the lower tier last time as well
Cheers I was in Upper last time, could not remember
Well I thought the flares and smoke bomb out of order, made me think I was in with the nigels, At the end that group of prats in the lower teir who charged toward east stand giving all should be banned. This game brought out the so cllaed charlton fans that you do not see from one year to the next, that is embarassing, and what trouble outside the ground I left about 5mins after the whistle and walked upto the tube station on the Jamaica road saw nothing.
As long as no one is hurt (which will prolly happen one day) I don't mind the flares smoke bombs or whatever It gives us a bit of colour and personality and boy do we need it and unlike most I think the palace geeks look good with all that singing and jumping around
Sure Bunny, we've been on our uppers. Doesn't make us two bob though does it, because that's over with. We've come through that and, as tough as it was, we a bigger and stronger for that experience. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
As for the company we keep. It's interesting that you quote Man Utd. They were once dependant on the help of their neighbours, playing their home games at Maine Road for three seasons. In fact their club record attendance is still for a home match played at their neighbour's place.
I think you might need to bring yourself up to date and get a new argument; the old one probably worked well 25 years ago, we'd have had no answer. But not now.
Greenie Junior, what do you really expect, seeing as the Red Division all started the flares/smokebombs (I can't tell the difference) thing - which I haven't got a problem with. But that one was close to hitting a young innocent kid.
If it weren't you lot, then I take back the sarky remark.
The difference is a smoke grenade is SMOKE a flare is a big bright light
Not at the game, but for what it's worth having read 7 pages of opinion my view is simple. If we're gonna take the piss at Millwall we don't need to do it the Millwall way. The Jeremy Kyle song, the Murrrrr piss take, great stuff. Even to a point the flare and smoke bomb. Anything beyond that though, ripping out chairs, cutthroat signs, etc, we don't need. I don't think we need to imagine the debate really is all or nothing.
Seriously, we still get the Addams family song most weeks. The mentality is, "it was fun last week let's do it this week, derrrr" - we could do without repeats of the non-Charlton stuff at future away games.
That's not to say we've not always had our share of idiots, but don't bloody encourage them.
Will be a different type of Millwall fan turn up at the Valley come march I imagine.
Before yesterday I think any millwall herbert found having a pop at a Charlton fan would get laughed at/ frowned upon by their own supporters in the same way if we had walked round dishing slaps out at Fulham last year. They will have an element now thinking any charlton fan that does anything other than walk with hands in their pockets staring at the ground will be fair game now I imagine and even then there will probably be idiots who will have a pop at the stereotypical anorak wearing supporters. I doubt well take the same numbers there next year and whilst ill go i think many on here will probably avoid the march game if they fear they could get caught up in aggro they dont want.
As much as me and Len glover/Muttley are chalk and cheese and have different views on what going to football is about I completely understand where they are coming from on this on this thread and i would have hated it after the game yesterday if I was with a child or woman or old person or someone who gets intimidated by that sort of thing. And even then as I was stone cold sober and not full of brave juice my only thought was just get your head down and get out of there without getting arrested or getting a slap as I dont go to football for that sort of stuff. Couldnt care less if whether that makes me a "melt" or whether it is just being streetwise and thinking Im not risking losing my career/ astounding good looks for having a row with some lemon who supports a different football club than me.
I wouldnt be very surprised, in fact I would bet my future mortgage on it, that the crowd there yesterday would be very different to the one they take to west ham or leeds. I'd say yesterday it was luck that no one got hurt yesterday more than millwall gone soft.
I'm no mug and can handle myself (to a degree) with the average football fan (not that Id ever see the need to) but there are people who live for opening people up at football and as i walked the wrong way with my mate after the game last night if a group of them had cottoned on we were charlton we would have taken a kicking despite not even being slightly interested in having a row.
That was nothing really what happened after the game yesterday....ive been in a lot more intimidating situations in and out of football but really it's just cos we dont see that sort of aggro at charlton anymore it seems like it "went off" but it was just handbags.
I imagine when they play teams like west ham and people get stabbed minding their own business etc it is a different ball game and an entirely different atmosphere than last night. I dont think we have the numbers of types of fans who want that sort of atmosphere at the valley for anything to happen other than charlton fans coming off a lot worse, and probably most who dont want to be involved in that sort of bollocks in the first place.
I hate them in a football rivalry sense and the scum element they have that misguidedly bully people because they play up to the rep.... but let's not get too high and mighty about looking down on the jeremy kyles they have....without a doubt they have a greater number of mouthy little chavs who are an embarrassment but some of the pond life from our lot i saw travelling to the game on the bus from london bridge acting up and giving it the biggun in their skinny jeans and poxy x factor hair cuts were properly cringeworthy.
The Jeremy Kyle song is bery pertinent at Millwall and fittingly got sung loads yesterday bit, as you say Rikofold, we'll now be singing that every week-doesn't really apply to the likes of Brighton and Watford does it?
Had a box up behind all the trouble... Seeing a Millwank fan take a few truncheon hits to the head and a punch in the face before the copper had to be pulled away was brilliant
Not at the game, but for what it's worth having read 7 pages of opinion my view is simple. If we're gonna take the piss at Millwall we don't need to do it the Millwall way. The Jeremy Kyle song, the Murrrrr piss take, great stuff. Even to a point the flare and smoke bomb. Anything beyond that though, ripping out chairs, cutthroat signs, etc, we don't need. I don't think we need to imagine the debate really is all or nothing.
Seriously, we still get the Addams family song most weeks. The mentality is, "it was fun last week let's do it this week, derrrr" - we could do without repeats of the non-Charlton stuff at future away games.
That's not to say we've not always had our share of idiots, but don't bloody encourage them.
Can people stop comparing us with that muggy lot down the road. Things were thrown by about 10 people in a crowd of 3,600 and its the first time I've seen anything like it by our lot in years and years. Typical Charlton over reaction and its embarrassing.
Its fine and well saying that our support took the piss vocally but there will be consequences for the seat and flare throwing. The verbals and stuff in the stand is a laugh and as much as I really hate the term is just banter. Throwing seats and flares on the pitch gives it another dimension and gives anyone itching for a kick off an excuse to see it as an offer for more than verbal exchanges.
I remember when Bristol threw a flare on our pitch and i thought sad wankers but didnt think right im gonna steam into the jimmy seed and have a tear up with the carrot crunchers but others have a different outlook. Whilst most at millwall will no doubt laugh at it and the seat throwing as pretty sad others will see it as charlton getting brave and see it as an excuse to act the bully when they come to ours and people that go to football just for football will likely get caught up in it.
Id say that of our crowds maybe 5% would actively be up for a row and maybe another 5% would if it came to it. Id say it is probably nearer 80% of their support so when you look at it like that it's probably not an idea to get too cocky in that department.
Can people stop comparing us with that muggy lot down the road. Things were thrown by about 10 people in a crowd of 3,600 and its the first time I've seen anything like it by our lot in years and years. Typical Charlton over reaction and its embarrassing.
We took this piss over there and don't forget it.
Sorry Plaaayer I make you wrong. One Charlton fan acting like a Millwall fan embarrasses me.
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What idiot took the flares today?? We aren't palace wankers FFS #cafc
It gives us a bit of colour and personality and boy do we need it and unlike most I think the palace geeks look good with all that singing and jumping around
As for the company we keep. It's interesting that you quote Man Utd. They were once dependant on the help of their neighbours, playing their home games at Maine Road for three seasons. In fact their club record attendance is still for a home match played at their neighbour's place.
I think you might need to bring yourself up to date and get a new argument; the old one probably worked well 25 years ago, we'd have had no answer. But not now.
a flare is a big bright light
Seriously, we still get the Addams family song most weeks. The mentality is, "it was fun last week let's do it this week, derrrr" - we could do without repeats of the non-Charlton stuff at future away games.
That's not to say we've not always had our share of idiots, but don't bloody encourage them.
Before yesterday I think any millwall herbert found having a pop at a Charlton fan would get laughed at/ frowned upon by their own supporters in the same way if we had walked round dishing slaps out at Fulham last year. They will have an element now thinking any charlton fan that does anything other than walk with hands in their pockets staring at the ground will be fair game now I imagine and even then there will probably be idiots who will have a pop at the stereotypical anorak wearing supporters. I doubt well take the same numbers there next year and whilst ill go i think many on here will probably avoid the march game if they fear they could get caught up in aggro they dont want.
As much as me and Len glover/Muttley are chalk and cheese and have different views on what going to football is about I completely understand where they are coming from on this on this thread and i would have hated it after the game yesterday if I was with a child or woman or old person or someone who gets intimidated by that sort of thing. And even then as I was stone cold sober and not full of brave juice my only thought was just get your head down and get out of there without getting arrested or getting a slap as I dont go to football for that sort of stuff. Couldnt care less if whether that makes me a "melt" or whether it is just being streetwise and thinking Im not risking losing my career/ astounding good looks for having a row with some lemon who supports a different football club than me.
I wouldnt be very surprised, in fact I would bet my future mortgage on it, that the crowd there yesterday would be very different to the one they take to west ham or leeds. I'd say yesterday it was luck that no one got hurt yesterday more than millwall gone soft.
I'm no mug and can handle myself (to a degree) with the average football fan (not that Id ever see the need to) but there are people who live for opening people up at football and as i walked the wrong way with my mate after the game last night if a group of them had cottoned on we were charlton we would have taken a kicking despite not even being slightly interested in having a row.
That was nothing really what happened after the game yesterday....ive been in a lot more intimidating situations in and out of football but really it's just cos we dont see that sort of aggro at charlton anymore it seems like it "went off" but it was just handbags.
I imagine when they play teams like west ham and people get stabbed minding their own business etc it is a different ball game and an entirely different atmosphere than last night. I dont think we have the numbers of types of fans who want that sort of atmosphere at the valley for anything to happen other than charlton fans coming off a lot worse, and probably most who dont want to be involved in that sort of bollocks in the first place.
I hate them in a football rivalry sense and the scum element they have that misguidedly bully people because they play up to the rep.... but let's not get too high and mighty about looking down on the jeremy kyles they have....without a doubt they have a greater number of mouthy little chavs who are an embarrassment but some of the pond life from our lot i saw travelling to the game on the bus from london bridge acting up and giving it the biggun in their skinny jeans and poxy x factor hair cuts were properly cringeworthy.
Good day out though and good to steal a point.
Am miles away but happy to hear of cafc fans singing loudly and mocking 'wall... No need to call it on or throw stuff...
Out singing , out mocking and out supporting them is niiiiice to hear about
Their chant at BWP was odd. You're shit and your dad's a cunt. Well, I guess he is a millwall fan...
they are and always will be scum.
For once the team didnt fold and the support took the piss
We took this piss over there and don't forget it.
I remember when Bristol threw a flare on our pitch and i thought sad wankers but didnt think right im gonna steam into the jimmy seed and have a tear up with the carrot crunchers but others have a different outlook. Whilst most at millwall will no doubt laugh at it and the seat throwing as pretty sad others will see it as charlton getting brave and see it as an excuse to act the bully when they come to ours and people that go to football just for football will likely get caught up in it.
Id say that of our crowds maybe 5% would actively be up for a row and maybe another 5% would if it came to it. Id say it is probably nearer 80% of their support so when you look at it like that it's probably not an idea to get too cocky in that department.
Muuuuuuurrrrrrrr
Did they even sing??