I don't see it as bitter, just an analysis from a left wing perspective. If people feel it's wrong then they perhaps they should make counter arguments? It leaves me very uncomfortable TBH. Despite my total joy at seeing CP lead us to back to the Championship, I haven't felt able to sing 'We've got our Charlton back', and this article has hit some raw spots. I understand what SoundAs is saying, but then I don't believe that anything the supporters think has any influence on what is actually going on. It's only our money that counts IMO.
Interesting piece. Bit marxist in terms of some of the phraseology perhaps. The temptation to shut your eyes and cover your ears with regard to who owns the club is very tempting, I must admit. I don't know why the writer is trying to mysterious about their identity as it's obviously Goonerhater.
I'm of the opinion that Jimenez and Slater have come to this club to make money. Why not, thats what businessmen do. Of course I would be disappointed big time if their business dealings affected our club so much that we ended up like Portsmouth or Rangers which to my knowledge hasn't happened. However these guys came in when we were close to the brink of collapse, helped us with the debts and provided Chris Powell with the funds to build a team that got us out of that awful League One.
To my knowledge nothing has been released officially to state that they have anything but the clubs best interests at heart. Ok so Jimenez has now bought more shares in the club, big deal.... Now if someone buys more shares in something (whether on behalf of someone or for themselves) surely this should mean that they have faith in the business and want to own more of it to get a larger share when that company does well. I'd see it worse if either Jimenez or Slater sold some of their shares to more unknown owners as that would tell me that they want to recoup some of their money already and think the ship is sinking.
The statements i have read from both over the last 2 years have said that they see this as a long term plan. The plan was to get out of League One... DONE and probably quicker than anticipated. The next step is to consolidate in the Championship.... I think the team we have will consolidate in the Championship. We won't be challenging unless some of the players severely step up their game, but they are certainly good enough to hold their own in this league. Powell said all along that he want's 4 - 5 (maybe 6) players to help the strength of the team. As people have said we are missing out on players because we are no longer the big fish in a small pond. Bigger names may well not want to risk joining a team that has only just been promoted because they don't know if their careers will progress. if we could throw money at players that would be different but to be honest I don't want to throw money at players who only want to be here for the money. Powell brought in players last year who you could see in their performances wanted to be at Charlton. Why not trust him and the board to do the same this year. If he is limited by funds because the numbers in the boardroom have not been as high as was first thought then we are gonna have to deal with it. Would rather the club stayed afloat and around.
We shouldn't be criticizing and alienating the owners who have effectively given us our Charlton back, until we know anything official that says others. Jimenez and the other board members shouldn't have to jump to every query fans raise to whats going on in the background otherwise he and the rest of the board would be forever releasing statements.
As long as the club i love is still running in years to come when i have Children of my own who want me to take them to the games and we are moving in the right direction, playing good football and not have fans sitting around me moaning all game then i will be a very happy man.
I'm bound to have people telling me, you are wrong, you don't know what you are talking about, etc, but you know what i don't care. Charlton is still my club, my passion and it always will be.
If I was Jiminez, Slater or anyone reading Charlton forums over the past couple of weeks I'd be wondering if I should have bothered getting involved with our club in the first place and investing their hard earned money.
Since they have come in there's not one thing that I can personally criticise them based on facts I know of. What has gone on on the pitch from sacking Parkinson, hiring powell, backing him with signings and seeing us play good football and secure a promotion that seemed a pipe dream 18 months ago and also off the pitch by a shaking up the club after it had all got a bit unstale and season ticket prices for this season has been nothing short of brilliant. And Im nothing other than grateful for their input so far. Theyve got us back on the right track.
Its easy to forget but without this lot we could have gone into admin, got relegated and seen the likes of solly and any decent prospects being sold off just to consolidate in the 3rd division waiting for the perfect takeover by billionaire lifelong charlton fans that was never gonna come.
When I see things deterioating on or off the pitch then Ill be up the club with my flaming torch and pitchfork but til then will see how the season unfolds and back the board in the same way they have backed the club. Whilst there are obviously issues until it becomes factually clear it's probably sensible to not read too much into snippets of second hand info and cryptic messages by staff who post such things then suddenly make themselves unavailable to answer simple and reasonable questions after prompting mass reaction with daunting soundbites.
And if that means burying my head in the sand so be it. Life's too short and cynical enough as it is to be worrying about speculation that one of the things that brings a respite from it all is going down the swaney too. The only people who really know what is going on is those calling the shots and everything else is 2nd hand info and will judge on actions of the club and their words not largely unsubstantiated words in cyberspace.
Embarrassing that I was even mentioned alongside such vile stuff even if it was a denial. Unnecessary and potentially damaging.
Vile? Bit strong, Henry?
"Friend of racists" , "legal theft" OK, not vile just libellous.
Definitely not something I'm comfortable linking from here and if I were the author I'd be concerned if TJ/MS lawyers were looking at drivel like that. But hey....it's on the internet right, so you can say what you like without consequence! Hmm...
Well it looks like they didn't find any WMD at CAFC, though some of 'us' managed to turn it into a scandal. Ultimately I don't care what happens off the pitch provided that CP gets support and we aren't going tits up.
I don't think we're Rangers or Pompey but ultimately I don't think anyone apart from the (justifiably) silent shareholders know.
If I was Jiminez, Slater or anyone reading Charlton forums over the past couple of weeks I'd be wondering if I should have bothered getting involved with our club in the first place and investing their hard earned money.
Since they have come in there's not one thing that I can personally criticise them based on facts I know of. What has gone on on the pitch from sacking Parkinson, hiring powell, backing him with signings and seeing us play good football and secure a promotion that seemed a pipe dream 18 months ago and also off the pitch by a shaking up the club after it had all got a bit unstale and season ticket prices for this season has been nothing short of brilliant. And Im nothing other than grateful for their input so far. Theyve got us back on the right track.
Its easy to forget but without this lot we could have gone into admin, got relegated and seen the likes of solly and any decent prospects being sold off just to consolidate in the 3rd division waiting for the perfect takeover by billionaire lifelong charlton fans that was never gonna come.
When I see things deterioating on or off the pitch then Ill be up the club with my flaming torch and pitchfork but til then will see how the season unfolds and back the board in the same way they have backed the club. Whilst there are obviously issues until it becomes factually clear it's probably sensible to not read too much into snippets of second hand info and cryptic messages by staff who post such things then suddenly make themselves unavailable to answer simple and reasonable questions after prompting mass reaction with daunting soundbites.
And if that means burying my head in the sand so be it. Life's too short and cynical enough as it is to be worrying about speculation that one of the things that brings a respite from it all is going down the swaney too. The only people who really know what is going on is those calling the shots and everything else is 2nd hand info and will judge on actions of the club and their words not largely unsubstantiated words in cyberspace.
That article is way, way over the top. I think the problem is that when there's a lack of information people start to make stuff up to fill the void. After a whole people's made up information becomes more and more extreme to garner the most attention, I think that article represents (hopefully) the pinnacle of that process.
That article is way, way over the top. I think the problem is that when there's a lack of information people start to make stuff up to fill the void. After a whole people's made up information becomes more and more extreme to garner the most attention, I think that article represents (hopefully) the pinnacle of that process.
Agree other than with the use of the word pinnacle. Depths might have been more appropriate.
But I'm sure the author is loving the attention so my last comment.
We don't know much about our owners - PV was instrumental in bringing them in, RM was very happy to largely sell out to them, that's good enough for me for the time being
They're not Charlton fans - Mark Hulyer was a Charlton fan, Simon Jordan was a Palace fan, being a fan doesn't always make you a better owner
I'm happy to trust this board because of what they've achieved so far, when we play Birmingham, when the Aug 31st deadline passes then we'll be able to fairly judge our progress in the transfer window. Remember Kermorgant wasn't signed in July, we started the season without him...
That article is way, way over the top. I think the problem is that when there's a lack of information people start to make stuff up to fill the void. After a whole people's made up information becomes more and more extreme to garner the most attention, I think that article represents (hopefully) the pinnacle of that process.
Exactly. Par for the course. When you take over a relatively large football club and decide to keep everything hush hush then these kinds of things will surface all the time.I'm sure it was expected. As far as the article is concerned,well you could probably say the same about most clubs these days. Ethics left football many years ago. I'm sure,as Rodney said, the large majority of fans are only interested about what's going on at pitch level and assurances that they can carry on following the team they love every week.
Embarrassing that I was even mentioned alongside such vile stuff even if it was a denial. Unnecessary and potentially damaging.
Vile? Bit strong, Henry?
"Friend of racists" , "legal theft" OK, not vile just libellous.
Agree with Henry My comment was that it was bitter. I still think that. Of course as in all pieces like this one it has the very suspect and yes vile agenda intertwined with elements of truth. Not sure why any Charlton fan would write this and I also agree that it could be damaging. Not liking where we are with all this at the moment. Comments by Roma whoever that might be are also either a complete attention seeking post or based on some other agenda. Hope we move on from this point pdq.
I posted along similar lines early on in this thread. So far, these guys have come in, pledged to run our club on sensible, commercial lines & build up our already well respected academy. They brought in and then backed Chris Powell, firstly at the end of his first season & then through the complete overhaul last season.
They seem intent on running a strong business and as much as it may be reassuring to us as supporters to have a fellow fan running the club - because it gives us a belief that they will only ever act in the way we would - for the long-term good of the club as a going concern, I would prefer decision-makers acting mostly with their business heads & not their football hearts.
As I said before, the owners have done what they said, have delivered ahead of schedule and deserve an element of trust.
That's not being complacent. It certainly isn't rose-tinted specs. It's simply a rational view from the sidelines of someone who, like all of us, has no access to the inner workings of the board.
I have after much soul searching decided to chill out on all this for the time being. Watch events unfold with an eagle eye and get involved in the supporters trust. I give the board who have done so well so far my unconditional support but I will be very annoyed if my trust is betrayed.
I have after much soul searching decided to chill out on all this for the time being. Watch events unfold with an eagle eye and get involved in the supporters trust. I give the board who have done so well so far my unconditional support but I will be very annoyed if my trust is betrayed.
That article is just weird - someone trying to shoehorn the situation at CAFC (despite us not knowing the facts about what is actually happening) into a political rant about their own favourite hobbyhorse.
All that stuff about racism is just ridiculous and smacks of someone not having an argument attempting to tenuously link to anything negative they can think of - no wonder they chose to remain anonymous.
At the end of the day, all league clubs need benefactors/investors, or to put it another way, 'rich people' to survive. We are no different.
The phrase 'biting the hand that feeds you' springs to mind for some reason....
The alleged racism concerns Arab-Israeli politics. The perspective of many Jews today would be that Dubai/Zabeel/UAE is guilty of racism toward the Jews. TJ brokers deals for the same people therefore TJ is guilty by association. It is not a point of view I share. I would still prefer however that we knew who our paymaster is and then all this speculation and disagreeable stuff wouldn't happen.
Well put Rodney. I don't think that it's malicious it's more a bit of positioning and mild speculation getting blown out of proportion by idle hands going through closed season blues. Cliqueschief.
Agree with Henry to a point although i wouldn't say it's vile It's certainly uncalled for! We really need to stop second guessing and I feel that article doesn't help at all.
Whatever you think or don't think about his political affiliations nobody with the vaguest, slightest pretensions to following Charlton can doubt Rick Everitt's contribution to the cause in varied ways over the last 25 years or so.
The poster quoted by Valley 27000 has to be a WUM (or whatever the expression is).
Absolutely ridiculous to question the Airman. You might disagree with him but there is no doubt that his views come from the best of motives when it comes to matters Charlton.
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I don't know why the writer is trying to mysterious about their identity as it's obviously Goonerhater.
To my knowledge nothing has been released officially to state that they have anything but the clubs best interests at heart. Ok so Jimenez has now bought more shares in the club, big deal.... Now if someone buys more shares in something (whether on behalf of someone or for themselves) surely this should mean that they have faith in the business and want to own more of it to get a larger share when that company does well. I'd see it worse if either Jimenez or Slater sold some of their shares to more unknown owners as that would tell me that they want to recoup some of their money already and think the ship is sinking.
The statements i have read from both over the last 2 years have said that they see this as a long term plan. The plan was to get out of League One... DONE and probably quicker than anticipated. The next step is to consolidate in the Championship.... I think the team we have will consolidate in the Championship. We won't be challenging unless some of the players severely step up their game, but they are certainly good enough to hold their own in this league. Powell said all along that he want's 4 - 5 (maybe 6) players to help the strength of the team. As people have said we are missing out on players because we are no longer the big fish in a small pond. Bigger names may well not want to risk joining a team that has only just been promoted because they don't know if their careers will progress. if we could throw money at players that would be different but to be honest I don't want to throw money at players who only want to be here for the money. Powell brought in players last year who you could see in their performances wanted to be at Charlton. Why not trust him and the board to do the same this year. If he is limited by funds because the numbers in the boardroom have not been as high as was first thought then we are gonna have to deal with it. Would rather the club stayed afloat and around.
We shouldn't be criticizing and alienating the owners who have effectively given us our Charlton back, until we know anything official that says others. Jimenez and the other board members shouldn't have to jump to every query fans raise to whats going on in the background otherwise he and the rest of the board would be forever releasing statements.
As long as the club i love is still running in years to come when i have Children of my own who want me to take them to the games and we are moving in the right direction, playing good football and not have fans sitting around me moaning all game then i will be a very happy man.
I'm bound to have people telling me, you are wrong, you don't know what you are talking about, etc, but you know what i don't care. Charlton is still my club, my passion and it always will be.
Since they have come in there's not one thing that I can personally criticise them based on facts I know of. What has gone on on the pitch from sacking Parkinson, hiring powell, backing him with signings and seeing us play good football and secure a promotion that seemed a pipe dream 18 months ago and also off the pitch by a shaking up the club after it had all got a bit unstale and season ticket prices for this season has been nothing short of brilliant. And Im nothing other than grateful for their input so far. Theyve got us back on the right track.
Its easy to forget but without this lot we could have gone into admin, got relegated and seen the likes of solly and any decent prospects being sold off just to consolidate in the 3rd division waiting for the perfect takeover by billionaire lifelong charlton fans that was never gonna come.
When I see things deterioating on or off the pitch then Ill be up the club with my flaming torch and pitchfork but til then will see how the season unfolds and back the board in the same way they have backed the club. Whilst there are obviously issues until it becomes factually clear it's probably sensible to not read too much into snippets of second hand info and cryptic messages by staff who post such things then suddenly make themselves unavailable to answer simple and reasonable questions after prompting mass reaction with daunting soundbites.
And if that means burying my head in the sand so be it. Life's too short and cynical enough as it is to be worrying about speculation that one of the things that brings a respite from it all is going down the swaney too. The only people who really know what is going on is those calling the shots and everything else is 2nd hand info and will judge on actions of the club and their words not largely unsubstantiated words in cyberspace.
I don't think we're Rangers or Pompey but ultimately I don't think anyone apart from the (justifiably) silent shareholders know.
Football please
But I'm sure the author is loving the attention so my last comment.
They're not Charlton fans - Mark Hulyer was a Charlton fan, Simon Jordan was a Palace fan, being a fan doesn't always make you a better owner
I'm happy to trust this board because of what they've achieved so far, when we play Birmingham, when the Aug 31st deadline passes then we'll be able to fairly judge our progress in the transfer window. Remember Kermorgant wasn't signed in July, we started the season without him...
I'm sure,as Rodney said, the large majority of fans are only interested about what's going on at pitch level and assurances that they can carry on following the team they love every week.
I posted along similar lines early on in this thread. So far, these guys have come in, pledged to run our club on sensible, commercial lines & build up our already well respected academy. They brought in and then backed Chris Powell, firstly at the end of his first season & then through the complete overhaul last season.
They seem intent on running a strong business and as much as it may be reassuring to us as supporters to have a fellow fan running the club - because it gives us a belief that they will only ever act in the way we would - for the long-term good of the club as a going concern, I would prefer decision-makers acting mostly with their business heads & not their football hearts.
As I said before, the owners have done what they said, have delivered ahead of schedule and deserve an element of trust.
That's not being complacent. It certainly isn't rose-tinted specs. It's simply a rational view from the sidelines of someone who, like all of us, has no access to the inner workings of the board.
.....but I'd be more likely to cry .
All that stuff about racism is just ridiculous and smacks of someone not having an argument attempting to tenuously link to anything negative they can think of - no wonder they chose to remain anonymous.
At the end of the day, all league clubs need benefactors/investors, or to put it another way, 'rich people' to survive. We are no different.
The phrase 'biting the hand that feeds you' springs to mind for some reason....
and im defo more in the board have done very well 101 points etc etc and said so on here than "its all gone to rats shit"
Agreed. The famous three?
Chris Powell there talking about transfers
The poster quoted by Valley 27000 has to be a WUM (or whatever the expression is).
Absolutely ridiculous to question the Airman. You might disagree with him but there is no doubt that his views come from the best of motives when it comes to matters Charlton.