Is your need to know this greater than CAFC's need to sign players at value for money prices? Nothing can bea s bad as the 3 or 4 years prior to last season of being transparantly desperate.
Valid point and yes I can understand why a club with pot loads of dosh but not wanting to be fleeced might prefer to keep the true wealth quiet but in the real scheme of things this scenario would imply that the selling club puts the price up for richer clubs ? Possibly but a little nieve perhaps. Any player has a value and clubs courting that player know within a little what that is. You enquire and if there is an ounce of sense in your business you pay only what you think that players worth is. If you end up paying more then perhaps it's you're fault for not walking away. Remember selling clubs often want to strike a deal as much as buying clubs. I hope that the above is the reason for all the secrecy but it could just as easily be something that none of
sorry still don't get you, not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing.
I just think many find it difficult to trust a group of people with our club who are shady, incommuncative, evidently not fans of the club, and have a reputation as wheeler dealers, and therefore who's intention is unclear with the future of something we all care deeply about.
That's what this is all about, isn't it?
Most football clubs are like this but success on the pitch counts.
I hate it when the local rags, or worse the club, uses this term when what they mean is Charlton Life. Charlton Life does not represent the views of the entire Charlton support. They actually represent a very small part of it, we have around 10,000 STH and Charlton Life has no more than a couple hundred users. Most are North stand most are office based. This is not the entire fans baseand they should stop pretending they are representative of everyone's views.
If the club or papers want to know what fans think they should actualy ask them all rather than just assume CL has all the answers. The views and opinions expressed here are strictly those of the author. If the author wants your opinion she'll ask for it.
CL clearly has none of the answers. They've done my nut in this summer with the ill-informed opinions and wild speculation.
I've never been interested in what's going on in the boardroom. It amazes me that any football fans are. I'm interested in what happens on the pitch (and the occasional transfer gossip). I don't care if Jimenez is mute. His job is putting money into the club for the board and Chris Powell to spend as wisely as they can. So far they've done a pretty good job. We're back in the Championship and competing for decent players (according to the fairly reliable, despite what you see on CL, Rich Cawley, at the SLP).
Regardless, I cannot wait for Aug 18 to arrive. My only Charlton worry is how hard this division looks.
Is your need to know this greater than CAFC's need to sign players at value for money prices? Nothing can bea s bad as the 3 or 4 years prior to last season of being transparantly desperate.
There was no mention of one thing being more important than the other. A cogent distinction was made by @Draizetrain between customers and supporters and it was, and is, valid.
Self serving - he believes the club exists today because of him and him alone and therefore everyone should congratulate him everytime anything happens at the club. And because he alone got the club out of problems, he alone has the answers to ever other problem that ever arises. The club employ him because for some reason they (they being all subsiquent) management believes it would be detremental to sack him and when they have tries to (and they have tried to) he has threatend lots of shit. I would take his comments with a pinch of salt as they are often based his own personal views. He hated Steve Waggott and therefore put all these rumours around that he was bad for the club and eventually got him out. He has no actual business qualifications (he was a small-time local rag reporter before Charlton) or real experience of anything outside of Charlton but offers his opinion as if he were a football / management / business / finance / customer relations / marketing / retail expert.
I hate it when the local rags, or worse the club, uses this term when what they mean is Charlton Life. Charlton Life does not represent the views of the entire Charlton support. They actually represent a very small part of it, we have around 10,000 STH and Charlton Life has no more than a couple hundred users. Most are North stand most are office based. This is not the entire fans baseand they should stop pretending they are representative of everyone's views.
If the club or papers want to know what fans think they should actualy ask them all rather than just assume CL has all the answers. The views and opinions expressed here are strictly those of the author. If the author wants your opinion she'll ask for it.
CL clearly has none of the answers. They've done my nut in this summer with the ill-informed opinions and wild speculation.
I've never been interested in what's going on in the boardroom. It amazes me that any football fans are. I'm interested in what happens on the pitch (and the occasional transfer gossip). I don't care if Jimenez is mute. His job is putting money into the club for the board and Chris Powell to spend as wisely as they can. So far they've done a pretty good job. We're back in the Championship and competing for decent players (according to the fairly reliable, despite what you see on CL, Rich Cawley, at the SLP).
Regardless, I cannot wait for Aug 18 to arrive. My only Charlton worry is how hard this division looks.
From another CAFC message board.
No more than a couple of hundred users are you joking?
Is your need to know this greater than CAFC's need to sign players at value for money prices? Nothing can bea s bad as the 3 or 4 years prior to last season of being transparantly desperate.
Valid point and yes I can understand why a club with pot loads of dosh but not wanting to be fleeced might prefer to keep the true wealth quiet but in the real scheme of things this scenario would imply that the selling club puts the price up for richer clubs ? Possibly but a little nieve perhaps. Any player has a value and clubs courting that player know within a little what that is. You enquire and if there is an ounce of sense in your business you pay only what you think that players worth is. If you end up paying more then perhaps it's you're fault for not walking away. Remember selling clubs often want to strike a deal as much as buying clubs. I hope that the above is the reason for all the secrecy but it could just as easily be something that none of
Not necessarily - many clubs have to sell and don't always achieve the price they want, but the price they have to take - the clubs we bought from last year tended to be from struggling clubs and it probably makes wrapping this type of deal up significantly easier and quicker if they don't think you have bundles of money. Same with structuring the payments which brings us back to cashflow issues etc!!
not that CL ever claimed to be representative its not its fault if the media use it or a snippet, and anyway as I recall they didn't say the majority of fans etc so frankly (whoever wrote that) is wrong - even tho I slightly agree that the media twist things, it could equally apply to 4 fans in a pub having a chat.
What you do have on CL is a long standing collection of active fans who have been there in the rain to the shith*les, and many that were there when we nearly lost our ground demonstrating and organising and helped get us back to the Valley, and do care passionately about our club.
If they don't represent Charlton fans that would mean that the vast majority of our fans don't care about the club and I refuse to believe that. Were these rumours known by most I believe they would react similarly because they do care about our club and where it goes tomorrow, not just what happens on the pitch today.
PS who is anyone to say who or what does or does not represent Charlton fans anyway?
Self serving - he believes the club exists today because of him and him alone and therefore everyone should congratulate him everytime anything happens at the club. And because he alone got the club out of problems, he alone has the answers to ever other problem that ever arises. The club employ him because for some reason they (they being all subsiquent) management believes it would be detremental to sack him and when they have tries to (and they have tried to) he has threatend lots of shit. I would take his comments with a pinch of salt as they are often based his own personal views. He hated Steve Waggott and therefore put all these rumours around that he was bad for the club and eventually got him out. He has no actual business qualifications (he was a small-time local rag reporter before Charlton) or real experience of anything outside of Charlton but offers his opinion as if he were a football / management / business / finance / customer relations / marketing / retail expert.
I assume that's intended to draw a response. Well, you can rely on me for that. For the record, no one individual was responsible for the club's survival and return to The Valley and certainly others - Martin Simons, Richard Murray, obviously - played a much greater role than me. You can add your own names to that list as you prefer. I don't make any claim other than to have been among those involved as a fan. I think my role is overstated by others from time to time and I tell them so. Seems to me you're the one with the chip on their shoulder, but there's none so brave as the anonymous.
I have never been threatened with the sack by the club, although there's always a first time. I don't hate Steve Waggott or even dislike him; my view - very widely shared at every level of the club then and now - is that he wasn't up to the job.
I have never claimed to have any relevant qualifications other than a passion for CAFC, but having been employed by the club for 14 years by successive regimes I assume they must have seen something in what I do to be worth retaining. The idea that it's because they are scared of me is a bit insulting to them, don't you think?
Self serving - he believes the club exists today because of him and him alone and therefore everyone should congratulate him everytime anything happens at the club. And because he alone got the club out of problems, he alone has the answers to ever other problem that ever arises. The club employ him because for some reason they (they being all subsiquent) management believes it would be detremental to sack him and when they have tries to (and they have tried to) he has threatend lots of shit. I would take his comments with a pinch of salt as they are often based his own personal views. He hated Steve Waggott and therefore put all these rumours around that he was bad for the club and eventually got him out. He has no actual business qualifications (he was a small-time local rag reporter before Charlton) or real experience of anything outside of Charlton but offers his opinion as if he were a football / management / business / finance / customer relations / marketing / retail expert.
I assume that's intended to draw a response. Well, you can rely on me for that. For the record, no one individual was responsible for the club's survival and return to The Valley and certainly others - Martin Simons, Richard Murray, obviously - played a much greater role than me. You can add your own names to that list as you prefer. I don't make any claim other than to have been among those involved as a fan. I think my role is overstated by others from time to time and I tell them so. Seems to me you're the one with the chip on their shoulder, but there's none so brave as the anonymous.
I have never been threatened with the sack by the club, although there's always a first time. I don't hate Steve Waggott or even dislike him; my view - very widely shared at every level of the club then and now - is that he wasn't up to the job.
I have never claimed to have any relevant qualifications other than a passion for CAFC, but having been employed by the club for 14 years by successive regimes I assume they must have seen something in what I do to be worth retaining. The idea that it's because they are scared of me is a bit insulting to them, don't you think?
Blimey Airman, they really enjoyed working with you !!
That person also posts on here under another name.
As to whether TJ is a football man - well, I can only go on the evidence so far, in that he has played a prominent role in our most successful season for yonks. I think that we should maybe give the fella the benefit of the doubt. However, like everyone else, I have my fingers crossed that we won't see a disgruntled CP and that both individuals work together rather than being in competition to influence day to day squad matters as however it worked last season, it definitely worked.
As for the shareholding changes, could it be as simple as TJ buying out the share of a backer who has pulled out by borrowing money from another? It may be that the extra dosh covers the day to day running of the club for the season but leaves little else for extra squad investment. Unless we see more inward movement into the squad in the next few weeks, then I suspect that this may well be the most likely scenario.
Another thing, I am a bit confused as to why MS would still be about if, as we suspect, he is a representative for a certain wealthy individual who may have pulled out of the club and taken his dosh with him. That wouldn't add up to me....confusing isn't the word!
I think the only thing to be done is to try and stay positive, give the management and board our support and see what happens.
bigstemarra may be onto something here. Possibly as the new season budget comes in during June, the existing directors have to cough up the cash in proportion to their holding. Newell and one other, representing 20% (not to be sniffed at) decide to to walk away, the others do not want to write their cheque until the issue is resolved so there is a temporary cash flow problem which filters down to employees together with tales of boardroom dissent. The two are paid off, shares reallocated, the Mysterons put in their share enabling us to pay bills and buy two players. KC did not walk, and may still be the money behind TJ and MS. Just as plausible as the meltdown scenario played out by some on here. Do we have any eveidence that it was the major player who walked?
Self serving - he believes the club exists today because of him and him alone and therefore everyone should congratulate him everytime anything happens at the club. And because he alone got the club out of problems, he alone has the answers to ever other problem that ever arises. The club employ him because for some reason they (they being all subsiquent) management believes it would be detremental to sack him and when they have tries to (and they have tried to) he has threatend lots of shit. I would take his comments with a pinch of salt as they are often based his own personal views. He hated Steve Waggott and therefore put all these rumours around that he was bad for the club and eventually got him out. He has no actual business qualifications (he was a small-time local rag reporter before Charlton) or real experience of anything outside of Charlton but offers his opinion as if he were a football / management / business / finance / customer relations / marketing / retail expert.
I assume that's intended to draw a response. Well, you can rely on me for that.
Self serving - he believes the club exists today because of him and him alone and therefore everyone should congratulate him everytime anything happens at the club. And because he alone got the club out of problems, he alone has the answers to ever other problem that ever arises. The club employ him because for some reason they (they being all subsiquent) management believes it would be detremental to sack him and when they have tries to (and they have tried to) he has threatend lots of shit. I would take his comments with a pinch of salt as they are often based his own personal views. He hated Steve Waggott and therefore put all these rumours around that he was bad for the club and eventually got him out. He has no actual business qualifications (he was a small-time local rag reporter before Charlton) or real experience of anything outside of Charlton but offers his opinion as if he were a football / management / business / finance / customer relations / marketing / retail expert.
I assume that's intended to draw a response. Well, you can rely on me for that.
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Only on Charlton Life..
I hate it when the local rags, or worse the club, uses this term when what they mean is Charlton Life. Charlton Life does not represent the views of the entire Charlton support. They actually represent a very small part of it, we have around 10,000 STH and Charlton Life has no more than a couple hundred users. Most are North stand most are office based. This is not the entire fans baseand they should stop pretending they are representative of everyone's views.
If the club or papers want to know what fans think they should actualy ask them all rather than just assume CL has all the answers.
The views and opinions expressed here are strictly those of the author. If the author wants your opinion she'll ask for it.
CL clearly has none of the answers. They've done my nut in this summer with the ill-informed opinions and wild speculation.
I've never been interested in what's going on in the boardroom. It amazes me that any football fans are. I'm interested in what happens on the pitch (and the occasional transfer gossip). I don't care if Jimenez is mute. His job is putting money into the club for the board and Chris Powell to spend as wisely as they can. So far they've done a pretty good job. We're back in the Championship and competing for decent players (according to the fairly reliable, despite what you see on CL, Rich Cawley, at the SLP).
Regardless, I cannot wait for Aug 18 to arrive. My only Charlton worry is how hard this division looks.
From another CAFC message board.
The club employ him because for some reason they (they being all subsiquent) management believes it would be detremental to sack him and when they have tries to (and they have tried to) he has threatend lots of shit.
I would take his comments with a pinch of salt as they are often based his own personal views. He hated Steve Waggott and therefore put all these rumours around that he was bad for the club and eventually got him out. He has no actual business qualifications (he was a small-time local rag reporter before Charlton) or real experience of anything outside of Charlton but offers his opinion as if he were a football / management / business / finance / customer relations / marketing / retail expert.
Another message board.
What you do have on CL is a long standing collection of active fans who have been there in the rain to the shith*les, and many that were there when we nearly lost our ground demonstrating and organising and helped get us back to the Valley, and do care passionately about our club.
If they don't represent Charlton fans that would mean that the vast majority of our fans don't care about the club and I refuse to believe that. Were these rumours known by most I believe they would react similarly because they do care about our club and where it goes tomorrow, not just what happens on the pitch today.
PS who is anyone to say who or what does or does not represent Charlton fans anyway?
I have never been threatened with the sack by the club, although there's always a first time. I don't hate Steve Waggott or even dislike him; my view - very widely shared at every level of the club then and now - is that he wasn't up to the job.
I have never claimed to have any relevant qualifications other than a passion for CAFC, but having been employed by the club for 14 years by successive regimes I assume they must have seen something in what I do to be worth retaining. The idea that it's because they are scared of me is a bit insulting to them, don't you think?
That person also posts on here under another name.
is that a quote through the gag?