All of this makes me wonder whether Prothero is a red herring here, in that he's not really a replacement for PV but instead has been brought in for the short term to try and help bring in new investment to the club through his extensive contacts in the sporting world, and will bugger off with his 5% or whatever in his back pocket once secured.
Slater's statement at the start of this thread is looking more and more Iraqi Information Minister by the minute, it does sound like he'll be on his way shortly too if Cash has gone... which would leave who, TJ as the main man? I suspect TJ may try and cynically push RM back to the centre stage as he knows the fans have a level of trust that they wouldn't have with himself.
With regards to what we can do as fans, the supporters trust sounds great but isn't going to aid with the immediate term problems due to the time it will take to set up properly. The worst thing we can do is rush a trust together without the proper structure or thought out goals. Maybe two groups are needed (sharing the same people) - a short term one focussed on immediate action and with the goal of helping the club somehow during this initial period, and a second one planning the long term goals and objectives of the trust - the idea being the first group would cease to exist once the trust is in place. The reason I suggest separating the two groups is purely so that the proper consideration can be given to the long term role of the trust without being sidetracked by what to do RIGHT NOW (which is what will inevitably be the main question a lot of attendees to meetings will want to discuss otherwise). Maybe the two working groups are identical but personally I think some kind of clear division between "right now" and "doing it right" is important.
For Beds and others calling for a summary of what has been said by Airman Brown and others on here.
There is a problem. A serious problem. It is not guess work or speculation. It is real.
Promised funding isn't going to arrive. Kevin Cash has pulled the plug. As we run at a loss we need that money to operate as a business.
Some money came in last week to cover some urgent bills and this lead many to believe that the problem had been resolved. But that was not enough money to clear all the debts, some of which date back to March, and no more is expected from Kevin Cash.
Cash no longer wishes to fund our deficit year on year and has said no more.
Jiminez hopes to find other buyers for Cash's share of the business ASAP. We don't know if that is either likely or possible but the presence of TJ himself and that he may wish to return a high percentage of the shares may be a stumbling block in negotiations.
Unless other sources of funding, which can only be new backers or selling and not replacing players, are found we will struggle to complete the season.
Not compete this season, complete the season
So it is no longer just no new players but sell, and not replace, some of the current squad to cover running costs. But that will not please Powell who is unlikely to agree a sale without a replacement. No one on here knows his mind but CP is an attractive commodity and he would have no trouble finding another Club if he left. CP is also unhappy with interference from TJ in team matters.
And if neither player sale or new sources of investment can raise enough money then its Admin because either one of our unpaid suppliers or one of the owners will apply for a winding up order. That will force the Club to ask for Administration to protect itself.
The rumours of Jiminez taking money out of the Club to pay other debts are not based on anything said by Rick/Airman or anyone on here and should be treated with great caution. However TJs general conduct in regard to managing CP has been questioned.
Hopes that the Club would break even in the Championship were based on 1. Higher TV income. That was reduced by £1m this season. 2. Wage bills as they stood at the time but we now have a substantially bigger/more expensive squad and many more back room staff. These staff and players were recruited on the assumption that the deficit over the season would be covered by Kevin Cash.
So the problem has been caused, IMHO, by Cash pulling out. It is not sure why he has done this. Most likely would seem to be that Cash was mislead over just how much he would be expected to pay and has decided he no longer wishes to do so.
Peter Varney being asked to leave was a symptom of these problems.
That's what read from what Rick/Airman is saying (and he can tell me if I've got it wrong) and what the Famous five have been getting at for a couple of weeks.
Thanks for the summary Henry, I personally needed that to put all of the thousands of other posts into some context.
...imo this site is the best bar none and it should be a place were all addicks can come and find out what is potentially happening at CAFC , it is also a good place for us all to communicate the next best possible outcome and start to organise ourselves in a proper manor.... So lets get positive and focus our minds and anger in the right direction , But what ever happens and what ever way it pans out if we get new ownership then lets make sure we are in a strong enough postition to be heard and hear early exactly who owns us and their intentions
I guess we'd all agree with you about this site being the best NLA, that's why we spend so much time here. I haven't looked at any other Charlton sites in ages; does anybody know what are the others saying about this? Also, if we really want to organise ourselves in a proper manner, shouldn't we be doing something (though what exactly I'm not sure) to raise the discussion on other boards and try to work in tandem with them?
...imo this site is the best bar none and it should be a place were all addicks can come and find out what is potentially happening at CAFC , it is also a good place for us all to communicate the next best possible outcome and start to organise ourselves in a proper manor.... So lets get positive and focus our minds and anger in the right direction , But what ever happens and what ever way it pans out if we get new ownership then lets make sure we are in a strong enough postition to be heard and hear early exactly who owns us and their intentions
I guess we'd all agree with you about this site being the best NLA, that's why we spend so much time here. I haven't looked at any other Charlton sites in ages; does anybody know what are the others saying about this? Also, if we really want to organise ourselves in a proper manner, shouldn't we be doing something (though what exactly I'm not sure) to raise the discussion on other boards and try to work in tandem with them?
Not 606 are in denial big time.If anyone posts anything, other than everything in the garden is lovely,they get shouted down.
slater should come out with a proper statement not all the shite he came out with on friday the people, running the club are making a complete and utter mockery of everything ,the fans used to have a great relationship with the board but nowadays they dont give a shit .
i agree all other fourms should unite tbh, all personal differences put to one side remember that there is one common goal, then the bickering and banter can restart,
having fractions doing individual things is not helpful when one common aim and team is stronger
I missed out on this thread taking off again yesterday and logged on to 304 new posts. I just knew that this wasn't good and boy was I right. Hard to stand by and watch events unfold but not sure that a call for action can at this point achieve very much. Too many unknowns at the moment and I think until we get more detail I really don't know what our aims are. Seems EWK is the focus but apart from educated guesses we still don't know the exact problem of why the money has gone. Fairly obvious given Airmans stark warning that things are coming to a head and I think we should all be able to see things a little better once the money players start making their moves. Very disappointed and worried.
what amazes me is how can things get so bad after the season we have just had, the people upstairs want to be ashamed it makes me so angry they seem to be playing poxy games with the club we all love,for a start if things are bad why dont we get a honest statement form those above then we can all pull together the board seem to be distancing themselves from us fans ,and another thing we are all missing is the players how must they feel going into a new season its a complete load of shite.
In his (excellent) summary, Henry said that KC has pulled the plug on the club.
I thought you suggested in one of your earlier posts that you have information that it's more the case that KC has pulled the plug on TJ, and that KC would resume funding if TJ leaves the club (which would presumably involve him selling his stake).
Is that correct, or have I misunderstood? Sorry if we're going round in circles.
<<blockquote rel="nth london addick">i agree all other fourms should unite tbh, all personal differences put to one side remember that there is one common goal, then the bickering and banter can restart,
having fractions doing individual things is not helpful when one common aim and team is stronger
Didn't Powell say he wanted signings on board by the time of the Welling game? Seeing as he seemed to get all his wishes granted last year, surely if there are no signings this week we will be much closer to knowing what financial and structural situation we are really in?
With all this doom and gloom who would want to join us - we are our worst enemy here, full stop.
NLA, if there's a egroup of customers worrying about the stability of their company, would you as a potential employee, jack in your job and join them? All this is making SCP job a whole sight harder in attracting new players, no surprises we have apparently lost on a few and haven't signed anyone. Member only threads doesn't protect the nature as anyone could sign up to be a member, if I had an offer, I'd do my research, coming across this site would be a massive no-no to the question of signing a contract with CAFC:-( that's my concern that our human nature is dragging the club down for the right or wring reasons...
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Mate honestly be careful I would assume its in jest but we do need to be sensible in what we post if we are serious about looking at what we can do
They seem to be expanding. The scaremongering seven, the insightful eight, the in the know nine : = )
Only joking!
plus there is a place for puns and this isnt it, what if the pun police are watching/reading!
Slater's statement at the start of this thread is looking more and more Iraqi Information Minister by the minute, it does sound like he'll be on his way shortly too if Cash has gone... which would leave who, TJ as the main man? I suspect TJ may try and cynically push RM back to the centre stage as he knows the fans have a level of trust that they wouldn't have with himself.
With regards to what we can do as fans, the supporters trust sounds great but isn't going to aid with the immediate term problems due to the time it will take to set up properly. The worst thing we can do is rush a trust together without the proper structure or thought out goals. Maybe two groups are needed (sharing the same people) - a short term one focussed on immediate action and with the goal of helping the club somehow during this initial period, and a second one planning the long term goals and objectives of the trust - the idea being the first group would cease to exist once the trust is in place. The reason I suggest separating the two groups is purely so that the proper consideration can be given to the long term role of the trust without being sidetracked by what to do RIGHT NOW (which is what will inevitably be the main question a lot of attendees to meetings will want to discuss otherwise). Maybe the two working groups are identical but personally I think some kind of clear division between "right now" and "doing it right" is important.
having fractions doing individual things is not helpful when one common aim and team is stronger
In his (excellent) summary, Henry said that KC has pulled the plug on the club.
I thought you suggested in one of your earlier posts that you have information that it's more the case that KC has pulled the plug on TJ, and that KC would resume funding if TJ leaves the club (which would presumably involve him selling his stake).
Is that correct, or have I misunderstood? Sorry if we're going round in circles.
having fractions doing individual things is not helpful when one common aim and team is stronger
Agree NLA.
We can draw inspiration from this ;-)